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Basically the judge found that Musk and DOGE likely violated the Constitution when they acted to shut down USAID. Specifically, the Appointments Clause and separation of powers. Because "on paper" Musk might not have formal legal authority even if he is actually exercising significant authority of governmental matters, would be an "...end run around the Appointments Clause". Can anyone say with a straight face that Musk isn't "running" DOGE? Trump continues to make a mockery of any rules that get in his way.

Yes, there is plenty of Government waste and I hope to see real effective reform. So far I'm just seeing a legal disaster and people's lives being left in limbo. This concept of indiscriminately doing something and saying they can clean it up later is nonsense. USAID isn't the only example. I'm tired of "fear porn" and TDS as a response when one can't deal with how things are being done. I sure hope we see some improvement soon, but I'm not optimistic.
 
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superdawg51 said:
I didn’t vote for a single judge on November 5th. SCOTUS needs to put these fools in their place asap.
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Don't know what your voting has to do with this, but can you explain why this judge is a fool? Because you don't like a law doesn't make what you do legal. I can think of a justice who doesn't belong on the SCOTUS, but that's how it goes.

Do you want to say that Musk isn't running DOGE.?
 
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celticdawg said:

Basically the judge found that Musk and DOGE likely violated the Constitution when they acted to shut down USAID. Specifically, the Appointments Clause and separation of powers. Because "on paper" Musk might not have formal legal authority even if he is actually exercising significant authority of governmental matters, would be an "...end run around the Appointments Clause". Can anyone say with a straight face that Musk isn't "running" DOGE? Trump continues to make a mockery of any rules that get in his way.

Yes, there is plenty of Government waste and I hope to see real effective reform. So far I'm just seeing a legal disaster and people's lives being left in limbo. This concept of indiscriminately doing something and saying they can clean it up later is nonsense. USAID isn't the only example. I'm tired of "fear porn" and TDS as a response when one can't deal with how things are being done. I sure hope we see some improvement soon, but I'm not optimistic.
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This judge will eventually be overruled and Democrat popularity will decline further.
Even when they win, they lose.
 
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celticdawg said:

Basically the judge found that Musk and DOGE likely violated the Constitution when they acted to shut down USAID. Specifically, the Appointments Clause and separation of powers. Because "on paper" Musk might not have formal legal authority even if he is actually exercising significant authority of governmental matters, would be an "...end run around the Appointments Clause". Can anyone say with a straight face that Musk isn't "running" DOGE? Trump continues to make a mockery of any rules that get in his way.

Yes, there is plenty of Government waste and I hope to see real effective reform. So far I'm just seeing a legal disaster and people's lives being left in limbo. This concept of indiscriminately doing something and saying they can clean it up later is nonsense. USAID isn't the only example. I'm tired of "fear porn" and TDS as a response when one can't deal with how things are being done. I sure hope we see some improvement soon, but I'm not optimistic.
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If the people getting laid off if they really wanted their you think maybe would gonen to the office at least a couple ntime over the last four years
 
celticdawg said:

Basically the judge found that Musk and DOGE likely violated the Constitution when they acted to shut down USAID. Specifically, the Appointments Clause and separation of powers. Because "on paper" Musk might not have formal legal authority even if he is actually exercising significant authority of governmental matters, would be an "...end run around the Appointments Clause". Can anyone say with a straight face that Musk isn't "running" DOGE? Trump continues to make a mockery of any rules that get in his way.

Yes, there is plenty of Government waste and I hope to see real effective reform. So far I'm just seeing a legal disaster and people's lives being left in limbo. This concept of indiscriminately doing something and saying they can clean it up later is nonsense. USAID isn't the only example. I'm tired of "fear porn" and TDS as a response when one can't deal with how things are being done. I sure hope we see some improvement soon, but I'm not optimistic.
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And the Chief Justice felt compelled to weigh in on Trump and Musk's calls to impeach judges who rule against the administration.

When it's all said and done, Roberts and ACB may just end up saving the Republic.





 
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Utley1992 said:
You also have the world's richest man openly calling to remove judges doing their constitutional role.
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I’ve written off the MAGA true believers, their brains are fully cooked and they aren’t coming back.

What I don’t understand are the otherwise rational people who voted for Trump, now watching this shit show and still ignoring it or making excuses for it.
 
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willdup said:
I’ve written off the MAGA true believers, their brains are fully cooked and they aren’t coming back.

