Thank God. Trump restores our freedoms to

[willdup]

We haven’t had a back and forth in a while friend. We are obviously very rusty. My point is and has been that a normal citizen of dc committing the same crime would already likely be out. Of course it was tried in federal court. It was necessary and always going to be political. Which allowed them to drop the hammer even more.

These cases were tried in Federal court because that was the proper jurisdiction given where the crimes were committed and against whom. That's not even a question. You know, basic Rule of Law stuff.

Sounds like you are promoting a new (to me) conspiracy theory that the cases were steered to the Federal court system in an effort to make them more political. That's a solid one.

Be mad will. Jan 6th was your baby. Your go to. Look at it like this. Now you still have some ammo left in the chamber. It brought you back to the board. When Trump lost we all kept posting. You guys all ran away when Biden lost. Glad to see back in the fray.

I didn't run away; I determined that endless hours having the same conversations with the same people wasn't a productive use of my time. I've continued to lurk, and you are correct when you say anything J6 related will sucker me in. I think I've said what I wanted to say.

Another way to look at this for Trump is a final middle finger to the lawfare folks and all the people who came after him with both barrels. It is time to move on from 1-6. Move forward. He can focus on fixing all the shit that got broken over the last four years.

Well, we definitely agree that these pardons represent Trump giving the middle finger. I just happen to think that he is giving the middle finger to the 120+ LEOs who were injured defending the Capitol from the deranged mob who were trying to keep him in office after he lost the election.

He's also giving the middle finger to the Constitution, but that's old news with more of the same in the chamber.

Cheers.

 

[celticdawg]

ponder this. Imagine a world where trump preemptively pardoned all people who participated in January 6th, 2001. He had time. What would the outrage from the left have been then? How should we react to all the preemptive pardon coverups from Biden just now? I am actually curious about your answer. Not being obtuse. Genuinely curious if you see any parallels at all. If you guys think 1-6 was a bigger deal than a vp and president selling out his country. Or if giving a pass to individuals investigating 1-6 is as big a deal. One group is a bunch of knuckleheads who followed a mob. The other is supposed to be the adults in the room.

Thank you for answering my question - I'm sorry once again you didn't answer the question.

I'm not going to imagine something that didn't happen as there is plenty of things that did happen to deal with. Also, what do you mean he had time to pardon those who participated in Jan 6th? No one had most of the names at that time and I would think you would actually have to name people if you were going to pardon them, even before they are charged.

No, I don't see a parallel. The pardons issued to Jan 6th participants were actually for crimes they were convicted of (for the most part). You mentioned in another post about someone waiting in jail all this time. Did you not see my response to someone else yesterday, that the person they mentioned had delayed his own trial for two years? Of course I didn't get any response to that from the person who had posted it, which is par for the course.

I'm not defending Biden but I don't recall him being charged with anything (not that I'm a fan of these pardons). However, Trump was charged with crimes (which I think he was guilty of regarding the election and documents), but he has essentially been pardoned.

It's unfortunate that pardons were given to those who investigated Jan 6th, because they were doing their job. But that's the current state with the way Trump is headed. Revoking security clearances and removing protection for certain individuals is Trump trying to exercise power over everything to show he can. He's continuing to be a loose cannon (yes, we know the games he is up to). Today, he plans to "demand" that interest rates be lowered and who knows what tomorrow will bring.

I'm not going to argue these things any further as this is just as futile as it has been and more so with other posters than you. Many posters keep posting nonsense and won't engage in a discussion anyway. And when someone curses out Trump which is fair game, we have a "nutman" curse out the poster which is not fair game.

So you and others can just keep posting what you want.

 

[DTwnDawg]

FWIW, my post you quoted wasn't responding to you, as I quoted Troubadawg's post, not yours.


But, on Peltier, regardless of irregularities, he brutally murdered two FBI agents.





But, let's add a couple names who Biden also had released:

Michael Conahan. A Pennsylvania judge who sentenced children to private prisons for financial gain



Meera Sachdeva who provided cancer patients with diluted chemotherapy drugs. She also provided them with old needles, which resulted in one patient claiming to have gotten HIV from a needle used by her clinic.

