interesting to see recent Trump loyalist Billionaire
Bill Ackman
sharing this fact check of Trump's Ukraine claims
SMDH
Bill Ackman
sharing this fact check of Trump's Ukraine claims
SMDH
Trump just flat wrong with his nonsense about Ukraine
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but, but, but...at least we don't have to worry about pronouns in email signatures!!
Trump isn’t just lying about Ukraine, he is directly parroting Kremlin propaganda (Zelensky’s 4% approval rating). Anyone who can’t admit that is either a fool or knowingly supports Russia.
How much would have been spent if the Ukraine war never happened?
This war started under Joe’s watch and because of his incompetence. I say let the man try to fix it. Some of us are tired of funding endless wars. Screeching at every statement he makes is just partisan noise.
Does anyone really think that Kamala would have even tried. Joe left a helluva mess on the world stage to clean up.
Does anyone really think that Kamala would have even tried. Joe left a helluva mess on the world stage to clean up.
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Pretty sure Trump knows what Trump wants. End the war, no U.S or NATO boots on the ground, end the subsidizing of an unwinnable war.
Pretty sure Trump knows what Putin wants and that Putin will negotiate for territory and a security agreement even though he's not desperate to stop the war.
Not sure Trump knows what Zelensky realistically wants and may feel Zelensky is comfortable fighting a defensive war amd being a global celebrity as long as hundreds of billions pour into his coffers. My guess is Trump feels like Zelensky needs a little shove towards negotiating and Trump is more interested in results than recording an accurate historic record of events.
At this point the options aren't good but the best outcome for the U.S. is an end to the hostilities, interrupting the growing bond between Russia, China and Iran as well restarting the Ukrainian economy. We're at egg breaking time now and in the process of trying to make an omelet.
Pretty sure Trump knows what Putin wants and that Putin will negotiate for territory and a security agreement even though he's not desperate to stop the war.
Not sure Trump knows what Zelensky realistically wants and may feel Zelensky is comfortable fighting a defensive war amd being a global celebrity as long as hundreds of billions pour into his coffers. My guess is Trump feels like Zelensky needs a little shove towards negotiating and Trump is more interested in results than recording an accurate historic record of events.
At this point the options aren't good but the best outcome for the U.S. is an end to the hostilities, interrupting the growing bond between Russia, China and Iran as well restarting the Ukrainian economy. We're at egg breaking time now and in the process of trying to make an omelet.
I agree, Trump usually has a plan or an angle and uses hyperbole to push people. It will be interesting to see how this ends, but he is at least addressing it and working to end it.
Bill O’reilly does a great job of explaining the comments in context and how media(once again) uses them out of context to try and bash Trump.
Hey big guy, wasn't it your re re of a president who sent all the cash money? Wasn't he the Pres when the invasion happened? I read somewhere he was. Just asking.
I believe he’s cutting Ukraine out. After US spending, giving them, some $300 billion or more, they didn’t agree to rare earth (not the band) concessions. They want to keep it for themselves. We’ll negotiate on their behalf because they’re not getting any more money and they can rebuild themselves. It’s inevitable that the fighting stop unless Europe pays the freight and that ain’t gonna happen
Exactly. Democrats were complaining about inflation a week and a half after Trump took office. FT.
I wouldn’t get my info. about current events from Trump. Lol. I don’t know if he makes it up, or just gets all his “info.” from Twitter, or what. The useful idiot idea is easy to see.
That’s a stupid take. Bill completely ignores the Truth Social posted by Trump that included all of the lies and propaganda. Are we blaming the media for Trump’s post, which was extremely clear in its messaging?
Also, Bill parrots the lie that we have spent over $300b in support of Ukraine when the actual number is roughly half that.
But other than that, great video.
Trump asked Ukraine to sign over half of all of their mineral rights directly to the US. Let’s ignore the fact that the EU has contributed more to Ukraine than we have, or the fact that no country in history has ever made such an outlandish deal under duress like that.
And again, the number isn’t $300b, it’s $160b, which is of course still a lot of money. But why lie about it?
