Election Denier
(These are the rules. Your "people" made that very clear, for years. Deal with it)
Chat libs...jump on in here and show us your tears!..
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Election Denier
(These are the rules. Your "people" made that very clear, for years. Deal with it)
As far as I can tell, no one can say where they came from or where they went
Beating a dead horse. Why can Florida count votes in 2 hours. But these states are still counting 3 days later. Just imagine if the outcome was hinging on these states. Please fix this for the good of Country….. Nevada called for Trump as I type.
I agree. This is a very good assessment and I think we will see a lot of this transpire.
The tariffs will raise prices in the short term. The long term affect will allow US companies to regain market share through growth opportunities which will help prices in the long term. We need the economy to grow and we need to spur innovation to crawl out of the malaise we currently reside in.
Define “short term”? Most companies don’t transform their manufacturing and supply chains in a matter of months.
I work in consulting, primarily focused on manufacturing and auto. We are assisting with the creation of a new commercial vehicle battery production plant that’s going to go from breaking ground to operational in approximately eighteen months. That is phenomenally fast and the only reason they can move so quickly is that it’s a new company with no legacy systems we have to worry about integrating.
The shift you are talking about will be measured in years, not months. So in the mean time, the crushing inflation that won Trump the presidency is going to get worse? I wonder how that will sit with an electorate that thinks in increments of days, not months or years.
I agree with some of your comments. I am confident the immigration will be handled much better than Biden’s term and even better than Trump’s first term. The focus will be on those who are a threat to our communities and it will only be mass deportations of criminals and those who do not want to reside here as vetted and processed immigrants.
The left has been just as if not more divisive and I have rarely if ever have I seen anyone backing Biden and Kamala call it out. That is a good starting point to move together. Both sides pointing out what needs to change starting with their own parties/candidates.
There are so many lies and spinning of half truths etc that no one wants to believe much of anything. But there is a lot of truth and good ideas we can all get behind and work towards and that should be the focus.
In tribute to Peter, Paul and Mary... " Where have all the Chat Libs Gone...Long time Passing....Where have all the Chat Libs gone " ...."Oh when will they ever learn.....When will they ever learn...."
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We need some of you to check out because you are not trying to bring the country together.
I truly think a good portion of the tariff price increases will be offset by the reduction in gas, oil and natural gas prices.
You have been a reasonable poster and we need more like you. Immigration could not be handled any worse and I am all for removing the criminals, but will wait to see the results.
Yes, there are too many lies from both sides, but progress will have to be proved. I would love for things to change for the better, but don't have confidence that Trump is the person to do it - hope I am wrong.
I understand your concerns. I feel like the majority of the issues that reasonable posters have is the preoccupation with what they perceive as the negative/bad. When you focus on those things you only see those things and you shape things to fit that narrative. The have been just as many lies on the left and some of the much more egregious. That makes it difficult for some to those on the other side to see your point. This does and has worked both ways to break down true and honest discourse.
As I said in the post you responded to, there are too many lies from both sides. I'm more interested in what happens in the future. Yes, I'm preoccupied, if you want to use that term, with what Trump might do. I think he is unfit to be President and is not the same person he was four years ago (mentally I think he has gone downhill). His first three years went fine and if nothing had changed, he would have been reelected. He had his first crisis to handle and I don't think he did a good job (I'm not going to rehash this one more time). Now, we'll have to see. Immigration is the issue that he can probably influence the most. The economy might be more important, but any President is limited in what can be done. The economy has been worst in the past and I see no reason it can't recover. I want to see what he can do to improve the way the government is run. He didn't make any significant changes before and I think he made some poor hires. Someone else posted how Trump is going to bring peace. We'll see what happens with Russia, but peace never lasts long in the Middle East (those conflicts are a lot worst than the two parties in this country)
I have always tried to be tolerant of other's opinions. Most of my posts for the last five years have been to challenge incorrect information and I stand by that. Other people certainly don't have to agree with my point, but they don't respect anyone who disagrees with them. I've tried to have honest discourse as you mentioned, but it's impossible with some on here. They tend to change the subject and then start with the insults. This is not true of everyone who supported Trump, but there are too many of them and this appears to be continuing. The election is over and some want to continue to belittle anyone who disagrees with them - just read the board. I don't think I have to mention any names because you can see for yourself. Yes, I made the other comment which you responded to because it's more of the same. I'm trying to look at a clean slate and we'll see what happens, but I am not going to believe anything Trump said in the past whether it's about January 6th or something else.
Look, I don't want to discuss the negative anymore than you do, but wanted to respond.
I understand your frustration. I am not a huge fan of Trump. I do think he can do a pretty good job in certain areas. I was more outraged by the lefts stance to say men can be birthing persons, the stance that a woman can not be defined, and that feelings, emotions and desires can override science and thus ignore the facts and agree or you will be cancelled. I do not think that most on the board agree with these stances but the majority of the left did not stand up for truth. How in the world can you say you want to defend a woman’s right to choose and sure as hell cannot define what a woman is. That is where the election was won and that alone made enough people vote for Trump and all of his flaws. There were other areas as well that caused many to side with him. Speaking out of both sides of your mouth in areas that are so obviously at odds with each other tends to discount any other message you bring to the table.
I appreciate all points of view and I am willing to defend my points of view and as I have learned through the years I have been wrong and I will be again. But there are certain things that are undeniable.
That’s rich, coming from the same people who have spend the past 9+ years calling Trump a fascist and Orange Hitler.
