Trump just flat wrong with his nonsense about Ukraine

[Georgia Knight]

So you're saying that an active, historical enemy of the United States—one that has never had our best interests in mind—should be allowed to stake its claim while we bend to its will, further muddling our already shaky relationship with our European allies? Mind you, we have funded Ukraine through military infrastructure, but in total, we are not the top contributor. According to US News, "The U.S. has committed 0.55% of its GDP toward Ukraine aid, which falls below the percentages committed by Germany (1.31%), the U.K. (0.93%), and Canada (0.67%)."
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-co...ntries-have-committed-the-most-aid-to-ukraine

Most Republicans have spoken up clearly in doing their jobs. The political ramifications for opposing Trump are more of an indictment on the state of the party than anything else. I suspect these voices value their pensions and prospects for future office more than the consequences of their actions—and I can say that this is true on both sides. Moreover, Republicans are starting to speak out.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2025/02/19/trump-ukraine-republican-senators/
“Vladimir Putin is a gangster. He's a gangster with a black heart. He makes Jeffrey Dahmer look like Mother Teresa. He has Stalin's taste for blood.”

Condemning Putin is not, in itself, foreign policy. That is emotion, note statecraft.

What both Biden and the EU have done is financial support and extend a war without any plan for resolution. Will Putin get concessions as the result of this conflict? Yes. That's what happens when you win a war. Moral outrage doesn't change that.

What is unfortunate for the Ukrainian people is that they have long had a government more interested in its own grift than its own self-defense. Now Putin certainly played a role in that, via Russia's actively meddling in Ukrainian politics (as was our own), but the result was a political entity that was largely a tool for foreign powers, not an entity for its own national self-interest.

I have no fondness for Putin, I have great sympathy for Ukrainians (particularly the nationalists) but war isn't about virtue, it's about power - and short of escalation on behalf of NATO, drawing us into direct conflict with Russia - Russia has the more powerful hand.

 

[Georgia Knight]

If it weren't for the fact that we cozied up with Putin and spouted Russian rhetoric, I would consider agreeing with this approach. The issue is that we have actively taken on the responsibility to end the war. In doing so, we have neglected major allies who likely have a vested interest in pursuing the same goal. This misconception—that we will "win" negotiations and that violence is the only means by which we can effect change—is far-fetched.

Negotiation is great, but why have we seemingly lost our identity and fidelity in achieving it?

What major allies are those?

 

[Jetplane94]

What major allies are those?

The EU and NATO off the top of my head.

 

[DawglegrightinSC]

Per my last post,

"Mind you, we have funded Ukraine through military infrastructure, but in total, we are not the top contributor. According to US News, "The U.S. has committed 0.55% of its GDP toward Ukraine aid, which falls below the percentages committed by Germany (1.31%), the U.K. (0.93%), and Canada (0.67%)."
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-co...ntries-have-committed-the-most-aid-to-ukraine

Check my source for credibility. You will see in the second chart the collective funds given by the EU.

Maybe not the top contributor as a percentage of our GDP but we have shelled out more money than anyone dollar for dollar. None of these countries you listed are close to ours in GDP so using a percentage of GDP is not a good measure.

This is in Europe's back yard and they should be doing more to help Ukraine if that is what they choose. This war should have never happened. Ukraine is partially to blame for the war as is the US. This does not excuse Russia but neither Ukraine nor Russia are good actors and we should not be spending a dime to help either part.

 

[Georgia Knight]

The EU and NATO off the top of my head.

They are largely one in the same, but is the EU truly an ally?

The politics of the EU is one of rising authoritarian technocracy and national self-destruction. They want to regulate and control our companies and censor our citizens. Now within Europe there are indeed true allies, but the EU itself is a disaster. They also have effectively outsourced their defense spending to the United States, at our own financial burden.

As far as NATO goes, the only one of significance outside of the EU is Turkey, which is certainly a substantial power - but also a nation interested in their own forms of genocide with the Kurds and the Armenians, and hardly the most reliable ally America has.

None of this is to say that we should break relations with any of these actors, but lets not pretend that they are either equals or great bastions of moral virtue.

 

[Jetplane94]

Condemning Putin is not, in itself, foreign policy. That is emotion, note statecraft.

What both Biden and the EU have done is financial support and extend a war without any plan for resolution. Will Putin get concessions as the result of this conflict? Yes. That's what happens when you win a war. Moral outrage doesn't change that.

