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You can not trust Russia

You can not trust Russia.

Afgantsy Redux: How Russian military intelligence used the Taliban to bleed U.S. forces…

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Yeah, it’s clear there are. A lot of people on this board who never had to hide under their desks during the Cuban missile crisis.

Sigh.

The only thing new in this world is the history you don’t know.
 
I am not a Russian sympathizer. But we have done and would do just about everything Russia has done recently. Imagine if we were in Russia’s shoes and a border country tried to join an adversarial organization. Let’s say Mexico or Canada wanted to join the newly created USSR. You think we would just let that happen? lol Yeah, ok. I’d bet money we would invade Mexico just like Russia invaded Ukraine.
 
I am not a Russian sympathizer. But we have done and would do just about everything Russia has done recently. Imagine if we were in Russia’s shoes and a border country tried to join an adversarial organization. Let’s say Mexico or Canada wanted to join the newly created USSR. You think we would just let that happen? lol Yeah, ok. I’d bet money we would invade Mexico just like Russia invaded Ukraine.
Russia's motivations with Ukraine was not simply about NATO.
 
I am not a Russian sympathizer. But we have done and would do just about everything Russia has done recently. Imagine if we were in Russia’s shoes and a border country tried to join an adversarial organization. Let’s say Mexico or Canada wanted to join the newly created USSR. You think we would just let that happen? lol Yeah, ok. I’d bet money we would invade Mexico just like Russia invaded Ukraine.
Your statements are absolutely sympathizing with Russia. Are you seriously trying to justify Russia invading a sovereign nation? Is it your opinion that Ukraine had it coming?
 
Ukraine is full of Nazis. If they could both lose, I'd be thrthrilled.
My hot take is that the Ukrainian "Nazis" are the good guys in the conflict - they are the true Ukrainian nationalists.

That's preferable, in my view, to the Russians that want to eradicate Ukrainian culture and Ukrainian leadership that wants to sell out the country to the West.

It's obviously stupid to use Nazi iconography, but that is a direct result of the realities of anti-Soviet history. It's not as if the Azov Battalion is interested in Jewish genocide (though you wouldn't want to be Russian in a Nationalist Ukraine.)
 
I am not a Russian sympathizer. But we have done and would do just about everything Russia has done recently. Imagine if we were in Russia’s shoes and a border country tried to join an adversarial organization. Let’s say Mexico or Canada wanted to join the newly created USSR. You think we would just let that happen? lol Yeah, ok. I’d bet money we would invade Mexico just like Russia invaded Ukraine.
Wow. To know this little about both history and current events is astonishing. Actually par for thr course around here though.
 
Ukraine is full of Nazis. If they could both lose, I'd be thrilled.
Ukraine is full of Nazis? WTF. The crazy amount of Russian propaganda spread on here is insane. They are clearly winning hearts and mind of our own people. Pathetic.

Is America full of Nazis? Is that a true statement? Because there are certainly more here than Ukraine. Maybe Russia should invade us too.
 
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Ukraine is full of Nazis? WTF. The crazy amount of Russian propaganda speared on here is insane. They are clearly winning hearts and mind of our own people. Pathetic.

Is America full of Nazis? Is that a true statement? Because there are certainly more here than Ukraine. Maybe Russia should invade us too.
For reasons I shared above, the topic is more nuanced than many would like - but the Ukraine "Nazi" issue is very different than American History X skinhead larpers.

The reality is that prominent Ukranian nationalist militias did lean into Nazi aesthetics and a very much motivated by ethnonationalist views. They played a role in pre-invasion violence against ethnic Russians in the Donbas that is part of the justification for the invasion (of course this claim is undermined by the fact that Moscow didn't simply send armed forces into that region, but tried to take Kyiv and overthrow the government.)

The Azov Battalion was a essential force for Ukraine, but also complicated relationships as they aren't particularly popular with allies.

So the claim isn't simply Russian propaganda, it is a real factor of the conflict.
 
