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You won't find that, because it doesn't exist. He's just another chat lib bitch who hates Trump and lets that TDS serve as the driving force behind each and every post he makes on this forum.
Yahoo says that he did not pardon the ones convicted of sedition. Those have served 4 years in prison and it is still on their record.
Whatever. I comment on one post and I am whining while some keep whining about Biden when they can't defend Trump. What a joke.
I don't know what this "we keep winning" is. All I see is our country losing. Four years ago I said Trump is dividing our country and the voters listened. Now Trump is dividing even more while those who voted for lower prices are left blowing in the wind. The last two administrations were terrible and we'll see what happens. Yes, the voters also wanted to deal with the borders but I will wait on that. There's more important things like asking a bishop to apologize because we don't have free speech.
You also said that DeSantis would lose his re-election bid as Florida's governor. Nice call on that one as usual.
You're the gift that just keeps on giving. Promise me you'll never stop having TDS (and DDS), it's too entertaining to witness.
Most presidents seem to end up pardoning some unsavory characters. It's been happening since at least Reagan.
It's not my job to comment on every single political development or every presidential pardon, and I've detailed what exactly about the mass pardon of the 300 or so people convicted of attacking the police in Trump's name is different. But, ok. I'll try and respond.
Biden did not pardon Leanard Peltier, who I assume is the cop killer in question since you provided no names. I don't support that commutation (no pardon and confined to his home until he dies, which is likely soon), but he had quite a number of people and organizations who did.
James H. Reynolds, the US Attorney who prosecuted the case, has publicly apologized for irregularities in the prosecution and has called for his pardon.
In December, 33 US lawmakers sent a letter to Biden calling for Peltier's clemency due to irregularities with his prosecution.
The Pope and a number of Human Rights organizations have done the same, for the same reasons.
Who are the equivalent lawmakers or organizations requesting clemency for the 300 or so people convicted of violent felonies against the police? Most of the GOP comments I've seen on the most egregious pardons have been critical of Trump's move, for obvious reasons.
Biden communed a number of former death sentences to life in prison, so I am assuming that group includes the child rapists and murderers you are referencing. That is in no way the same and letting them walk free.
If you have some specific names, I'd be glad to comment on them.
You libs should not have cheated in the election and it would never have happened.
Trump dividing? 2 days?
Winning? Yes, winning. We gonna win and keep winning. We whooped that tail and now we gonna keep winning for another 12 years.
Your woke, DEI, inclusive trash is over. Sit back and enjoy the ride.
FWIW, my post you quoted wasn't responding to you, as I quoted Troubadawg's post, not yours.
But, on Peltier, regardless of irregularities, he brutally murdered two FBI agents.
But, let's add a couple names who Biden also had released:
Michael Conahan. A Pennsylvania judge who sentenced children to private prisons for financial gain
Meera Sachdeva who provided cancer patients with diluted chemotherapy drugs. She also provided them with old needles, which resulted in one patient claiming to have gotten HIV from a needle used by her clinic.
No doubt both sides are messed up and I will acknowledge that. The left and you yourself continue to frame the occurrences that you have mention in the worst or best light depending on what side of the fence you sit.
The the violence you mention and the potential disruption of transfer power between president’s is mostly sensationalism. That was not their intent or purpose that day or they would have completed the task. They( very few unarmed people) breached the capitol and then fairly peacefully. Yes officers were injured and some of the protesters needed to be arrested and prosecuted no doubt. But the way you and others mention these events is utterly astounding and is mostly political posturing. Every other protest mentioned in this thread and others not mentioned involved more violence and had more armed protesters with a much more defined purpose. In all of these other protests very few if any were arrested even when police officers were killed and injured. These protest had more violent acts and destruction and much fewer arrests. January 6th saw so many people arrested who did not do anything violent or destructive yet they were prosecuted. There is a huge difference and the circumstances surrounding these events are vastly different and the responses to these events were dramatically different. If you cannot acknowledge those differences I do not think further discussion is worthwhile.
You focus on these events and there are other events that have transpired that are just as troubling and some even more so to me. The left continually tries to deny an absolute truth proven by science and tries push the false narrative on those who do not agree. The act of denying a truth like this leads to a feeds very destructive behaviors. Younger generations have been sold a bunch of lies and yes some has come from both sides but only party has made them their a part of their party platforms. There are only 2 genders and the denial of that fact makes people to tend to question others truths and foundations that are vital for our country and society. We have young people who think the guy who assininated the United Healthcare CEO is a hero and it was justified. These platforms and policies promote feelings above truth and duty and are much more harmful than anything else mentioned. That is my opinion and I am sure there are many who do not agree. Very few things being discussed does either side of the aisle have a much greater grasp of the total truth of the situation . So much depends on your perspective and what you value most.