What I don’t understand are the otherwise rational people who voted for Trump, now watching this shit show and still ignoring it or making excuses for it.
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The sad thing is Musk is everything MAGA claims George Soros is. A billionaire immigrant using his wealth to influence politics to further his political and economic gain. In reality this is just the logical conclusion of Citizens United.
 
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Utley1992 said:
The sad thing is Musk is everything MAGA claims George Soros is. A billionaire immigrant using his wealth to influence politics to further his political and economic gain. In reality this is just the logical conclusion of Citizens United.
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Agreed. January 21st, 2010 and everything flows from there.

At least our POTUS remains a beacon of dignity and respect.

 
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celticdawg said:

Basically the judge found that Musk and DOGE likely violated the Constitution when they acted to shut down USAID. Specifically, the Appointments Clause and separation of powers. Because "on paper" Musk might not have formal legal authority even if he is actually exercising significant authority of governmental matters, would be an "...end run around the Appointments Clause". Can anyone say with a straight face that Musk isn't "running" DOGE? Trump continues to make a mockery of any rules that get in his way.

Yes, there is plenty of Government waste and I hope to see real effective reform. So far I'm just seeing a legal disaster and people's lives being left in limbo. This concept of indiscriminately doing something and saying they can clean it up later is nonsense. USAID isn't the only example. I'm tired of "fear porn" and TDS as a response when one can't deal with how things are being done. I sure hope we see some improvement soon, but I'm not optimistic.
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Hey libs!! Trump has the authority to shut down this program. You ass holes forget he is the President of this country. He has the authority to make decisions on all administrative matters and that is what it is.
 
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stray said:
This judge will eventually be overruled and Democrat popularity will decline further.
Even when they win, they lose.
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Legalclarity--scope of power of federal judges

The link above goes into detail on the power and scope of each level of the Federal Judiciary.
One quote from this publication constitutes my main concern with the decision of Judge Boasberg is as follows:

"District courts, as trial courts, do not create binding precedent for other courts. While their decisions may be persuasive in similar cases, they are not authoritative beyond the specific case at hand. These courts focus on fact-finding and applying existing law to the unique circumstances of each case. For example, in a federal criminal trial, a district court judge may interpret sentencing guidelines or evidentiary rules, but their interpretation is not binding on other district courts or higher courts."
With the above in mind, is Boasbergs decision binding outside his District? Also, because Boasberg is the Federal District Judge for the District of Columbia is his decision binding on the President due to location? Also after the 14 day temporary stay is over then what happens?
This will eventually be decided by the Supreme Court and it will put this to rest.
 
Wish we did not have judges who are so overwhelmingly partisan. Then there likely would be less discussions like this. One side is puffing their chest out and posting from a side of complete and utter bullshit. They are loving activist judges interfering in foreign policy. I will give brimur some credit for his opinion. When the shoe is on the other foot, I hope these same posters feel exactly the same. I would bet just about anything they will be doing anything but supporting these same acts.
 
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Athens is Heaven said:
Hey libs!! Trump has the authority to shut down this program. You ass holes forget he is the President of this country. He has the authority to make decisions on all administrative matters and that is what it is.
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Hey fashys, judges have the ability to weigh in on and restrict executive authority. If you have a problem with that get the fuck out of the country.
 
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zingerdawg said:
Wish we did not have judges who are so overwhelmingly partisan. Then there likely would be less discussions like this. One side is puffing their chest out and posting from a side of complete and utter bullshit. They are loving activist judges interfering in foreign policy. I will give brimur some credit for his opinion. When the shoe is on the other foot, I hope these same posters feel exactly the same. I would bet just about anything they will be doing anything but supporting these same acts.
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Do you consider Eileen Cannon partisan, or are judges only partisan when they impede your preferred political outcomes?
 
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Utley1992 said:
Hey fashys, judges have the ability to weigh in on and restrict executive authority. If you have a problem with that get the fuck out of the country.
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No Judge has the authority to make our President stop him from deporting these illegal criminals. You bleeding heart liberals need to just shut up and let our President do his job!
 
celticdawg said:

Basically the judge found that Musk and DOGE likely violated the Constitution when they acted to shut down USAID. Specifically, the Appointments Clause and separation of powers. Because "on paper" Musk might not have formal legal authority even if he is actually exercising significant authority of governmental matters, would be an "...end run around the Appointments Clause". Can anyone say with a straight face that Musk isn't "running" DOGE? Trump continues to make a mockery of any rules that get in his way.

