What is the narrative for how Harris will win?

[Dawg 'n IT]

Serious question in the subject line.

Our POTUS elections sometimes have modest increases in voters for both major parties in the same year, but 2020 was unique. Almost 22 million more voters participated than 2016.

2004 saw almost a 17 million voter participant increase, likely driven primarily by being the 1st election after 9/11.

The 2020 motivation was all about Trump. The popular narrative was that people were motivated to get him out including traditional GOP voters crossing over to Biden resulting in 81 million votes which significantly topped Hilary's almost 66 million votes in 2016 and Obama's 69 million votes in 2008.

It makes sense that the combination of new voters and GOP crossovers could drive Biden's total so high. Well, except for 1 minor inconvenience. Trump's 74 million topped his almost 63 million vote performance in 2016.

If the narrative was that Americans were motivated to replace Trump to the tune of new voters and crossovers going hard for Biden, where did 11 million more voters come from for Trump?

The logic has never made sense, but let's not get caught up in the validity of those numbers today. Instead, let's discuss what the motivation will be for Harris to pull off a win given that:

1. Trump's popularity is at an all-time high.
2. Harris is part of the Biden administration.
3. Voters didn't support Harris in 2020 when they had the chance to make her POTUS.

We know that X amount of voters will vote D while Y will vote R no matter who is involved. Those people are just noise.

Can someone list the Harris accomplishments over the past 3.5 years that will motivate crossovers and new voters to turn out for her in 2024?

Keep in mind that Biden was the VP of one of the most popular POTUS in history, not as measured by official approval ratings, but more about cultural impact and having the attention of the people. Obama and Trump are a lot alike when you look at it from a love/hate perspective of being lightning rods for the extremes.

Biden had the advantage of being the older "retired" politician 1 term removed from service. He was a salvation option for those voting against Trump.

Harris is the VP of a POTUS who is being doubted by his own party. She's been mostly invisible as VP with the most negative perception since Quayle.

Once this initial media spin cycle wears off, what will carry her across the finish line?

I have a feeling the strange days aren't over yet. Nothing is settled, even within the Democratic party.

 

[MillDawg]

the machines will provide the votes, just like 2020

 

[MillDawg]

Serious question in the subject line.

Our POTUS elections sometimes have modest increases in voters for both major parties in the same year, but 2020 was unique. Almost 22 million more voters participated than 2016.

2004 saw almost a 17 million voter participant increase, likely driven primarily by being the 1st election after 9/11.

The 2020 motivation was all about Trump. The popular narrative was that people were motivated to get him out including traditional GOP voters crossing over to Biden resulting in 81 million votes which significantly topped Hilary's almost 66 million votes in 2016 and Obama's 69 million votes in 2008.

It makes sense that the combination of new voters and GOP crossovers could drive Biden's total so high. Well, except for 1 minor inconvenience. Trump's 74 million topped his almost 63 million vote performance in 2016.

If the narrative was that Americans were motivated to replace Trump to the tune of new voters and crossovers going hard for Biden, where did 11 million more voters come from for Trump?

The logic has never made sense, but let's not get caught up in the validity of those numbers today. Instead, let's discuss what the motivation will be for Harris to pull off a win given that:

1. Trump's popularity is at an all-time high.
2. Harris is part of the Biden administration.
3. Voters didn't support Harris in 2020 when they had the chance to make her POTUS.

We know that X amount of voters will vote D while Y will vote R no matter who is involved. Those people are just noise.

Can someone list the Harris accomplishments over the past 3.5 years that will motivate crossovers and new voters to turn out for her in 2024?

Keep in mind that Biden was the VP of one of the most popular POTUS in history, not as measured by official approval ratings, but more about cultural impact and having the attention of the people. Obama and Trump are a lot alike when you look at it from a love/hate perspective of being lightning rods for the extremes.

Biden had the advantage of being the older "retired" politician 1 term removed from service. He was a salvation option for those voting against Trump.

Harris is the VP of a POTUS who is being doubted by his own party. She's been mostly invisible as VP with the most negative perception since Quayle.

