This is how to handle a rogue Dem Gov

[MarcusBarcus]

Serious question. Do you really think this exchange made Trump look good?

The tenther in me agrees with you. This is the kind of issue (e.g. how close to a school can you build a strip joint?; can you sell likka by the drank on Sunday?, etc.) that is typically decided at the state or local level.
Do I think boys who think they are actually girls need to be running track against actual legit girls just because they “identify” as a girl?
Heck to the no. I think they need a Psychiatrist.
However, if the weirdos in Maine want to participate in that ridiculous charade, then, by all means, have at it.
Expect fierce opposition from me when some weirdo parents send their confused kid with nuts and whiskers out to run track against my future granddaughters in Georgia.
Yes, President Trump has overstepped on this issue.

 

[Dirty Hairy Dawg]

The tenther in me agrees with you. This is the kind of issue (e.g. how close to a school can you build a strip joint?; can you sell likka by the drank on Sunday?, etc.) that is typically decided at the state or local level.
Do I think boys who think they are actually girls need to be running track against actual legit girls just because they “identify” as a girl?
Heck to the no. I think they need a Psychiatrist.
However, if the weirdos in Maine want to participate in that ridiculous charade, then, by all means, have at it.
Expect fierce opposition from me when some weirdo parents send their confused kid with nuts end whiskers out to run track against my future granddaughters in Georgia.
Yes, President Trump has overstepped on this issue.

Trump's EO is simply returning the interpretation of Title IX back to the pre Biden interpretation. It's not Trump's EO vs Maine state law, it's Maine's state law vs Title IX.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/politics/...r-over-trans-inclusion-in-sports/ar-AA1zxAy5#

https://www.edweek.org/policy-polit...fect-amid-a-confusing-legal-landscape/2024/07

 

[jpzd33]

I agree with your first point, and I’m about as LGBTQ friendly as one can be.

EOs and federal law are not the same thing. The governor of Maine said that she would comply with state and federal law. Trump said “we are federal law” and threatened to withhold funding and she said we can settle it in court, which is exactly where the enforceability of EOs is usually settled.

Trump is a classic bully. He called the governor of Maine out for a reason and I think the fact that the governor is a female is not a coincidence. He tried to publicly intimidate her and she responded calmly and accurately regarding how the issue would be resolved. Trump knew he was going to call her out and she didn’t and still she came across as confident and competent. Who wins the eventual court case is not material to these observations.

I agree with most of your last paragraph, in as much as I agree that roughly half the country will take Trumps numerous and obvious lies and treat them as the truth. Sure, there is also half the country inclined to treat what Trump says as lies, but equating the two groups is ignoring the scope and scale of Trump’s lies and his lies matter.

Every single comment Trump made about Ukraine last week was a lie. Every single one. Who started the war, who was responsible for the continuation of the war, how much aid we have provided, who was a dictator, who could end the war today. All while not saying a single word critical of Putin.

He lied about 2020. He’s now completely rewritten J6 and said, verbatim, that the protestors were the victims. He lied about condoms for Hamas. He lied saying the US is the only country with birthright citizenship, he lied about California water policy, he lied about who negotiated the 2018 trade pact that he is now trashing, he lied about autism rates, and that’s just in the first thirty days.

DOGE is claiming to have found $55b in savings and the WSJ can only identify $2.6b. Only 2% of that is related to DEI. In the mean time, life saving aid and critical medical research has been decimated.

Noteworthy that he is currently telling big lies about his approval rating.

Nothing I listed above represents a gray area or is debatable. They were obvious and provable lies.

I realize I’ve expanded the scope of this discussion. But it’s relevant to the degree that Trump attempts to bully his way into an alternate truth, and in this case it didn’t work. She was 100% correct to say it would be settled in court. Trump wants to use intimidation to get his way and I don’t think it’s going to work. We should expect to see a lot more public pushback from state leaders, the press and common citizens, who have been making their voices heard at GOP congressional town halls across the country this weekend.

They both agreed to settle it in court. Trump specifically said he looks forward to it. He said this is federal law. It is. Just as EOs by Obama and Biden etc were federal law as long as the courts did not overturn them. It is up to the courts to overturn it. Until then, it is federal law.

And yes Trump lied about the election. He still does. He lost 100000%. No mass cheating happened. He lost. He's a douschbag for lying about it 10000%. He does not lie any worse than any other politician, nor does he "bully" anymoreso than other politicians. Did Obama not threaten to cut funding to red states over trans and bathrooms? Or was it not bullying cause it was Obama? Did Obama not tell the entire nation that they could keep their medical insurance if they wanted? Or was it not lying cause it was Obama?

The biggest lie of all is that Trump lies more or is more immoral than any other politician. He doesn't lie less and he is not more moral, they are all epic scumbags.

A lot of this went way off topic. The original point being, the precedent of Maine NOT following the law is dangerous. She chose to NOT follow the law before going to the courts. She did not contest the legality of the EO through the court system first. Same thing that NY is doing. It is a dangerous message that "We do not have to follow the law if we do not agree with it" It is just as childish as Trump continuing to lie about 2020.