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Trump criticized the speed at which the jury was picked and claimed it was stacked with Democrats. “The jury was picked so fast. 95 percent Democrats. The area’s mostly all Democrat,” he is quoted as saying.

So the judge threatens to put him in jail over that comment? Hell its the truth. Not sure how this compromises the jury, he simply stated the truth.
 
Trump criticized the speed at which the jury was picked and claimed it was stacked with Democrats. “The jury was picked so fast. 95 percent Democrats. The area’s mostly all Democrat,” he is quoted as saying.

So the judge threatens to put him in jail over that comment? Hell its the truth. Not sure how this compromises the jury, he simply stated the truth.
That commie sob is in cahoots with Brag. They are just trying to break Trump and keep him from winning the Presidency.
 
More bs. Show me one lib who has said Trump will be kept off the ballot. The only thing they might be scared of is people like you who worship Trump.
Not to mention the 2 states that already tried to remove him, Colorado and Main, there's this


and this


As has been suggested to you before, get your head out of the sand and look at something besides cnn and msnbc and you might not embarrasses yourself so often.
 
Trump criticized the speed at which the jury was picked and claimed it was stacked with Democrats. “The jury was picked so fast. 95 percent Democrats. The area’s mostly all Democrat,” he is quoted as saying.

So the judge threatens to put him in jail over that comment? Hell its the truth. Not sure how this compromises the jury, he simply stated the truth.
yes. It's a clear violation of the gag order. He is not supposed to publicly talk about the jury. Pretty black and white.

All the competency tests that he has taken and he can't seem to follow simple instructions...
 
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yes. It's a clear violation of the gag order. He is not supposed to publicly talk about the jury. Pretty black and white.

All the competency tests that he has taken and he can't seem to follow simple instructions...

The only defendant in history that can’t defend himself publicly when everyone on the other side can do whatever whenever. Even a convicted liar can sale dolls of the defendant and profit from it along with trashing the defendant during the actual trial. You must really despise the first amendment. And how in the world does that comment endanger jurors? What he said is public knowledge.
 
The only defendant in history that can’t defend himself publicly when everyone on the other side can do whatever whenever. Even a convicted liar can sale dolls of the defendant and profit from it along with trashing the defendant during the actual trial. You must really despise the first amendment. And how in the world does that comment endanger jurors? What he said is public knowledge.
He's not defending himself. He's attacking other people like the jurors and the judge and no defendants are given that right. His first amendment rights aren't being attacked - sometimes there are consequences (perhaps legal) to what you say. You sure have your own sense of the legal system.
 
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He's not defending himself. He's attacking other people like the jurors and the judge and no defendants are given that right. His first amendment rights aren't being attacked - sometimes there are consequences (perhaps legal) to what you say. You sure have your own sense of the legal system.
This is one I can’t let go. Normally a person accused is nearly afforded every single opportunity to defend themselves. They let the mentally deranged defend themselves. And they are given such a wide berth it is hilarious. How bout fanni’s testimony, she was able to threaten everyone. And nothing.

A right to a fair trial where 95 percent of the jury is a democrat. The judge’s daughter literally will make money off the result of this trial. He himself is knee deep with Biden and others. Bragg literally ran on a platform of jailing Trump. I think a little perspective goes a long way. Yes. There are certain things he should not be allowed to do. But others are doing the exact same as he is from the other side. Part of me enjoys seeing Trump squirm some. He certainly has stepped on some throats along the way. This is freaking ridiculous. This is a mockery of our justice system. There is absolutely no defense for this brother. None.

They don’t care about the rules. They just have to get him. Appeals and the actual effect to the justice system be damned. This is going to happen from the other side. It is just a matter of time. The response and retaliation will be ugly. Honestly I hate that; but it should be. Not that our country actually needs some attention right here for our own problems.
 
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This is one I can’t let go. Normally a person accused is nearly afforded every single opportunity to defend themselves. A right to a fair trial where 95 percent of the jury is a democrat. The judge’s daughter literally will make money off the result of this trial. He himself is knee deep with Biden and others. Bragg literally ran on a platform of jailing Trump. I think a little perspective goes a long way. Yes. There are certain things he should not be allowed to do. But others are doing the exact same as he is from the other side. Part of me enjoys seeing Trump squirm some. He certainly has stepped on some throats along the way. This is freaking ridiculous. This is a mockery of our justice system. There is absolutely no defense for this brother. None.
Most of what you said has nothing to do with defending himself which is what I responded to.