Once this initial media spin cycle wears off, what will carry her across the finish line?

I have a feeling the strange days aren't over yet. Nothing is settled, even within the Democratic party.

sorry to be so flippant. You put a lot of thought and analysis to this, but nothing we have seen shows that these elections are real. You don't see "logic" play out. Why would SO many people vote against their best interest? Good economy, no wars, less regulation, less taxes. There is no rational thought even with a lot of voters.

 

[Double Deuce Dawg]

sorry to be so flippant. You put a lot of thought and analysis to this, but nothing we have seen shows that these elections are real. You don't see "logic" play out. Why would SO many people vote against their best interest? Good economy, no wars, less regulation, less taxes. There is no rational thought even with a lot of voters.

LOL....you have a much higher expectation for Dems than I do......to answer your question.....ignorance & stupidity come to mind in regards to why people vote against their best interests.

 

[Dawg 'n IT]

sorry to be so flippant. You put a lot of thought and analysis to this, but nothing we have seen shows that these elections are real. You don't see "logic" play out. Why would SO many people vote against their best interest? Good economy, no wars, less regulation, less taxes. There is no rational thought even with a lot of voters.

People smoke, people drink and drive, people gamble when they cannot afford it...

People doing stuff against their own best interests is the norm.

 

[seatonsdawgs]

sorry to be so flippant. You put a lot of thought and analysis to this, but nothing we have seen shows that these elections are real. You don't see "logic" play out. Why would SO many people vote against their best interest? Good economy, no wars, less regulation, less taxes. There is no rational thought even with a lot of voters.

Because they vote with their feelings and ignorant righteousness…

 

[oldmandawg]

the machines will provide the votes, just like 2020

Yep. Trump's not running against Kamala, he's running against the system.

 

[richb1]

sorry to be so flippant. You put a lot of thought and analysis to this, but nothing we have seen shows that these elections are real. You don't see "logic" play out. Why would SO many people vote against their best interest? Good economy, no wars, less regulation, less taxes. There is no rational thought even with a lot of voters.

It seems more and more clear to me that a large part of the younger generation does not think rationally. And the enthusiasm of that segment of the population will be much greater for Harris than Biden, and that can make a difference in a number of states. She will have the media behind her rewriting her history, she will get no tough questions, and they will twist anything Trump says the least bit untoward as sexist and/or racist, and both Obama's will campaign like heck for her.

If you look carefully at most of the polls when Biden tanked, it was Biden's numbers going down more than Trump's going up. So the race likely reverts back to what it was pre debate.

If Trump can control himself, which is a big if, he still should be the favorite to win and the electoral college still in his favor. He can lose the popular vote by 2 points and still win. But I worry the enthusiasm has increased among some of the young and far left for Harris vv Biden, and Trump will trip himself up (and the media will show those trips over and over) and piss off some of the voters who went for Biden last time and are supporting him now.

It's pretty depressing, actually

 

[OriginalGatorHator]

It’s pretty simple, a large number of people hate Trump and the democrat voting machine has in no way been countered by republicans.

The way Trump wins is if his base, the ignored white working class from middle America, gets out and votes. It’s why Trump should quit worrying about chasing constituents who will never vote for him.

 

[Dawg 'n IT]

It’s pretty simple, a large number of people hate Trump and the democrat voting machine has in no way been countered by republicans.

The way Trump wins is if his base, the ignored white working class from middle America, gets out and votes. It’s why Trump should quit worrying about chasing constituents who will never vote for him.

But even this narrative isn't completely true.

As mentioned in the OP, if Trump's base is what you said and a significant portion of that base went for Biden, where did the extra 11 million votes come from? People were motivated for Trump in 2016 and supposedly backed off in 2020, yet his support went up significantly.

To add to that, the GOP was moving on from Trump and yet here we are in 2024 with him being the nominee without any meaningful opposition. He earned the nomination almost as easily as being the incumbent.

Reality tells a much different story than all the popular narratives.

