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At least some judges are willing to stand up to Trump and Musk.

Honest question - do you not support getting these guys the eff out of our country? Why the fight here? These are TDA gang members here illegally.
Are they all TDA gang members here illegally?

ICE stated in a court affidavit that a number of those deported to El Salvador had never been convicted or even charged with a crime. It seems a primary determinant for deportation was the presence of certain tattoos. Who makes the determination which tattoos get you dropped into a hellhole prison in another country and which don't? Are you confident that this process isn't being abused, and innocent people aren't having their lives destroyed in this extra-judicial process?

If our legal system fails to serve and protect everyone, then the risk is it doesn't serve or protect anyone. This concept is absolutely foundational to our aspiration of delivering life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That's why due process is specifically identified in the Constitution and why it is so important.
 
- Upheld parts of a work requirements bill for a Medicaid program in Kentucky
Might need to update your AI engagement ;) As that's False. He did not uphold any part of the Kentucky work requirements; rather, he halted their implementation. From NPR ---> LINK

If you can provide a link to where he upheld any "part", I'd appreciate it. I can't find it.

Some of the other things on your list are more nuanced than you suggest, but I'll take no further issue with them.
 
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Might need to update your AI engagement ;) As that's False. He did not uphold any part of the Kentucky work requirements; rather, he halted their implementation. From NPR ---> LINK

If you can provide a link to where he upheld any "part", I'd appreciate it. I can't find it.

Some of the other things on your list are more nuanced than you suggest, but I'll take no further issue with them.
Given that is the least notable example in making my case that the judge is not a "radical, leftist", I'll concede the point and move on.
 
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Are they all TDA gang members here illegally?

ICE stated in a court affidavit that a number of those deported to El Salvador had never been convicted or even charged with a crime. It seems a primary determinant for deportation was the presence of certain tattoos. Who makes the determination which tattoos get you dropped into a hellhole prison in another country and which don't? Are you confident that this process isn't being abused, and innocent people aren't having their lives destroyed in this extra-judicial process?

If our legal system fails to serve and protect everyone, then the risk is it doesn't serve or protect anyone. This concept is absolutely foundational to our aspiration of delivering life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That's why due process is specifically identified in the Constitution and why it is so important.
Don’t you find it just a little bit ridiculous though that for four years we had a “look the other way” enforcement policy that led to 14 million illegals?

And now we are getting the legal microscope out to proactively sue to make sure 300 gang members here illegally aren’t wrongly deported?

14 million. 300.

I say all this acknowledging that you have been critical of Biden border policy. But the question remains - even if it is Trump at the head of it….isn’t this specific case of TDA gang members getting booted the wrong fight to pick?

For sake of argument what if 20 of them aren’t TDA members and are just associated with them somehow…..and hypothetically after a legal battle they got to stay here a little longer. Before ultimately being deported because they are illegal aliens? Is that the end game here?

There may be some instances where you can just say “yeah. Boot em”. Notwithstanding the “but that gives Trump too much power” argument.
 
Don’t you find it just a little bit ridiculous though that for four years we had a “look the other way” enforcement policy that led to 14 million illegals?

And now we are getting the legal microscope out to proactively sue to make sure 300 gang members here illegally aren’t wrongly deported?

14 million. 300.

I say all this acknowledging that you have been critical of Biden border policy. But the question remains - even if it is Trump at the head of it….isn’t this specific case of TDA gang members getting booted the wrong fight to pick?

For sake of argument what if 20 of them aren’t TDA members and are just associated with them somehow…..and hypothetically after a legal battle they got to stay here a little longer. Before ultimately being deported because they are illegal aliens? Is that the end game here?

There may be some instances where you can just say “yeah. Boot em”. Notwithstanding the “but that gives Trump too much power” argument.
It's the ultimate slippery slope. If accused gang members don't deserve due process, who is next and where does it stop?

We don't just get to arbitrarily decide "The line is here". That takes the power out of laws and the courts and puts it in the hands of individuals, which is the path to tyranny.
 
It's the ultimate slippery slope. If accused gang members don't deserve due process, who is next and where does it stop?

We don't just get to arbitrarily decide "The line is here". That takes the power out of laws and the courts and puts it in the hands of individuals, which is the path to tyranny.
They were criminals and they needed to be booted out of this country. It was Biden’s fault that they are in prison he should never have let them into the country to start with.
 