And the people on the other side are not defendants in this trial.

It's okay if you don't like what is going on, but this is just the same rant I keep seeing over and over again on the Chat.
 
This is one I can’t let go. Normally a person accused is nearly afforded every single opportunity to defend themselves. They let the mentally deranged defend themselves. And they are given such a wide berth it is hilarious. How bout fanni’s testimony, she was able to threaten everyone. And nothing.

A right to a fair trial where 95 percent of the jury is a democrat. The judge’s daughter literally will make money off the result of this trial. He himself is knee deep with Biden and others. Bragg literally ran on a platform of jailing Trump. I think a little perspective goes a long way. Yes. There are certain things he should not be allowed to do. But others are doing the exact same as he is from the other side. Part of me enjoys seeing Trump squirm some. He certainly has stepped on some throats along the way. This is freaking ridiculous. This is a mockery of our justice system. There is absolutely no defense for this brother. None.

They don’t care about the rules. They just have to get him. Appeals and the actual effect to the justice system be damned. This is going to happen from the other side. It is just a matter of time. The response and retaliation will be ugly. Honestly I hate that; but it should be. Not that our country actually needs some attention right here for our own problems.
Additionally, Trump could literally repeat some of his lawyers arguments in court (e.g. attacking the credibility of witnesses) and that would technically be a violation of the gag order. How does that make sense?
 
Most of what you said has nothing to do with defending himself which is what I responded to.

And the people on the other side are not defendants in this trial.

It's okay if you don't like what is going on, but this is just the same rant I keep seeing over and over again on the Chat.
If it was Clinton or Obama, people would be losing their minds if he was in some country court with 100 percent pubs on the jury. Then a judge with ties to skinheads presiding over his trial. In a trial for something created by a da that had never been done before. One guy who has ruled on these things and the most knowledgeable about this situation in the country, is only allowed to testify on what the judge says he can testify to. With this skinhead judge, having a kid in line to make five million in donations if the case is won. This is where we are my friend and why so many are frustrated.

Trump is a dipshit, but this is a bit much. While in Athens our progressive da had recently lost 14 straight murder trials.
 
Trump criticized the speed at which the jury was picked and claimed it was stacked with Democrats. “The jury was picked so fast. 95 percent Democrats. The area’s mostly all Democrat,” he is quoted as saying.

So the judge threatens to put him in jail over that comment? Hell its the truth. Not sure how this compromises the jury, he simply stated the truth.
Is this a violation?

 
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More bs. Show me one lib who has said Trump will be kept off the ballot. The only thing they might be scared of is people like you who worship Trump.
“Worship”???? JAWAG here, but pretty sure that is a strong word.

Thinks most just want a change to something that will make their lives better……and thinks there is enough evidence out there to determine who will make their situation the better of the two.
 
“Worship”???? JAWAG here, but pretty sure that is a strong word.

Thinks most just want a change to something that will make their lives better……and thinks there is enough evidence out there to determine who will make their situation the better of the two.
My response won't change anything, but I'll answer you.

When people respond to criticism of Trump by criticizing Biden instead that begins to feel like they worship Trump (and for some it seems to go further towards being part of a cult).

I think all of us want a change to something that will make their lives better, but I don't see that alternative. No need to rehash all of that.
 
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My response won't change anything, but I'll answer you.

When people respond to criticism of Trump by criticizing Biden instead that begins to feel like they worship Trump (and for some it seems to go further towards being part of a cult).

I think all of us want a change to something that will make their lives better, but I don't see that alternative. No need to rehash all of that.
Bullshit. People worshiped O even though they didn't love his policies. School children were literally lead in the singing of odes to O and created scenes you would see in countries lead by ruthless dictators. A rodeo clown was fired for wearing an O mask.

I don't know of any Trump supporter that worships him and most I know don't hesitate to call him out for punching down and some of his less than eloquent communications. However, I do agree with the SOB on the folly of becoming dependent on hostile nations for our medicines, energy, food etc and giving them open access to our markets without reciprocation. Trump certainly was better in the foreign policy arena and until the covid shutdowns had the economy rocking. Don't even start about the border.

