So what do we all think of Hegseth and senior cabinet member using Signal app

[Lava-Man]

That's a strawman argument. Which specific claims are you suggesting are false or overblown?

That's not a strawman, as I'm not falsely putting words in your mouth and beating on an argument based on that. I simply read the document that you posted and applied it to the current situation.

The claims I've read is conjecture that there was some tomfoolery from a low-level IT leftover. Again...conjecture. The initials is much more believable.

But, whatever. Time will tell.

The false or overblown is "war plans", "Top Secret" , illegally using this app to hide info, etc.

 

[willdup]

Deflection? It was another example of his shoddy reporting. I've already said that adding him to the chat is a clear big mistake.

I tried to float above a benefit of the doubt that maybe he just doesn't know actual classified information when he sees it...and calling it "war plans" demonstrates that. Again, if everybody who literally swore under oath that the information isn't classified knows that he has all the info...that seems a pretty good indicator that it isn't, because if/when it is released, it should be obvious.

You need to watch more of the testimony today. Both Gabbard and Ratliff attempted to leave some room available to squirm on the topic of whether something was classified or not.

If you think this was definitively addressed by Ratliff and Gabbard, you are wrong.



"I don't recall" was liberally used during the hearing by Ratliff.



Gabbard was also highly evasive.

 

[Lava-Man]

You need to watch more of the testimony today. Both Gabbard and Ratliff attempted to leave some room available to squirm on the topic of whether something was classified or not.

If you think this was definitively addressed by Ratliff and Gabbard, you are wrong.

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First, that tweet proves nothing but that the Ds are desperate for something and second, Warner beclowned himself:

"I don't recall" was liberally used during the hearing by Ratliff.

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I'm not sure what that is attempting to prove here.

Gabbard was also highly evasive.

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So, she answers there was no classified info. Got it. Radcliffe answers a hypothetical.

In a past life, I had a clearance. There are classification guides that detail specifically what is and isnt.

I'm going to repeat myself: If/when we get the full text, it will be abundantly clear.

 

[DTwnDawg]

And none of the so called Dems on here would be defending her like the Trumpers are doing for their Orange Jesus

The Trump devotion is beyond cult status

I’m trying to find where the ‘Orange Jesus” lovers on here are defending this…what happened was stupid on the part of anyone on the chain text.

 

[Athens is Heaven]

You need to watch more of the testimony today. Both Gabbard and Ratliff attempted to leave some room available to squirm on the topic of whether something was classified or not.

If you think this was definitively addressed by Ratliff and Gabbard, you are wrong.

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"I don't recall" was liberally used during the hearing by Ratliff.

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Gabbard was also highly evasive.

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These hypothetical idiots just need to shut up. As much as they lied and covered up their lies and mistakes they just need to quit squealing!

 

[Lava-Man]

This is my shocked face.

 

[Lava-Man]

 

[Athens is Heaven]

This is my shocked face.

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Lie and exaggerate that all these libs know how to do!

 

[DTwnDawg]

It’s almost like the people in this thread don’t watch the news. Lol.

Have we all forgotten that China was already listening into Donald Trump’s phone calls made from his personal cell phone? Does nobody remember that he refused to use the secure phone during his first term and preferred to use his personal cell phone? He did this because he did not understand that he had already been hacked.

We are so woefully ill prepared for a war against China on every single front. So many Americans are gonna die.

LOL…From your post above, it’s almost like you don’t remember the news, or study the U.S. Defense Budget under different Administrations …and how the money has been spent.

This country is so ‘ill” prepared for war right now due to the the appropriations of Defense funds….though the budgets roughly remained the same, where the money was spent under the different administrations is drastically different. Cuts made to essential manufacturing of weaponry/munitions, the refusal of both the OIDIOT Administration and the Biden/Oidiot Administration to spend significant funds on hypersonic weaponry, electronic warfare, and our defense industrial base. Not to mention the effects that human factors (U.S. military’s DEI emphasis on enlisted, resulting in the reduction of volunteers) have allowed both Russia and China to make significant gains against us. But I’m glad people on here are FINALLY recognizing the threat of China instead of “Climate Change” being the US most existential threat, and the importance of a strong military.

I guess you’ve forgotten Joe Biden allowing a Chinese spy balloon to fly over the numerous United States military and strategic sites for 8 days, before shooting it down off the coast of South Carolina after completing its spy mission? As well as his complete debacle in his pathetic withdrawal of Afghanistan, that cost the lives of many, along with the billions of dollars of military weaponry, equipment, and technological secrets left behind.

