Why are liberals so afraid of free speech?

[celticdawg]

Where do you see I am not tolerant. I know you won't believe this but,
I used to have a friend taht was gay, died recently of AIDS.
We hung out at all the football parties every weekend when I lived in Panama City Beach. Great guy. I hugged him every time we arrived at the parties, and every time when we left. Just a regular guy except he was gay. I never said a word to him. Only thing wrong with him was he was an FSU fan.

He wasn't born that way. He used to be married to a woman forever and when that was over he CHOSE to be gay.


What do you mean, what I think God says.
It is all over the Bible. You could not only use scripture but common sense after he created man and woman so they could populate the earth that HE created.
Tell me oh wise one, how would the earth be populated if GOD made man and woman to be attracted to the same sex. God makes it clear it is a sin to be homosexual. Homosexuality is just like all other sin. You can't live in it and think you will go to Heaven.
Like I said, it is pointless to have this discussion with a non believer.

Sorry to hear about your friend. And I don't want to tarnish his memory, but how do you know he chose to be gay? I know someone who was married to a women for a while and had children, because that was sort of expected and gays were not treated well at all. He has been married to another man for a long time now and is finally happy. He didn't choose to be gay, but was pressured by people like you seem to be to be someone else.

I don't question someone's religious beliefs, but I certainly don't think God thinks it is a sin. Does that mean that you don't accept laws that punish discrimination? And don't be silly, God did provide for the propagation of the human race.

 

[kdsdawg]

, but I certainly don't think God thinks it is a sin.

LOL, okay. Literally all over the Bible but okay. How would you know what God thinks if you don't know the Bible.
The Bible explicitly states otherwise.

 

[kdsdawg]

And don't be silly, God did provide for the propagation of the human race.

Yes, one way and one way only. Between a man and a woman.

 

[anon_03j5dr7l9qs90]

Sorry to hear about your friend. And I don't want to tarnish his memory, but how do you know he chose to be gay? I know someone who was married to a women for a while and had children, because that was sort of expected and gays were not treated well at all. He has been married to another man for a long time now and is finally happy. He didn't choose to be gay, but was pressured by people like you seem to be to be someone else.

I don't question someone's religious beliefs, but I certainly don't think God thinks it is a sin. Does that mean that you don't accept laws that punish discrimination? And don't be silly, God did provide for the propagation of the human race.

The Word of God clearly states, word for word, that homosexuals will not inherit the kingdom of Heaven. Idk how that can be misunderstood.

Its sexual sin that goes against the natural law of the human race and the science of human reproduction. Sin that’s set apart because not only is it a sin against God but it’s a sin against one’s body. The repercussions of it are different from other sin, not the punishment for it because sin is sin, but the repercussions. It’s important understand the difference.

 

[kdsdawg]

The Word of God clearly states, word for word, that homosexuals will not inherit the kingdom of Heaven. Idk how that can be misunderstood.

Its sexual sin that goes against the natural law of the human race and the science of human reproduction. Sin that’s set apart because not only is it a sin against God but it’s a sin against one’s body. The repercussions of it are different from other sin, not the punishment for it because sin is sin, but the repercussions. It’s I let’s talk to understand the difference.

Its like talking to a brick wall.
I don't know how you can read the Bible and make the statements he is making.
Conclusion, he doesn't read the Bible and isn't a Christian and he is presenting the liberal argument.

 

[anon_03j5dr7l9qs90]

Its like talking to a brick wall.
I don't know how you can read the Bible and make the statements he is making.
Conclusion, he doesn't read the Bible and isn't a Christian and he is presenting the liberal argument.

No argument there.

 

[shonuff253]

The Word of God clearly states, word for word, that homosexuals will not inherit the kingdom of Heaven. Idk how that can be misunderstood.

Its sexual sin that goes against the natural law of the human race and the science of human reproduction. Sin that’s set apart because not only is it a sin against God but it’s a sin against one’s body. The repercussions of it are different from other sin, not the punishment for it because sin is sin, but the repercussions. It’s important understand the difference.

"Its sexual sin that goes against the natural law of the human race and the science of human reproduction."

So serious questions based by your words is a female married to a man that doens't want kids and has sex purely for pleasure and connection with her partner living in sin? What if they like anal and sex....a lot, is that a sin? It's no different from a reproductive or natural standpoint than a gay couple.

 

[shonuff253]

Where do you see I am not tolerant. I know you won't believe this but,
I used to have a friend taht was gay, died recently of AIDS.
We hung out at all the football parties every weekend when I lived in Panama City Beach. Great guy. I hugged him every time we arrived at the parties, and every time when we left. Just a regular guy except he was gay. I never said a word to him. Only thing wrong with him was he was an FSU fan.