The bottom line is Trump can't even get all the pubs to fall in line. He's pretty much a great example of how balance of power is supposed to work, unfortunately his critics and opponents have grossly abused their power.
 
When people respond to criticism of Trump by criticizing Biden instead that begins to feel like they worship Trump (and for some it seems to go further towards being part of a cult).
That statement is doing a lot of heavy lifting.

What is going on in today’s world has nothing to do with Trump. Most people’s lives were better off with Trump in office, including mine….and most people are just sick of the what Biden has done since.

Biden deserves all the criticism that he is getting today, he’s the one in office.

To say that people are part of a cult and worship Trump because they support him over the guy in office is just crazy talk.

Unless this is all you have to do, pretty sure you are just better off not worrying about what others think and labeling people. Not healthy imo.
 
That statement is doing a lot of heavy lifting.

What is going on in today’s world has nothing to do with Trump. Most people’s lives were better off with Trump in office, including mine….and most people are just sick of the what Biden has done since.

Biden deserves all the criticism that he is getting today, he’s the one in office.

To say that people are part of a cult and worship Trump because they support him over the guy in office is just crazy talk.

Unless this is all you have to do, pretty sure you are just better off not worrying about what others think and labeling people. Not healthy imo.
Your last two paragraphs say it all. It's not that they support Trump. They can't defend statements against him and criticize Biden instead. It's not that they criticize Biden, but they do it when they can't defend Trump.

Finally, it's ironic that you talk about labeling people because that's all that it seems Trump supporters want to do. If someone doesn't agree with them, they automatically attach all these labels. I think that's really funny. I don't worry about what others think.

But you can go on thinking whatever you want.
 
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Your last two paragraphs say it all. It's not that they support Trump. They can't defend statements against him and criticize Biden instead. It's not that they criticize Biden, but they do it when they can't defend Trump.

Finally, it's ironic that you talk about labeling people because that's all that it seems Trump supporters want to do. If someone doesn't agree with them, they automatically attach all these labels. I think that's really funny. I don't worry about what others think.

But you can go on thinking whatever you want.
You aren’t wrong but it is kind of making the point. Trump’s criticisms generally have to do with things that don’t affect the lives of Americans. Stupid shit he says or things that are offensive. Never a policy that brought negative results. Because news flash his policy worked. To your point sometimes I can’t defend dumb shit Trump says. It’s dumb shit. Guess how much I care. Sometimes assholes are effective leaders and tough ass negotiators.

The issue with Biden is that he flat out sucks as President if the President’s main job is to improve the lives of Americans and keep America safe. Pretty much the same reason media and left will be “shocked” when Trump trounces Biden. They just can’t believe that most Americans care more about shit that matters than shit that doesn’t.
 
Your last two paragraphs say it all. It's not that they support Trump. They can't defend statements against him and criticize Biden instead. It's not that they criticize Biden, but they do it when they can't defend Trump.

Finally, it's ironic that you talk about labeling people because that's all that it seems Trump supporters want to do. If someone doesn't agree with them, they automatically attach all these labels. I think that's really funny. I don't worry about what others think.

But you can go on thinking whatever you want.
1) I guess when you are talking about Trump “cults” and “worshipers”, it seems as though you are grouping all Trump supporters into that category & I take exception to it.

Example:

“it's ironic that you talk about labeling people because that's all that it seems Trump supporters want to do.”

I certainly haven’t labeled you, I am currently Republican and support Trump. I am simply taking exception of you grouping all Republicans together.

I don’t know or have ever met a “worshipper” or a “cult” member that supports Trump. That all is hyperbole and I take exception to it.


2) The biggest things that I am concerned about:

A) inflation, or how far my dollars go.

B) safety/the border


Biden sux here. I also feel that he is the worst President since Jimmy Carter and he hasn’t even finished his term yet….he could overtake him.

I feel my life was a helluva lot better with the other guy in office. Pretty dang sure I am not the only one that feels this way.

If Biden makes your life better, vote for him. It certainly doesn’t bother or affect me. What would bother me is another 4 years of Biden, don’t think the country could survive it.
 
