Transgenderism is a serious mental health problem and the Left are trying normalize it. These people need help, but instead are being told they are perfectly normal. This needs to stop.
Says the man who dresses as a woman…
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Transgenderism is a serious mental health problem and the Left are trying normalize it. These people need help, but instead are being told they are perfectly normal. This needs to stop.
That talking point certainly worked for Tim Walz, so I hope they keep it up.
The asylum is being run by the insane patients.
Matthew 7:12
In everything, then, do to others as you would have them do to you. For this is the essence of the Law and the Prophets.
Iowa is in the process of removing trans people as a protected class, which means they can be fired, denied housing, denied service or otherwise discriminated against simply for being trans or suspected of being trans. This would make Iowa the first but certainly not the last state to pass such a statute.
This lawmaker's message addresses the hypocrisy of people who tout their Christian morals while discriminating against trans people rather effectively.
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"Weird and Bizarre".... take a look in the mirror...
We are trying to point out their mental illness just as I would expect them to do for us. Is Mister McBride going to get his prostate checked when the time comes or just be in denial?
Nah..."He" will get a pelvic exam and a pap smear.
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We can go on for awhile quoting scripture. Are we supposed to just close our eyes or stick our head in the sand rather than confronting sin? I heard a preacher years ago say that the most dangerous word in the English language was tolerance and thus is exactly where we are in todays society.
Matthew 18:15-17
New International Version
Dealing With Sin in the Church
15 “If your brother or sister[a] sins,[b] go and point out their fault, just between the two of you. If they listen to you, you have won them over. 16 But if they will not listen, take one or two others along, so that ‘every matter may be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.’[c] 17 If they still refuse to listen, tell it to the church; and if they refuse to listen even to the church, treat them as you would a pagan or a tax collector.
They have the same rights as you or me. It’s just the fantasy is not being supported.
Christian values are never to condone sin. Christ died for our sins because he would not condone sin.
Christ forgave with the condition to sin no more, he never said continue to sin against God’s commandments or what God stated as sin.
I, as a Christian, love other people. But while I can’t forgive their sin in the eyes of God, I cannot agree with their sin. A man has a right to sin and die in that sin. A Christian is not called to condone sin and agree with it.
Our first commandment is to Honor the Lord our God. Sin does not honor Him. A repentive heart does.
Sadly, so many including some believers, think that by calling out the sin that we somehow are judging or not showing the love of Christ. In reality we are showing the love of Christ because we care about their souls and salvation by wanting them to repent and turn from their sin,
Is that what it means or does mean that they are not unfireable any longer just because they were over protected for being trans? I mean should anyone be protected from being fired due to gender?
The history of the Bible being used to justify discrimination is almost as long as the history of the Bible itself.
Just in our short (relatively speaking) history, examples include:
- Slavery - Ephisians6:5, Genesis 9:25-27
- Jim Crow Laws - Acts 17:26
- Interracial Marriage - Deuteronomy 7:3
- Female Subjugation - 1 Tomothy 2:12
- LGBTQ Discrimination - Leviticus 18:12
- Prohibition - Proverbs 20:1
- Forced Sterilization - Exodus 20:5
So, I really don't care which bible passages you want to cherry-pick to support discrimination. It's no different than the arguments listed above, which were as morally wrong at the time as this argument is now.
Hey Mr McBride, culture war issues? I think it was the DEMORATS that started the DEI initiatives and programs…lol
Talk about cherry picking.
Ephesians 6:5 instructs "bondservants" (or slaves) to obey their earthly masters with respect and sincerity, just as they would obey Christ, not merely to please them, but as servants of Christ, doing God's will from the heart.
Do you understand the biblical context of a “bond servant” and what this scripture is actually instructing us as believers? It has nothing to do with approval of slavery but how we should obey Christ.
Your explanation doesn't change the fact that specific passages in the Bible were used as one of, if not the, primary source of moral justification for slavery, and not just in the US.
The ‘Curse of Ham’: how people of faith used a story in Genesis to justify slavery
For nearly 500 years, priests and imams justified slavery on the basis of a misunderstood passage of the Bible.