Did you know that Zelensky didn’t dismiss the demand outright, but asked for better future security guarantees? Why would Zelensky sign over half of their rare earth mineral rights without future security guarantees? It’s almost as if the offer was not made in good faith.
Ukraine Rejects Trump’s Proposal for Mineral Rights | OilPrice.com
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy has rejected a U.S. proposal to acquire a significant stake in Ukraine's mineral resources, demanding stronger security guarantees instead.
oilprice.com
“However, Zelenskyy is seeking better terms, including U.S. and European security guarantees. Trump's proposal did not include provisions for future assistance, which Zelenskyy deems necessary. Zelenskyy's team has developed an offer for a mineral partnership in exchange for security guarantees, which was announced earlier this month.”
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No, it’s at least $220 billion, and I accounted for the “Biden” factor.That’s a stupid take. Bill completely ignores the Truth Social posted by Trump that included all of the lies and propaganda. Are we blaming the media for Trump’s post, that was extremely clear in its messaging?
Also, Bill parrots the lie that we have spent over $300b in support of Ukraine when the actual number is roughly half that.
But other than that, great video.
Trump asked Ukraine to sign over half of all of their mineral rights directly to the US. Let’s ignore the fact that the EU has contributed more to Ukraine than we have, or the fact that no country in history has ever made such an outlandish deal under duress like that.
And again, the number isn’t $300b, it’s $160b, which is of course still a lot of money. But why lie about it?
Did you know that Zelensky didn’t dismiss the demand outright, but asked for better future security guarantees? Why would Zelensky sign over half of their rare earth mineral rights without future security guarantees? It’s almost as if the offer was not made in good faith.
Ukraine Rejects Trump’s Proposal for Mineral Rights | OilPrice.com
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy has rejected a U.S. proposal to acquire a significant stake in Ukraine's mineral resources, demanding stronger security guarantees instead.
“However, Zelenskyy is seeking better terms, including U.S. and European security guarantees. Trump's proposal did not include provisions for future assistance, which Zelenskyy deems necessary. Zelenskyy's team has developed an offer for a mineral partnership in exchange for security guarantees, which was announced earlier this month.”
So I was $15b short as the number is $175b.
Happy to review whatever your source is.
How Much U.S. Aid Is Going to Ukraine?
Nine charts illustrate the extraordinary level of support the United States has provided Ukraine in its war against Russian invaders.
www.cfr.org
What I find hilarious in all this is you Dems criticizing Trump , while for 3 years the Biden Administration did literally NOTHING. In Ukraine or Israel.
So as far as Im concerned, SHUT TF UP and let the man try and broker a peace deal.
So as far as Im concerned, SHUT TF UP and let the man try and broker a peace deal.
Zelinsky.So I was $15b short as the number is $175b.
Happy to review whatever your source is.
How Much U.S. Aid Is Going to Ukraine?
Nine charts illustrate the extraordinary level of support the United States has provided Ukraine in its war against Russian invaders.
You and I both know that we have no idea how much we have given Ukraine . The Bidens lied about everything so that fact that you believe these "numbers" is on you.That’s a stupid take. Bill completely ignores the Truth Social posted by Trump that included all of the lies and propaganda. Are we blaming the media for Trump’s post, which was extremely clear in its messaging?
Also, Bill parrots the lie that we have spent over $300b in support of Ukraine when the actual number is roughly half that.
But other than that, great video.
Trump asked Ukraine to sign over half of all of their mineral rights directly to the US. Let’s ignore the fact that the EU has contributed more to Ukraine than we have, or the fact that no country in history has ever made such an outlandish deal under duress like that.
And again, the number isn’t $300b, it’s $160b, which is of course still a lot of money. But why lie about it?
Did you know that Zelensky didn’t dismiss the demand outright, but asked for better future security guarantees? Why would Zelensky sign over half of their rare earth mineral rights without future security guarantees? It’s almost as if the offer was not made in good faith.
