Sounds like you've let your political biases warp your sense of reality if you alwasy think you're the smartest person in the room.
Slava Ukraini!
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I don’t want to have a “Internet debate“. Because I’m simply not interested. However, the idea that Ukraine is full of Nazis or neo-Nazis is hilarious.
As a general rule, if Vladimir Putin says it, it is untrue.
Even if Ukraine had some large population of neo-Nazis, larger than the United States?, That’s absolutely no justification for blowing up hospitals and schools and setting tanks to invade into a foreign country.
I'm not the smartest person but how many times are we going to giving the benefit of the doubt to authority figures proven wrong & deceptive months/years later who keep us in the dark & gaslight us?
And don't forget kidnapping thousands of children and sending them back to Russia for God knows what fate. That last fact alone should convince GOP to back Ukraine aid.
The US war machine? Funneling money?
I can always tell who gets most of their information about the world from social media and crazy YouTube videos
Just like Zelensky banned orthodox church services in Ukraine. Yes he's the champion of christian values too
I was stationed in West Germany during the cold war with a Pershing Missile Brigade. I know plenty about Russian military doctrine and tactics.
I've no doubt they will sacrifice bodies for gain but they also just raised their conscription age to 30. If they want to kill off all their youth to take Ukraine then let the Ukrainians kill as many as they can. They're using WWII tactics to fight a 21st Century war. If they were any good at conventional combined arms warfare they would have overrun Ukraine a long time ago but they pretty much suck at it That's why Putin and his lackeys keep rattling that nuclear weapons chain. He's not nuking anything. He's just trying to stir the pot to get Ukraine for free.
I don't come over here much and when I do I remember why, It's a pointless circle jerk.
Zero dollars for US border?!?!? Reckon Ukraine’s is more important!
You mean the Russian Orthdox Church which is lead by Patriarch Kirill who himself is a very close Putin ally and constantly spreads Russian propaganda...that Russian Orthdox Church.
"His speeches frequently call for prayers for Russian authorities and military success, underscoring President Putin's central role in this perceived historic struggle. On September 12, 2022 Kirill focused on Putin's leadership: "Our special prayer is for the head of our state, the Supreme Commander-in-Chief Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin, who bears a special responsibility, as well as for all military leaders and those in power."
Why would Zelensky and Ukraine allow a religious organization that's advocating for the country that's invading them...that's crazy.
From pulpit to propaganda machine: tracing the Russian Orthodox Church’s role in Putin’s war
Thank you. It's crazy people don't want to belive Putin when he's telegraphed his every intention for a new form of the USSR.
There was a bill that gave billions to the border but the GOP turned it down.
He explained that about Ukraine. He didn’t want to according to him. Felt like he had no choice with nato coming to them. You know this. You are just defending your position.
Sometimes it is too late sure. But intelligence stops things frim happening all the time before it actually happens. With actual true intel, instead of wild fear speculation. Like that article. More often than not. You should know this as well in your line of work. You are too committed to the spin.
You called them an ally in this earlier. Which is not true at all. Not historically. Only when Biden needs his ass covered. You damn sure know that.
I don’t deny he wants to make the ussr whole again. But doing that would be a catastrophe for them. They aren’t equipped to do it. And hold it. People think he will go to France or Poland next. That is the fear. Not the ussr possibility. That has always been the case with the old ussr. It isn’t new info.
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can you imagine if the US banned all muslim mosque services nationwide during the GWOT because some Imams were preaching jihad (which many were)?You mean the Russian Orthdox Church which is lead by Patriarch Kirill who himself is a very close Putin ally and constantly spreads Russian propaganda...that Russian Orthdox Church.
"His speeches frequently call for prayers for Russian authorities and military success, underscoring President Putin's central role in this perceived historic struggle. On September 12, 2022 Kirill focused on Putin's leadership: "Our special prayer is for the head of our state, the Supreme Commander-in-Chief Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin, who bears a special responsibility, as well as for all military leaders and those in power."
Why would Zelensky and Ukraine allow a religious organization that's advocating for the country that's invading them...that's crazy.
From pulpit to propaganda machine: tracing the Russian Orthodox Church’s role in Putin’s war
reutersinstitute.politics.ox.ac.uk
you mean the "border protection bill" where only a small % of funding went to protect the border the current regime made porous and a huge portion went to Ukraine, Israel, and Palestine humanitarian efforts. yea the nerve of them. it was a border bill in name only designed to pass a much more robust war effort spending plan
I never said Russia would win quickly. Don't make untrue statements about me in order to bolster your belief.
Russia will not lose, and if this turns into total war, like WWII, Russia would quickly overwhelm Ukraine. With that said, we may later expel them. But Ukraine cannot stop Russia if Russia decides it has no other option but to engage in total war. Putin is bleeding Ukraine and diverting our attention and resources, all to China's glee.