REAL CRIMINALS

 

[zingerdawg]

Thank you for answering my question - I'm sorry once again you didn't answer the question.

I'm not going to imagine something that didn't happen as there is plenty of things that did happen to deal with. Also, what do you mean he had time to pardon those who participated in Jan 6th? No one had most of the names at that time and I would think you would actually have to name people if you were going to pardon them, even before they are charged.

No, I don't see a parallel. The pardons issued to Jan 6th participants were actually for crimes they were convicted of (for the most part). You mentioned in another post about someone waiting in jail all this time. Did you not see my response to someone else yesterday, that the person they mentioned had delayed his own trial for two years? Of course I didn't get any response to that from the person who had posted it, which is par for the course.

I'm not defending Biden but I don't recall him being charged with anything (not that I'm a fan of these pardons). However, Trump was charged with crimes (which I think he was guilty of regarding the election and documents), but he has essentially been pardoned.

It's unfortunate that pardons were given to those who investigated Jan 6th, because they were doing their job. But that's the current state with the way Trump is headed. Revoking security clearances and removing protection for certain individuals is Trump trying to exercise power over everything to show he can. He's continuing to be a loose cannon (yes, we know the games he is up to). Today, he plans to "demand" that interest rates be lowered and who knows what tomorrow will bring.

I'm not going to argue these things any further as this is just as futile as it has been and more so with other posters than you. Many posters keep posting nonsense and won't engage in a discussion anyway. And when someone curses out Trump which is fair game, we have a "nutman" curse out the poster which is not fair game.

So you and others can just keep posting what you want.

What question Celtic. Did I miss something you directed at me. I was just quoting a post from you to get your opinion. I didn’t think it was directed towards me. I appreciate the response.

If you accept a pardon. You are accepting guilt according to the Supreme Court. So Biden and his family all admitted guilt

 

[celticdawg]

What question Celtic. Did I miss something you directed at me. I was just quoting a post from you to get your opinion. I didn’t think it was directed towards me. I appreciate the response.

If you accept a pardon. You are accepting guilt according to the Supreme Court. So Biden and his family all admitted guilt

No, the question wasn't directed at you and if you just quoted it, no problem.

I know you are referring to a very old case where the SC made that statement. I'm not getting into the legal aspects, but I don't think it's clear that it set a precedent. If you want to call Biden guilty please go ahead. But if you are pardoned without formally being charged with a crime, what are you guilty of? Obviously doesn't apply to Hunter.

 

[superdawg51]

The J6ers were nothing short of Political prisoners. All were over charged and treated horribly. Rights of Due Process were violated. With the exception of Ashli Babbit's murder, here wasn't a crime committed that day that derserved a 4 year sentence..........and Micheal Byrd earned a promotion for pulling the trigger.

 

[cherrydawg]

No, the question wasn't directed at you and if you just quoted it, no problem.

I know you are referring to a very old case where the SC made that statement. I'm not getting into the legal aspects, but I don't think it's clear that it set a precedent. If you want to call Biden guilty please go ahead. But if you are pardoned without formally being charged with a crime, what are you guilty of? Obviously doesn't apply to Hunter.

Biden himself made the same statement. Look it up. He was talking about the possibility of Trump issuing pardons to his family, something tds sufferers suggested he might do before he left office. LOL you dims have a problem... Your pols actually do the stuff you accuse others of. But back to the point. Biden said in reference to the above mentioned hypothetical that it would indicate guilt if he did. So he indicated he and his family were guilty>>>> LMBO

Please keep crying about Trump. He and the pubs will try to clean up your party's messes if y'all stay busy crying and stay the heck out of the way.

 

[willdup]

The J6ers were nothing short of Political prisoners. All were over charged and treated horribly. Rights of Due Process were violated. With the exception of Ashli Babbit's murder, here wasn't a crime committed that day that derserved a 4 year sentence..........and Micheal Byrd earned a promotion for pulling the trigger.

And is your view based on anything other than your opinion and a desire to defend Trump’s choice to pardon?

Federal guidelines for aggravated assault on a police officer is up to twenty years. Assault without a weapon is up to eight years. Your arbitrary determination that three years or less is plenty seems entirely invented by you.