You're right. I should have paid more attention to what you replied to. Please find my posts in other threads on this topic if you want to engage further.
Perhaps Pam Bondi could use my short Separation of Powers brief posted above.

She sounds like an idiot here.

 
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Don’t you find it just a little bit ridiculous though that for four years we had a “look the other way” enforcement policy that led to 14 million illegals?

And now we are getting the legal microscope out to proactively sue to make sure 300 gang members here illegally aren’t wrongly deported?

14 million. 300.

I say all this acknowledging that you have been critical of Biden border policy. But the question remains - even if it is Trump at the head of it….isn’t this specific case of TDA gang members getting booted the wrong fight to pick?

For sake of argument what if 20 of them aren’t TDA members and are just associated with them somehow…..and hypothetically after a legal battle they got to stay here a little longer. Before ultimately being deported because they are illegal aliens? Is that the end game here?

There may be some instances where you can just say “yeah. Boot em”. Notwithstanding the “but that gives Trump too much power” argument.
Regarding my concerns...

Pardon me if I don't trust this administration's assurance of the proper treatment of immigrants.

 
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Perhaps Pam Bondi could use my short Separation of Powers brief posted above.

She sounds like an idiot here.

She is correct. He has no authority over the President. One just cannot stop the government from running. If it was the Supreme Court sure they could but one judge especially an appointed radical by Obama can overturn Trump’s decisions and he surly can’t order him around like he’s trying to do.
 
She is correct. He has no authority over the President. One just cannot stop the government from running. If it was the Supreme Court sure they could but one judge especially an appointed radical by Obama can overturn Trump’s decisions and he surly can’t order him around like he’s trying to do.
Apparently, my first primer on separation of powers didn't take. Maybe Claude provides a more effective version.

Separation of Powers in the United States​

Constitutional Foundation​

The U.S. Constitution establishes three distinct branches of government, each with separate powers:
  1. Legislative Branch (Article I): Congress, consisting of the Senate and House of Representatives
  2. Executive Branch (Article II): The President and executive departments/agencies
  3. Judicial Branch (Article III): The Supreme Court and lower federal courts

Legislative Branch Powers​

  • Lawmaking: Drafts and passes federal legislation
  • Taxation & Spending: Controls the federal budget and appropriations
  • Oversight: Investigates executive activities through committees
  • Confirmation: Senate confirms presidential appointments and treaties
  • Impeachment: House can impeach and Senate can try federal officials

Executive Branch Powers​

  • Law Enforcement: Implements and enforces federal laws
  • Foreign Policy: Conducts diplomacy and negotiates treaties
  • Commander-in-Chief: Leads the armed forces
  • Appointments: Nominates federal judges and executive officials
  • Veto Power: Can reject legislation passed by Congress

Judicial Branch Powers​

  • Judicial Review: Determines constitutionality of laws and executive actions
  • Case Resolution: Settles disputes involving federal law
  • Interpretation: Establishes precedent through court decisions
  • Check on Other Branches: Can invalidate unconstitutional actions

Key Checks and Balances​

  • On Executive Power:
    • Congress can override presidential vetoes with 2/3 majority
    • Senate confirms or rejects executive appointments
    • Congress controls funding for executive initiatives
    • Supreme Court can rule executive actions unconstitutional
  • On Legislative Power:
    • President can veto legislation
    • Supreme Court can invalidate unconstitutional laws
    • Executive determines how laws are implemented
  • On Judicial Power:
    • President nominates federal judges
    • Senate confirms judicial appointments
    • Congress can impeach judges
    • Congress can propose constitutional amendments to override Court interpretations

Evolution and Tensions​

The separation of powers has evolved through:
  • Landmark Supreme Court decisions (e.g., Marbury v. Madison)
  • Shifting power balances during national crises
  • Growth of administrative agencies
  • Development of political norms and practices
 
Look, I don’t mean to nitpick or anything—it’s not really my style—but I couldn’t help but notice a little issue with your statement. You said, “No new narrative because I am sure Trump will continue to not follow the law,” and then tied it to “it’s all part of the process.” But here’s the thing—and I hate to be that guy—if a judge’s ruling gets overturned, it means, legally speaking, that Trump didn’t actually break the law in that case. Like, technically. I know it’s confusing, and no one really likes hearing this stuff from me, but it’s just how the paperwork shakes out. So saying he’s not following the law might not totally fit there. Just pointing it out.



