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Drafts received by AZ Central suggest 1.How do you think it's going down? I'm taking the 3rd option.
If true, how is that possible? Folks here said Cyber Ninjas was going to lie and claim Trump won.Drafts received by AZ Central suggest 1.
Nb: "Tom Liddy, a deputy Maricopa County attorney, on Thursday, provided The Republic with a copy of a document the county received.
"Liddy said he could not verify that the document he had was an official Cyber Ninjas document because the county did not get it from the Senate.
"He declined to say who provided it to the county but said that someone dropped it off Wednesday at the Maricopa County Attorney’s Office."
from the article it seems like they buried the data in a lot of election insecurity porn. but let's see what they drop tomorrow. I don't know how reliable AZ Central or their document source is. maybe the Arizonans doIf true, how is that possible? Folks here said Cyber Ninjas was going to lie and claim Trump won.
I think Katie Hobbs is trying to set the narrative which means she's being dishonest.from the article it seems like they buried the data in a lot of election insecurity porn. but let's see what they drop tomorrow. I don't know how reliable AZ Central or their document source is. maybe the Arizonans do
This is going to be a tough day for a lot of people.I think Katie Hobbs is trying to set the narrative which means she's being dishonest.
She said the draft copy contained a bunch of errors and false conclusions yet also said it shows that Biden was the clear winner. If the report truly shows that Biden won clean, why continue to trash the audit?
It's the same question from the beginning. If you don't have anything to hide, why would you fear an audit that should validate you and make the other side look bad? It's like she's stuck in trash the audit mode even if the report validates the election.
Yeah, let's see what is presented officially. Wouldn't surprise me if the draft was leaked on purpose to get this very reaction from the detractors and a more substantial report is given to the public.
Hopefully we don't have an Internet outage today. The hype is the new "Who shot JR?"This is going to be a tough day for a lot of people.
As to your last paragraph, I agree there was an intentional psy-ops effort, but my view is that describes the entire audit, not anything that happened in the last twenty four hours.
As predicted, lot's of noise about potential issues and possible security holes, but no actual fraud. In fact, it seems that Biden picked up a few hundred votes.How do you think it's going down? I'm taking the 3rd option.
As predicted, lot's of noise about potential issues and possible security holes, but no actual fraud. In fact, it seems that Biden picked up a few hundred votes.
I would naively hope this puts the issue to bed, but we all know it won't. Combating non-existent election fraud is now a core plank of the republican party platform.
Hand count in audit affirms Biden beat Trump, as Maricopa County said in November
The three-volume report by the Cyber Ninjas includes results that show Trump lost by a wider margin than the county’s official election results.www.azcentral.com
If the point of the audit was to verify or authenticate actual ballots on hand, then most would assume their would be little or no deviation. (Other than some crazy conspiracists). I don’t think they did any signature matching which if any fraud occurred there (or Fulton or Detroit) is most likely where it occurred. IT review, over my head, so whatever the results are there I wouldn’t understand. We’ll know if there were irregularities in Fulton county in 2 years, next election cycle with new ID requirements can be compared to 2020.As predicted, lot's of noise about potential issues and possible security holes, but no actual fraud. In fact, it seems that Biden picked up a few hundred votes.
I would naively hope this puts the issue to bed, but we all know it won't. Combating non-existent election fraud is now a core plank of the republican party platform.
Hand count in audit affirms Biden beat Trump, as Maricopa County said in November
The three-volume report by the Cyber Ninjas includes results that show Trump lost by a wider margin than the county’s official election results.www.azcentral.com
That looks like the same article you posted last night with updates. A few points if the article is accurate...As predicted, lot's of noise about potential issues and possible security holes, but no actual fraud. In fact, it seems that Biden picked up a few hundred votes.
I would naively hope this puts the issue to bed, but we all know it won't. Combating non-existent election fraud is now a core plank of the republican party platform.
Hand count in audit affirms Biden beat Trump, as Maricopa County said in November
The three-volume report by the Cyber Ninjas includes results that show Trump lost by a wider margin than the county’s official election results.www.azcentral.com
It's pretty obvious what they are doing but the usual suspects are already calling it fact even though it's not from the official report.You know the results are bad for the Dems when they are coordinating with the media to release certain parts of the report a night before everything is released... Almost like they are trying to set the narrative to get ahead of what is coming. They can then have their 'fact checkers' all over social media claiming 'Biden legitimately won'. I give them credit it is a great game they play.