I am not a Russian sympathizer. But we have done and would do just about everything Russia has done recently. Imagine if we were in Russia’s shoes and a border country tried to join an adversarial organization. Let’s say Mexico or Canada wanted to join the newly created USSR. You think we would just let that happen? lol Yeah, ok. I’d bet money we would invade Mexico just like Russia invaded Ukraine.
That is such an irredeemable load of crap that it’s difficult to formulate a response.

Ukraine is no more responsible for the invasion by Russian than they are responsible for the multitude of documented, heinous war crimes committed from day one to today by Russian forces.

But please do continue with your argument that Putin and Russia are no different than the US. The high irony is that the man that you support, with his expansionist talk regarding Canada, Greenland and Panama, is the one man who can make your comparison between the US and Russia more true than it’s ever been.
 
That is such an irredeemable load of crap that it’s difficult to formulate a response.

Ukraine is no more responsible for the invasion by Russian than they are responsible for the multitude of documented, heinous war crimes committed from day one to today by Russian forces.

But please do continue with your argument that Putin and Russia are no different than the US. The high irony is that the man that you support, with his expansionist talk regarding Canada, Greenland and Panama, is the one man who can make your comparison between the US and Russia more true than it’s ever been.
You’re naive if you think I’m wrong. I’m not sympathizing with Russia, nor am I saying Ukraine deserved to be invaded. I’m pointing out America’s hypocrisy in the matter.
 
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I am not a Russian sympathizer. But we have done and would do just about everything Russia has done recently. Imagine if we were in Russia’s shoes and a border country tried to join an adversarial organization. Let’s say Mexico or Canada wanted to join the newly created USSR. You think we would just let that happen? lol Yeah, ok. I’d bet money we would invade Mexico just like Russia invaded Ukraine.
What did we do to cuba when russia wanted to put nukes there?
 
Your statements are absolutely sympathizing with Russia. Are you seriously trying to justify Russia invading a sovereign nation? Is it your opinion that Ukraine had it coming?

Sovereign? Yeah right. Zelenskyy was hand picked and placed in power by the west. They have not had democratic elections in years. All media is operated by the state. Govt desentors and verbal detractors have been hunted down and killed.

You people pulling for ukr are pulling for a country that is more communist than Russia.

But I guess waving that little blue and yellow flag gives you purpose and meaning. Lol. Can’t even take you Biden lovers seriously.
 
Your statements are absolutely sympathizing with Russia. Are you seriously trying to justify Russia invading a sovereign nation? Is it your opinion that Ukraine had it coming?
No, I am not. I don’t want any sovereign nation to be invaded by another nation. I’m criticizing America’s “holier than thou” attitude about the situation, and pointing out that if we were in Russia’s situation, we would do what Russia did.
 
Sovereign? Yeah right. Zelenskyy was hand picked and placed in power by the west. They have not had democratic elections in years. All media is operated by the state. Govt desentors and verbal detractors have been hunted down and killed.

You people pulling for ukr are pulling for a country that is more communist than Russia.

But I guess waving that little blue and yellow flag gives you purpose and meaning. Lol. Can’t even take you Biden lovers seriously.
Russia has cornered the market on state sponsored media, lack of democratic elections and persecution of dissenters. There is no way that Ukraine is more communist than Russia. Maybe North Korea is more communist than Russia. Maybe that is why their soldiers were willing to die for Russia in Ukraine.

I waive the American flag, the one that stood opposed to USSR and Russia since our armies met in Berlin in 1944. That gives me purpose and meaning. And I am far from a Biden lover, but the little cognition he had left remembered who our true enemy is. I cannot take seriously Putin lovers in this country who have been duped by the Russia propaganda machine.
 
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No, I am not. I don’t want any sovereign nation to be invaded by another nation. I’m criticizing America’s “holier than thou” attitude about the situation, and pointing out that if we were in Russia’s situation, we would do what Russia did.
I am just going to have to disagree with you on that one that we would invade a neighboring nation if they aligned with an enemy. I put the US over Russia when it comes to making decisions about starting war, especially with Putin's track record. And I have an issue with saying that Russia was "forced" to invade when Ukraine was discussing entering NATO. He has coveted that land since the USSR broke up. He did not invade Finland or Sweden when they joined NATO a few years ago.
 
