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312 electoral votes and a 3.5 point win in the popular vote? That's a bigger margin than Obama had over Romney. By any recent standard, that's a landslide.....and it feels even moreso when every pollster "accidentally" had it wrong. Again.
The election was a landslide. Trump’s margin in Michigan alone is more than Biden ‘won’ the electoral college by in 2020. This was a complete wipeout by Trump and MAGA including flipping multiple Senate seats and maintaining the House. Trump is returning to the WH with a mandate from the American people which was only made possible by the disastrous Biden/Harris regime. So for that, I say thank you.
I’m not sure I follow your first point? His margin in Michigan is more than Biden won the electoral college? What does that mean? So Trump won Michigan by around 82k votes. Yes 82,000 is a bigger number than 306- the EVs Biden won?
Anyway, Biden wasn’t a landslide either. The last landslide would have been Obama’s election in 2008. Not even his 2012 win was a landslide. And it was by a bigger margin than this. Once all the votes are counted I don’t even think it will be more than half a percent difference in popular vote and he might not have even won the popular vote. Which of course doesn’t matter for the election, but certainly is relevant to whether the election wss a blowout. Bottom line, it came to the 8 states we thought it would and right now it looks like Trump won them on average by 1-2 pts.
He won fair and square, but to perpetuate the myth that this wasn’t close now is just too much.
Lol.. Let me break it down for you, Biden 'won' the Electoral College in 2020 by roughly 44K total votes across 3 states (AZ, GA, WI). Right now Trump's margin in Michigan is almost double that alone in just one swing state. He is beating Kamala worse than he did Hillary and certainly by more than Biden did in 2020. This is by far the largest presidential win since Obama in 2008.
Last night was a complete and total rebuke of the DNC and liberalism in general in this country. That is why the GOP is being given a trifecta including like 53-54 Senate seats and why every state in the country except for 2 voted to the right of how they did in 2020. So yes, make no mistake that last night was not particularly 'close' by modern election standards.
They still think everything was ok. Nothing is wrong. Why are people upset? It makes sense for him to say he is around nothing but democrats mostly. I kept telling folks here I see people from all walks of life each month. None of them were happy. Some may have still voted Kamala, but I am quite sure a bunch didn’t. When you have enough money, no political change affects you. Which seems to be the deal for a ton of Dems here. I think we know the working and middle class showed up with a vengeance
Easy…Dems cities Stuffed the ever loving shit out of printed Covid ballots all over the county.
No problem with you having issues with Trump. But hate will not be one of the issues.
I think this is where I still am somewhat surprised. The lefts lack of awareness as to how bad a candidate Kamala Harris really is. It is very similar to the lack of awareness as to Biden’s mental decline the last 2 years of his term. She had no real policies and she could not articulate any thoughtful response to real question. The lefts whole plan was to say she wasn’t Trump and we will protect women’s right to choose.
Given where we are with the economy, the border, and the assault on basic tenets of basic truths and common held beliefs it was a losing proposition.
The focus of the platform was to appeal to groups of voters based on factors that divide us as a nation all the while of claiming to be the party of unity and Trump is the great divider. The inability to see how their actions and pandering did not align with their message.
Trump says a lot of crap but his actions were typically more in line with the majority of the country. The left continually said what they thought people wanted to hear but more often their actions did not follow suit. After awhile the masses will no longer believe you or see right through you.
Somehow I think Joe Biden has a wry smile on his face this morning.
You could be right will. He may not have a smile on his face, but I am not sure Jill doesn’t.
Biden should have announced he wasn't running for a second term two or so years ago and the Dems could have had a proper nominating process.
But overcoming inflation (and secondarily the border but more inflation) was going to be a tough pull for any Dem. In hindsight, likely an impossible pull even against a candidate with as many issues as Trump. As several people on here kept saying, economic anxiety drove votes in far greater numbers than any misgivings about Trump and his character. My worries remain as strong as ever regarding what we are going to see from the second Trump administration, but for now we simply wait and watch.
I sincerely hope that you, @zingerdawg and @-lowcountrydawg and others will have the opportunity over the coming months and years to make light of my concerns about what we have ahead. That would be the most satisfying crow to eat that I could imagine. I suspect we will get a good indicator of how this is all going to work in the first three to six months of the administration.
I am not one to go and rub it in. I didn’t call you out. I do appreciate our back and forth even if frustrating at times. lol.
That being said, what I kept telling you I was seeing in my office was a sample size of working class America. It is what made this a landslide imo and it didn’t matter who the candidate was. However, Joe may have done better in the end than Kamala. Jmo.