Interesting times we live in.

 

[atlanta cock#]

Serious question in the subject line.

Our POTUS elections sometimes have modest increases in voters for both major parties in the same year, but 2020 was unique. Almost 22 million more voters participated than 2016.

2004 saw almost a 17 million voter participant increase, likely driven primarily by being the 1st election after 9/11.

The 2020 motivation was all about Trump. The popular narrative was that people were motivated to get him out including traditional GOP voters crossing over to Biden resulting in 81 million votes which significantly topped Hilary's almost 66 million votes in 2016 and Obama's 69 million votes in 2008.

It makes sense that the combination of new voters and GOP crossovers could drive Biden's total so high. Well, except for 1 minor inconvenience. Trump's 74 million topped his almost 63 million vote performance in 2016.

If the narrative was that Americans were motivated to replace Trump to the tune of new voters and crossovers going hard for Biden, where did 11 million more voters come from for Trump?

The logic has never made sense, but let's not get caught up in the validity of those numbers today. Instead, let's discuss what the motivation will be for Harris to pull off a win given that:

1. Trump's popularity is at an all-time high.
2. Harris is part of the Biden administration.
3. Voters didn't support Harris in 2020 when they had the chance to make her POTUS.

We know that X amount of voters will vote D while Y will vote R no matter who is involved. Those people are just noise.

Can someone list the Harris accomplishments over the past 3.5 years that will motivate crossovers and new voters to turn out for her in 2024?

Keep in mind that Biden was the VP of one of the most popular POTUS in history, not as measured by official approval ratings, but more about cultural impact and having the attention of the people. Obama and Trump are a lot alike when you look at it from a love/hate perspective of being lightning rods for the extremes.

Biden had the advantage of being the older "retired" politician 1 term removed from service. He was a salvation option for those voting against Trump.

Harris is the VP of a POTUS who is being doubted by his own party. She's been mostly invisible as VP with the most negative perception since Quayle.

Once this initial media spin cycle wears off, what will carry her across the finish line?

I have a feeling the strange days aren't over yet. Nothing is settled, even within the Democratic party.

Legacy media will lie for her. That's the plan.

 

[BlessedDawg]

The most unpopular VP in recent history will suddenly change her stripes and become the most qualified, experienced, beloved candidate ever with the help of the MSM. It’s not just the GOP against the DEMS. They control the mass media and it’s already started with claims that Harris wasn’t in charge of the border.

 

[DawgWCK]

Legacy media will lie for her. That's the plan.

View embedded media

Having Musk own twitter is really a help for Trump in 2024 VS 2020. Moreover, don't suspect Zuckleburg is going to drop his $ 400 million this time to "get out the vote" or "fill out the absentee ballot" or whatever you call it either. Not sure this is directly related to this thread but your post reminded me of these two items.

 

[MillDawg]

The most unpopular VP in recent history will suddenly change her stripes and become the most qualified, experienced, beloved candidate ever with the help of the MSM. It’s not just the GOP against the DEMS. They control the mass media and it’s already started with claims that Harris wasn’t in charge of the border.

well two weeks ago Biden was "sharp as a tack"

 

[d-dawg]

It’s probably good that Kamala has been put in the role as nominee now. Once the dust settles, voters will see the real Kamala. She is a terrible campaigner and not likable at all.

Kamala has a shot because of low information voters that get their information from major news outlets and never really look at the issues.

 

[nice marmot]

It’s why Trump should quit worrying about chasing constituents who will never vote for him.

But he doesn't have the votes. He has to make the pie higher somehow.

 

[blackpug6]

People smoke, people drink and drive, people gamble when they cannot afford it...

People doing stuff against their own best interests is the norm.

that is a horrible narrative.
then again,
that's your mo, eh?

why do you hate me?



like popeye
"I am what I am!"

I know whose ass I may kick this afternoon!
you may want to duck.