I’ve got to disagree with a couple points here. You said Trump didn’t present evidence that “they weren’t doing their job,” but I think we might be missing the mark a bit. The issue wasn’t about trans people not doing their jobs—no one’s saying that. It’s more about the Executive Branch, you know, the President’s team, having the authority to set fitness standards for the military. That’s their call, not really something a judge steps in and starts tossing evidence around for. Judges don’t do that—it’s a big no-no for them, actually. They just rule on what’s in front of them.

And about the discrimination part—saying he’s “following his prejudices” and letting people discriminate again—I’m not sure that holds up either. The policy isn’t about targeting anyone for who they are. It’s about medical and readiness standards. For example, the 2018 Mattis policy, which came out of all this, focused on deployability and mental health stats—like how 41% of trans individuals have higher rates of psychological conditions compared to the general population, per some studies. That’s not prejudice; it’s just data the military uses to keep things running smoothly. I know it’s not a fun topic, and I’m probably the last person you want explaining this, but I figured I’d clear that up. I’ll just head back to my desk now.

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I get your point in that the ultimate ruling is what counts. But laws are sometimes interpreted differently, so I'll be picky and say that it could have been illegal as ruled, but this is just words. I will add that I have seen a Governor violate the State Constitution (actually an amendment which is part of the Constitution) and get away with it. I would still say he violated the law.

Regarding discrimination, Trump has issued an executive order that businesses paid with taxpayer dollars in contracts no longer have to ensure that the company doesn't discriminate. Now state and federal laws still outlaw segregation in all companies, so what the hell is Trump doing. I say it's quite symbolic of Trump's prejudices which he has certainly shown in the past. You can disagree all you want (not saying you will), but please explain why he would put that in a executive order.

It's not about readiness, etc. It's about Trump's prejudice against transgender individuals. He's pretty clear about it. In Bostock v. Clayton County in 2020, the majority opinion by conservative Justice Neil Gorsuch found that it is impossible to discriminate against a person for being homosexual or transgender without discriminating against that individual based on sex. The judge in yesterday's case said the President has the power to ensure military readiness. She said that Trump failed to justify the policy by stating its impact on military readiness, harmed thousands of transgender service members, and likely violated the US Constitution (that pesky document). I'm sure this will wind up at the Supreme Court again.

I'm only mentioning this since you brought it up otherwise would not have gone here). Yes, transgender people have more mental issues according to studies. But you didn't mention what some studies indicate as a big reason for that. It's the prejudice shown against them by so many in the population. People keep on trying to beat them down like they have done something wrong. Think about how worse you would function if submitted to a similar barrage for whatever reason and were constantly told how bad you where.
 
It's the ultimate slippery slope. If accused gang members don't deserve due process, who is next and where does it stop?

We don't just get to arbitrarily decide "The line is here". That takes the power out of laws and the courts and puts it in the hands of individuals, which is the path to tyranny.
In theory sure. And if you believe Trump is Hitler that’s a risk. He’s not. Simply trying to remove bad guys from our country.
 
I get your point in that the ultimate ruling is what counts. But laws are sometimes interpreted differently, so I'll be picky and say that it could have been illegal as ruled, but this is just words. I will add that I have seen a Governor violate the State Constitution (actually an amendment which is part of the Constitution) and get away with it. I would still say he violated the law.

Regarding discrimination, Trump has issued an executive order that businesses paid with taxpayer dollars in contracts no longer have to ensure that the company doesn't discriminate. Now state and federal laws still outlaw segregation in all companies, so what the hell is Trump doing. I say it's quite symbolic of Trump's prejudices which he has certainly shown in the past. You can disagree all you want (not saying you will), but please explain why he would put that in a executive order.

It's not about readiness, etc. It's about Trump's prejudice against transgender individuals. He's pretty clear about it. In Bostock v. Clayton County in 2020, the majority opinion by conservative Justice Neil Gorsuch found that it is impossible to discriminate against a person for being homosexual or transgender without discriminating against that individual based on sex. The judge in yesterday's case said the President has the power to ensure military readiness. She said that Trump failed to justify the policy by stating its impact on military readiness, harmed thousands of transgender service members, and likely violated the US Constitution (that pesky document). I'm sure this will wind up at the Supreme Court again.