Bingo... These are the same people who will tell you that there have already been 'audits' in Georgia and Wisconsin when in fact all they did was simply recount the same fraudulent ballots and match the results. As you said, recounting bad data yields the same bad results. This is why the DOJ desperately stepped in to stop the canvassing portion and why no signature matching has been completed across any swing state because that is what they are terrified of. It is why they don't want anyone to see the mail-in 'ballots' in Fulton County either.It's pretty obvious what they are doing but the usual suspects are already calling it fact even though it's not from the official report.
The totals appear to be from the hand recount portion of the audit so it would make sense that the deltas are small. Recounting bad data yields bad results.
It's the other pieces and the entire picture we need to understand.
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Fraudulent ballots in GA? That's as baseless and unproven a claim as all the other Big Lie claims.Bingo... These are the same people who will tell you that there have already been 'audits' in Georgia and Wisconsin when in fact all they did was simply recount the same fraudulent ballots and match the results. As you said, recounting bad data yields the same bad results. This is why the DOJ desperately stepped in to stop the canvassing portion and why no signature matching has been completed across any swing state because that is what they are terrified of. It is why they don't want anyone to see the mail-in 'ballots' in Fulton County either.
That’s rich coming from someone who believed the RussiaGate lies. One of the biggest propaganda efforts ever in U.S. politics carried out by Democrats and the media and you repeated their bullshit lies many times.Fraudulent ballots in GA? That's as baseless and unproven a claim as all the other Big Lie claims.
We look forward to reading all of the spin about how the Maricopa audit was actually a tremendous win for Trump and the Big Lie caucus, just ignore the total absence of, you know, actual fraud.
🤣🤣🤣 The ‘Big Lie’ is that Joe Biden got 81M votes and won the election fair and square... Even Independents and Democrats don’t believe it.Fraudulent ballots in GA? That's as baseless and unproven a claim as all the other Big Lie claims.
We look forward to reading all of the spin about how the Maricopa audit was actually a tremendous win for Trump and the Big Lie caucus, just ignore the total absence of, you know, actual fraud.
Volume five is particularly informative.That’s rich coming from someone who believed the RussiaGate lies. One of the biggest propaganda efforts ever in U.S. politics carried out by Democrats and the media and you repeated their bullshit lies many times.
So the Russians are guilty of releasing facts about Hillary that helped cost her the election? Were there any lies sprinkled in with the facts?Volume five is particularly informative.
"The fifth volume focuses on the counterintelligence threat posed by the Russian influence operation, including Paul Manafort’s connections to Russia and Ukraine. The committee concluded that “Manafort’s high level access and willingness to share information with individuals closely affiliated with the Russian intelligence services… represented a grave counterintelligence threat.”
The committee also “found that Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered the Russian effort to hack computer networks and accounts affiliated with the Democratic Party and leak information damaging to Hillary Clinton and her campaign for president.”
- Report of the Select Committee on Intelligence, United States Senate on Russian Active Measures Campaigns and Interference in the 2016 U.S. Election Volume 1: Russian Efforts Against Election Infrastructure with Additional Views (Redacted)
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From the Introduction: "From 2017 to 2019, the Committee held hearings, conducted interviews, and reviewed intelligence related to Russian attempts in 2016 to access election infrastructure. The Committee sought to determine the extent of Russian activities, identify the response of the U.S. Government at the state, local, and federal level to the threat, and make recommendations on how to better prepare for such threats in the future. The Committee received testimony from state election officials, Obama administration officials, and those in the Intelligence Community and elsewhere in the U.S. Government responsible for evaluating threats to elections."
United States. Congress. Senate. Select Committee on Intelligence
2019-07-25?- Report of the Select Committee on Intelligence, United States Senate on Russian Active Measures Campaigns and Interference in the 2016 U.S. Election; Volume 2: Russia's Use of Social Media with Additional Views (Redacted)
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From the Introduction: "In 2016, Russian operatives associated with the St. Petersburg-based Internet Research Agency (IRA) used social media to conduct an information warfare campaign designed to spread disinformation and societal division in the United States. [...] Masquerading as Americans, these operatives used targeted advertisements, intentionally falsified news articles, self-generated content, and social media platform tools to interact with and attempt to deceive tens of millions of social media users in the United States. This campaign sought to polarize Americans on the basis of societal, ideological, and racial differences, provoked real world events, and was part of a foreign government's covert support of Russia's favored candidate in the U.S. presidential election."