 

[nice marmot]

It seems more and more clear to me that a large part of the younger generation does not think rationally. And the enthusiasm of that segment of the population will be much greater for Harris than Biden, and that can make a difference in a number of states. She will have the media behind her rewriting her history, she will get no tough questions, and they will twist anything Trump says the least bit untoward as sexist and/or racist, and both Obama's will campaign like heck for her.

If you look carefully at most of the polls when Biden tanked, it was Biden's numbers going down more than Trump's going up. So the race likely reverts back to what it was pre debate.

If Trump can control himself, which is a big if, he still should be the favorite to win and the electoral college still in his favor. He can lose the popular vote by 2 points and still win. But I worry the enthusiasm has increased among some of the young and far left for Harris vv Biden, and Trump will trip himself up (and the media will show those trips over and over) and piss off some of the voters who went for Biden last time and are supporting him now.

It's pretty depressing, actually

other than the assumption that anyone who doesn't vote like you isn't rational and the excuse-making, i.e. basically the first paragraph.

you've diagnosed it pretty well: "race reverts back to what it was pre-debate."

agree with your third paragraph 90 % > you again try to blame the MSM who, as far as I can tell, have been the making of Trump.

 

[3 Pete]

"Stuff my ballot box"

 

[dawgfood0612]

I read about a strategy that younger voters will provide the added margin to win Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Michigan.

Risky strategy as younger voters do not tend to turnout in large numbers.

 

[nice marmot]

younger voters do not tend to turnout in large numbers.

also risky to count on them not turning out for the first non-boomer candidate since 2012

 

[jpzd33]

Serious question in the subject line.

Our POTUS elections sometimes have modest increases in voters for both major parties in the same year, but 2020 was unique. Almost 22 million more voters participated than 2016.

2004 saw almost a 17 million voter participant increase, likely driven primarily by being the 1st election after 9/11.

The 2020 motivation was all about Trump. The popular narrative was that people were motivated to get him out including traditional GOP voters crossing over to Biden resulting in 81 million votes which significantly topped Hilary's almost 66 million votes in 2016 and Obama's 69 million votes in 2008.

It makes sense that the combination of new voters and GOP crossovers could drive Biden's total so high. Well, except for 1 minor inconvenience. Trump's 74 million topped his almost 63 million vote performance in 2016.

If the narrative was that Americans were motivated to replace Trump to the tune of new voters and crossovers going hard for Biden, where did 11 million more voters come from for Trump?

The logic has never made sense, but let's not get caught up in the validity of those numbers today. Instead, let's discuss what the motivation will be for Harris to pull off a win given that:

1. Trump's popularity is at an all-time high.
2. Harris is part of the Biden administration.
3. Voters didn't support Harris in 2020 when they had the chance to make her POTUS.

We know that X amount of voters will vote D while Y will vote R no matter who is involved. Those people are just noise.

Can someone list the Harris accomplishments over the past 3.5 years that will motivate crossovers and new voters to turn out for her in 2024?

Keep in mind that Biden was the VP of one of the most popular POTUS in history, not as measured by official approval ratings, but more about cultural impact and having the attention of the people. Obama and Trump are a lot alike when you look at it from a love/hate perspective of being lightning rods for the extremes.

Biden had the advantage of being the older "retired" politician 1 term removed from service. He was a salvation option for those voting against Trump.

Harris is the VP of a POTUS who is being doubted by his own party. She's been mostly invisible as VP with the most negative perception since Quayle.

Once this initial media spin cycle wears off, what will carry her across the finish line?

I have a feeling the strange days aren't over yet. Nothing is settled, even within the Democratic party.

Pretty simple. Every time Trump opens his mouth, he costs himself. Just yesterday, saying "J6 patriots". Nobody outside his hardcore base, who's already voting for him, wants to hear that. They do not want to hear about election fraud.He is such a dumbass and literally the only person that could lose this election.

 

[DallasDawg225]

Serious question in the subject line.

Our POTUS elections sometimes have modest increases in voters for both major parties in the same year, but 2020 was unique. Almost 22 million more voters participated than 2016.

2004 saw almost a 17 million voter participant increase, likely driven primarily by being the 1st election after 9/11.