Left blowing in the wind? Seriously we are not even a week in to his term. Come on Celt you are reaching so far you might need to take some Advil.
Just the pendulum effect. If J6 committee and DOJ had handled this properly, these pardons wouldn’t have occurred. Agree a few shouldn’t have been pardoned (yet). But none of these folks deserved 20 years. And hundreds didn’t deserve prosecution and/or jail. And yes the lack of prosecutions in the BLM riots for equal or worse actions had an impact. Probably an overreaction in some cases by Trump in response to a horrible DOJ. But I get it. Now we can start over and maybe handle things even handed…… BTW check out the AI deal in the works. You probably missed it on MSNBC.
Blowing in the wind? Reaching so far.. What in the world are you talking about?
It didn't take long to see what Trump was up to. Trying to throw out the Constitution through Executive Order. Getting rid of preventing discrimination in Federal contracting - he didn't do this eight years ago, but now he doesn't have to worry about reelection (can't wait to see what else he comes up with). Do you still want to tell us that he has and will not have anything to do with Project 2025 - don't make me laugh. Is mentioning the bishop far out? No, it just shows his disrespect for people who don't agree with him. And is he seriously thinking about adjourning Congress to get his appointments? Nothing will surprise him.
Yes, we need a change in immigration policy so let's see what he does. It would be great to eliminate government waste, but not with explosions. But Gulf of America just shows how full of himself he is. That's enough for me.
inventing facts is something you know a ton about.
Seriously asking me what you said?
You said this in that post:
All I see is our country losing. Four years ago I said Trump is dividing our country and the voters listened. Now Trump is dividing even more while those who voted for lower prices are left blowing in the wind.
Throwing out the constitution with the executive orders? What did Biden do with them? Or every other president when they take over.
Never mind this is not even worth responding to you. Nothing objective coming in your posts.
I don’t support the death penalty, but I might make an exception for Judge Conahan. I followed that case closely and that son of a bitch should never see the light of day again.
It seems his sentence was commuted as part of a mass commutation of 1500 people who were non-violent offenders with a very low risk of recidivism. Whatever. Horrible move by Biden, regardless of how it happened.
Apparently the doctor was part of the same 1500. Sound like a poorly conceived program if those two were part of the 1500.
It doesn’t in any way change the fact that Trump continues to praise felons who attacked the police in his name and for his benefit or the message the future political violence will also be praised and rewarded. It’s an entirely different and more destructive dynamic.
So tell us will. How much did you love obama? Tell us about how he defended the young man that attacked a police officer in MO. How he stood up for blm and how much rioting was done. Hmmm can't wait for the spin here. Fact is, you have selective outrage.
I appreciate our points of agreement, here. Horrible decisions. I would and will call Trump out for anything similar.
The 'message'? What is that, exactly? "Felons"? Some solely due to lawfare. Is it more than any of the thousands of other "messages" that have been sent by the Biden admin? What "message" is anyone actually latching on to?
"Entirely Different"? "MORE DESTRUCTIVE"?!?! Please share what you mean there...with details. I'm not following, or stupid, or both.
With all due respect...Biden literally did the same thing, getting rid of all the Trump-era orders that affected immigration on Day 1. We all now see how well that went.
He deserved 10 years. Go attack your local police and see how much time you get. Are you one of the "Back the Blue" except when Trump is the FELON?
Yes, Presidents can make changes. Please remind me which of Biden's executive orders on Day 1 attempted to change the Constitution.With all due respect...Biden literally did the same thing, getting rid of all the Trump-era orders that affected immigration on Day 1. We all now see how well that went.
The more than three hundred people convicted of violent felonies weren’t convicted due to lawfare. They were convicted due to incontrovertible video evidence and testimony proving their guilt in a court of law.
I’ll remind you that many of these felons were sentenced by judges nominated by Republican presidents, including Trump himself.
The message from Trump is that if you commit violent felonies at his behest, he will use his power as President to make sure you are taken care of. It also sends the message that there is nothing in this country, no office, no institution, no legislative body, no one in uniform, that is more important or more sacred than DJT getting what he wants.
You just can’t spin it any other way, and this is always a key step in the move toward authoritarianism.