Yes, there is plenty of Government waste and I hope to see real effective reform. So far I'm just seeing a legal disaster and people's lives being left in limbo. This concept of indiscriminately doing something and saying they can clean it up later is nonsense. USAID isn't the only example. I'm tired of "fear porn" and TDS as a response when one can't deal with how things are being done. I sure hope we see some improvement soon, but I'm not optimistic.
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The president’s power to shake up government operations is pretty wide, especially for stuff like cutting waste, like how FDR used “czars” to get things done without formal titles.

You’re right that the Appointments Clause (U.S. Const., Art. II, Sec. 2) and separation of powers put some brakes on, particularly for big-shot independent roles, but cases like Myers v. United States show the president’s got a lot of room to run the show. Sure, Humphrey’s Executor v. United States limits firing some agency heads, but it doesn’t really stop Musk from advising DOGE under Trump’s wing. Courts tend to let the president roll with it if it’s within the law, even when people cry foul.

Congress sets up agencies like USAID (Foreign Assistance Act of 1961), but the president’s leeway to tweak things, especially with budgets and efficiency, is bigger than you’re giving credit for.

Your take makes the balance between the president and Congress sound too simple, mixing up Congress’s power to create agencies with the president’s ability to shift them around. Past examples and laws like 31 U.S.C. § 1301 (budget rules) show the president can make bold moves, so your point about constitutional messes and chaos doesn’t fully hold up.
 
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Athens is Heaven said:
No Judge has the authority to make our President stop him from deporting these illegal criminals. You bleeding heart liberals need to just shut up and let our President do his job!
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celticdawg said:
Don't know what your voting has to do with this, but can you explain why this judge is a fool? Because you don't like a law doesn't make what you do legal. I can think of a justice who doesn't belong on the SCOTUS, but that's how it goes.

Do you want to say that Musk isn't running DOGE.?
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The President is running this country and you libs just need to accept it!
 
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willdup said:
And the Chief Justice felt compelled to weigh in on Trump and Musk's calls to impeach judges who rule against the administration.

When it's all said and done, Roberts and ACB may just end up saving the Republic.

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Please tell me that twitter message (the one in black) wasn't really written by someone who is President of the United States. Regardless of the message it sounds like a raving lunatic.
 
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Athens is Heaven said:
No Judge has the authority to make our President stop him from deporting these illegal criminals. You bleeding heart liberals need to just shut up and let our President do his job!
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Sorry dude, but I don't bow to authority simply bc weak men tell me too. I'm capable of thinking on my own. I'm also able to understand how laws work and since we are not at war, the Alien Enemies Act is not applicable.
 
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Athens is Heaven said:
The President is running this country and you libs just need to accept it!
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Here’s a short primer you and some others on the Chat may find helpful!

The separation of powers is a fundamental principle of the U.S. government, designed to prevent any one branch from gaining too much power. It divides the government into three distinct branches:

1. **Legislative Branch (Congress)** – Makes laws.
- Consists of the House of Representatives and the Senate.
- Has powers like passing laws, declaring war, regulating commerce, and controlling taxation and spending.

2. **Executive Branch (President & Administration)** – Enforces laws.
- The President is the head of state and government, responsible for implementing and enforcing laws passed by Congress.
- Includes the Vice President, Cabinet members, and federal agencies.
- The President can veto bills, negotiate treaties, and act as Commander-in-Chief of the military.

3. **Judicial Branch (Supreme Court & Federal Courts)** – Interprets laws.
- Ensures laws and executive actions comply with the Constitution.
- Can declare laws or executive actions unconstitutional through judicial review (established in *Marbury v. Madison*).

### **Checks and Balances**
Each branch has powers that check the others to maintain balance:
- The President can veto legislation, but Congress can override the veto with a two-thirds vote.
- The Senate confirms presidential appointments and can remove officials through impeachment.
- The Supreme Court can strike down laws or executive actions that violate the Constitution.
- Congress can amend the Constitution or pass new laws to override judicial decisions.

This system ensures that power is shared and prevents authoritarian rule.
 
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At least the people who voted for Trump have brains, the libs brains on this board never fully formed! Slowcoach is one way to phrase it, another is dumbass!
 
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willdup said:
Here’s a short primer you and some others on the Chat may find helpful!