Tell that to the Palestinian woman I know & the millions who consider themselves such. It's also officially recognized as a nation state by the UN
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That rational by Putin holds no water when he invaded Crimea in 2014...what was his rational then? I'm not just defending my position, this is what all of our NATO allies and Europe has been saying....but no we should believe Putin who blew up apartment buildings of his fellow Russians as a Red Flag Op to invade Chechniya.
'Capable of anything': How the '99 apartment bombings explain Putin's rise and regime
The Russian apartment bombings, some believe, hold a key to President Vladimir Putin's views on power and the use of force — while also serving as the most consequential moment in his relentless rise.
We damn near tried to, have you guys forgotten the civil liberties violations during the GWOT already?
Yea it's called the Patriot Act & it continues to hurt American liberties under the guise of national defense.
America never came close to banning nationwide mosque attendance during any part of the GWOT
If there were a head of the Muslim religion in America and they were the size and influence of the Russian Orthdox Church in Ukraine we absolutely would. If the pope called for all catholics in America to rise up in violent protest to over throw the governement you really think we wouldn't do anything about that?
In any case this is a pointless debate because the aid is going through, Johnson did the right thing and Ukraine continues to get the necessary aid for them to defend themselves
As long as Ukraine got another installment of $60 billion or whatever the amount is. I'm sure they'll come begging for another $50 before November (in fact I have no doubt).
Who cares about our childrens future & future generations of Americans? It's just debt after all. It's not real
This may be relevant.
Ukraine is defending itself from a brutal, unprovoked attack that has included a multitude of war crimes, attacks on civilians and the kidnapping and removal of thousands of children to Russia.
Suggesting that we are somehow sparing the Ukrainian people harm by withholding the aid they need to defend themselves is truly twisted logic that only makes sense if you fully commit to the entire Russian propaganda narrative regarding the invasion and the war.
The predictions by the left was that brandons sanctions would end the war in ukraines favor in 90 days. We're waiting.
Again. You and I are also capable of anything. lol. That article is capable of being true. It is also capable of being untrue. Which is the same as every single word you have posted. The word capable to describe any article is admitting you really have no clue.That rational by Putin holds no water when he invaded Crimea in 2014...what was his rational then? I'm not just defending my position, this is what all of our NATO allies and Europe has been saying....but no we should believe Putin who blew up apartment buildings of his fellow Russians as a Red Flag Op to invade Chechniya.
'Capable of anything': How the '99 apartment bombings explain Putin's rise and regime
The Russian apartment bombings, some believe, hold a key to President Vladimir Putin's views on power and the use of force — while also serving as the most consequential moment in his relentless rise.news.yahoo.com
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If President Trump voters are considered cult members, then I guess this 80 year old conservative will just have to be considered a cult member.
We wouldn’t be having these problems with Russia, China, Iran, etc. if President Trump were in office.
I hope I can welcome him back to the White House so our military can be voided of the WOKE syndrome, etc. and we can once again carry the biggest stick.
The media has successfully dulled your cognitive discernment. Trump's entire voter base is MAGA. They simply do not agree on everything ... the same as any other voter base.
There are no lines ie. these are "cult" and these are not. There is no MAGA cult, only an increasing number of people realizing that the democRAT's agenda is national suicide.
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You are incorrect about the B-O-R-D-E-R bill. It was far worse than the aid bill in terms of garbage included and misrepresentation of what the money would really be used for.
You keep using it as a poking stick when the truth is it was not a good bill. Whether the truth is involved has never been a consideration for you. A man would work on that if he was honest.
Crimea will be returned to Ukrainian control. Guessing a UN-manned DMZ through Kherson and Donbas, with 300B in frozen Russian assets going to rebuild throughout the country.
but that's just a guess. and your guess is every bit as good as mine.
The Speaker seemed to think that the intelligence reports - he - was getting were credible.
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I know it is hard to tell us apart. But I don’t use rino(maybe once or twice in my life for severe cases)or uni party ever if I can help it. He doesn’t want to let it go on his watch. I don’t blame the speaker. Just in case. That is the one thing people would blame him directly for. The idiocy currently happening here The Dimocrat party is responsible for can wait. It is funny. The whole argument is if we leave Russia be, that problem will eventually be at our front door. Look around. A problem just as big or worse is already here. Anyone without an agenda is calling it an invasion. Which you guys opened the front door for. Then offered them a free room, free food and money to stay. And no prosecution. We have an illegal immigrant purge going on right here.
fair enough, withdrawn. though I was asking more rhetorically than pointedly.
I can’t stand Russia or Putin. I get the concern, but other things concern me way more at the moment is all. At some point we have to make a choice. Can’t send them money forever.
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