What is unfortunate for the Ukrainian people is that they have long had a government more interested in its own grift than its own self-defense. Now Putin certainly played a role in that, via Russia's actively meddling in Ukrainian politics (as was our own), but the result was a political entity that was largely a tool for foreign powers, not an entity for its own national self-interest.

I have no fondness for Putin, I have great sympathy for Ukrainians (particularly the nationalists) but war isn't about virtue, it's about power - and short of escalation on behalf of NATO, drawing us into direct conflict with Russia - Russia has the more powerful hand

I don't disagree that we need to amend our spending in Ukraine—I can concede it is overtly too much—but we've also strayed from my original point. That is, what negotiation methods is Trump projecting? Blasting propaganda about an international enemy into the American press seems much more like manipulation by Putin.

 

[Jetplane94]

They are largely one in the same, but is the EU truly an ally?

The politics of the EU is one of rising authoritarian technocracy and national self-destruction. They want to regulate and control our companies and censor our citizens. Now within Europe there are indeed true allies, but the EU itself is a disaster. They also have effectively outsourced their defense spending to the United States, at our own financial burden.

As far as NATO goes, the only one of significance outside of the EU is Turkey, which is certainly a substantial power - but also a nation interested in their own forms of genocide with the Kurds and the Armenians, and hardly the most reliable ally America has.

None of this is to say that we should break relations with any of these actors, but lets not pretend that they are either equals or great bastions of moral virtue.

It seems much more a matter of opinion and interpretation than fact. I concede that we both have our own positions regarding the nature of our relationship and its significance. We can't let our emotions drive our discourse when it comes to statecraft.

 

[Georgia Knight]

I don't disagree that we need to amend our spending in Ukraine—I can concede it is overtly too much—but we've also strayed from my original point. That is, what negotiation methods is Trump projecting? Blasting propaganda about an international enemy into the American press seems much more like manipulation by Putin.

I think Trump's attacks on Zelensky are less about negotiations with Putin and more about anger over Zelensky's comments about him and general frustrations with Ukraine regarding the broader conversation of peace talks. Zelensky wants to be treated as an equal, and he's not and he has personally played the situation poorly.

Now I do think there is a valid concern about the viability of the peace if the Ukrainians feel completely slighted in the process, but I also think that is why the "Zelensky is a dictator" line has particular importance. I think whatever peace deal is arranged will, in short order, result in a new head of the Ukrainian state, and I would expect that the next Ukrainian president will be General Valerii Zaluzhnyi, who is even more of a hardliner than Zelensky.

If so, ultimately the much larger issue than the immediate cease fire will be how Zaluzhnyi governs. We could either see a repeat of what helped lead to the conflict, Kyiv support for Ukrianian small scale assaults on Russians, or the development of a competent state led by a war hero.

 

[Georgia Knight]

It seems much more a matter of opinion and interpretation than fact. I concede that we both have our own positions regarding the nature of our relationship and its significance. We can't let our emotions drive our discourse when it comes to statecraft.

I agree that we should be as sober in dealing with the EU as we are with Moscow.

I also concede that my depiction of the EU is certainly driven by interpretation (I think much of what I said is factual, but I recognize that one can view the EU's regulation and censorship as a positive or negative based on one's ideology). I would also state, though, that my interpretation of the EU seems to be one shared by Vance (and Musk), which I think has relevance in terms of how the Administration sees the broader topic of diplomacy in the region.

 

[litedawg1968]

The EU and NATO off the top of my head.

The EU is not our ally. They use us and we have allowed it. That shit is over, as you can tell by JD Vances speech last week. As far as NATO goes, you could say they were the cause of the Ukraine invasion to begin with.

If the EU were our ally they would stop the migration and the censorship and join us , but they wont.

 

[Georgia Knight]

The EU is not our ally. They use us and we have allowed it. That shit is over, as you can tell by JD Vances speech last week. As far as NATO goes, you could say they were the cause of the Ukraine invasion to begin with.

If the EU were our ally they would stop the migration and the censorship and join us , but they wont.

To be fair, I think the NATO aspect of the invasion is overstated by people I usually agree with.

Putin made it pretty clear in his interview with Tucker Carlson that the primary interest in Ukraine was its historic ties to Russia. He made this point explicitly, even with Tucker (who I'm a fan of) tried to get him to go that direction. It would have been in Putin's cynical self interest to go along with this narrative, and he didn't, so I think there is reason to take that seriously.