Trump promised he was going to pardon all of these people and he did. Do you think his promise to go after those who oppose him is just rhetoric? Do you think he wanted Matt Gaetz, the guy with a taste for drugs and underage girls, as AG because of his qualifications and good character or because he wants people who will do his bidding regardless of the legality of the order? You think Kash Patel, who has directly promised to go after Trump’s opposition, is going to be guided by the Constitution and the law or by delivering what Trump demands regardless of the legality?
I’ve said everything there is to say on this topic. I simply hope that there is enough institutional resilience left to effectively oppose Trump when he attempts to put himself above the Constitution, which he has absolutely done in the past and will certainly attempt to do again during the four years ahead.
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How much jail time do people serve that get ten years? Please tell me you don’t think it is all ten years. In dc, it is a misdemeanor. 180 days to the maximum of 10 years. Some of these folks managed to get more than the maximum. I am not saying they didn’t deserve time. They did. Most would be released already for good behavior if they did this in small town America. Or even big city America. That is why the outrage may be slightly understandable, but also uneducated
Do you have some specific examples of people who you feel were unfairly sentenced? I believe that most of the people sentenced to long sentences were shown to have committed prior crimes and/or have gone to the Capitol with a predisposition for violence.
Given that Trump drew no distinction between any of the individual cases, I’d be interested in better understanding which people pardoned for violent felonies deserve any sympathy for their sentences.
I’ll add, if Trump had simply pardoned everyone convicted of a none-violent offense (excluding the seditious conspiracy crew of course), there wouldn’t be the same outrage. Or, if he had pardoned selected individuals where a case could be made they were sentenced unfairly, while leaving the most egregious offenders in prison, that also would have been more palatable.
I can’t disagree with your last paragraph. It would have kept him from catching any grief for the most part. There is no doubt about that. Especially for a select few that he pardoned that should be staying in jail. But it is just a few imo.
I think we are having a major communication issue. I am not pointing to anyone and saying their sentence was unfair. I do believe there are people who did the tour only who have dealt with this for way too long. People who had to wait in jail for a period of time not meeting the crime really sucks. But they played a stupid game and won a stupid prize.
The maximum sentence for assaulting a police officer in dc is 10 years will. Read that please. 10 years. Look it up. It comes with being released early for good behavior. Paroled. Dc is one of the most liberal jurisdictions on the planet. A ton of these folks who assaulted police have been in jail or been dealing with this in their lives for four years. In dc, most of them would have already been cut loose in a normal case. That is my point. It is understandable outrage, but you are upset with something that for normal people found guilty of this would have already happened. First time offenders get 180 days. Please read the link below.
DC Assault On A Police Officer Lawyer | APO Defense Attorney
If you are accused of harming a member of law enforcement, contact a DC Assault on a Police Officer lawyer as quickly as possible.
washingtondccriminallawyer.net
To top it off in ole liberal dc Will, it is a freaking misdemeanor!!!!!!! In some cases. Should they be treated differently than other people found guilty of the same crimes in dc. We both know that comes with your ideological agenda. What happened and when they were released coincides with what likely would happen in every day dc courts and jails.
If he found a way to preemptively pardon all of these folks before Jan 20th four years ago, name who that president sounds like for 1000 Alex?
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ponder this. Imagine a world where trump preemptively pardoned all people who participated in January 6th, 2001. He had time. What would the outrage from the left have been then? How should we react to all the preemptive pardon coverups from Biden just now? I am actually curious about your answer. Not being obtuse. Genuinely curious if you see any parallels at all. If you guys think 1-6 was a bigger deal than a vp and president selling out his country. Or if giving a pass to individuals investigating 1-6 is as big a deal. One group is a bunch of knuckleheads who followed a mob. The other is supposed to be the adults in the room.
Zinger, when you tell me to look something up, it's suggested you do the same before calling me out.I can’t disagree with your last paragraph. It would have kept him from catching any grief for the most part. There is no doubt about that. Especially for a select few that he pardoned that should be staying in jail. But it is just a few imo.
I think we are having a major communication issue. I am not pointing to anyone and saying their sentence was unfair. I do believe there are people who did the tour only who have dealt with this for way too long. People who had to wait in jail for a period of time not meeting the crime really sucks. But they played a stupid game and won a stupid prize.
The maximum sentence for assaulting a police officer in dc is 10 years will. Read that please. 10 years. Look it up. It comes with being released early for good behavior. Paroled. Dc is one of the most liberal jurisdictions on the planet. A ton of these folks who assaulted police have been in jail or been dealing with this in their lives for four years. In dc, most of them would have already been cut loose in a normal case. That is my point. It is understandable outrage, but you are upset with something that for normal people found guilty of this would have already happened. First time offenders get 180 days. Please read the link below.