I'm only mentioning this since you brought it up otherwise would not have gone here). Yes, transgender people have more mental issues according to studies. But you didn't mention what some studies indicate as a big reason for that. It's the prejudice shown against them by so many in the population. People keep on trying to beat them down like they have done something wrong. Think about how worse you would function if submitted to a similar barrage for whatever reason and were constantly told how bad you where.
I remember the days when saying “phuck those violent raping criminals get their asses out of here. To hell with ACLU’s legal theory” was a universal / bipartisan view. It wasn’t that long ago. Hint: Shit changed in 2016.
 
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In theory sure. And if you believe Trump is Hitler that’s a risk. He’s not. Simply trying to remove bad guys from our country.
I’m not saying Trump is Hitler, but his recent pardons of hundreds of people convicted of beating the absolute crap out of policemen are extremely solid evidence that he cares more about getting what he wants then he does about fairness or law and order.
 
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I’m not saying Trump is Hitler, but his recent pardons of hundreds of people convicted of beating the absolute crap out of policemen are extremely solid evidence that he cares more about getting what he wants then he does about fairness or law and order.
I remember the days when saying “phuck those violent raping criminals get their asses out of here. To hell with ACLU’s legal theory” was a universal / bipartisan view. It wasn’t that long ago. Hint: Shit changed in 2016.
 
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I’m not saying Trump is Hitler, but his recent pardons of hundreds of people convicted of beating the absolute crap out of policemen are extremely solid evidence that he cares more about getting what he wants then he does about fairness or law and order.

I think you may be misusing "extremely solid evidence" 🤣

You're taking logical leaps and infer intent without actual evidence. I don't think your interpretation of an action or event (or anybody's, generally speaking) is proof of anything by itself. The burden’s on your argument to prove intent, and you haven’t.

There are several arguments for alternate intents that could be made, using other interpretations.

(note: I have zero desire to get into a discussion litigating J6 right now...just showing the flaw I see in your argument here ;) )
 
I think you may be misusing "extremely solid evidence" 🤣

You're taking logical leaps and infer intent without actual evidence. I don't think your interpretation of an action or event (or anybody's, generally speaking) is proof of anything by itself. The burden’s on your argument to prove intent, and you haven’t.

There are several arguments for alternate intents that could be made, using other interpretations.

(note: I have zero desire to get into a discussion litigating J6 right now...just showing the flaw I see in your argument here ;) )
Gonna back Will here in one area. He was vocally critical of Biden’s open border. Notwithstanding the J6 safe space he likes to audible to.
 
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I get your point in that the ultimate ruling is what counts. But laws are sometimes interpreted differently, so I'll be picky and say that it could have been illegal as ruled, but this is just words. I will add that I have seen a Governor violate the State Constitution (actually an amendment which is part of the Constitution) and get away with it. I would still say he violated the law.

Regarding discrimination, Trump has issued an executive order that businesses paid with taxpayer dollars in contracts no longer have to ensure that the company doesn't discriminate. Now state and federal laws still outlaw segregation in all companies, so what the hell is Trump doing. I say it's quite symbolic of Trump's prejudices which he has certainly shown in the past. You can disagree all you want (not saying you will), but please explain why he would put that in a executive order.

It's not about readiness, etc. It's about Trump's prejudice against transgender individuals. He's pretty clear about it. In Bostock v. Clayton County in 2020, the majority opinion by conservative Justice Neil Gorsuch found that it is impossible to discriminate against a person for being homosexual or transgender without discriminating against that individual based on sex. The judge in yesterday's case said the President has the power to ensure military readiness. She said that Trump failed to justify the policy by stating its impact on military readiness, harmed thousands of transgender service members, and likely violated the US Constitution (that pesky document). I'm sure this will wind up at the Supreme Court again.

I'm only mentioning this since you brought it up otherwise would not have gone here). Yes, transgender people have more mental issues according to studies. But you didn't mention what some studies indicate as a big reason for that. It's the prejudice shown against them by so many in the population. People keep on trying to beat them down like they have done something wrong. Think about how worse you would function if submitted to a similar barrage for whatever reason and were constantly told how bad you where.
Your point about the Governor violating the Constitution? Sure, it happens—Dwight got away with worse, like that fake fire drill. But the law doesn’t bend just because someone dodges accountability; it’s like Michael thinking his “Golden Ticket” discount would save Dunder Mifflin. Rulings matter, not just words.

Trump’s executive order on discrimination—you call it prejudice. Maybe, but it’s not rewriting laws. State and federal rules still hold; it’s more like Jim convincing Dwight to skip coffee filters—technically allowed, just sloppy. Intent’s murky, not a clear bias flag.