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Hate the sin, not the sinner is what my Christian momma says.
Here's my take. I can call you Mr, Mrs, Ms, They....whatever. I won't care. Here is what you want from me that I won't do. I won't point this person out to my son and say "Look how courageous they are. I hope you gain their courage." *(replace courage with anything - i.e. graceful, strong).
Live your life. Don't belly ache about your choices if you have a few haters. Never tell me how I'm supposed to think of feel. Do that and I'll leave you alone.
Here's my take. I can call you Mr, Mrs, Ms, They....whatever. I won't care. Here is what you want from me that I won't do. I won't point this person out to my son and say "Look how courageous they are. I hope you gain their courage." *(replace courage with anything - i.e. graceful, strong).
Live your life. Don't belly ache about your choices if you have a few haters. Never tell me how I'm supposed to think of feel. Do that and I'll leave you alone.
When people justify their actions using scripture, it is usually based on 1) lack of knowledge, or 2) convenient deletion.
In Ephesians, you left out the completion of 6:5 by ignoring verse 6:
6 Not with eyeservice, as menpleasers; but as the servants of Christ, doing the will of God from the heart;
In this scripture, the importance of service and worship to God is stressed, with your personal situation of less importance. Whatever you are, do your best to honor God in it.
Genesis9:25-27
You leave out 21-24, which explains Noah’s anger and why he cursed Canaan.
21 And he drank of the wine, and was drunken; and he was uncovered within his tent.
22 And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father, and told his two brethren without.
23 And Shem and Japheth took a garment, and laid it upon both their shoulders, and went backward, and covered the nakedness of their father; and their faces were backward, and they saw not their father's nakedness.
24 And Noah awoke from his wine, and knew what his younger son had done unto him
Noah cursed Caanan’s dependents. Canaan never was a slave. His decendents were conquered by decendents of Shem later in history during acts of war.
Acts 17:26
Again, the foolish key on a word that has no reference to Jim Crow laws.
Acts 17:26 means that God created all nations from one man (referring to Adam), and determined their dwelling places and times on earth. As he also knows us before we are conceived and knows every hair on our head.
God is the sovereign creator of all people and nations, and that everyone has the potential to seek and find Him regardless of their origin or location; this verse is often used to emphasize the universality of God's love and message to all people.
God is there at all times and all places regardless of our situation. Their are no boundaries with him, only boundaries we place on ourselves by making ourselves more important than him.
More later. I will comment on each verse you mentioned.
PW, save yourself the time.
In every example I provided, the Bible was used to justify what we now consider to be some truly loathsome and evil actions. You can claim that the actual intent of the Bible was misapplied to justify slavery, and outlawing interracial marriage, and systemic discrimination, and forced sterilization, but that doesn’t change the history that the Bible was used to justify those actions. It’s history.
So is your argument that our (your) current interpretation of the Bible has finally gotten it just right, and while clearly slavery and all the other things I listed are wrong and evil, refusing to address a trans congressman by her chosen gender (which is also the gender she was elected as) is just the right level of discrimination and in keeping with the teachings of Christ?
We won’t ever agree on this topic, and the more scripture you quote the more you prove my point.
Cheers.
To continue the conversation.
Man, left to his own devices, will sin. In that sin, man will defile himself and others.
The Bible was not written for man to find ways to sin, nor to justify sin. Gods Word was written for us to learn our relationship with Him, placing Him first and foremost of importance.
It was written as a reminder. It is not a rule book in which to keep positive or negative scores.
God’s Word, when man attempts to manipulate life, is an abomination. We were created to worship Him, not worship our desires. And that is where it breaks down.
To continue on….
1 Timothy 2:12
The point of that scripture comes from the point of original sin.
Who did Satan approach to bring sin into the garden? In the instinct of procreation, the desire of man for the woman, male to female, was placed in all creation.
The sin of sexual desire outside that of ordained obedience was wrong. With that instinctual desire planted in the human mind, God gave authority to man, who he created first. This was ordained by God for the purpose of order.
The purpose of man and woman isn’t powerful or authority on earth, but to better serve God.