Ukraine Rejects Trump’s Proposal for Mineral Rights | OilPrice.com
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy has rejected a U.S. proposal to acquire a significant stake in Ukraine's mineral resources, demanding stronger security guarantees instead.
“However, Zelenskyy is seeking better terms, including U.S. and European security guarantees. Trump's proposal did not include provisions for future assistance, which Zelenskyy deems necessary. Zelenskyy's team has developed an offer for a mineral partnership in exchange for security guarantees, which was announced earlier this month.”
OK. Have a link for that?
The article I shared provides details by each round of funding, when and how much as well as what the funds were used for. If you don’t have something similar I’ll assume it’s more propaganda.
Also, even if it was the right number, $220b isn’t $300b. Does Trump not know this very important number?
That is a fact the lefties have quickly forgotten. The lack of ability to post accurate numbers about anything. If sending less to the Ukraine looks better for them, well you can probably bank on that number rising. Used to love the job report numbers. Watching Will and others stick their chest out. Only to have a massive correction a few weeks later to have to digest. The last one was so bad it almost made it thru past Election Day. It was historically one of the worst job reports ever. Passed off as one of the best. Why would we have any reason not to trust their numbers? Right?
Oh don’t slow down the libtards thread.
They don’t understand winning. Except for men winning in girl’s sports
let’s revisit in 2 months. Another impossible situation handed off from previous administration.
Welcome back........you were missed.
Harris wins tonight
Abortion rights too important for women. Saw this in 2022 when the red wave didn’t happen… now, more is on the line. Trump campaign increasing rhetoric on being rigged, election stolen, the same bs we have heard for 4 years. He knows he is in trouble. Too many look back to the chaos that was...
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People in this thread are actively dodging facts and throwing DEI insults to compensate for their blind faith in Trump. Meanwhile, a man is out here cozying up with Russia, and others are trying to spin him as a genius executing a power play. There's a reason, folks, that Putin loves Trump.
People in this thread are actively dodging facts and throwing DEI insults to compensate for their blind faith in Trump. Meanwhile, a man is out here cozying up with Russia, and others are trying to spin him as a genius executing a power play. There's a reason, folks, that Putin loves Trump.
Hey Einstein, How come Biden never ever not once tried to negotiate a deal? When you figure it out , let us know......
People in this thread are actively dodging facts and throwing DEI insults to compensate for their blind faith in Trump. Meanwhile, a man is out here cozying up with Russia, and others are trying to spin him as a genius executing a power play. There's a reason, folks, that Putin loves Trump.
This is likely because he realized that no negotiation could plausibly impact the American people and our allies without further strengthening a power-hungry Russia. Any legitimate Republican would be turning over in their grave if they saw the state of the Party in 2025.
But please you let me know about the inner workings of international politics because you obviously have experience and know what you're talking about right?
Well, seeing as how Russia has already won this war 2 years ago, and most Americans are now tired of us funding this war, I would say Republicans just spoke loud and clear on Nov 5th. There is no way this thing ends without Russia getting most of what they want.
So you're saying that an active, historical enemy of the United States—one that has never had our best interests in mind—should be allowed to stake its claim while we bend to its will, further muddling our already shaky relationship with our European allies? Mind you, we have funded Ukraine through military infrastructure, but in total, we are not the top contributor. According to US News, "The U.S. has committed 0.55% of its GDP toward Ukraine aid, which falls below the percentages committed by Germany (1.31%), the U.K. (0.93%), and Canada (0.67%)."
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-co...ntries-have-committed-the-most-aid-to-ukraine
Most Republicans have spoken up clearly in doing their jobs. The political ramifications for opposing Trump are more of an indictment on the state of the party than anything else. I suspect these voices value their pensions and prospects for future office more than the consequences of their actions—and I can say that this is true on both sides. Moreover, Republicans are starting to speak out.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2025/02/19/trump-ukraine-republican-senators/
“Vladimir Putin is a gangster. He's a gangster with a black heart. He makes Jeffrey Dahmer look like Mother Teresa. He has Stalin's taste for blood.”