The 2020 motivation was all about Trump. The popular narrative was that people were motivated to get him out including traditional GOP voters crossing over to Biden resulting in 81 million votes which significantly topped Hilary's almost 66 million votes in 2016 and Obama's 69 million votes in 2008.

It makes sense that the combination of new voters and GOP crossovers could drive Biden's total so high. Well, except for 1 minor inconvenience. Trump's 74 million topped his almost 63 million vote performance in 2016.

If the narrative was that Americans were motivated to replace Trump to the tune of new voters and crossovers going hard for Biden, where did 11 million more voters come from for Trump?

The logic has never made sense, but let's not get caught up in the validity of those numbers today. Instead, let's discuss what the motivation will be for Harris to pull off a win given that:

1. Trump's popularity is at an all-time high.
2. Harris is part of the Biden administration.
3. Voters didn't support Harris in 2020 when they had the chance to make her POTUS.

We know that X amount of voters will vote D while Y will vote R no matter who is involved. Those people are just noise.

Can someone list the Harris accomplishments over the past 3.5 years that will motivate crossovers and new voters to turn out for her in 2024?

Keep in mind that Biden was the VP of one of the most popular POTUS in history, not as measured by official approval ratings, but more about cultural impact and having the attention of the people. Obama and Trump are a lot alike when you look at it from a love/hate perspective of being lightning rods for the extremes.

Biden had the advantage of being the older "retired" politician 1 term removed from service. He was a salvation option for those voting against Trump.

Harris is the VP of a POTUS who is being doubted by his own party. She's been mostly invisible as VP with the most negative perception since Quayle.

Once this initial media spin cycle wears off, what will carry her across the finish line?

I have a feeling the strange days aren't over yet. Nothing is settled, even within the Democratic party.

There is no way in hell Biden got 81 million votes in 2020 campaigning from his basement, lol.

 

[nice marmot]

Nothing is settled, even within the Democratic party.

I offered this in another thread and so I will mention it again here > taking your question in good faith.

Even at Biden's polling nadir, swing state and other vulnerable senate democrats were polling well ahead of their rivals AND Trump (and Biden obviously). Say what you will about polling - and all of that was before Joe dropped out - but that indicates latent strength in the D electorate that a capable candidate could potentially activate.

The polling is out there if you care to have a look.

 

[nice marmot]

There is no way in hell Biden got 81 million votes in 2020 campaigning from his basement, lol.

so how many votes would you say were fake?

 

[Dawg 'n IT]

I offered this in another thread and so I will mention it again here > taking your question in good faith.

Even at Biden's polling nadir, swing state and other vulnerable senate democrats were polling well ahead of their rivals AND Trump (and Biden obviously). Say what you will about polling - and all of that was before Joe dropped out - but that indicates latent strength in the D electorate that a capable candidate could potentially activate.

The polling is out there if you care to have a lolook.

Hillary's polling was strong up to the election.

Kamala isn't some unknown in all of this as she was a non-factor in the last election and that was among Democratic voters. Had she performed like Bernie then one could see viability in her candidacy, but no one wants to talk about how poorly her campaign went leading up to the primaries.

That's why I asked what has changed about her such that she can generate enough support like Biden had. We had usual GOP voters here admit to voting for Biden. Not seeing that same energy for Harris. If anything, the few never Trumpers have admitted to leaning toward staying home.

Going to be interesting.

 

[Krowking123]

It seems more and more clear to me that a large part of the younger generation does not think rationally. And the enthusiasm of that segment of the population will be much greater for Harris than Biden, and that can make a difference in a number of states. She will have the media behind her rewriting her history, she will get no tough questions, and they will twist anything Trump says the least bit untoward as sexist and/or racist, and both Obama's will campaign like heck for her.

If you look carefully at most of the polls when Biden tanked, it was Biden's numbers going down more than Trump's going up. So the race likely reverts back to what it was pre debate.