Scripture emphasizes that men should love their wives as Christ loved the church, showing care, respect, and devotion, while wives are encouraged to respect their husbands.
Here's a more detailed explanation:
Love and Sacrifice:
The Bible instructs husbands to love their wives selflessly and unconditionally, mirroring Christ's love for the church. Ephesians 5:25 states, "Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her".
Respect and Reverence:
While husbands are called to love, wives are encouraged to respect their husbands, as seen in Ephesians 5:33, which says, "However, each one of you also must love his wife as he loves himself, and the wife must respect her husband.
The issues the world has with God’s direction is involved in the sin of pride and vanity.
Leviticus 18:12
This scripture speaks of incest. Not sure how this scripture is used for LBTQ purposes. Maybe you just copied what you were told.
If you want to get into LBTQ stuff, look at:
Again, it is pretty clear
Leviticus 18:22
"Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable."
Romans 1:26-27
"Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error."
Interesting the use of “natural” vs “unnatural”
- 1 Corinthians 6:9-10
"Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God."
On this theme, Christ forgave the sinner, but did not condone it. And commanded to sin no more.
The point again isn’t what we want, but what God desires of us. Or we die a brutal eternity.
Proverbs 20:1
Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise
Again, has nothing to do with prohibition. In that time, wine was normal.
The drunkenness of wine is the sin.
Exodus 20:5
Not sure how forced sterilization is taken from that.
Need to explain that one.
Food day sir. Have a good weekend.
Man makes the decisions to do wrong and looks for justification.
The problem isn’t God or scripture, it’s man’s sin.
AI-aided response.
The Bible has been used in various ways to justify forced sterilization, particularly within the context of eugenics movements in the 19th and 20th centuries. Below are key historical examples of how religious rhetoric, including biblical justification, was used to support sterilization programs:
### **1. Biblical Justifications for Eugenics and Forced Sterilization**
During the late 19th and early 20th centuries, eugenics movements in the U.S. and Europe sought to control reproduction to "improve" the human race. Many proponents, including religious leaders, used biblical passages to argue for sterilization of those deemed "unfit."
- **Genesis 1:28 ("Be fruitful and multiply")—Twisted for Selective Reproduction**
While this passage encourages procreation, eugenicists argued that it applied only to "worthy" individuals. They claimed those with disabilities, mental illnesses, or criminal tendencies should not multiply.
- **Leviticus 21:17-23—Exclusion of the "Unclean" from the Priesthood**
Some used this passage, which prohibits physically deformed or disabled individuals from serving as priests, to argue that "genetic inferiority" was biblical and should be prevented through sterilization.
- **Matthew 25:14-30 (Parable of the Talents)—A Justification for "God-Given Responsibility"**
Some Protestant leaders interpreted this parable to suggest that humans must be responsible stewards of their genetic inheritance, preventing the "unfit" from reproducing.
### **2. U.S. Eugenics and the Bible**
In the early 1900s, the U.S. embraced eugenics policies, leading to the forced sterilization of tens of thousands of people. Many Protestant ministers and theologians supported these efforts, using biblical reasoning.
- **Religious Backing for State Sterilization Laws**
- In the 1920s and 1930s, states passed sterilization laws targeting people deemed "feebleminded," poor, disabled, or of certain racial backgrounds.
- Some clergy members supported these laws, arguing that sterilization fulfilled God's plan by preventing the birth of "sinful" or "degenerate" individuals.
- **Case of Carrie Buck (Buck v. Bell, 1927)**
- The Supreme Court upheld Virginia’s sterilization law, with Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes writing, "Three generations of imbeciles are enough."
- Some religious figures defended the ruling using biblical concepts of purity and divine will.
### **3. Nazi Germany and Biblical Justifications**
The Nazis implemented widespread forced sterilization policies, citing both science and religious reasoning.
- **Lutheran and Catholic Support for Eugenics**
- Some Protestant and Catholic leaders in Germany argued that sterilization aligned with divine law and natural order.
- The Nazi regime used biblical references about "cleansing" and "purifying" to justify their sterilization of people with disabilities.