United States. Congress. Senate. Select Committee on Intelligence- Report of the Select Committee on Intelligence, United States Senate on Russian Active Measures Campaigns and Interference in the 2016 U.S. Election; Volume 3: U.S. Government Response to Russian Activities (Redacted)
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From the Introduction: "Senior U.S. Government officials in both the Executive and Legislative Branches believed they were in uncharted territory in the second half of 2016. They became aware of aspects of Russian interference in U.S. elections over the summer and fall, but these officials had incomplete information on the scope of the threat. In the fall, the Obama administration responded with several warnings to Moscow, but tempered its response over concerns about appearing to act politically on behalf of one candidate, undermining public confidence in the election, and provoking additional Russian actions. Further, administration officials' options were limited by incomplete information about the threat and having a narrow slate of response options from which to draw. After the election, President Obama took action to punish Moscow for its interference, including instituting sanctions, expelling Russian government personnel, and shuttering Russian diplomatic facilities inside the United States."
United States. Congress. Senate. Select Committee on Intelligence- Report of the Select Committee on Intelligence, United States Senate on Russian Active Measures Campaigns and Interference in the 2016 U.S. Election; Volume 4: Review of the Intelligence Community Assessment with Additional Views (Redacted)
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From the Findings: " The Committee found the ICA [Intelligence Community Assessment] presents a coherent and well-constructed intelligence basis for the case of unprecedented Russian interference in the 2016 U.S. presidential election. On the analytic lines of the ICA, the Committee concludes that all [...] analytic lines are supported with all-source intelligence, although with varying substantiation. The Committee did not discover any significant analytic tradecraft issues in the preparation or final presentation of the ICA."
United States. Congress. Senate. Select Committee on Intelligence
[*]Report of the Select Committee on Intelligence, United States Senate on Russian Active Measures Campaigns and Interference in the 2016 U.S. Election; Volume 5: Counterintelligence Threats and Vulnerabilities (Redacted)
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From the Findings: "The Committee found that the Russian government engaged in an aggressive, multifaceted effort to influence, or attempt to influence, the outcome of the 2016 presidential election. Parts of this effort are outlined in the Committee's earlier volumes on election security, social media, the Obama Administration's response to the threat, and the January 2017 Intelligence Community Assessment (ICA)."
United States. Congress. Senate. Select Committee on Intelligence
Recounting the same ballots is not an audit. Whether by design or incompetence, the Dems and MSM are using the wrong descriptive word. Nonetheless, trash in, trash out.Bingo... These are the same people who will tell you that there have already been 'audits' in Georgia and Wisconsin when in fact all they did was simply recount the same fraudulent ballots and match the results. As you said, recounting bad data yields the same bad results. This is why the DOJ desperately stepped in to stop the canvassing portion and why no signature matching has been completed across any swing state because that is what they are terrified of. It is why they don't want anyone to see the mail-in 'ballots' in Fulton County either.
That’s rich coming from someone who believed the RussiaGate lies. One of the biggest propaganda efforts ever in U.S. politics carried out by Democrats and the media and you repeated their bullshit lies many times.
Funny, most of you Trumpers don't want to talk about Maricopa today. Weird!🤣🤣🤣 The ‘Big Lie’ is that Joe Biden got 81M votes and won the election fair and square... Even Independents and Democrats don’t believe it.
But you are right, other than the video from State Farm Arena of people scanning the same ballots over and over again in the wee hours of the night after all poll watchers had been sent home or 42K ‘mail-in ballots’ not having any chain of custody in Cobb County then sure there isn’t any proof 🥴
Haha. So a political Senate report that you claim is bipartisan is your support that RussiaGate wasn’t one big bullshit lie? You do know many Republicans who are part of the establishment wanted no part of Trump being in office either. That’s their playground and no outsiders are allowed.Volume five is particularly informative.
"The fifth volume focuses on the counterintelligence threat posed by the Russian influence operation, including Paul Manafort’s connections to Russia and Ukraine. The committee concluded that “Manafort’s high level access and willingness to share information with individuals closely affiliated with the Russian intelligence services… represented a grave counterintelligence threat.”
The committee also “found that Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered the Russian effort to hack computer networks and accounts affiliated with the Democratic Party and leak information damaging to Hillary Clinton and her campaign for president.”
- Report of the Select Committee on Intelligence, United States Senate on Russian Active Measures Campaigns and Interference in the 2016 U.S. Election Volume 1: Russian Efforts Against Election Infrastructure with Additional Views (Redacted)
Hide summary Open resource [pdf] (open full abstract)
From the Introduction: "From 2017 to 2019, the Committee held hearings, conducted interviews, and reviewed intelligence related to Russian attempts in 2016 to access election infrastructure. The Committee sought to determine the extent of Russian activities, identify the response of the U.S. Government at the state, local, and federal level to the threat, and make recommendations on how to better prepare for such threats in the future. The Committee received testimony from state election officials, Obama administration officials, and those in the Intelligence Community and elsewhere in the U.S. Government responsible for evaluating threats to elections."