 

[atlanta cock#]

And is your view based on anything other than your opinion and a desire to defend Trump’s choice to pardon?

Federal guidelines for aggravated assault on a police officer is up to twenty years. Assault without a weapon is up to eight years. Your arbitrary determination that three years or less is plenty seems entirely invented by you.

The sanctimony of imbeciles is nauseating. The overwhelming majority of these ppl were sent up the river by highly biased prosecutors and juries who are jet fueled by TDS. No different than blacks falsely accused of harming whites in Jim Crow rural AL and MS.

 

[cherrydawg]

And is your view based on anything other than your opinion and a desire to defend Trump’s choice to pardon?

Federal guidelines for aggravated assault on a police officer is up to twenty years. Assault without a weapon is up to eight years. Your arbitrary determination that three years or less is plenty seems entirely invented by you.

are your views based on anything other than your tds?

 

[cherrydawg]

Just let me say right here, their are a handful of the j/6ers that I would have preferred he not pardon. But, it is not the issue snowflake dims make it out to be, especially in light of what your boy biden did. LMBO Dims are a sad sad lot. Their whole lives centered on hypocrisy and crying about trump.

And is your view based on anything other than your opinion and a desire to defend Trump’s choice to pardon?

Federal guidelines for aggravated assault on a police officer is up to twenty years. Assault without a weapon is up to eight years. Your arbitrary determination that three years or less is plenty seems entirely invented by you.

your assumption that 3 yrs isn't enough is entirely invented by you. Your crying that hunters laptop was nothing was entirely invented by the media, the dims and you. Your russia russia russia crying was entirely invented by hilary, dims, media and you. Nazi nazi nazi crying, entirely invented by dims, media and you. You have tried to make anything the dims cry and whine on about trump a mountain when it is really a mole hill or nothing at all, and you, like the dims, have been WRONG EVERYTIME.

Again I ask, WHY DON'T YOU POST MULTIPLE TIMES A DAY ABOUT BIDENS PARDONS??? Again its a rhetorical question. We know the answer. Only thing I can't figure is why you insist on embarrassing yourself over and over and over. In the immortal words of Elsa,,,, let it go, just let it go.

 

[poochpup]

drive a stun-gun into the necks of cops.

At a press conference today, a question was asked-

“You would agree that it’s never acceptable to assault a police officer?”

“Sure,” Trump replied.

“So, then if I can, among those you pardoned, D.J. Rodriguez, he drove a stun gun into the neck of a D.C. police officer who was abducted by the mob that day,” the reporter noted. “He later confessed on video to the FBI and pleaded guilty for his crimes. Why does he deserve a pardon?”

“Well, I don’t know,” Trump replied. “Was it a pardon? Because we’re looking at commutes and we’re looking at pardons.”

It was clarified that Trump hadn’t commuted Rodriguez’s sentence, but pardoned him outright. Trump responded by saying, “We’ll take a look at everything.”

I admit I don't know ANY facts about all those arrested and jailed. I do know, like everything, the devil is always in the details. And both sides make statements that are true; half-true; or completely false. Some of those arrested were just on the grounds with the protestors and were sentenced for years. While it's true there was violence, the left kept repeating over and over how people were killed by the mob - when that was absolutely not true. It is true a woman was killed by a police officer. There was also violence from the police. Ask yourself, no matter your view, WHY did the J6 committee shred all evidence? That usually is an indicator there is something to hide to the average person. I think we will be talking about this for a long time.

 

[superdawg51]

Really? The 300 or so rioters who were storming the Capitol to stop certification and were just pardoned for violent felonies were defending themselves? A+.

Tempers flared for sure that day and the capital was breached ( I use that term lightly, it was more like invited in) but I find it laughable that some think there was an actual plan to stop the certification of the vote. 🤣
I guess we’ll never know the real truth of what happened that day because the J6 committee was so sure in their evidence that they destroyed it. 🙄

 

[stray]

I think this thread proves the point that if Trump were to try and pardon each person 1 by 1 how tedious that would be. Politicians would argue over each every person to distract and delay justice.
We know(some of us won’t admit) the vast majority of these people were bullied, over-charged and over sentenced for acts they may or may not have committed. The defense each of these people would have needed to fight these charges would have started at a cool million. Almost none of these people could have afforded that.
Prosecutors arrested people who may have trespassed and then added felonies to force them to plead to the lessor charges. This way they get a quick conviction. Attorneys the tell their clients they will get probation or a month in jail. Most people would and did agreed to take the lessor charge. Then they got serious prison time from some of these judges.
It was all horrendous and it makes no sense to waist the next 4 years trying to tease out which ones who got a fair trial and a fair charging and a fair sentence because there are very few.