### **4. Mid-to-Late 20th Century: Biblical Justifications for Sterilization of Indigenous and Minority Groups**
- In the U.S., forced sterilization programs continued into the 1970s, particularly targeting Black, Indigenous, and Puerto Rican women.
- Some religious groups justified these programs by portraying sterilization as a moral duty to prevent "welfare dependency" and "social decay," referencing scriptures about personal responsibility and divine order.
### **Conclusion**
Throughout history, various biblical passages were misused to justify forced sterilization, often within the broader framework of eugenics and racial purity. These interpretations ignored the Bible’s broader themes of justice and compassion, instead weaponizing scripture for oppressive policies.
You might not care, but I’m praying for you.
Yep, I agree. Man is an evil creature
Free will. It’s caused quite a few conundrums over time eh?
What about the left they are just as guilty on discrimination. The so called white supremists and the hate for the white male. This isn’t white supremists it’s white majority and the minority hates the truth.
In each case you illustrated, who is at fault?
Man will use any means available to justify what he wants to do.
Man’s interpretations ignored more than broader themes, it ignored the point. The Bible was not written for the sake of compassion and justice, it was written for the sake of our relationship with God.
Man keeps making it about himself.
Pardon me will. In reading your post again, let me just say that what you posted is a lie.
Of course they can be fired. An why should they be allowed protected class?
No rule that your delusions should be accepted.
First of all, I didn’t say you lied. I said what you posted was a lie. You are not a liar, you have an opinion.
“Iowa is in the process of removing trans people as a protected class, which means they can be fired, denied housing, denied service or otherwise discriminated against simply for being trans or suspected of being trans”
That is a lie. The idea that a protected class of people cannot be legally treated the same as any other citizen is a lie. The lie is in the need for protected status.
We do not have a caste system. We also cannot realistically control peoples opinions such as the demand to approve of a mental illness such as gender dysphoria. You can’t apply protected class status to sexual preference.
When they get locked in a pod at the jail you have to be male or female; it is amazing to watch the quick sex shift that can take place sometimes. And then of course there are the sick MF's that want to be abused.
You’re correct they should be treated like any other citizen. Insane people should be committed to an institution. Then they can get their protection.
I think you are misinformed.
Gender, sexual orientation, race, age, disability, religion and family status are all categories that are protected classes in many places.
Just as you can’t fire someone for being a woman, or Muslim, or pregnant, or old, you can’t fire someone because they are trans. But you will soon be able to fire someone for being trans in Iowa.
You seem to think that’s a great thing.
Have you ever met a trans person, or spoken with them about their life or experiences? Have you bothered to read the multitude of scientific studies regarding trans people and the effects of gender dysphoria?
I’m curious. I assume given you feel that being trans is a mental illness, you feel the same about gay people. That leads me to believe you think that it should be entirely legal to discriminate against gay people as well.
Does it stop there? Or are their more behaviors that you believe are aberrant enough to warrant legal discrimination?
NEJM recognizes gender dysphoria is classified as a mental health condition in the DSM-5 (Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, Fifth Edition).
What's your point?
I don’t think you should be allowed to discriminate against anyone in regards to sex, religion………
The fact that there are only two distinct sexes, male and female does not mean that there should be legal discrimination in any form.
A business owner should have the privilege to hire anyone he chooses without cohersion. To force a business to hire someone with a mental illness is wrong.
The issue of discrimination, in many cases, is self inflicted and that cannot be protected. A man or woman with gender dysphoria that is demanding respect shows a complete lack of awareness of physical and mental clarity.
The sexual perversion of the gay lifestyle is a sin. In life, sin is determined and acted on by the sinner. Mistakes aren’t sin. So the individual acts out on the perversion or sinful act. I have had and currently have numerous gay friends, acquaintances and business associates.
I have openly protected gay friends in the face of discrimination. Their lifestyle is their choice.
But never have I had one ask me for approval of that lifestyle, just as I haven’t asked anyone for approval of mine. The only approval I seek is that of God. In that, my attempt is to treat people as I would want to be treated and do right in my honor and praise to God.
The trans issue is more than a perversion in choice, it is a perversion in manipulating artificially, the very being of a human. And it is marketed and sold.
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