Trump has a big hill to climb. No. I don’t see him monitoring pregnancy. I don’t see a national abortion ban. Which had young girls all over the country crying on tic toc. The msm should be freaking ashamed of themselves. He isn’t Hitler. And not a dictator. I do get fear from the lbgtq. He ran against the trans community and they were resoundingly smashed. Some analysts compared this to what happened to bud light. Know your audience. The Dems need to do some soul searching and come back to the middle. I kept telling you trump was more middle ground, and elitist Dems left their base behind. Which is why Trump appealed to the working and middle class voter. My only I told you so.
He is going to have to be the villain some. There are thing he will have to do to help the country imo that may be ugly. But the mandate is to put America first. We will see if he follows thru with that. Look at it this way. Now the shoe is on the other foot will. You can criticize every decision he makes. And you don’t have to defend the indefensible anymore.
I appreciate you and others on the board who are willing to discuss issues without trying to belittle someone else. I know at times I let emotion get the best of me and I am sorry for that.
I agree he should have stepped down during his term and that would have given her the ability to show what she could do. She was put in a difficult spot and I think erred in the approach they took with her campaign. It was divisive, arrogant and truly ignored the obvious issues that impacted most of the country.
I do not think that the character between Trump, Biden and Harris is truly that much different. We all are sinners and we all have good traits and actions at times. Trump is arrogant and brash and that is what sets him apart from the others. That alone is not as bad to me as trying to hide your sins and flaws. That to me is much worse because you are trying to deceive others and ultimately yourself and you cannot be trusted. Most great leaders have had major flaws and society has tended to overlook them and at sometimes help hide them. The difference today is that the MSM and the left pointed out everything they could find, embellished some and out right lied and fabricated stories and facts about Trump. That became so obvious that most people started to doubt anything the left and the MSM media were saying. This was the fatal blow. When you call your opponent Hitler and his supporters are garbage and then during your concession speech tell the country you will be okay under his leadership only magnifies the lies and deception even more. This will be difficult to overcome and I hope the country can move towards each other and focus on our strengths and the common goals we should be working towards. The nation is still great and can be even better going forward.
I hope and expect that we will see some positive changes and I think there will be some things that people will question as well. I hope he will make some difficult decisions that can will be better for our country in the long term. Cutting spending, cutting regulations, cutting some programs and raising the age to claim social security. Not everyone will like some of these decisions but he has the platform to do it with concern for reelection and it needs to be done. He will incentivize technology and growth and we need that to exert our dominance once again.
I hope we can look back and have more positive things to talk about than negative.
You asked me a number of times what I was concerned about regarding a second Trump term and I'm not sure I answered you specifically enough. It's only fair if I am going to allude to concerns that I detail what I'm worried about. No need to respond, just documenting for future reference.
In no particular order:
- The reality of mass deportations is going to be shockingly grim, expensive and inflationary.
- Tariffs are going to be inflationary and a regressive tax on lower and middle class Americans.
- Replacing civil servants with political loyalists will result in people learning that the difference between a functioning and non-functioning government is actually something that impacts them.
- LGBTQ rights are reduced in general and the SCOTUS rules that gay marriage is not a protected right.
- Putin is handed an effective win in Ukraine that Trump spins as a fair resolution and Poland and the Baltic states come under a more direct Russian threat as a result.
- Trump delivers on his promises to pardon the J6 felons, effectively rewarding past political violence and making it clear that he will take care of those who do the same for him in the future.
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Ok. We will see what happens. He said any pardons on 1-6 would be non violent ones. One clarification. He never stated he would pardon violent participants.
As far as Putin goes. Do you really believe he negotiates the end of the war with Ukraine and tells him it is ok to take Poland too? Let’s see what happens.
The good news is according to my friend in the Air Force the war with China now is way less imminent with trump in office.
Also, this was posted in another thread. If you look in the comment section, china’s president looks forward to improving relations with the USA. Not even in office yet.
Unless there is some news I can’t find, Hamas is calling for a ceasefire, which they have been asking for since Oct 8th. There is no huge new development that corresponds to the end of the war and our election.
Im sure Steve Madden will be the first of many to try and move production out of China as quickly as possible. Do you think this is more likely to raise or lower costs for US consumers?
Questionable sourcing on the Houthis ceasefire.
I’m definitely out of the business of fact checking every assertion on here, but this is a classic example of what we are going to see a lot more of moving forward.
Trump will do fine in the categories you are worried about.
I do think he will end the war in Ukraine. The left will say it was to the benefit of Putin. I personally think it will be to the benefit of all. There is no way in hell Putin messes with NATO. Because regardless of rhetoric in private Trump will make it clear that he would wipe out Putin if he did.
He will use economic leverage to get Iran to put the leash on Hamas and Hezbollah.
J6 is done. Not concerned either way what happens there.
Deportations will focus on criminals. And that is the right approach. Will have zero impact on inflation.
Tariffs in theory could cause inflation. But it is the threat of tariffs that ultimately win the day. Ultimately his admin is smart enough to balance trade war policy with inflation. And the goal is simple - benefit Americans.