“it’s better that 10 guilty men go free than 1 innocent man go to jail”

 

[willdup]

I think this thread proves the point that if Trump were to try and pardon each person 1 by 1 how tedious that would be. Politicians would argue over each every person to distract and delay justice.
We know(some of us won’t admit) the vast majority of these people were bullied, over-charged and over sentenced for acts they may or may not have committed. The defense each of these people would have needed to fight these charges would have started at a cool million. Almost none of these people could have afforded that.
Prosecutors arrested people who may have trespassed and then added felonies to force them to plead to the lessor charges. This way they get a quick conviction. Attorneys the tell their clients they will get probation or a month in jail. Most people would and did agreed to take the lessor charge. Then they got serious prison time from some of these judges.
It was all horrendous and it makes no sense to waist the next 4 years trying to tease out which ones who got a fair trial and a fair charging and a fair sentence because there are very few.

“it’s better that 10 guilty men go free than 1 innocent man go to jail”

So many accusations, so little proof or actual examples of unfair sentences. And by little I mean none.

The only person in this entire embarrassment worthy of admiration is the 71 year old woman who is refusing to accept the pardon. She served sixty days and admits she broke the law and deserved the punishment.

Taking a pardon now in light of her actions, Hemphill said, "would be a slap in the face to the Capitol police officers, to the rule of law and to our whole nation."

"I would be contributing to their false propaganda that they continue to gaslight the nation and everyone, that it was a peaceful protest."

When Trump commented that her sentencing was "HORRIBLE!," Hemphill responded "Please @realDonaldTrump don't be using me for anything, I'm not a victim of Jan6, I pleaded guilty because I was guilty! #StopTheSpin."

Jan. 6 defendant Pamela Hemphill turns down Trump's pardon

https://www.npr.org/2025/01/23/g-s1-44457/pamela-hemphill-trump-pardon-jan-6-capitol-attack

 

[ThreeDawgNight]

drive a stun-gun into the necks of cops.

At a press conference today, a question was asked-

“You would agree that it’s never acceptable to assault a police officer?”

“Sure,” Trump replied.

“So, then if I can, among those you pardoned, D.J. Rodriguez, he drove a stun gun into the neck of a D.C. police officer who was abducted by the mob that day,” the reporter noted. “He later confessed on video to the FBI and pleaded guilty for his crimes. Why does he deserve a pardon?”

“Well, I don’t know,” Trump replied. “Was it a pardon? Because we’re looking at commutes and we’re looking at pardons.”

It was clarified that Trump hadn’t commuted Rodriguez’s sentence, but pardoned him outright. Trump responded by saying, “We’ll take a look at everything.”

You have four years of misery coming if all you libs are going to do is focus on Jan. 6. Y'all continue wallowing in your misery while Trump continues to WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[poochpup]

I think this thread proves the point that if Trump were to try and pardon each person 1 by 1 how tedious that would be. Politicians would argue over each every person to distract and delay justice.
We know(some of us won’t admit) the vast majority of these people were bullied, over-charged and over sentenced for acts they may or may not have committed. The defense each of these people would have needed to fight these charges would have started at a cool million. Almost none of these people could have afforded that.
Prosecutors arrested people who may have trespassed and then added felonies to force them to plead to the lessor charges. This way they get a quick conviction. Attorneys the tell their clients they will get probation or a month in jail. Most people would and did agreed to take the lessor charge. Then they got serious prison time from some of these judges.
It was all horrendous and it makes no sense to waist the next 4 years trying to tease out which ones who got a fair trial and a fair charging and a fair sentence because there are very few.

“it’s better that 10 guilty men go free than 1 innocent man go to jail”

Amen