If Trump can control himself, which is a big if, he still should be the favorite to win and the electoral college still in his favor. He can lose the popular vote by 2 points and still win. But I worry the enthusiasm has increased among some of the young and far left for Harris vv Biden, and Trump will trip himself up (and the media will show those trips over and over) and piss off some of the voters who went for Biden last time and are supporting him now.

It's pretty depressing, actually

It’s unfortunate but these kids have been overloaded with false information painting everyone the democrats don’t like as the next Hitler to the point that they don’t think rationally. It’s sad but that generation’s going to get us all killed or absorbed by China. They have zero fight in them.

 

[nice marmot]

Kamala isn't some unknown in all of this as she was a non-factor in the last election and that was among Democratic voters.

There is a long history of politicians who tried and failed the first (or second) time and then later became their party's nominee.

I agree with your assessment of her first campaign, as I was a fan and then quickly saw (as most observers did) that she wasn't ready for prime time.

But I think I am going to wait few weeks before offering verdicts on the energy around her current campaign. Others may not be waiting, but I will. (from the Financial Times, via some aggregation of polls as noted)

 

[stray]

There is a long history of politicians who tried and failed the first (or second) time and then later became their party's nominee.

I agree with your assessment of her first campaign, as I was a fan and then quickly saw (as most observers did) that she wasn't ready for prime time.

But I think I am going to wait few weeks before offering verdicts on the energy around her current campaign. Others may not be waiting, but I will. (from the Financial Times, via some aggregation of polls as noted)

 

[richb1]

other than the assumption that anyone who doesn't vote like you isn't rational and the excuse-making, i.e. basically the first paragraph.

you've diagnosed it pretty well: "race reverts back to what it was pre-debate."

agree with your third paragraph 90 % > you again try to blame the MSM who, as far as I can tell, have been the making of Trump.

I don't think I said people who don't vote like me are not rational, that would be a pretty stupid comment I simply expressed an opinion that a large segment of the current young generation do not think rationally. Probably due to a combination of what is and is not taught in our schools these days, social media and other factors. And rational people may disagree with that too.

Not sure what you are calling excuse making, simply a fact (not an opinion) that the media has been rewriting Harris' history the past few days, if you don't think the media is all in on her, you probably also believed Joe Biden was fully mentally competent and sharp until the day of the debate.

 

[Eastmandawg]

Serious question in the subject line.

Our POTUS elections sometimes have modest increases in voters for both major parties in the same year, but 2020 was unique. Almost 22 million more voters participated than 2016.

2004 saw almost a 17 million voter participant increase, likely driven primarily by being the 1st election after 9/11.

The 2020 motivation was all about Trump. The popular narrative was that people were motivated to get him out including traditional GOP voters crossing over to Biden resulting in 81 million votes which significantly topped Hilary's almost 66 million votes in 2016 and Obama's 69 million votes in 2008.

It makes sense that the combination of new voters and GOP crossovers could drive Biden's total so high. Well, except for 1 minor inconvenience. Trump's 74 million topped his almost 63 million vote performance in 2016.

If the narrative was that Americans were motivated to replace Trump to the tune of new voters and crossovers going hard for Biden, where did 11 million more voters come from for Trump?

The logic has never made sense, but let's not get caught up in the validity of those numbers today. Instead, let's discuss what the motivation will be for Harris to pull off a win given that:

1. Trump's popularity is at an all-time high.
2. Harris is part of the Biden administration.
3. Voters didn't support Harris in 2020 when they had the chance to make her POTUS.

We know that X amount of voters will vote D while Y will vote R no matter who is involved. Those people are just noise.

Can someone list the Harris accomplishments over the past 3.5 years that will motivate crossovers and new voters to turn out for her in 2024?

Keep in mind that Biden was the VP of one of the most popular POTUS in history, not as measured by official approval ratings, but more about cultural impact and having the attention of the people. Obama and Trump are a lot alike when you look at it from a love/hate perspective of being lightning rods for the extremes.

Biden had the advantage of being the older "retired" politician 1 term removed from service. He was a salvation option for those voting against Trump.