Trump’s willingness to piss off foreign governments and people in general is part of what makes him an effective negotiator. Democrats want to be universally loved internationally. It makes them easy to manipulate and it doesn’t benefit Americans.
His bigger challenge is that you can’t just lower those now inflated grocery and housing prices. Rates need to come down. That will help. But we are gonna have to grow our way to make stuff affordable again. He will have a positive impact on energy prices.
Rents will go up the next couple years no matter what he does. Because the Fed unwittingly created a dearth of housing supply by making debt and equity capital very difficult to get to build Multifamily housing. And you can’t just snap your fingers and create supply. Between entitlement / permitting process and construction, we will have at least 2 years of historically low supply of new apartment deliveries.
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You must have children with lunatics wanting to tell them they can change their gender.
Real quote: “Voters are too stupid to even, like, exist in the world. Because they’re just morons who can’t understand anything.”
After over a day after Trump won the Presidency, this seems like as good a time to post. Obviously, I didn't want Trump to win, but it's time to move on. I can accept the results although I'm amused that some who backed Trump still don't want to accept the results from 2020. No leaving the country, no tears and no blaming. Not the first time I wish the results were different, not unlike some football games. There have been other transfers of power when there have been failures of some sort. I have always hoped there would be change where needed. But this time I am not optimistic about Trump's Presidency for basically the same reason I thought he shouldn't be elected. Your list is representative of some of the issues. Some of these are things Trump stated he would do, but it's not clear at all how they are going to be accomplished. I would love for him to solve the immigration problem and get back to where we were but that didn't really happen his last term. Tariffs sound good and can be, but not just across the board. I am concerned for those people whose rights Trump hasn't really cared for and what happens to them. Some negative stories already being reported. I don't know what is going to happen with foreign affairs and there are certainly issues. I'm concerned about his disregard for laws and the Constitution. After all, he is currently a convicted felon and is not going to be willing to go to court to face his other charges.
I think everyone agrees that we need reform in Washington. There are a number of elements to this. I would love to "start over", but it's not realistic. In addition to your point about replacing civil servants with political loyalists, the government will not be able to function efficiently. I hope we don't see wholesale changes. I want to add another point. We're hearing some early discussion of possible cabinet members and other high level positions. I'm concerned about some and can see another round of incompetent people in those positions. And like last time, will competent people be able to stomach working with Trump - I'm real serious about this being a possible problem.
I would love for these concerns to be unfounded and we'll wait and see what happens.
There have been comments here on the Chat about those who didn't back Trump coming together for the sake of the country. I'm all for our country and have been, but Trump shows no signs of not continuing to be the divider. He's not going to change. And just look at some of his backers on here. Some posters have made reasonable posts and hopes for the future. But I look at so many posters who just want to berate those who were against Trump - that's a good way to get people on your side and you are acting just like Trump. I'm not talking about disagreement, but some really disgusting comments. The battle is over, but some of you will never change. Just the same accusations like we can't accept facts, when that is exactly what you continue to do.
I'm sure I'll get attacked as usual and there will be the usual "ha-has", so have at it.
Maybe. You mean like the 12000 actual jobs created. That would have been announced after the election if not for a leak. Again, I called bs on this admin and it turned out to be over your head deep.
I get it. Trump hating and anything associated with him is your thing. There is a ton of conflicting info on tariffs. Certainly Biden thought so. He kept some and added to them.
Let’s see if he can deliver on lowering energy prices first. That will be the first big step. Then get the housing market under control again.
I didn’t vet what was posted. But even the other items are also a very good thing as well.
If things get worse, i promise you right here i will eat crow.
He said some of the j6 rioters would not be pardoned due to to much destruction. He said they went overboard.
I disagree with some of what you said but I agree with some of what you said. I do believe that there will be a lot of federal employees looking for jobs in the future.
Oh, that's right, we believe anything and everything that Trump says.
And I'm sure a lot of them should be in other jobs.
Sadly 2020 will forever be a stain on the United States electoral process. I guess we just suck it up and say Joe Biden was 15 million more votes popular than Obama, Clinton, or Harris.
He sure seemed strangely happy today. It’s possible he was putting on a brave face as well though.
I think it will be less than 10 million more than 2024 when they finish counting. They are just over halfway done in California, and other states like Utah and Arizona have a lot more counting left. So yeah this was a lower turnout election in states where it didn’t matter.
Maybe so , but even 10 million votes is a considerable anomaly when compared to 2004, 2008, 2012, 2016, and 2024
I always wonder why the Left thinks they are so much more intelligent than everyone.
That statement by that dumass perfectly captures how really stupid some of those people are.
First, why dont we wait till they’re done counting votes before comparing totals. Second, if votes went up in all the swing states, what fraud are you even talking about? Your theory is that they added millions of fake votes in states where it didn’t change the outcome?
You forgot “Joy”. That was a big selling point.