 

[Lava-Man]

I’ll have my AI argue with your AI.

Missed this earlier. FWIW, absolutely zero AI used in the quoted post. Zero in this thread. To be clear, I've addressed this in a previous topic: I have used AI for quick searches of numbers and sometimes quick specific research, if necessary (no different than google, imo). It's why I will include a link to where those numbers or sources come from come from, if I do, or sometimes I just link what I find.

Otherwise, I'm just a quick typer. Melted 4.5 keyboards in this thread alone. 🔥⌨️🔥😜

 

[TivoliDawg]

We can settle one important point today if Gabbard and the intelligence community want to stand behind the assertion that there was no classified information included in the thread.

Give Goldberg permission to release the entire thread. Then we can determine for ourselves who is lying.


You are taking the testimony from Gabbard and Ratliff at face value, which I am not at all inclined to do.

Gabbard says there was no classified information, which isn’t even believable based on what we already know. But they can either release the rest of the exchange or give Goldberg permission to do so.

Goldberg has straight up claimed that Hegseth and Gabbard are lying. Let’s get the cards on the table and find out.

Exactly. As if Signal is approved to communicate with the VPOTUS about an impending Air Force strike. Lololol

If it’s so allowable, then I guess they’ll be doing it again in the future?

People in this thread are a hoot.

 

[TivoliDawg]

You need to watch more of the testimony today. Both Gabbard and Ratliff attempted to leave some room available to squirm on the topic of whether something was classified or not.

If you think this was definitively addressed by Ratliff and Gabbard, you are wrong.

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"I don't recall" was liberally used during the hearing by Ratliff.

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Gabbard was also highly evasive.

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Holy effing shite.

Everyone watch this maggot now claim he “doesn’t recall” anything about a text he was on 7 days ago.

WTF?

Again - if you want to be crazy, be crazy. But on it. Don’t squirm like a little maggot and a liar because you don’t want to face the fire. Same nonsense RFK Jr. did when he was getting before Congress.

 

[Athens is Heaven]

Holy effing shite.

Everyone watch this maggot now claim he “doesn’t recall” anything about a text he was on 7 days ago.

WTF?

Again - if you want to be crazy, be crazy. But on it. Don’t squirm like a little maggot and a liar because you don’t want to face the fire. Same nonsense RFK Jr. did when he was getting before Congress.

You lib 🐷 are pathetic just keep on squealing!!!

 

[Athens is Heaven]

Exactly. As if Signal is approved to communicate with the VPOTUS about an impending Air Force strike. Lololol

If it’s so allowable, then I guess they’ll be doing it again in the future?

People in this thread are a hoot.

No will you are the one out of step in this marching order!

 

[Lava-Man]

Holy effing shite.

Everyone watch this maggot now claim he “doesn’t recall” anything about a text he was on 7 days ago.

WTF?

Again - if you want to be crazy, be crazy. But on it. Don’t squirm like a little maggot and a liar because you don’t want to face the fire. Same nonsense RFK Jr. did when he was getting before Congress.

Did you see above where Goldberg is already walking his claim back? "LOL", indeed

 

[Lava-Man]

Exactly. As if Signal is approved to communicate with the VPOTUS about an impending Air Force strike. Lololol

If it’s so allowable, then I guess they’ll be doing it again in the future?

People in this thread are a hoot.

Nothing of the conversations released so far is classified. Slack has been allowed for WH comms for two admins, now. Goldberg is now walking back his claims.

Your inability to accept info counter to your original narrative is a hoot.

 

[willdup]

Nothing of the conversations released so far is classified. Slack has been allowed for WH comms for two admins, now. Goldberg is now walking back his claims.

Your inability to accept info counter to your original narrative is a hoot.

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/trump-should-fire-pete-hegseth/

 

[Lava-Man]

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/trump-should-fire-pete-hegseth/

Someone with an opinion from the National Review. Great. I disagree.

 

[Moosefish]

My only comments on this matter, for now:

1. I've had slack on my government-issued phone before. It's been the standard communication tool for more than one deployment.

2. Given what I've read so far, my guess is the main issue is the supposed name of the CIA analyst. That's not classified, unless they're involved in HUMINT. There is zero possibility they would be using an actual name, even at much higher classification level, if that were the case.

3. The first most likely scenario is (due to the name) a CUI issue; Controlled Unclassified Information. There is zero issue of using or discussing that for official uses, on approved devices or via approved methods.

I can commit a CUI violation by emailing my own SSN to somebody for official purposes and not encrypting the email.