Harris is the VP of a POTUS who is being doubted by his own party. She's been mostly invisible as VP with the most negative perception since Quayle.

Once this initial media spin cycle wears off, what will carry her across the finish line?

I have a feeling the strange days aren't over yet. Nothing is settled, even within the Democratic party.

Trump is the DEBIL:

 

[OriginalGatorHator]

But he doesn't have the votes. He has to make the pie higher somehow.

I don’t think that’s necessarily true. Biden won in 2020 mostly because Trump ignored his base from 2016 and and a not insignificant number of white men peeled off and voted for Biden. I don’t think those guys will have the same inclination for Kamala.

But regardless of whether it’s true or not, my point is that it’s impossible.

I don’t have know how many elections in a row self proclaimed conservatives need to witness before they realize any variation of “Dems are the real (fill in ism/ist here)” doesn’t work and the pandering is as stupid as it is embarrassing.

Trumps energy would be better served doing what he does best - getting my uncle to vote for president for the 3rd time in his entire life.

 

[MillDawg]

Hillary's polling was strong up to the election.

Kamala isn't some unknown in all of this as she was a non-factor in the last election and that was among Democratic voters. Had she performed like Bernie then one could see viability in her candidacy, but no one wants to talk about how poorly her campaign went leading up to the primaries.

That's why I asked what has changed about her such that she can generate enough support like Biden had. We had usual GOP voters here admit to voting for Biden. Not seeing that same energy for Harris. If anything, the few never Trumpers have admitted to leaning toward staying home.

Going to be interesting.

My God people VOTED for Biden?

 

[nice marmot]

I don't think I said people who don't vote like me are not rational, that would be a pretty stupid comment I simply expressed an opinion that a large segment of the current young generation do not think rationally. Probably due to a combination of what is and is not taught in our schools these days, social media and other factors. And rational people may disagree with that too.

Fair enough, withdrawn.

 

[nice marmot]

I don’t have know how many elections in a row self proclaimed conservatives need to witness before they realize any variation of “Dems are the real (fill in ism/ist here)” doesn’t work and the pandering is as stupid as it is embarrassing.

Trumps energy would be better served doing what he does best - getting my uncle to vote for president for the 3rd time in his entire life.

Hard to argue with any of this.

 

[ToddBburn]

There is a long history of politicians who tried and failed the first (or second) time and then later became their party's nominee.

I agree with your assessment of her first campaign, as I was a fan and then quickly saw (as most observers did) that she wasn't ready for prime time.

But I think I am going to wait few weeks before offering verdicts on the energy around her current campaign. Others may not be waiting, but I will. (from the Financial Times, via some aggregation of polls as noted)

What did you like about her more than other candidates?

 

[nice marmot]

What did you like about her more than other candidates?

Honestly, I don't remember - as I recall I thought she was good in the first debate. Maybe she chundered the second? She just didn't seem to have the ability to focus that was required as I recall, and maybe some of her attacks on other candidates were weird.

 

[Dawg 'n IT]

My God people VOTED for Biden?

Some actually claim it.

Had a coworker yesterday basically tell me it doesn't matter that the economy and personal opportunities could be better under Trump, can't have him in office because of what the media and Democrats have said about him.

 

[elderdawg]

There is no way in hell Biden got 81 million votes in 2020 campaigning from his basement, lol.

I was going to say he didn't get 81 million votes, he got 81 million ballots. But in reality, he only got 81 million ballots because 1,000s were recounted over and over. Fulton County cannot provide almost half million ballot images. Hmmmm?

 

[dawgfood0612]

I was going to say he didn't get 81 million votes, he got 81 million ballots. But in reality, he only got 81 million ballots because 1,000s were recounted over and over. Fulton County cannot provide almost half million ballot images. Hmmmm?

That's because they weren't required to store the images in 2020. They did keep the original ballots which have been audited a gizillion times with the results not changing.

The folks who keep pushing the ballot imaging conspiracy know that Fulton County wasn't required to keep the images, but they keep bringing it up to keep the conspiracy alive.