I say that not to defend NATO, but simply because I think there is value in appreciating the complexity of the conflict.

 

[Dawgdocindosta]

My knowledge of this situation is only what I read - so that means I am underinformed to say the least. But I really only see a few outcomes to this situation.
100% commitment from USA/NATO and put our men on their soil - that isn’t going to happen.
Keep sending them money and weapons with the knowledge they cannot win a war of attrition and that the “war machine” of the Russian economy can somewhat benefit from that economically.
Completely abandon Ukraine and let nature take its course - not a reasonable action imo. At worst they become a Russian state overnight. At best civil war reigns between the eastern and western halves of Ukraine.
Negotiate a division of the land among the beliefs of the people. Nobody seems to remember that eastern Ukraine is very pro Russia and, in fact, welcomed the Russian soldiers in on day one with practically no shots fired. This must accompany an agreement that Ukraine will never be a member of NATO (which, in part, started this whole mess).
Just one guys opinion. And I admit to being anything but an expert on this subject.

 

[Georgia Knight]

My knowledge of this situation is only what I read - so that means I am underinformed to say the least. But I really only see a few outcomes to this situation.
100% commitment from USA/NATO and put our men on their soil - that isn’t going to happen.
Keep sending them money and weapons with the knowledge they cannot win a war of attrition and that the “war machine” of the Russian economy can somewhat benefit from that economically.
Completely abandon Ukraine and let nature take its course - not a reasonable action imo. At worst they become a Russian state overnight. At best civil war reigns between the eastern and western halves of Ukraine.
Negotiate a division of the land among the beliefs of the people. Nobody seems to remember that eastern Ukraine is very pro Russia and, in fact, welcomed the Russian soldiers in on day one with practically no shots fired. This must accompany an agreement that Ukraine will never be a member of NATO (which, in part, started this whole mess).
Just one guys opinion. And I admit to being anything but an expert on this subject.

You grasp the situation better than most "experts."

 

[Georgia Knight]

It is also worth acknowledging that the US did totally screw over Ukraine, going back to the 90s where we convinced Kyiv to give up nukes in exchanged for a security promise that was never going to age particularly well.

Ukraine is a sad example of

1) the ravages of the USSR (whose Russian migration policies play a major role in the Russian influence of Eastern Ukraine, beyond it's general genocidal policies)
2) the incompetence of the late USSR (such as giving Kyiv Crimea, which was never really Ukrainian - the ethnic natives were Tartars who were also ethnically replaced by Russians)
3) the hubris of post-Cold War America that thought you could create an international order with "security guarantees" as if matters of war could be easily replaced with politics
4) the incompetence of its own government
5) the aggression of Putin and his desire to Make Russia Great Again

The question, for America, is a broader one which is Washington having the wisdom to recognize its limitations and to act with greater sobriety on the world stage, particularly since our own incompetent government has eroded our own nation to the point that we do not have the resources to be a true global hegemon (ignoring whether or not that is a good thing for Americans.)

 

[ugaboz]

If it weren't for the fact that we cozied up with Putin and spouted Russian rhetoric, I would consider agreeing with this approach. The issue is that we have actively taken on the responsibility to end the war. In doing so, we have neglected major allies who likely have a vested interest in pursuing the same goal. This misconception—that we will "win" negotiations and that violence is the only means by which we can effect change—is far-fetched.

Negotiation is great, but why have we seemingly lost our identity and fidelity in achieving it?

You have to keep enemies in your back pocket.
one month in and folks are wanting miracles lol
he has done more in one month than biden and company did in 4 years
the fact that anything he does rubs libs the wrong way
he will never be right about anything according to the left
the chat is a perfect example

 

[cherrydawg]

Per my last post,

"Mind you, we have funded Ukraine through military infrastructure, but in total, we are not the top contributor. According to US News, "The U.S. has committed 0.55% of its GDP toward Ukraine aid, which falls below the percentages committed by Germany (1.31%), the U.K. (0.93%), and Canada (0.67%)."
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-co...ntries-have-committed-the-most-aid-to-ukraine

Check my source for credibility. You will see in the second chart the collective funds given by the EU.

The reason you are so ill-informed is easy to spot. You have listed us news and wapo as your sources. You have no idea what the truth about anything is.