He wasn't born that way. He used to be married to a woman forever and when that was over he CHOSE to be gay.


What do you mean, what I think God says.
It is all over the Bible. You could not only use scripture but common sense after he created man and woman so they could populate the earth that HE created.
Tell me oh wise one, how would the earth be populated if GOD made man and woman to be attracted to the same sex. God makes it clear it is a sin to be homosexual. Homosexuality is just like all other sin. You can't live in it and think you will go to Heaven.
Like I said, it is pointless to have this discussion with a non believer.

You'd be surprised how many married men out there that are secretly gay.....I've meet several now out lesbians, gay men and trans(women) who were once married but now divorced and living their human experience how best for them. How is that a sin? And even more incredible is the fact that several of them are devote Christians still.

 

[Spe77]

You'd be surprised how many married men out there that are secretly gay.....I've meet several now out lesbians, gay men and trans(women) who were once married but now divorced and living their human experience how best for them. How is that a sin? And even more incredible is the fact that several of them are devote Christians still.

All Christians are sinners; however, no devout Christian openly lives in sin as if there’s nothing wrong with their actions. You must of skipped the majority of the Bible. We are called to live a life in the image of God, not a life that we determine is the best fit for us. Also, those who divorce to succumb to their desire to be gay are giving in to evil. You do not get to bend the Holy Spirit to suit your lifestyle.

 

[kdsdawg]

How is that a sin? And even more incredible is the fact that several of them are devote Christians still.

Why don't you ask God why it is a sin? The Bible is full of references that say it is, therefore, God says it is.
Well, they are not devout Christians any more than a murderer or a child abuser is.
Purely in name only.
Impossible to read the Bible and then turn around and live as a homosexual. I would love to hear their argument.
I am sure the mental gymnastics amazing. I am sure it has to do with something getting lost in the translation by men.
Either you are a Bible believing Christian or you are hell bound.

 

[kdsdawg]

All Christians are sinners; however, no devout Christian openly lives in sin as if there’s nothing wrong with their actions. You must of skipped the majority of the Bible. We are called to live a life in the image of God, not a life that we determine is the best fit for us. Also, those who divorce to succumb to their desire to be gay are giving in to evil. You do not get to bend the Holy Spirit to suit your lifestyle.

Churches are constantly starting up and thriving by changing scripture to suit their needs. People flock to those churches.

 

[Papapete11]

Amen, Hallelujah, and BIDEN STILL STUCKS!!

 

[Spe77]

Churches are constantly starting up and thriving by changing scripture to suit their needs. People flock to those churches.

Jesus calls the city of Pergamum the place “where Satan has his throne” (Revelation 2:13). You might think that such a church in such a place would be a persecuted church, but that was not the case. Satan’s tactic against the church was much more effective than persecution; he sought to corrupt the church from the inside.
Revelation 2:12–17

 

[anon_03j5dr7l9qs90]

"Its sexual sin that goes against the natural law of the human race and the science of human reproduction."

So serious questions based by your words is a female married to a man that doens't want kids and has sex purely for pleasure and connection with her partner living in sin? What if they like anal and sex....a lot, is that a sin? It's no different from a reproductive or natural standpoint than a gay couple.

Excellent questions and thanks for asking. Sex within a marriage? Nope, that’s fine. They’re married. Anal sex? Nope. The book of Hebrews says that the marriage bed is undefiled or uncontaminated if you will. Before you tell me that a man can marry a man or a woman can marry a woman I’ll go head and tell you that you’re right. Those marriages however are not acknowledged or accepted by God. As I said before, they’re unnatural.

I will say that I believe that God commands us to be fruitful and multiply. So I personally think as Christians it’s a responsibility, if you believe the entirety of the Bible, to have children. Or at least attempt to have them if the husband and wife are physically able.

 

[celticdawg]

Its like talking to a brick wall.
I don't know how you can read the Bible and make the statements he is making.
Conclusion, he doesn't read the Bible and isn't a Christian and he is presenting the liberal argument.

There were times many years ago that the Church had more power than the secular government. But that is certainly not the case in this country now. Therefore, the laws of this country are to be followed. Regardless of any argument you want to present, there are certainly places where people of the same sex can be married and it is legal. I assume they don't care if it's not "legal" in your eyes. Irrelevant to them. That's how I can make my statements.

The brick wall you are talking to is the one that your prejudices have erected. That's why you can't get past there. I have no problem with you living your Christian life, but it does not control my life. I have read the Bible, but as I said before, I was not born a Christian.