4. The second obvious scenario is an OPSEC (Operational Security) violation. That isn't a classification, it's a set of practices designed to protect sensitive information from being exploited. Time of the strikes is definitely OPSEC and not necessarily classified. Usually, it takes more than one detail to move into the classified realm (thus, what I assume is the reference that more info is available on the 'high side').

Even a "secret" mission is going to be listed in the unclassified (but, CUI System and protected by OPSEC) scheduling software for the flying unit. It has to be, for a lot of really boring reasons I'm not going to address (it's simply how air ops work)

I can commit an OPSEC violation by accidentally throwing a way a CUI flight schedule in the trash can or mentioning to my wife at dinner in a restaurant what time I'm taking off for my training sortie tomorrow.

Given what we know so far, here's the kicker: The only reason either of those would be an issue here is because Goldberg was inadvertently added. Whoever did that committed an OPSEC violation which led to a CUI issue. Can both of those be potentially bigger issues? Of course. We're fortunate they weren't. But, I'm sure we'll have new bullets added to our annual CUI/OPSEC training, now lol

I hope they release everything with only the CIA analyst's name redacted. Releasing that to the public at-large is pointless.

 

[Moosefish]

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/trump-should-fire-pete-hegseth/

My main issue with that column:

"The fact that these conversations happened outside of official government communications channels at all is a scandal in itself. It’s a total breach of protocol and operational security (despite the fact that Hegseth made sure to brag in the chat that “we are currently clean on OPSEC.”)"

That's simply not true. Slack is an official government communication channel, with caveats. It's not a scandal "in itself", and if Goldberg wasn't in the chat, It's likely not an OPSEC violation at all. Thus, Hegseth's comment was true from his perspective....and (without the context) I'm guessing was noting the lack of reports in the press, etc.

i.e. there were no rumors

The OPSEC violation was from the person that didn't verify who they added.

 

[ugaboz]

Blood in the water for the desperate Dems lol…

no doubt
anything triggers them especially tesla

 

[willdup]

My main issue with that column:

"The fact that these conversations happened outside of official government communications channels at all is a scandal in itself. It’s a total breach of protocol and operational security (despite the fact that Hegseth made sure to brag in the chat that “we are currently clean on OPSEC.”)"

That's simply not true. Slack is an official government communication channel, with caveats. It's not a scandal "in itself", and if Goldberg wasn't in the chat, It's likely not an OPSEC violation at all. Thus, Hegseth's comment was true from his perspective....and (without the context) I'm guessing was noting the lack of reports in the press, etc.

i.e. there were no rumors

The OPSEC violation was from the person that didn't verify who they added.

Did you mean Slack or Signal?

Is this post accurate?

 

[Moosefish]

Did you mean Slack or Signal?

Is this post accurate?

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I meant Signal. Mixed them up in my head when I was typing, we use Slack too, for some stuff.

FYI, that tweet is mixing up a lot of things, there. Guys that high up the food chain have multiple phones and yes, they have at least one that they can talk TS on. Signal isn't on that one. A phone that connects to the networks he mentioned isn't something they're going to use for anything except higher class conversations/data, for a lot of reasons I'm not going to discuss.

But, even lowly me had an unclassified phone on it with Signal that connected to a secure VPN automatically...even the cell signal was pushed through it.

That author is either being intentionally misleading or he doesn't know what he's talking about.

 

[55dawg]

I meant Signal. Mixed them up in my head when I was typing, we use Slack too, for some stuff.

FYI, that tweet is mixing up a lot of things, there. Guys that high up the food chain have multiple phones and yes, they have at least one that they can talk TS on. Signal isn't on that one. A phone that connects to the networks he mentioned isn't something they're going to use for anything except higher class conversations/data, for a lot of reasons I'm not going to discuss.

But, even lowly me had an unclassified phone on it with Signal that connected to a secure VPN automatically...even the cell signal was pushed through it.

That author is either being intentionally misleading or he doesn't know what he's talking about.

Thanks for clearing up all the misinformation spewed on this topic.

 

[Moosefish]

Did you mean Slack or Signal?

Is this post accurate?

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Funny story, that highlights what I typed above: I was discussing with a friend at work a week or so ago how you can make any space effectively a "temporary SCIF", if you take the proper precautions. He agreed and told a story of his buddy that was the aide-de-Camp for a 3-Star. They were travelling and during a layover, the LtGen had to make a high-level call. So, he effectively commandeered a small closet in the USO and the buddy had to stand "guard" outside the door while the TS call was made.

That's an example of the kind of phone in the tweet you referenced.

 

[woofn]

to plan for war against the Houthis… and accidentally copying in a reporter from The Atlantic?