The separation of powers is a fundamental principle of the U.S. government, designed to prevent any one branch from gaining too much power. It divides the government into three distinct branches:

1. **Legislative Branch (Congress)** – Makes laws.
- Consists of the House of Representatives and the Senate.
- Has powers like passing laws, declaring war, regulating commerce, and controlling taxation and spending.

2. **Executive Branch (President & Administration)** – Enforces laws.
- The President is the head of state and government, responsible for implementing and enforcing laws passed by Congress.
- Includes the Vice President, Cabinet members, and federal agencies.
- The President can veto bills, negotiate treaties, and act as Commander-in-Chief of the military.

3. **Judicial Branch (Supreme Court & Federal Courts)** – Interprets laws.
- Ensures laws and executive actions comply with the Constitution.
- Can declare laws or executive actions unconstitutional through judicial review (established in *Marbury v. Madison*).

### **Checks and Balances**
Each branch has powers that check the others to maintain balance:
- The President can veto legislation, but Congress can override the veto with a two-thirds vote.
- The Senate confirms presidential appointments and can remove officials through impeachment.
- The Supreme Court can strike down laws or executive actions that violate the Constitution.
- Congress can amend the Constitution or pass new laws to override judicial decisions.

This system ensures that power is shared and prevents authoritarian rule.
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This is an incredibly simplistic take that demonstrates none of the nuance or specific legal arguments at hand. If you want to engage in specifics, I'm game. But, I've already addressed it in other threads.
 
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willdup said:
Here’s a short primer you and some others on the Chat may find helpful!

The separation of powers is a fundamental principle of the U.S. government, designed to prevent any one branch from gaining too much power. It divides the government into three distinct branches:

1. **Legislative Branch (Congress)** – Makes laws.
- Consists of the House of Representatives and the Senate.
- Has powers like passing laws, declaring war, regulating commerce, and controlling taxation and spending.

2. **Executive Branch (President & Administration)** – Enforces laws.
- The President is the head of state and government, responsible for implementing and enforcing laws passed by Congress.
- Includes the Vice President, Cabinet members, and federal agencies.
- The President can veto bills, negotiate treaties, and act as Commander-in-Chief of the military.

3. **Judicial Branch (Supreme Court & Federal Courts)** – Interprets laws.
- Ensures laws and executive actions comply with the Constitution.
- Can declare laws or executive actions unconstitutional through judicial review (established in *Marbury v. Madison*).

### **Checks and Balances**
Each branch has powers that check the others to maintain balance:
- The President can veto legislation, but Congress can override the veto with a two-thirds vote.
- The Senate confirms presidential appointments and can remove officials through impeachment.
- The Supreme Court can strike down laws or executive actions that violate the Constitution.
- Congress can amend the Constitution or pass new laws to override judicial decisions.

This system ensures that power is shared and prevents authoritarian rule.
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These radical judges can’t tell the President what to do about immigration I know he has to appeal it to a higher court but in the end he will win 🥇
 
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At least the people who voted for Trump have brains, the libs brains on this board never fully formed! Slowcoach is one way to phrase it, another is dumbass!
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Spoken by someone who can't even add anything to the discussion. Is this all above your head? At least Lava-Man addresses the issue.
 
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celticdawg said:
Please tell me that twitter message (the one in black) wasn't really written by someone who is President of the United States. Regardless of the message it sounds like a raving lunatic.
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Here’s the real kicker.

ICE has admitted that a number of the “gang members” deported to hell-hole prisons in El Salvador had never previously been charged with a crime, much less convicted of one.

ICE is also detaining green card holders and visiting nationals with valid passports for no stated reason.

And what our MAGA friends fail to realize is that once due process is out the door, no one is safe from an authoritarian government. It always starts with the “others”, until “others” includes anyone who resists authority.
 
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It’s amazing that libs are excited about possibly keeping a whole lot of wasteful spending funded by their tax dollars. Strange times indeed.
 
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ugaboz said:
maybe not to you lol
you voted for harris, think about that for a minute
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ugaboz said:
again the feeling is mutual corky
carry on once again
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Lava-Man said:
This is an incredibly simplistic take that demonstrates none of the nuance or specific legal arguments at hand. If you want to engage in specifics, I'm game. But, I've already addressed it in other threads.
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I know I'm coming across as a bit harsh. I apologize. But, come on man. There is no discussion there and no valid point or endgame in making them. It is posts like the one you made that hurt the points you're supporting more than help.

I don't think you're aware how dumb they come across as. It's bad.
 
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