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You aren’t wrong but it is kind of making the point. Trump’s criticisms generally have to do with things that don’t affect the lives of Americans. Stupid shit he says or things that are offensive. Never a policy that brought negative results. Because news flash his policy worked. To your point sometimes I can’t defend dumb shit Trump says. It’s dumb shit. Guess how much I care. Sometimes assholes are effective leaders and tough ass negotiators.

The issue with Biden is that he flat out sucks as President if the President’s main job is to improve the lives of Americans and keep America safe. Pretty much the same reason media and left will be “shocked” when Trump trounces Biden. They just can’t believe that most Americans care more about shit that matters than shit that doesn’t.
You don't have to agree with the people who will not vote for Trump, but maybe you could read what they write (and that includes me) instead of making a statement like this. Yes, he says a lot of crap which is meaningless and doesn't really matter. However, one of the biggest criticism is that he caused January 6th and did nothing to stop it. Some more stuff came out this week about how communication was screwed up and nothing got done, but we know from eyewitnesses that Trump watched the events and did nothing for hours. And this is different from other events where people are perhaps criticized for doing nothing because January 6th doesn't happen without Trump. It appears he got what he wanted and sat back and enjoyed it.

I've said it before - Trump probably wins reelection if we don't have COVID. His first real test and he flunked. In time of crisis the American people look to the President and he's busy giving misinformation. At one time respirators were thought to be the answer. Instead of trying to solve the problem, he's concerned about reelection so he tells the states to work it out (that way he doesn't make enemies and lose votes). Biden has totally screwed up the borders. But Trump hadn't solved the illegal entry problem. The borders weren't closed and I don't recall any thought of what to do with the illegals in the country at that time. The ACA was far from perfect but at least it helped a lot of people who couldn't get insurance. Trump had a solution, but never delivered and I'm not aware that he has put forth any solution at this time. So some view his "policies" in a different light than others.

Yes, Biden has been terrible, but he scares me less than what I see looking at what Trump might do. And Trump has declined a lot since 2016 both mentally and physically. I think a broom could beat Biden in November, but he's going to get more votes than Trump in November as things stand right now (yes, I realize we still have the Electoral College). You have a lot of support here on the Chat and get a distorted view, but I don't think it's representative of the country. I'm sorry, I forgot the Democrats are going to cheat and Trump won't go quietly.

Such is the state of affairs.
 
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Eastman - I'll apologize for my response seeming to be mostly directed at you. Your posts are generally reasonable, but some others on here who support Trump are not reasonable and they throw out labels at those that don't agree with them I don't think I have to name those people and I'm not going to. But when you start calling people baby killers because they don't agree with you, I think that person is crossing the line. I totally believe Mitchell when he says who he voted for, but he gets labels pinned on him because he won't vote for Trump even though he won't vote for Biden.

I'm not questioning who you know but if you don't think that there are Trump worshippers out there that approach the level of a cult, you are not paying attention. What about some of the people convicted for January 6th - maybe you want to read what happened in some of those court cases.

I respect your opinion and understand your concerns. Inflation has been a problem, but it's been higher in the past and things will change. I remember the mortgage on our house originally had an interest rate of 12 3/4%; it was not a good time, but is a distant memory. Safety and the border is a big problem and I want to see a solution.

I wish this wasn't our choice, but I'm more concerned about our country if Trump wins.
 
...some others on here who support Trump are not reasonable and they throw out labels at those that don't agree with them I don't think I have to name those people and I'm not going to.

This is true & I wish they (and some that are on the "other" side) would engage in debate of the issues & not attack those they disagree with.

It's pointless.
 
More bs. Show me one lib who has said Trump will be kept off the ballot. The only thing they might be scared of is people like you who worship Trump.
You are lying if you don’t admit, the whole point of this is to keep Trump off the ballot. Just know your side has made him even more electable! You CAN NOT defend anything Biden or his traitorous family has done to the US and its citizens!
 
This is one I can’t let go. Normally a person accused is nearly afforded every single opportunity to defend themselves. They let the mentally deranged defend themselves. And they are given such a wide berth it is hilarious. How bout fanni’s testimony, she was able to threaten everyone. And nothing.