You may enjoy paying taxes and sending billions upon billions to Ukraine and paying for illegals etc etc. But I don't, Stop sending money yesterday. If Ukraine and Europe want to fight it out with Russia go right ahead. You guys with your TDS are insufferable. Why where you so happy with biden and his realtionship and payoffs from china? You don't really care about American security. You just don't like orange man because wapo and the liberal dimocrat party can't stand someone standing up for Americans.

 

[ClydeDawg]

This is likely because he realized that no negotiation could plausibly impact the American people and our allies without further strengthening a power-hungry Russia. Any legitimate Republican would be turning over in their grave if they saw the state of the Party in 2025.

But please you let me know about the inner workings of international politics because you obviously have experience and know what you're talking about right?

So let's keep sending billions over there. Great idea.

 

[doerunn]

What I find hilarious in all this is you Dems criticizing Trump , while for 3 years the Biden Administration did literally NOTHING. In Ukraine or Israel.

So as far as Im concerned, SHUT TF UP and let the man try and broker a peace deal.

All these war mongers need to get all of their family, pick up arms and join the fight in Ukraine.

 

[doerunn]

The reason you are so ill-informed is easy to spot. You have listed us news and wapo as your sources. You have no idea what the truth about anything is.

You may enjoy paying taxes and sending billions upon billions to Ukraine and paying for illegals etc etc. But I don't, Stop sending money yesterday. If Ukraine and Europe want to fight it out with Russia go right ahead. You guys with your TDS are insufferable. Why where you so happy with biden and his realtionship and payoffs from china? You don't really care about American security. You just don't like orange man because wapo and the liberal dimocrat party can't stand someone standing up for Americans.

But, the dims messiah obummer, elegantly stated that the 80's called and wanted their foreign policy back. smdh oh tell vlad when i get reelected i'll have more leeway.

 

[Jetplane94]

You have to keep enemies in your back pocket.
one month in and folks are wanting miracles lol
he has done more in one month than biden and company did in 4 years
the fact that anything he does rubs libs the wrong way
he will never be right about anything according to the left
the chat is a perfect example

You try to minimize it by reducing everything to a right-versus-left issue, which is annoying. I believe there is an ethical and political path that preserves our American identity. Are there things Trump does with which I don't fundamentally agree? Absolutely. However, I'm not blinded by party rage. I have to make these choices on my own volition and with confidence. Just because I don't agree doesn't mean I'm wishing ill upon my nation; on the contrary, I want what is best. My criticism stems from the fact that I don't believe some of these choices have been for the best—which is my right as an American citizen. 😀

 

[Jetplane94]

The reason you are so ill-informed is easy to spot. You have listed us news and wapo as your sources. You have no idea what the truth about anything is.

You may enjoy paying taxes and sending billions upon billions to Ukraine and paying for illegals etc etc. But I don't, Stop sending money yesterday. If Ukraine and Europe want to fight it out with Russia go right ahead. You guys with your TDS are insufferable. Why where you so happy with biden and his realtionship and payoffs from china? You don't really care about American security. You just don't like orange man because wapo and the liberal dimocrat party can't stand someone standing up for Americans.

And who informs you? I try my best to find a moderate news source, but as you know, many outlets on both ends of the spectrum have their own agendas. Would you have preferred that I post CNN or NPR? Are you getting your news from Fox and MSNBC? I love how you spoke on my behalf about what I want and believe without ever truly asking. I would engage in a back-and-forth, but at the end of the day, I prefer to speak cordially—and you seem far too emotional to do so. Have a great morning, and go Dawgs!

 

[LrgK9]

They are largely one in the same, but is the EU truly an ally?

The politics of the EU is one of rising authoritarian technocracy and national self-destruction. They want to regulate and control our companies and censor our citizens. Now within Europe there are indeed true allies, but the EU itself is a disaster. They also have effectively outsourced their defense spending to the United States, at our own financial burden.

As far as NATO goes, the only one of significance outside of the EU is Turkey, which is certainly a substantial power - but also a nation interested in their own forms of genocide with the Kurds and the Armenians, and hardly the most reliable ally America has.

None of this is to say that we should break relations with any of these actors, but lets not pretend that they are either equals or great bastions of moral virtue.

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[NotSilverBritches]

while for 3 years the Biden Administration did literally NOTHING. In Ukraine or Israel.

You mean other than give both a metric shit ton of weaponry to fight 2 entities that wish us ill?

