ADVERTISEMENT

"This is what happens when someone appeases barbarians"

Serious, ok, let's start with cutting off weapons to Ukraine, saying Ukraine started the war, throwing Zelensky out of the White House which shows Putin he can do anything he damn well wants, etc.
None of that tells Putin that he’s got free rein. Trump has said multiple times he wants to negotiate peace and get both parties to the table. Unfortunately, Zelensky has been just as stubborn as Putin when it comes to peace talks. So my question is, if Trump is trying to appease Russia, what about Trump announcing possible sanctions on Russia?
 
Serious, ok, let's start with cutting off weapons to Ukraine, saying Ukraine started the war, throwing Zelensky out of the White House which shows Putin he can do anything he damn well wants, etc.
Lawdy mercy, you libs believe all the wrong things for all the wrong reasons.
 
Correlation isn’t causation. Putin’s aggression predates Trump and thrives under any US posture, including Obama’s and Biden’s. Tusk’s comment oversimplifies Trump’s strategy. Putin has hit civilians before, under Biden. Who did you blame then? Did you even notice?

Trump armed Ukraine with Javelins, sanctioned over 700 Russian targets, and threatened banking sanctions and tariffs unless Putin accepts a ceasefire.

That’s not appeasement (e.g., Chamberlain ceding land to Hitler). It’s pragmatic pressure. Russia’s attacks after Trump’s words suggest Putin’s testing him. But Trump’s is trying to balance diplomacy and muscle. Putin’s aggression isn’t Trump’s doing, it’s Putin being Putin. Trump’s trying to end the war and your other comments demonstrate either a misunderstanding of what's happening or a woefully biased view towards anything Trump does.
 
Correlation isn’t causation. Putin’s aggression predates Trump and thrives under any US posture, including Obama’s and Biden’s. Tusk’s comment oversimplifies Trump’s strategy. Putin has hit civilians before, under Biden. Who did you blame then? Did you even notice?

Trump armed Ukraine with Javelins, sanctioned over 700 Russian targets, and threatened banking sanctions and tariffs unless Putin accepts a ceasefire.

That’s not appeasement (e.g., Chamberlain ceding land to Hitler). It’s pragmatic pressure. Russia’s attacks after Trump’s words suggest Putin’s testing him. But Trump’s is trying to balance diplomacy and muscle. Putin’s aggression isn’t Trump’s doing, it’s Putin being Putin. Trump’s trying to end the war and your other comments demonstrate either a misunderstanding of what's happening or a woefully biased view towards anything Trump does.
I’d say the latter is true lol
 
Polish Prime Minister after Russia bombed the hell out of Ukrainian civilians Friday night, killing more than ten people.

He is, of course, referring to the Orange Jesus, and he is right.
all Eurpope has to do is step up and protect Ukrain, didn't they say they were going to do that? They don't need our money or weapons.
 
Polish Prime Minister after Russia bombed the hell out of Ukrainian civilians Friday night, killing more than ten people.

He is, of course, referring to the Orange Jesus, and he is right.

unimpressed michael keaton GIF
 
  • Like
Reactions: DawglegrightinSC
They definitely need our money and weapons.
The status quo is not working and costing a thousand lives a week. And the status quo in terms of continued American support is exactly what is keeping Zalenski from having any urgency whatsoever to talk peace. A lever had to be pulled to remind him why they haven’t already been wiped out. Ultimately there will be no peace until Z gets to the table.

In a perfect world we bully Putin and Ukraine wins the War. The problem is the only way Ukraine can win would require literally risking nuclear War. It is an imperfect World….Ukraine is not in NATO. A peace deal needs to be negotiated. Every life lost at this point is totally needless in an unwinnable War.
 
Are you arguing that Putin's actions can be held against others, due to their own words and choices? I'm not sure you've considered the full implications of your logic, here.
 
The status quo is not working and costing a thousand lives a week. And the status quo in terms of continued American support is exactly what is keeping Zalenski from having any urgency whatsoever to talk peace. A lever had to be pulled to remind him why they haven’t already been wiped out. Ultimately there will be no peace until Z gets to the table.

In a perfect world we bully Putin and Ukraine wins the War. The problem is the only way Ukraine can win would require literally risking nuclear War. It is an imperfect World….Ukraine is not in NATO. A peace deal needs to be negotiated. Every life lost at this point is totally needless in an unwinnable War.
Sharing intelligence for air defense is not a high cost and by withholding it Trump is basically aiding the Russian missile attacks on civilians and infrastructure.

It pisses Trump off royally that Zelenskyy has not made him look like a hero by accepting near complete capitulation.
 
  • Like
Reactions: dawgfood0612
Sharing intelligence for air defense is not a high cost and by withholding it Trump is basically aiding the Russian missile attacks on civilians and infrastructure.

It pisses Trump off royally that Zelenskyy has not made him look like a hero by accepting near complete capitulation.
Zelensky resisted announcing an unwarranted investigation into the Bidens that Trump wanted and threatened the withholding of aid in an effort to prompt. This led directly to Trump’s first impeachment.

His ire towards Zelensky predates anything that has happened in the last two months.
 
Zelensky resisted announcing an unwarranted investigation into the Bidens that Trump wanted and threatened the withholding of aid in an effort to prompt. This led directly to Trump’s first impeachment.

His ire towards Zelensky predates anything that has happened in the last two months.
I agree with all of these statements except UNWARRANTED. The Biden’s did have some shady dealings in Ukraine. Regardless, Trump’s behavior was questionable at best in 2019-2020 related to this issue. If zelensky would have signed the mineral deal and shut his mouth last week we might have a cease fire by now. I think all these statements are true
 
Serious, ok, let's start with cutting off weapons to Ukraine, saying Ukraine started the war, throwing Zelensky out of the White House which shows Putin he can do anything he damn well wants, etc.
How have Trump’s discussions with Putin go?

And do you think Putin needed anyone’s permission, during a war, to bomb anyone? Ukraine and Russia are in a war. They have been killing each other for the last two years.

The term appease is not in Trump’s vocabulary.

The white house meeting had nothing to do with it. My goodness the idiotic ramblings of globalist propaganda.

And our libs absorb it like Asorbene Junior.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Athens is Heaven
What is your solution? Killing Russians?
They dont have a solution. I’ve challenged numerous Dems on here numerous times..like their terrible failing polling party leadership, they have ZERO ideas? NOT ONE DEM on here has given their opinion on how to end the war. Just to whine about what “Orange Jesus” is doing…lol
 
  • Like
Reactions: PotimusWillie
ADVERTISEMENT
ADVERTISEMENT