A right to a fair trial where 95 percent of the jury is a democrat. The judge’s daughter literally will make money off the result of this trial. He himself is knee deep with Biden and others. Bragg literally ran on a platform of jailing Trump. I think a little perspective goes a long way. Yes. There are certain things he should not be allowed to do. But others are doing the exact same as he is from the other side. Part of me enjoys seeing Trump squirm some. He certainly has stepped on some throats along the way. This is freaking ridiculous. This is a mockery of our justice system. There is absolutely no defense for this brother. None.

They don’t care about the rules. They just have to get him. Appeals and the actual effect to the justice system be damned. This is going to happen from the other side. It is just a matter of time. The response and retaliation will be ugly. Honestly I hate that; but it should be. Not that our country actually needs some attention right here for our own problems.

This needs to be discussed more.

Whatever people think about Trump is their business. But what the government is doing in the Bragg case is wrong.

They just want to convict him of....something. Anything. Forget evidence, credibility, proof, fairness, legalities, rights, etc. Just throw crap against the wall, hope it sticks, so they can call Trump "Convicted Felon"

Biased judge? Who cares
Shaky charge? Who cares.
Partial jury? Who cares
Irrelevant testimony? Who cares
Compromised witnesses? Who cares.
Lack of evidence? Who cares.
Verdict will be overturned? Who cares.

Just convict him.
 
I'm not questioning who you know but if you don't think that there are Trump worshippers out there that approach the level of a cult, you are not paying attention. What about some of the people convicted for January 6th - maybe you want to read what happened in some of those court cases.
Every political group has their idiots and I don't think any Trump supporter endorses the violent behavior on J6 and wouldn't have concerns if the investigation was targeted to those that committed violent acts or vandalism. Otoh, I do believe everyone should be concerned when grandmothers that were meandering around the Capital had their lives disrupted by what boils down to political persecutions. Also, most Trump supporters would like to see Trump qualify his statements to exclude the violent offenders.

You would get a lot further in an honest debate if you stopped using silly hyperbole like dictator, cult and insurrection and focused on the fact that we have 3 choices for POTUS and they should be compared. (Trump is bad, Biden is worse and RFKjr seems a bit loony) Their policies and the results should be debated and their behavior is an issue as well but I don't think Biden or Trump qualify as candidates for most ethical person of the yr.

As for me, I wish someone else could have taken the MAGA banner and ran with it but we're left with Trump. He served one term and had 3/4 of the DC establishment trying to undermine him but produced a nice economy, called out our allies when they took actions that were detrimental to the U.S. and changed their behavior, took over with the ME on fire and left after producing the Abraham Accords and didn't release billions of dollars to help fund Iran's terror goals. Voting for that doesn't mean you are a cultist. It simply means you like the guy that got most things right over the guy that screws up every major policy and appoints SCOTUS justices that can not communicate the difference between a male and a female.
 
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You don't have to agree with the people who will not vote for Trump, but maybe you could read what they write (and that includes me) instead of making a statement like this. Yes, he says a lot of crap which is meaningless and doesn't really matter. However, one of the biggest criticism is that he caused January 6th and did nothing to stop it. Some more stuff came out this week about how communication was screwed up and nothing got done, but we know from eyewitnesses that Trump watched the events and did nothing for hours. And this is different from other events where people are perhaps criticized for doing nothing because January 6th doesn't happen without Trump. It appears he got what he wanted and sat back and enjoyed it.

I've said it before - Trump probably wins reelection if we don't have COVID. His first real test and he flunked. In time of crisis the American people look to the President and he's busy giving misinformation. At one time respirators were thought to be the answer. Instead of trying to solve the problem, he's concerned about reelection so he tells the states to work it out (that way he doesn't make enemies and lose votes). Biden has totally screwed up the borders. But Trump hadn't solved the illegal entry problem. The borders weren't closed and I don't recall any thought of what to do with the illegals in the country at that time. The ACA was far from perfect but at least it helped a lot of people who couldn't get insurance. Trump had a solution, but never delivered and I'm not aware that he has put forth any solution at this time. So some view his "policies" in a different light than others.