 

[elderdawg]

I think Trump ought to echo the plan of Clinton and NATO had back in the '90s, that stopped the genocide occurring in Yugoslavia. Just go in, separate the different cultures at war, and divide up the country, which they did.

In Ukraine we have a similar situation. With Western Ukraine, who supported the Nazis in WW2, and the mostly ethnic Eastern Ukrainians who fought the Nazis. Since the overthrow of the elected president in 2014, the Neo-Nazis in Western Ukraine started a war of genocide against the Eastern ethnic Russians. So split them up and stop the killing. If it was accepted by the leftists in the USA for Yugoslavia in the 90s, it should be accepted now by them.

 

[NotSilverBritches]

I think Trump ought to echo the plan of Clinton and NATO had back in the '90s, that stopped the genocide occurring in Yugoslavia. Just go in, separate the different cultures at war, and divide up the country, which they did.

In Ukraine we have a similar situation. With Western Ukraine, who supported the Nazis in WW2, and the mostly ethnic Eastern Ukrainians who fought the Nazis. Since the overthrow of the elected president in 2014, the Neo-Nazis in Western Ukraine started a war of genocide against the Eastern ethnic Russians. So split them up and stop the killing. If it was accepted by the leftists in the USA for Yugoslavia in the 90s, it should be accepted now by them.

In and of itself not a terrible idea but the situations aren’t comparable. None of the players in the Balkans were nuclear powers attempting a naked land grab. It was ethnic.

Second, you think NATO is going to fall in line behind Trump anytime soon?

 

[litedawg1968]

You mean other than give both a metric shit ton of weaponry to fight 2 entities that wish us ill?

I was referring to asking for peace talks.

They never did that. Thanks for sharing.

 

[NotSilverBritches]

I was referring to asking for peace talks.

They never did that. Thanks for sharing.

What are you talking about? Blinken was working on a deal in Israel right up until Trump was sworn in.

 

[litedawg1968]

Blinken was working on a deal in Israel up until Trump was sworn in.

 

[litedawg1968]

What are you talking about? Blinken was working on a deal in Israel right up until Trump was sworn in.

How about Ukraine? They supposedly had an agreement 2 years and Biden sent Boris Johnson to talk Zelenskyy out of it. Why would they do that? My guess is because they are warmongering ghouls and were hoping for regime change in Russia. Howd that work out?

 

[NotSilverBritches]

Keep moving that goal line buddy.

 

[litedawg1968]

Keep moving that goal line buddy.

Why didn’t Biden say release the hostages or we strike you ? Gtfoh w this crap.

Btw your article is from August . Do better .

 

[NotSilverBritches]

How about Ukraine? They supposedly had an agreement 2 years and Biden sent Boris Johnson to talk Zelenskyy out of it. Why would they do that? My guess is because they are warmongering ghouls and were hoping for regime change in Russia. Howd that work out?

Oh, the Biden Administration was much more hawkish in Ukraine. And Russia has been degraded to such an extent that they had to resort to conscripting prisoners, using DPRK soldiers, breaking out mothballed Soviet hardware, and could no longer prop up the genocide in Syria.

So, pretty well in my book.

 

[NotSilverBritches]

Why didn’t Biden say release the hostages or we strike you ? Gtfoh w this crap.

Sorta feel like Israel had that covered.

 

[litedawg1968]

Sorta feel like Israel had that covered.

You didn’t answer the question.

 

[NotSilverBritches]

You didn’t answer the question.

So wait, are you mad because Biden didn’t ask for peace talks (which is so untrue I don’t know what else to tell you) or are you mad that Biden didn’t threaten to bomb Hamas/Palestine back to the stone ages unless they released the hostages? Which is it?

 

[litedawg1968]

So wait, are you mad because Biden didn’t ask for peace talks (which is so untrue I don’t know what else to tell you) or are you mad that Biden didn’t threaten to bomb Hamas/Palestine back to the stone ages unless they released the hostages? Which is it?

I guess you could say Im upset that Biden was so freaking weak that he really got nothing done and made all this infinitely worse. We were funding both sides of a war, which is moronic at best. I find it amazing that Trump can threaten them and they listen and yet nobody listened the the Biden regime. Weak men dont get respected.

 

[willdup]

I think Trump ought to echo the plan of Clinton and NATO had back in the '90s, that stopped the genocide occurring in Yugoslavia. Just go in, separate the different cultures at war, and divide up the country, which they did.