The transgender military issue—Bostock says sex covers transgender discrimination, true. But military readiness is the President’s call, like Michael putting me in charge of the chili cook-off cleanup. Weak justification? Sure. Unconstitutional? Grayer than you think.

Mental health struggles for transgender folks—absolutely they face mental health challenges. Those struggles could arguably impact their ability to serve—after all, the military disqualifies people for other mental health issues like severe anxiety or depression. But blaming Trump’s hatred entirely? He’s clumsy—like Dwight grilling me over the Scranton Strangler case —but that alone doesn’t confirm deliberate spite.

It’s messy, not black-and-white. Like mediating Kelly and Ryan—nobody wins, and I’m still the bad guy.
 
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Gonna back Will here in one area. He was vocally critical of Biden’s open border. Notwithstanding the J6 safe space he likes to audible to.
Absolutely. I was only referring to J6. I'm not sure anybody here has explicitly been in favor of Biden's border policies (that I've seen, at least...but, I don't see everything)
 
I think you may be misusing "extremely solid evidence" 🤣

You're taking logical leaps and infer intent without actual evidence. I don't think your interpretation of an action or event (or anybody's, generally speaking) is proof of anything by itself. The burden’s on your argument to prove intent, and you haven’t.

There are several arguments for alternate intents that could be made, using other interpretations.

(note: I have zero desire to get into a discussion litigating J6 right now...just showing the flaw I see in your argument here ;) )



Well, that did assault officers, and Trump did pardon them
 



Well, that did assault officers, and Trump did pardon them
Sure, but I stand by what I said regarding his statement:

"extremely solid evidence that he cares more about getting what he wants then he does about fairness or law and order."

It's not "extremely solid evidence". There are arguments for alternate intent, whether or not you agree with them or not...which negates it as "extremely solid evidence".

This is partially why prosecutors do not have to prove intent, even if juries really like knowing a "why".

Source: I've listened to a ton of Dateline 🤣😆😂
 
Sure, but I stand by what I said regarding his statement:

"extremely solid evidence that he cares more about getting what he wants then he does about fairness or law and order."

It's not "extremely solid evidence". There are arguments for alternate intent, whether or not you agree with them or not...which negates it as "extremely solid evidence".

This is partially why prosecutors do not have to prove intent, even if juries really like knowing a "why".

Source: I've listened to a ton of Dateline 🤣😆😂
Well, when has Trump accepted any judicial ruling that didn't go in his favor? When in the 40 odd years that he's been in public life has he simply accept being told no on anything?
 
Absolutely. I was only referring to J6. I'm not sure anybody here has explicitly been in favor of Biden's border policies (that I've seen, at least...but, I don't see everything)
Which is exactly why there should be a look the other way attitude about shit like getting rid of TDA. But the fact that Trump gets credit for it creates a tractor beam opposition. Dude could publicly ostracize the kicking of chocolate lab puppies and the left would sue to allow it. Craziest shit ever.
 
Sure, but I stand by what I said regarding his statement:

"extremely solid evidence that he cares more about getting what he wants then he does about fairness or law and order."

It's not "extremely solid evidence". There are arguments for alternate intent, whether or not you agree with them or not...which negates it as "extremely solid evidence".

This is partially why prosecutors do not have to prove intent, even if juries really like knowing a "why".

Source: I've listened to a ton of Dateline 🤣😆😂
That’s some major bait you threw out there only to say it’s time to go home for dinner…

Understanding that neither of us want to spend the rest of the night trading tomes, I’ll try and keep it brief.

Trump did not win the 2020 election.
The sacking of the Capitol was not justified.
The hundreds of people convicted of felony assault on the police are not heroes.
Those same people were not the only victims on that day. They were not victims in any way.

Trump has not suggested the above as truths, he has stated all of it as the absolute truth over and over again.

He pardoned them all, including people who had been sentenced to decades in prison for multiple felonies.

If you have an explanation for Trump’s words and deeds that doesn’t hinge on raw personal and political self interest at the expense of the impacted police and the rule of law, I’m all ears. I don’t see it.
 
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Well, when has Trump accepted any judicial ruling that didn't go in his favor? When in the 40 odd years that he's been in public life has he simply accept being told no on anything?
Those are two separate things and one doesn't prove the other.