Yes, Biden has been terrible, but he scares me less than what I see looking at what Trump might do. And Trump has declined a lot since 2016 both mentally and physically. I think a broom could beat Biden in November, but he's going to get more votes than Trump in November as things stand right now (yes, I realize we still have the Electoral College). You have a lot of support here on the Chat and get a distorted view, but I don't think it's representative of the country. I'm sorry, I forgot the Democrats are going to cheat and Trump won't go quietly.

Such is the state of affairs.
Fair enough I agree that Covid derailed Trump’s re-election but with the benefit of hindsight I think he’s been largely vindicated. This is a big reason why polls regarding opinions of his first term are up 20 pts since he was defeated.

Question - do you honestly think Biden and blue state policy would have been better? Schools closed everywhere well into 2021? I think history has shown that DeSantis / Trump was the way to handle Covid. Not Biden / Newsom. A very big reason folks are leaving California in droves is the way they handled Covid. People still pissed about it.
 
Fair enough I agree that Covid derailed Trump’s re-election but with the benefit of hindsight I think he’s been largely vindicated. This is a big reason why polls regarding opinions of his first term are up 20 pts since he was defeated.

Question - do you honestly think Biden and blue state policy would have been better? Schools closed everywhere well into 2021? I think history has shown that DeSantis / Trump was the way to handle Covid. Not Biden / Newsom. A very big reason folks are leaving California in droves is the way they handled Covid. People still pissed about it.
The solutions Trump did offer, were shot down and ridiculed by the government handlers and the media at the time. He has since been proven correct and their stories are tainted by their push for us all to stay in our homes, with the stupid mask and take the toxic vaccines. We were led by the crooked deep state and the WHO to be compliant little sheep. We would be in much worse standing without Trump at the helm during the plan-demic.
 
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Fair enough I agree that Covid derailed Trump’s re-election but with the benefit of hindsight I think he’s been largely vindicated. This is a big reason why polls regarding opinions of his first term are up 20 pts since he was defeated.

Question - do you honestly think Biden and blue state policy would have been better? Schools closed everywhere well into 2021? I think history has shown that DeSantis / Trump was the way to handle Covid. Not Biden / Newsom. A very big reason folks are leaving California in droves is the way they handled Covid. People still pissed about it.
I'm sorry, but hindsight doesn't help one make decisions at that time and some other people on here often want to rewrite history to fit their narrative. He tried to downplay the seriousness of what was happening at the beginning and I would say it was because he didn't want it to interfere with his reelection. At that time, and I need to say that a 2nd time because I know what other people will say, there was no proof for some of what he was touting. I don't remember you being involved here back in the early days (meaning 2020), but so much misinformation was posted. His first term might rate higher now, but I can't agree it's because some people think he was vindicated. So we can agree to disagree.

Again it doesn't matter what policy might have been better in hindsight. You don't get to rewrite history. Yes, in hindsight, schools were closed too long, but please try and put yourself back in late 2020 and 2021. People were dying at an unprecedented rate and hospitals, doctors and nurses were strained to their limits. Do you not remember? We had doctors and nurses dying and many were burned out and quit as a result. We, as a country, could not afford to say, let herd immunity take over. We couldn't handle more sick people at that time.

Don't get me started on DeSantis. He did many things without any scientific basis. He wanted to become President and that is what drove him. I'm sure you don't remember him stopping traffic coming into Florida so they could keep people from New York out. We got to sit in a car (we've been residents in Florida for 50 years now) and wait because of his publicity stunt. He controlled things in Florida including his press conferences, but when he got on the big stage he fell flat on his face.
 
I'm sorry, but hindsight doesn't help one make decisions at that time and some other people on here often want to rewrite history to fit their narrative. He tried to downplay the seriousness of what was happening at the beginning and I would say it was because he didn't want it to interfere with his reelection. At that time, and I need to say that a 2nd time because I know what other people will say, there was no proof for some of what he was touting. I don't remember you being involved here back in the early days (meaning 2020), but so much misinformation was posted. His first term might rate higher now, but I can't agree it's because some people think he was vindicated. So we can agree to disagree.