In Ukraine we have a similar situation. With Western Ukraine, who supported the Nazis in WW2, and the mostly ethnic Eastern Ukrainians who fought the Nazis. Since the overthrow of the elected president in 2014, the Neo-Nazis in Western Ukraine started a war of genocide against the Eastern ethnic Russians. So split them up and stop the killing. If it was accepted by the leftists in the USA for Yugoslavia in the 90s, it should be accepted now by them.

To the degree that it’s even relevant in this discussion, your characterization of the Ukrainian population during WW2 is a gross mischaracterization of what actually happened.

First, Ukraine was occupied and subjugated by the Soviets, and Stalin intentionally starved millions of Ukrainians during the 1932-33 Holodomor. As such, there were some Ukrainian nationalists who embraced the Nazis primarily as a potential catalyst to end Soviet domination. But it’s not fair in any way to say the “western Ukraine supported the Nazis”.

Here’s more detail if you are interested, although I’ll say again that this has nominal impact on what’s happening today.

AI alert:

During World War II, Ukraine was not an independent country; it was part of the Soviet Union. The situation in Ukraine during the war was complex, with different groups taking different positions.

1. **Soviet Ukraine** – The majority of Ukrainians fought as part of the Soviet Red Army against Nazi Germany. Millions of Ukrainians served in the Soviet military, and Ukraine suffered immense destruction under Nazi occupation.

2. **Nazi Occupation** – When Nazi Germany invaded the Soviet Union in 1941, they occupied Ukraine, committing mass atrocities, including the Holocaust and the deliberate starvation of millions of people.

3. **Ukrainian Nationalist Movements** – Some Ukrainian nationalist groups, such as the **Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists (OUN)** and the **Ukrainian Insurgent Army (UPA)**, initially cooperated with the Nazis in hopes of gaining independence from the Soviet Union. However, their relationship with the Nazis was complicated. The Nazis did not support Ukrainian independence, and they later turned against these groups. The UPA eventually fought both the Nazis and the Soviets.

4. **Collaboration** – As in many occupied countries, some Ukrainians collaborated with the Nazis, joining auxiliary police forces and participating in war crimes, including the Holocaust. However, collaboration was not unique to Ukraine; similar events occurred in many occupied European nations.

5. **Resistance** – Many Ukrainians also actively resisted the Nazis, whether as part of Soviet partisan movements or other anti-German resistance efforts.

In short, Ukraine as a nation did not "support the Nazis" during World War II. While some nationalist factions initially sought an alliance with Germany against the Soviet Union, Ukraine was primarily a victim of both Nazi and Soviet oppression, and most Ukrainians fought against Nazi Germany as part of the Soviet Union.

 

[elderdawg]

None of the players in the Balkans were nuclear powers attempting a naked land grab. It was ethnic.

The "naked land grab" is maybe Putin taking back Russian territory they had had for centuries, before Ukraine was even a country, to stop the genocide of the Russian population there, and getting the overland connection they needed to their centuries old warm water port, also occupied by ethnic Russians, along with 20k Russian troops (no need for a "Russian invasion" there).

 

[NotSilverBritches]

I guess you could say Im upset that Biden was so freaking weak that he really got nothing done and made all this infinitely worse. We were funding both sides of a war, which is moronic at best. I find it amazing that Trump can threaten them and they listen and yet nobody listened the the Biden regime. Weak men dont get respected.

Don't get me wrong. I don't think Biden handled it well. I think he was trying to walk an impossible line of keeping Israel happy(ish) and keeping the conflict from broadening, which was a very real possibility. When you straddle the fence, you're going to piss everybody off.

But I would be reluctant to give Trump too much credit here. The ceasefire was already in place by the time he took office, and I think getting to that point is the lion's share of the task. Proposing ethnic cleansing, and then doubling down on it every time he's asked about it, is not going to be productive.

 

[NotSilverBritches]

The "naked land grab" is maybe Putin taking back Russian territory they had had for centuries, before Ukraine was even a country, to stop the genocide of the Russian population there, and getting the overland connection they needed to their centuries old warm water port, also occupied by ethnic Russians, along with 20k Russian troops (no need for a "Russian invasion" there).

Sorry, Comrade.

Under this theory, let's lay down our arms if France invades Louisiana. Maybe roll out the red carpet if Trump's BFF wants Alaska back.