There are only a few ways wars end. The aggressor could get bored and fed up with the loses and walk away. The USSR did this in Afghanistan but only after 10 yrs of fighting for something much less than the interest they have in the Ukraine. I don't think there is an appetite for funding a 10 yr war in hopes Russia will walk away.
There is total war with a total victory that results in surrender. I don't think anyone desires that type of war with a nuclear power. Then there is a negotiated settlement.
It is absolutely in the best interest of the U.S. for this thing to be settled diplomatically as soon as possible and get to work rebuilding the Ukrainian economy. Yeah, Putin is a tyrant and regime change would be wonderful but you'd better be damn willing to pay the cost of executing the massive offenses it would take to chase him out of power. The fact that Putin is the devil just means you have to deal with that devil if you can't kill him.
I personally think Trump is wrong on his dealings with the Ukraine so far ( an enemy of my enemy is my friend ). With that said the Democratic Party is in the worst shape it has been in years with approvals below 30%. They just can't keep supporting illegal immigration, men in women's sports, teaching gender identity in grammar school, etc. that flies in the face of an overwhelming majority of voters of both parties.
Respectfully, I have no interest in debating personal feelings about any of that. My issue right now is our approach to dealing with our allies and Russia, as well as the blind cuts we are making with little to no factual basis for improvement. The only thing I will say is that I wholeheartedly agree with you on the lost identity of the Democratic Party.
If it weren't for the fact that we cozied up with Putin and spouted Russian rhetoric, I would consider agreeing with this approach. The issue is that we have actively taken on the responsibility to end the war. In doing so, we have neglected major allies who likely have a vested interest in pursuing the same goal. This misconception—that we will "win" negotiations and that violence is the only means by which we can effect change—is far-fetched.
Negotiation is great, but why have we seemingly lost our identity and fidelity in achieving it?
The major allies who contribute so little? We are alone, except Australia
Per my last post,
"Mind you, we have funded Ukraine through military infrastructure, but in total, we are not the top contributor. According to US News, "The U.S. has committed 0.55% of its GDP toward Ukraine aid, which falls below the percentages committed by Germany (1.31%), the U.K. (0.93%), and Canada (0.67%)."
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-co...ntries-have-committed-the-most-aid-to-ukraine
Check my source for credibility. You will see in the second chart the collective funds given by the EU.
As of 09/24 US GNP = $7,340,000,000,000 x.0131 = $96 billion and we are in for at least $200 billion.
US GDP is over $30 trillion. Germany’s is over $4 trillion. Apples/oranges. The US also contributed an inordinate amount to NATO, defending Taiwan and the Pacific, etc.
Scary trying math even with a calculator when you’re retired. I’m out of practice and may have missed something
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Where are you getting these numbers from? I have even more recent for you.
As of January 20th, 2025
"To date, we have provided $65.9 billion in military assistance since Russia launched its premeditated, unprovoked, and brutal full-scale invasion of Ukraine on February 24, 2022, and approximately $69.2 billion in military assistance since Russia’s initial invasion of Ukraine in 2014. "
Mind you, money allocated doesn't mean that money has been sent.
"As of recent estimates, the United States has spent over $100 billion on foreign aid to Ukraine since the conflict began in 2022. This total includes a mix of military, economic, and humanitarian assistance." This is taking into account the most recent invasions impact on spending and to be fair we can say around 125 billion.
Your numbers seem speculative to say the least. The fixed percentage of our GNP is bound to fluctuate. The means by which my last point was made came only through what was the reality factually.
See the whole post. I edit as I go.
www.statista.com
The US has given a great deal. More than Europe combined, and we don’t even live there. That’s all I’m saying. And I’m not sure if some of the Euro money isn’t a loan.
Infographic: The Countries Sending the Most Aid to Ukraine
This chart shows the countries which have committed the most aid to Ukraine, by type, from January 2022 to December 2024.
www.statista.com
The US has given a great deal. More than Europe combined, and we don’t even live there. That’s all I’m saying. And I’m not sure if some of the Euro money isn’t a loan.
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