I've got news for you. The Russians and the Ukrainians are two sides of the same coin. One is a corrupt as the other.
That’s just a stupid position to take. It’s an entirely unsupportable argument that one would only try and make in a failed effort to justify our decision to switch sides in the middle of a war, which is exactly what Trump’s endless lies about Ukraine and the total absence of criticism of Putin represents.

The analysis below doesn’t even take into account the 38 journalists murdered under Putin or the many documented, heinous war crimes committed by Russian forces over the last three years in Ukraine.

AI Alert:

The statement that “Ukraine and Russia are equally corrupt” is unsupportable because it implies a moral and political equivalence that is contradicted by evidence, context, and the substantial differences in governance, accountability, and anti-corruption measures in both countries.

Here’s why:

1. Transparency and Democratic Institutions:
Ukraine, while historically struggling with corruption, has demonstrated significant progress in developing transparent and democratic institutions. It has implemented anti-corruption reforms, including the establishment of specialized anti-corruption courts, investigative bodies (e.g., the National Anti-Corruption Bureau of Ukraine, NABU), and civil-society-driven transparency initiatives.
Russia, by contrast, has seen a consolidation of authoritarian rule under Putin, systematically dismantling independent media, judiciary, and oversight bodies that might check corruption.
2. Civil Society and Media Freedom:
Ukraine enjoys vibrant civil society organizations, independent media, and strong civic activism that continually pressure the government to tackle corruption. High-profile cases and corruption scandals are frequently exposed, leading to prosecution and public accountability.
Russia’s independent media landscape and civil society have been severely curtailed, activists face imprisonment, and anti-corruption organizations have been systematically suppressed or labeled as “foreign agents.”
3. International Corruption Indices:
Independent assessments clearly differentiate Ukraine and Russia. For example, Transparency International’s annual Corruption Perceptions Index consistently ranks Russia significantly worse than Ukraine, reflecting differences in governance, accountability, and public-sector integrity. While both nations have corruption issues, the scope and systemic nature of corruption in Russia are markedly deeper and more entrenched.
4. Political and Institutional Will:
Ukraine has openly acknowledged corruption as a systemic problem and is actively engaged with Western partners to implement reforms. The Ukrainian government actively participates in international anti-corruption efforts as part of its EU accession requirements, and maintains close cooperation with international organizations (IMF, EU, USAID) that demand measurable anti-corruption progress as conditions for aid and diplomatic support.
Conversely, the Russian government denies systemic corruption, resists reform pressures, and even uses corruption strategically as a political tool to consolidate power domestically and exert influence abroad.
5. Accountability and Rule of Law:
In Ukraine, despite imperfections, corruption scandals have led to public resignations, prosecutions, and criminal sentences for high-ranking officials. Russia rarely experiences genuine accountability for corruption; powerful elites closely aligned with the regime enjoy near-total immunity, with prosecutions often politically motivated rather than reflective of legitimate accountability efforts.

In short, claiming both countries are “equally corrupt” ignores substantial differences in governance, democratic accountability, civic freedoms, institutional transparency, and the seriousness of anti-corruption efforts. While corruption remains a challenge in both nations, equating the two obscures the complexities and undermines efforts and reforms that Ukraine has actively pursued and implemented—efforts conspicuously absent under Russia’s current regime.
 
That’s just a stupid position to take. It’s an entirely unsupportable argument that one would only try and make in a failed effort to justify our decision to switch sides in the middle of a war, which is exactly what Trump’s endless lies about Ukraine and the total absence of criticism of Putin represents.

The analysis below doesn’t even take into account the 38 journalists murdered under Putin or the many documented, heinous war crimes committed by Russian forces over the last three years in Ukraine.

AI Alert:

The statement that “Ukraine and Russia are equally corrupt” is unsupportable because it implies a moral and political equivalence that is contradicted by evidence, context, and the substantial differences in governance, accountability, and anti-corruption measures in both countries.