A citizen disagreeing over a business disputes differs from exercising presidential power. It was literal use of constitutional power. Not liking it certainly does not prove what will stated above. Plenty of POTUS's have used that power to do things plenty of people disagree with. His actions "prove" nothing.

Leaving alternate intents unrefuted weakens any claim.

Consistent disputes do not confirm he ditches law.
 
Those are two separate things and one doesn't prove the other.

A citizen disagreeing over a business disputes differs from exercising presidential power. It was literal use of constitutional power. Not liking it certainly does not prove what will stated above. Plenty of POTUS's have used that power to do things plenty of people disagree with. His actions "prove" nothing.

Leaving alternate intents unrefuted weakens any claim.

Consistent disputes do not confirm he ditches law.
It's important bc it shows a consistency of behavior. I agree that there is a different in principle between the two, but we have 40 years of data with him, and it's pretty clear that he doesn't respect the rule of law pertaining to his actions
 
That’s some major bait you threw out there only to say it’s time to go home for dinner…

Understanding that neither of us want to spend the rest of the night trading tomes, I’ll try and keep it brief.

Trump did not win the 2020 election.
The sacking of the Capitol was not justified.
The hundreds of people convicted of felony assault on the police are not heroes.
Those same people were not the only victims on that day. They were not victims in any way.

Trump has not suggested the above as truths, he has stated all of it as the absolute truth over and over again.

He pardoned them all, including people who had been sentenced to decades in prison for multiple felonies.

If you have an explanation for Trump’s words and deeds that doesn’t hinge on raw personal and political self interest at the expense of the impacted police and the rule of law, I’m all ears. I don’t see it.

As I said, I'm not litigating J6 right now. Plus, it's not necessary to discuss what I responded to. None of that is "extremely solid evidence", per the reasoning I've already provided.

You're trying to place the burden of proof on me...when it rests squarely with you. Again, alternate intents are completely and totally valid.
 
and it's pretty clear that he doesn't respect the rule of law pertaining to his actions

That statement is entirely too broad. You (like will) are imparting intent when reasonable alternate intent exists. Beyond that, I'm not going to litigate 40 years of his time as a citizen. I've accepted your premise, as I have no desire to branch into that spiderweb of discussion. But, that would need to be proven, too...and it certainly doesn't prove the "extremely solid evidence" of what will implied.
 
As I said, I'm not litigating J6 right now. Plus, it's not necessary to discuss what I responded to. None of that is "extremely solid evidence", per the reasoning I've already provided.

You're trying to place the burden of proof on me...when it rests squarely with you. Again, alternate intents are completely and totally valid.
And I think I adequately supported my assertion given the absence of any other reasonable explanation.

But we aren’t lawyers and we aren’t in court. If you care to engage in this topic in the future, I’m game.

Don’t tell anyone, but I’m kind of passionate about this one.
 
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That statement is entirely too broad. You (like will) are imparting intent when reasonable alternate intent exists. Beyond that, I'm not going to litigate 40 years of his time as a citizen. I've accepted your premise, as I have no desire to branch into that spiderweb of discussion. But, that would need to be proven, too...and it certainly doesn't prove the "extremely solid evidence" of what will implied.
You keep promising a compelling argument and then ducking out. Is this the third time in this thread or the fourth?
 
You keep promising a compelling argument and then ducking out. Is this the third time in this thread or the fourth?

Well, I will eventually. Work is both busy and I can't have my phone inside the building I work at and this site is blocked there. It's not my fault you bring it up in almost every discussion. 😜
 
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And I think I adequately supported my assertion given the absence of any other reasonable explanation.

See...that's the problem here. Regardless or your or my or anybody else's feelings on the matter, there are absolutely reasonable explanations.

Top of my head (not defending any of these, fwiw. Just examples):

1. His actions might come from thinking the system’s unfair and wanting to fix it, not just to help himself.

2. His legal fights could show he’s trying to keep elections honest in his view, not ignoring the law for his own benefit.

3. He might be protecting POTUS power or doubting the system’s overstep, not just dodging the law for himself

The problem is that (and this is a MUCH longer philosophical discussion) every action humans take is at some level rooted in self-interest. Even "sacrifice" is fulfillment of personal principles, values, ethics, or morals.

...but, I am definitely not getting into that right now 😜😂


But we aren’t lawyers and we aren’t in court. If you care to engage in this topic I’m the future, I’m game.