DC Assault On A Police Officer Lawyer | APO Defense Attorney
If you are accused of harming a member of law enforcement, contact a DC Assault on a Police Officer lawyer as quickly as possible.
To top it off in ole liberal dc Will, it is a freaking misdemeanor!!!!!!! Should they be treated differently than other people found guilty of the same crimes in dc. We both know that comes with your ideological agenda
All of the people found guilty of violent felonies for J6 were tried in the Federal court system, where the maximum sentence for assault a LEO with a weapon is twenty years, not ten. Also, there is no parole for Federal sentences. So just about everything you wrote in your last post is irrelevant.
AI alert:
The maximum federal sentence for assaulting a police officer is 20 years in prison. This sentence applies to cases of felony assault on a federal officer under 18 U.S.C. § 111(b), which involves either:
- Assault resulting in bodily injury to the officer
- Assault while using a dangerous or deadly weapon
It's important to note that the severity of the sentence can vary based on the specific circumstances of the assault:
- Simple assault (no physical contact or injury) carries a maximum of 1 year in jail
https://medvinlaw.com/federal-assault-on-law-enforcement-penalties-for-18-usc-111-charges/ - Felony assault with physical contact but without a weapon carries a maximum of 8 years in prison
https://medvinlaw.com/federal-assault-on-law-enforcement-penalties-for-18-usc-111-charges/
The actual sentence imposed may be influenced by factors such as the extent of injuries, the presence of weapons, and the offender's criminal history.
Your crying and whining falls on deaf ears because you are all in anti Trump while praising and supporting someone who was demonstrably worse, did horrible things, and was a disastrous president. Your use of far-left propaganda to prop up your view is a reminder that you have no unbiased thought. All you have done for the last 8 yrs is cry russia russia russia, (AND YOU WERE TOTALLY WRONG), Cry nazi nazi nazi (AND YOU ARE TOTALLY WRONG). Cry J/6, J/6, J/6, and while some few people carried it too far, most did nothing deserving of the penalties they received. In the past you remained totally silent on blm/antifa until called out then you say they are wrong, but you are not here daily crying about democrat pols supporting them and the lack of punishment for them. Showing again you are not truely worried about the rule of law or violence. Its just TDS, TDS, TDS.
Your side with all its tds and control of the media narrative, the presidency and the house, screwed up the country so bad you were thrown out on your ear. Nothing your president did was good for America. JUST LIKE YOU, all they could think of was getting the orange man. Its pitiful that you are still here crying. He will be done in 4 yrs. You should celebrate the fact that someone is in power now that actually loves America and its citizens. But since you are still here making post after post after post about how awful trump is, we are left to believe that you agreed with the bull crap policies of the biden admin. Open borders, unlimited abortion, ignoring Americans in need while sending billions upon billions overseas, pushing sexual perversion in elementary schools, ignoring the science about gender and all the pronoun woke bull skate, disastrous foreign policy, Iran/Isreal/Hamas and yes the Ukraine. The list is too long to continue but you get the idea.
Why aren't you here daily crying about the pardons biden gave? Because you don't really care in the big scheme of things. Now had they been given by trump, one wouldn't even be able to look at the site without seeing multiple post by you and the other tds sufferers. It gets really old.
I'm really worried about you. What will you have when his 4 yrs are up. Are you going to continue to cry about him after he is long gone? Will your life be empty? How will you explain your sadness and anger when the country is doing so well, and the border mess made by your past brain addled president and the failed candidate of this last election has been cleaned up? Who will you blame when he is gone? (rhetorical question) We know, it will be whatever republican is around because you NEVER come here and cry about the dim pols. You defended biden and kamala...... LMBO
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We haven’t had a back and forth in a while friend. We are obviously very rusty. My point is and has been that a normal citizen of dc committing the same crime would already likely be out. Of course it was tried in federal court. It was necessary and always going to be political. Which allowed them to drop the hammer even more.
Be mad will. Jan 6th was your baby. Your go to. Look at it like this. Now you still have some ammo left in the chamber. It brought you back to the board. When Trump lost we all kept posting. You guys all ran away when Biden lost. Glad to see back in the fray.
Another way to look at this for Trump is a final middle finger to the lawfare folks and all the people who came after him with both barrels. It is time to move on from 1-6. Move forward. He can focus on fixing all the shit that got broken over the last four years.