And you just can't resist throwing out that "liberal" term, whatever it means, when you can't deal with the real issue. Please stay behind your brick wall - that's fine with me.

 

[anon_03j5dr7l9qs90]

There were times many years ago that the Church had more power than the secular government. But that is certainly not the case in this country now. Therefore, the laws of this country are to be followed. Regardless of any argument you want to present, there are certainly places where people of the same sex can be married and it is legal. I assume they don't care if it's not "legal" in your eyes. Irrelevant to them. That's how I can make my statements.

The brick wall you are talking to is the one that your prejudices have erected. That's why you can't get past there. I have no problem with you living your Christian life, but it does not control my life. I have read the Bible, but as I said before, I was not born a Christian.

And you just can't resist throwing out that "liberal" term, whatever it means, when you can't deal with the real issue. Please stay behind your brick wall - that's fine with me.

No one is born a Christian. It’s a choice that’s made. You are certainly entitled to your opinion and I respect them even though I disagree. Lastly Christian’s do not and don’t have to follow worldly law. I’m referencing laws that are created by, pushed by, and practiced by a fallen and sinful race. Christian’s believe in and follow God’s law. Mostly because He is the Creator and ultimately who we will all be judged by.

 

[shonuff253]

All Christians are sinners; however, no devout Christian openly lives in sin as if there’s nothing wrong with their actions. You must of skipped the majority of the Bible. We are called to live a life in the image of God, not a life that we determine is the best fit for us. Also, those who divorce to succumb to their desire to be gay are giving in to evil. You do not get to bend the Holy Spirit to suit your lifestyle.

I would beg to differ. Sex out of marriage, alcohol, drugs, porn... I guarantee the number of "only on Sunday" Christians is north of 80%.

 

[anon_03j5dr7l9qs90]

I would beg to differ. Sex out of marriage, alcohol, drugs, porn... I guarantee the number of "only on Sunday" Christians is north of 80%.

I’d say over 90% my friend. I don’t battle any of those things but I do battle my tongue. The language I use leaves much to be desired. I am however very aware of what the Bible says in regards to the power of the tongue and how I’m called to speak being one who claims to be a Christian. That’s my battle and I fight it daily and fail miserably. I will be held accountable for it.

 

[kdsdawg]

There were times many years ago that the Church had more power than the secular government. But that is certainly not the case in this country now. Therefore, the laws of this country are to be followed. Regardless of any argument you want to present, there are certainly places where people of the same sex can be married and it is legal. I assume they don't care if it's not "legal" in your eyes. Irrelevant to them. That's how I can make my statements.

The brick wall you are talking to is the one that your prejudices have erected. That's why you can't get past there. I have no problem with you living your Christian life, but it does not control my life. I have read the Bible, but as I said before, I was not born a Christian.

And you just can't resist throwing out that "liberal" term, whatever it means, when you can't deal with the real issue. Please stay behind your brick wall - that's fine with me.

Somehow you think I care if gays are married. I don't except that they are afforded the same privileges as male/female unions in the states that it is legal. I don't agree with that but all I can do about it is vote.
I don't care what they do in the sanctity of their private lives. I do care however when you try and force it into our innocent kids' lives.

You can't be born a Christian but you can be a born again Christian.

 

[Spe77]

I would beg to differ. Sex out of marriage, alcohol, drugs, porn... I guarantee the number of "only on Sunday" Christians is north of 80%.

What is your point? Didn’t I say all Christians are sinners? The big difference in our argument is acknowledging that sex out of marriage and other addictions are sin. Your argument is that living a gay lifestyle is not sin, which is simply not true. Just because we all struggle to stay on the righteous path doesn’t mean we get to decide what God determined is sinful.

 

[Smacdawg]

I don't think there are any true liberals on this board, including myself. There are far more interesting and engaging places for people with a true leftist bent to spend their time than a football message board. I can tell you for sure that I won't speak for anyone but myself given my past voting history skews heavily republican.

I don't take issue with Musk buying Twitter, per se. It's a private company and apparently he has marshalled the capital needed to buy it. Good for him. If he wants to turn Twitter into his own version of Truth Social, or anything else for that matter, that's his call.

I do have concerns about the continued concentration of wealth in the US and the world, and the resulting concentration of power and influence that this is leading to, but while it is a related topic it is really separate discussion.

I have given you crap before on your slants and obsessions with Trump. (I’m assuming your reference to concentration of wealth and power was general and not specific to one political group or person). So to that end allow me to say I applaud this post. It was a lucid and well thought out message and contains truth and reasonable perspective.