Don’t tell anyone, but I’m kind of passionate about this one.

Really? Couldn't tell 🤣
 
Well, when has Trump accepted any judicial ruling that didn't go in his favor? When in the 40 odd years that he's been in public life has he simply accept being told no on anything?

Look, I’m not Dwight spinning beet-fueled conspiracies, but saying Trump never accepts a judicial ruling against him feels off. What does “accepting” even mean—sending the judge a fruit basket? Take Trump University: he settled and paid. No fanfare, but he paid up. The Trump Foundation: dissolved and he griped but didn’t storm any gates. He’s no saint when the gavel drops, but “never accepted a no” in 40 years? That’s a stretch even the party planning committee couldn’t dress up with streamers and a cake.
 
Look, I’m not Dwight spinning beet-fueled conspiracies, but saying Trump never accepts a judicial ruling against him feels off. What does “accepting” even mean—sending the judge a fruit basket? Take Trump University: he settled and paid. No fanfare, but he paid up. The Trump Foundation: dissolved and he griped but didn’t storm any gates. He’s no saint when the gavel drops, but “never accepted a no” in 40 years? That’s a stretch even the party planning committee couldn’t dress up with streamers and a cake.
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Look, I’m not Dwight spinning beet-fueled conspiracies, but saying Trump never accepts a judicial ruling against him feels off. What does “accepting” even mean—sending the judge a fruit basket? Take Trump University: he settled and paid. No fanfare, but he paid up. The Trump Foundation: dissolved and he griped but didn’t storm any gates. He’s no saint when the gavel drops, but “never accepted a no” in 40 years? That’s a stretch even the party planning committee couldn’t dress up with streamers and a cake.
Dude showed up every day in Lower manhattan for a month. Sitting through the most bullshit trial about nothing.
 
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Look, I’m not Dwight spinning beet-fueled conspiracies, but saying Trump never accepts a judicial ruling against him feels off. What does “accepting” even mean—sending the judge a fruit basket? Take Trump University: he settled and paid. No fanfare, but he paid up. The Trump Foundation: dissolved and he griped but didn’t storm any gates. He’s no saint when the gavel drops, but “never accepted a no” in 40 years? That’s a stretch even the party planning committee couldn’t dress up with streamers and a cake.
You can start by not calling for the impeachment of a judge who ruled against you. That alone is terrible. It sets the precedent that it's against a judges oath of office to go against the president.
 
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As I said, I'm not litigating J6 right now.
So, if you don't want to litigate J6, I at least want a yes or no response to the question: Did Joe Biden win the 2020 election without cheating? Meaning, was his victory in 2020 a legitimate victory. This is a simple yes or no response. Either he did or he didn't
 
Your point about the Governor violating the Constitution? Sure, it happens—Dwight got away with worse, like that fake fire drill. But the law doesn’t bend just because someone dodges accountability; it’s like Michael thinking his “Golden Ticket” discount would save Dunder Mifflin. Rulings matter, not just words.

Trump’s executive order on discrimination—you call it prejudice. Maybe, but it’s not rewriting laws. State and federal rules still hold; it’s more like Jim convincing Dwight to skip coffee filters—technically allowed, just sloppy. Intent’s murky, not a clear bias flag.

The transgender military issue—Bostock says sex covers transgender discrimination, true. But military readiness is the President’s call, like Michael putting me in charge of the chili cook-off cleanup. Weak justification? Sure. Unconstitutional? Grayer than you think.

Mental health struggles for transgender folks—absolutely they face mental health challenges. Those struggles could arguably impact their ability to serve—after all, the military disqualifies people for other mental health issues like severe anxiety or depression. But blaming Trump’s hatred entirely? He’s clumsy—like Dwight grilling me over the Scranton Strangler case —but that alone doesn’t confirm deliberate spite.

It’s messy, not black-and-white. Like mediating Kelly and Ryan—nobody wins, and I’m still the bad guy.
Dwight’s fire drill was classic.
 
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Which is exactly why there should be a look the other way attitude about shit like getting rid of TDA. But the fact that Trump gets credit for it creates a tractor beam opposition. Dude could publicly ostracize the kicking of chocolate lab puppies and the left would sue to allow it. Craziest shit ever.
This is not a due process issue per se, but it is relevant given it represents further deterioration of core rights.

If this story is accurate, it should be absolutely chilling to anyone who cares about our fundamental rights. The trajectory is clear.

 
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