Again it doesn't matter what policy might have been better in hindsight. You don't get to rewrite history. Yes, in hindsight, schools were closed too long, but please try and put yourself back in late 2020 and 2021. People were dying at an unprecedented rate and hospitals, doctors and nurses were strained to their limits. Do you not remember? We had doctors and nurses dying and many were burned out and quit as a result. We, as a country, could not afford to say, let herd immunity take over. We couldn't handle more sick people at that time.

Don't get me started on DeSantis. He did many things without any scientific basis. He wanted to become President and that is what drove him. I'm sure you don't remember him stopping traffic coming into Florida so they could keep people from New York out. We got to sit in a car (we've been residents in Florida for 50 years now) and wait because of his publicity stunt. He controlled things in Florida including his press conferences, but when he got on the big stage he fell flat on his face.
Oh, please ! Rewriting history? That is literally what the Dems do on a daily basis!
Unless you can not see the truth, you have to admit the nation was MUCH BETTER under the leadership ( none in this administration) of Trump. Across the board, no ifs ands or buts! Men k ew they were men and women knew they were women then! Everything is jacked up now, and getting worse by the minutes each and every day!
 
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It is amazing the the things the anti Trump people are willing to let go, forgive, not recognize as an issue which is horrible for the country etc etc etc. here is a partial list

1. Hilary’s election interference (dossier)
2. Bidens lawfare(election interference)
3. Prosecutorial malpractice (election interference).
(2 and 3 above managed by the White House
Trump wanted to stay in power Hilary wanted power, Biden wants to stay in power
4. Biden says dumber stuff and lies more than Trump. Just ask the media. They can tell you the exact number of Trump lies (in their opinion) but gave up on counting Joe’s lies
5. The border. Dangerous, expensive drain on taxpayers. Over loading systems. Dims plan and are using it to alter elections. Joe said it today. Called them Hispanic voters. How can an anti Trumper claim to care about “democracy” when the whole open border issue is anti law and anti democracy.
6. Economic policy.: Brandon’s is killing us
7. Forcing trans on everyone. Men in women’s sports. Men in restrooms with little girls etc.
8. Gay sex declared as normal and taught to young children. It’s not normal and should not be taught to young children as such.
9. Brandon turns his back on one our best ally in the Middle East and wants to bring Palestinian refugees to America to assist his afghan refugees in raping young girls
10. Brandon is a pedophile himself. Showering with his daughter. Tweaking little girls nipples, letting young children rub the hair on his legs at the pool
11. Energy policy is a disaster.

On and on and on.

Trump is not likeable but he is better for America. He may be an adulterer but he is not a pedophile

Policies no question are better under Trump

So to vote for Biden is to vote Anti America, pro trans, pro sexualization of children, pro pedo, pro unlimited abortion.

This post may offend some of you but that is only because it’s the truth and you do t like having what you stand for pointed out. If you agree with voting for the scum bag pedo in office now and his anti America policies you shouldn’t be bothered in the least.
 
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I'm sorry, but hindsight doesn't help one make decisions at that time and some other people on here often want to rewrite history to fit their narrative. He tried to downplay the seriousness of what was happening at the beginning and I would say it was because he didn't want it to interfere with his reelection. At that time, and I need to say that a 2nd time because I know what other people will say, there was no proof for some of what he was touting. I don't remember you being involved here back in the early days (meaning 2020), but so much misinformation was posted. His first term might rate higher now, but I can't agree it's because some people think he was vindicated. So we can agree to disagree.

Again it doesn't matter what policy might have been better in hindsight. You don't get to rewrite history. Yes, in hindsight, schools were closed too long, but please try and put yourself back in late 2020 and 2021. People were dying at an unprecedented rate and hospitals, doctors and nurses were strained to their limits. Do you not remember? We had doctors and nurses dying and many were burned out and quit as a result. We, as a country, could not afford to say, let herd immunity take over. We couldn't handle more sick people at that time.

Don't get me started on DeSantis. He did many things without any scientific basis. He wanted to become President and that is what drove him. I'm sure you don't remember him stopping traffic coming into Florida so they could keep people from New York out. We got to sit in a car (we've been residents in Florida for 50 years now) and wait because of his publicity stunt. He controlled things in Florida including his press conferences, but when he got on the big stage he fell flat on his face.
This is simply amazing. Rewriting history?

Have you seen the stuff the Biden Administration has put out?

 
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