Now, on the off-chance you feel the urge to say you don’t care about my opinion of your posts, etc. please know I’m just trying to not be hypocritical. I’ve said to you I’d like to see this type of post from that intelligent mind, and I’d be remiss if I didn’t acknowledge it.

 

[willdup]

I have given you crap before on your slants and obsessions with Trump. (I’m assuming your reference to concentration of wealth and power was general and not specific to one political group or person). So to that end allow me to say I applaud this post. It was a lucid and well thought out message and contains truth and reasonable perspective.

Now, on the off-chance you feel the urge to say you don’t care about my opinion of your posts, etc. please know I’m just trying to not be hypocritical. I’ve said to you I’d like to see this type of post from that intelligent mind, and I’d be remiss if I didn’t acknowledge it.

I don’t mind the crap and I appreciate the kind words. If I didn’t want to mix it up I wouldn’t bother posting here.

The comment about power and wealth is definitely not limited to one party. I’d really like to find a way to limit the endless funds that slosh around DC and drive policy for both parties. Also, regardless of whether one leans left or right, I think we can all agree that the middle class is under extreme economic duress and this is disastrous for the long term health of the country. The numbers regarding the continued upward migration of the nation’s wealth to an ever smaller group of people are shocking, at least to me.

Of course, the question about what to do about the continued concentration of wealth is the crux of the issue. That’s where the parties diverge, or at least the rhetoric each deploys.

 

[Dawg 'n IT]

"Its sexual sin that goes against the natural law of the human race and the science of human reproduction."

So serious questions based by your words is a female married to a man that doens't want kids and has sex purely for pleasure and connection with her partner living in sin? What if they like anal and sex....a lot, is that a sin? It's no different from a reproductive or natural standpoint than a gay couple.

There is a degree of shock trying to catch up on a 3 pager and stumbling upon this right here.

 

[anon_03j5dr7l9qs90]

There is a degree of shock trying to catch up on a 3 pager and stumbling upon this right here.

Legit questions IMO.

 

[Smacdawg]

I don’t mind the crap and I appreciate the kind words. If I didn’t want to mix it up I wouldn’t bother posting here.

The comment about power and wealth is definitely not limited to one party. I’d really like to find a way to limit the endless funds that slosh around DC and drive policy for both parties. Also, regardless of whether one leans left or right, I think we can all agree that the middle class is under extreme economic duress and this is disastrous for the long term health of the country. The numbers regarding the continued upward migration of the nation’s wealth to an ever smaller group of people are shocking, at least to me.

Of course, the question about what to do about the continued concentration of wealth is the crux of the issue. That’s where the parties diverge, or at least the rhetoric each deploys.

There’s a balance between the mindset of redistribution of wealth, and limiting the power of the wealthy to dictate laws, taxes, etc to the less so.

There are those who believe the wealthy owe everyone else and should be penalized for their wealth. Others believe programs that benefit business drives the economy, employment, wages, etc.

People like Trump are brazen about it. Irritating and arrogant. People like Biden are secretive in their methods. Manipulative and hypocritical.

The short of it is a market that rewards hard work, ingenuity, and competition is far healthier than one that tries to make it “fair” for all because the vast majority will do as little as possible and get the same as those who apply themselves.

How you properly limit the power and control of the wealthy without killing ambition is the trick.

 

[Savannah_Dawg]

Using truth and social media in the same sentence - now that's funny. How would you find it?

I don't give a crap about Musk buying the twits and didn't realize it was a problem. It's not a problem to me.

I don't answer for the liberals by the way but I know you love to use that and other words.

All you do is answer for the liberals.

 

[kdsdawg]

All you do is answer for the liberals.

But he isn't a liberal he repeatedly tells us

 

[cherrydawg]

I don't think there are any true liberals on this board, including myself. There are far more interesting and engaging places for people with a true leftist bent to spend their time than a football message board. I can tell you for sure that I won't speak for anyone but myself given my past voting history skews heavily republican.

I don't take issue with Musk buying Twitter, per se. It's a private company and apparently he has marshalled the capital needed to buy it. Good for him. If he wants to turn Twitter into his own version of Truth Social, or anything else for that matter, that's his call.

I do have concerns about the continued concentration of wealth in the US and the world, and the resulting concentration of power and influence that this is leading to, but while it is a related topic it is really separate discussion.

If you and the other handful of libs on this board are not true libs then there is no such thing. It’s all a lie. Then Christian Scientist are right. We are all just floating around in some la la world and nothing really exists. You guys are delusion-ally left. Anyone that thinks Brandon is good and the economy is great and he has nothing to do with energy costs and inflation and he is not the big guy family boss is truest in la la world.