I understand your outrage regarding the things you mentioned. There are extremes on the left who may say that, but I don't agree and haven't put those items forward. I don't think those on here who opposed Trump stated those things either. But I'll tell you what I detest and it's those Trump supporters who claim all of us believe that. There's no discussion possible and those posts go in the dead letter file.
I'm sure that might have given Trump votes, but there is no simple answer. Trump lost votes for various reasons and I think another candidate could have won by a lot more. I have no interest in Monday morning analysis. The next election will be different people and who knows what will transpire.
Yes, some things are undeniable, but we probably have some different things on our list and that's just okay.
Well that wasn't me, but I called him other things. And he certainly has been a liar.
But I don't think your statement helps either.
I was having a reasonable conversation with Todd which you are never capable off and all you can add is NOTHING.
Well you have called DeSantis a fascist (among other things) on many occasions. So you feel that he’s a fascist, but Trump isn’t?
You would be the very first person I’ve seen ever use that level of nuance between the two.
Sorry for the late response. Normally it is a short term affect(1 to 2 years). What typically happens is this will start the negotiation process and that is where some progress can be made. Yes it takes time to change manufacturing processes and building new facilities or finding new partners to deliver the same products at a good price.
Yes, some things are undeniable, but we probably have some different things on our list and that's just okay.
Where do you think our lists would differ? When I mention undeniable I thought we would be in agreement.
Also when you say you do not agree with some of the stances, I believe once you or I cast our votes we somewhat align with those stances regardless. I know it is not so palatable but it is so. That is why I think the left has gone to far. When you embrace irrefutable facts and twist logic to spreads the point of view I feel you can no longer be trusted. You have crossed the line.
When I said you have crossed the line. I was not speaking of any specific person. Sorry that was not pointed at you.
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Trump cant do it because too many liberals have TDS, but its not really their fault.
Seriously man, the Dems and press were talking about impeaching him before he ever took office. The FBI, CIA and DOJ were literally f ing spying on him and his campaign staff and the FBI director bragged about setting up Mike Flynn and that he would have NEVER done that to an Obama staffer.
Meanwhile, Trump was meeting with AA leaders and celebs in Trump Tower in an effort to unite the country. He met with Kim Kardashian regarding mandatory sentencing reform and pardoned AAs he thought had been unfairly over-sentenced but yeah, he became a racist when he criticized athletes for kneeling. (He was criticizing conduct not the grievance or the race of the kneelers) And the press and Dems went nuts and tried to beat that wedge with a sledge hammer.
Trump does a lot of things that drive me crazy. I think he's simply incapable of staying above the fray and allowing surrogates to do the dirty work. His Trump watches and sneaker commercials make me think we elected freaking Ron Popeil. He's bombastic and loves showing he's the man in charge but he's the only pol since Reagan that actually tried to govern the way he campaigned. Hell, before Trump, addressing illegal immigration was like touching the 3rd rail for many Pubs. Our Fed gov is a corrupt, incestuous mess and the Clinton's, Obama's, Bush family and McCain and Romney types had zero interest in taking out the garbage. At this point the job of POTUS needs to be filled with an azzhole that is more interested in how the pipe fitter in Milwaukee is doing more than the international investment brokers around the world.
Lol....go back and do the Obama years and the 2016 election vs Hitlerys goons
..and his entire 4 yrs in office...
FEMA just got busted for ignoring Trump voters during the hurricane crisis. Is that uniting? They were just mirroring the leadership in the democrat party.
It appears to be one rogue employee who got fired. There are crazies on both sides. Take your blinders off.
The FEMA employee who was fired said that she was following FEMA protocol. She said that it happened in Florida and North Carolina. Take your blinders off.
The FEMA boss who was fired after ordering volunteers not to approach homes displaying Trump signs in Florida after Hurricane Milton has insisted her edict 'was not isolated' and also happened in North Carolina.
Speaking out for the first time since she was fired, Marn'i Washington accused the Federal Emergency Management Agency of 'lying' about the scandal, and making her the scapegoat of a wider practice.
Washington was blasted publicly and lost her job after a text chain was leaked that showed her instructing colleagues to 'avoid' houses that had Trump signs in their yards.
Washington told DailyMail.com she is seeking an attorney and is 'at risk' as a result of the backlash she's received. 'I have information that proves FEMA is lying,' she said.
In a podcast appearance last night, she went further - claiming more FEMA employees are guilty of the same bias, but that she is the only one being hung out to dry.
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Symptomatic of a culture where federal administrative agencies have become loyal followers / contributors to the left. The fact that folks actually followed this directive is disturbing, and it supports the notion that this was likely not an isolated incident. Hey - when you’ve been taught that Trump is Hitler you are doing God’s work, no?
You literally had the Democratic candidate call Trump supporters "deplorables" and the current President call Trump supporters "garbage". You had the media in Trump's first term try and frame a high school CHILD as a racist Trump supporter cause he was wearing a MAGA hat and they intentionally cut down a video to make him look that way... You had the kid from the Mighty Ducks stage a hate crime to portray MAGA as a hardcore racist and homophobic movement, again which the media ran with and chose to ignore facts
I am not arguing that Trump has some great interest in uniting the country... But to put the onus on him and not look at the other side...
Obviously, this needs to be investigated before we jump to conclusions but it's just a stone cold fact that Dems were floating the idea of refusing medical treatment to those that refused the covid vaccine.