Here’s why:

1. Transparency and Democratic Institutions:
Ukraine, while historically struggling with corruption, has demonstrated significant progress in developing transparent and democratic institutions. It has implemented anti-corruption reforms, including the establishment of specialized anti-corruption courts, investigative bodies (e.g., the National Anti-Corruption Bureau of Ukraine, NABU), and civil-society-driven transparency initiatives.
Russia, by contrast, has seen a consolidation of authoritarian rule under Putin, systematically dismantling independent media, judiciary, and oversight bodies that might check corruption.
2. Civil Society and Media Freedom:
Ukraine enjoys vibrant civil society organizations, independent media, and strong civic activism that continually pressure the government to tackle corruption. High-profile cases and corruption scandals are frequently exposed, leading to prosecution and public accountability.
Russia’s independent media landscape and civil society have been severely curtailed, activists face imprisonment, and anti-corruption organizations have been systematically suppressed or labeled as “foreign agents.”
3. International Corruption Indices:
Independent assessments clearly differentiate Ukraine and Russia. For example, Transparency International’s annual Corruption Perceptions Index consistently ranks Russia significantly worse than Ukraine, reflecting differences in governance, accountability, and public-sector integrity. While both nations have corruption issues, the scope and systemic nature of corruption in Russia are markedly deeper and more entrenched.
4. Political and Institutional Will:
Ukraine has openly acknowledged corruption as a systemic problem and is actively engaged with Western partners to implement reforms. The Ukrainian government actively participates in international anti-corruption efforts as part of its EU accession requirements, and maintains close cooperation with international organizations (IMF, EU, USAID) that demand measurable anti-corruption progress as conditions for aid and diplomatic support.
Conversely, the Russian government denies systemic corruption, resists reform pressures, and even uses corruption strategically as a political tool to consolidate power domestically and exert influence abroad.
5. Accountability and Rule of Law:
In Ukraine, despite imperfections, corruption scandals have led to public resignations, prosecutions, and criminal sentences for high-ranking officials. Russia rarely experiences genuine accountability for corruption; powerful elites closely aligned with the regime enjoy near-total immunity, with prosecutions often politically motivated rather than reflective of legitimate accountability efforts.

In short, claiming both countries are “equally corrupt” ignores substantial differences in governance, democratic accountability, civic freedoms, institutional transparency, and the seriousness of anti-corruption efforts. While corruption remains a challenge in both nations, equating the two obscures the complexities and undermines efforts and reforms that Ukraine has actively pursued and implemented—efforts conspicuously absent under Russia’s current regime.
There needs to be a study on the influence of Musk buying X and the disproportionate spread of misinformation among the American public. It is alarming that these folks are making what they believe to be pro-American "hot takes," when in reality, they are merely justifying Russian aggression.
 
There needs to be a study on the influence of Musk buying X and the disproportionate spread of misinformation among the American public. It is alarming that these folks are making what they believe to be pro-American "hot takes," when in reality, they are merely justifying Russian aggression.
As if there were any doubt remaining, today we made it official. We are aligned with Russia, Belarus North Korea, Hungary and Sudan against the world. We refused to sign a declaration condemning Russia for launching the war.

 
As if there were any doubt remaining, today we made it official. We are aligned with Russia, Belarus North Korea, Hungary and Sudan against the world. We refused to sign a declaration condemning Russia for launching the war.

I support most of what this Administration is doing, but this is not one of them. Russia is our enemy along with China, Iran, N. Korea, and Muslim terrorist. You cannot placate these people, you need to eliminate them.
 
I support most of what this Administration is doing, but this is not one of them. Russia is our enemy along with China, Iran, N. Korea, and Muslim terrorist. You cannot placate these people, you need to eliminate them.
I appreciate the willingness to acknowledge a disagreement with the administration.

I’d be willing to wager that your list is going to grow, but some on here would consider me biased on the topic.
 
Sounding more and more like the pee tape exists, and Vlad is blackmailing the Orange Jesus.

Or, as many have said, Trump is a long time Russian agent.

Got to be one of the two.
 
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