If you don’t know what Signal is, it’s a completely insecure chatting app that is absolutely not made for US war plans.owing out. Keep it up Dems!

So they knocked out some Houthis…if the so called wars plans that weren’t tells me just how good a job was done. I know the Dems want this to be their Benghazi or Afghanistan **** up for the pubs, but the Dems are dreaming

 

[atlanta cock#]

This is what happens when you hire talk show hosts to lead the largest military in the world.

This is North Korea-level incompetence.

And, of course, Hegseth takes no accountability.

I’m pretty sure the republicans on here would be very understanding if bird-brain Kamala were to have texted all the admin’s war plans to a Fox News reporter by mistake in an insecure channel.

He's still better than anyone Obama and Biden had.

Lots of conflicting info out there.

 

[TivoliDawg]

Nothing of the conversations released so far is classified. Slack has been allowed for WH comms for two admins, now. Goldberg is now walking back his claims.

Your inability to accept info counter to your original narrative is a hoot.

I never swore that the info. was classified. It’s hugely embarrassing and an eff up even if the info. was not classified. That what Watlz himself says. Lol

Also, I have a hard one imagining that US military strike plans are not classified but again, it’s not like we’ll have seal investigation here.

 

[willdup]

Funny story, that highlights what I typed above: I was discussing with a friend at work a week or so ago how you can make any space effectively a "temporary SCIF", if you take the proper precautions. He agreed and told a story of his buddy that was the aide-de-Camp for a 3-Star. They were travelling and during a layover, the LtGen had to make a high-level call. So, he effectively commandeered a small closet in the USO and the buddy had to stand "guard" outside the door while the TS call was made.

That's an example of the kind of phone in the tweet you referenced.

A few questions for you:

1. Is this kind of information typically shared with such a broad group before the operation takes place?
2. Why would someone like the Treasury Secretary need to know this?
3. Are you still good with this conversation taking place on Signal?
4. Do you have any concerns that Witkoff was in Moscow, possibly in the Kremlin, when he was added to the thread?
5. Do you find the theories being promoted by Waltz about how Goldberg was added to the thread as absurd as I do?

 

[jlstone412]

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A few questions for you:

1. Is this kind of information typically shared with such a broad group before the operation takes place?
2. Why would someone like the Treasury Secretary need to know this?
3. Are you still good with this conversation taking place on Signal?
4. Do you have any concerns that Witkoff was in Moscow, possibly in the Kremlin, when he was added to the thread?
5. Do you find the theories being promoted by Waltz about how Goldberg was added to the thread as absurd as I do?

Kudos to Goldberg bringing receipts...and having the spine to publicly post them after being spit on the last 36 hours.

Interested in the response from WH if any....

 

[willdup]

Kudos to Goldberg bringing receipts...and having the spine to publicly post them after being spit on the last 36 hours.

Interested in the response from WH if any....

Here is the entire thread.

How can anyone argue that Gabbard and Ratliff didn't perjure themselves yesterday?

 

[magnolia93ugagrad]

Who is Joe Kent on the signal chat?

 

[jlstone412]

Here is the entire thread.

How can anyone argue that Gabbard and Ratliff didn't perjure themselves yesterday?

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I'm interested to see who here make the argument that they didn't...

 

[jlstone412]

Who is Joe Kent on the signal chat?

Gabbarbs point of contact for DNI. Waltz asked for POC for all on thread for further coordination.

 

[willdup]

I'm interested to see who here make the argument that they didn't...

Just in case anyone needs a guide to the relevant classification parameters.

 

[jlstone412]

Just in case anyone needs a guide to the relevant classification parameters.

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And look who got assigned the new Signalgate lawsuit:

 

[magnolia93ugagrad]

Imagine that your son, daughter, parent or spouse was flying one of these American fighter jets, with Hegseth texting their exact launch times and jet details in real time— to a group chat that has been intercepted.

 

[jlstone412]

Imagine that your son, daughter, parent or spouse was flying one of these American fighter jets, with Hegseth texting their exact launch times and jet details in real time— to a group chat that has been intercepted.

As someone with family currently serving, it pisses me off to the MAX.

 

[KidneyStoned]

Nothing of the conversations released so far is classified. Slack has been allowed for WH comms for two admins, now. Goldberg is now walking back his claims.

Your inability to accept info counter to your original narrative is a hoot.

Comment now that the texts have been released? You seemed confident to the point of belligerence yesterday.

 

[willdup]

Comment now that the texts have been released? You seemed confident to the point of belligerence yesterday.

So far, the early response from the participants has not been convincing.