United States. Congress. Senate. Select Committee on Intelligence
2019-07-25?- Report of the Select Committee on Intelligence, United States Senate on Russian Active Measures Campaigns and Interference in the 2016 U.S. Election; Volume 2: Russia's Use of Social Media with Additional Views (Redacted)
Hide summary Open resource [pdf] (open full abstract)
From the Introduction: "In 2016, Russian operatives associated with the St. Petersburg-based Internet Research Agency (IRA) used social media to conduct an information warfare campaign designed to spread disinformation and societal division in the United States. [...] Masquerading as Americans, these operatives used targeted advertisements, intentionally falsified news articles, self-generated content, and social media platform tools to interact with and attempt to deceive tens of millions of social media users in the United States. This campaign sought to polarize Americans on the basis of societal, ideological, and racial differences, provoked real world events, and was part of a foreign government's covert support of Russia's favored candidate in the U.S. presidential election."
United States. Congress. Senate. Select Committee on Intelligence- Report of the Select Committee on Intelligence, United States Senate on Russian Active Measures Campaigns and Interference in the 2016 U.S. Election; Volume 3: U.S. Government Response to Russian Activities (Redacted)
Hide summary Open resource [pdf] (open full abstract)
From the Introduction: "Senior U.S. Government officials in both the Executive and Legislative Branches believed they were in uncharted territory in the second half of 2016. They became aware of aspects of Russian interference in U.S. elections over the summer and fall, but these officials had incomplete information on the scope of the threat. In the fall, the Obama administration responded with several warnings to Moscow, but tempered its response over concerns about appearing to act politically on behalf of one candidate, undermining public confidence in the election, and provoking additional Russian actions. Further, administration officials' options were limited by incomplete information about the threat and having a narrow slate of response options from which to draw. After the election, President Obama took action to punish Moscow for its interference, including instituting sanctions, expelling Russian government personnel, and shuttering Russian diplomatic facilities inside the United States."
United States. Congress. Senate. Select Committee on Intelligence- Report of the Select Committee on Intelligence, United States Senate on Russian Active Measures Campaigns and Interference in the 2016 U.S. Election; Volume 4: Review of the Intelligence Community Assessment with Additional Views (Redacted)
Hide summary Open resource [pdf] (open full abstract)
From the Findings: " The Committee found the ICA [Intelligence Community Assessment] presents a coherent and well-constructed intelligence basis for the case of unprecedented Russian interference in the 2016 U.S. presidential election. On the analytic lines of the ICA, the Committee concludes that all [...] analytic lines are supported with all-source intelligence, although with varying substantiation. The Committee did not discover any significant analytic tradecraft issues in the preparation or final presentation of the ICA."
United States. Congress. Senate. Select Committee on Intelligence
[*]Report of the Select Committee on Intelligence, United States Senate on Russian Active Measures Campaigns and Interference in the 2016 U.S. Election; Volume 5: Counterintelligence Threats and Vulnerabilities (Redacted)
Hide summary Open resource [pdf] (open full abstract)
From the Findings: "The Committee found that the Russian government engaged in an aggressive, multifaceted effort to influence, or attempt to influence, the outcome of the 2016 presidential election. Parts of this effort are outlined in the Committee's earlier volumes on election security, social media, the Obama Administration's response to the threat, and the January 2017 Intelligence Community Assessment (ICA)."
United States. Congress. Senate. Select Committee on Intelligence
LOL... What?? This whole thread is about Maricopa. You are the one who said there was no fraud in Georgia. I personally can’t wait for the audit results this afternoon and the firestorm it will cause. It’s Dems and the media who already leaked an edited version of part of the report last night and want to claim Biden won. They are the ones who don’t actually want to talk about the facts.Funny, most of you Trumpers don't want to talk about Maricopa today. Weird!
You have claimed to have no partisan affiliation, but now you are exposing yourself.So the Russians are guilty of releasing facts about Hillary that helped cost her the election? Were there any lies sprinkled in with the facts?
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/20...e-will-referred-attorney-general-live-stream/LOL... What?? This whole thread is about Maricopa. You are the one who said there was no fraud in Georgia. I personally can’t wait for the audit results this afternoon and the firestorm it will cause. It’s Dems and the media who already leaked an edited version of part of the report last night and want to claim Biden won. They are the ones who don’t actually want to talk about the facts.
The old Everybody is Corrupt Except Donald Trump defense. Given his many years of honorable behaviour in his personal and professional life and virtuous service to the community, this makes total sense.Haha. So a political Senate report that you claim is bipartisan is your support that RussiaGate wasn’t one big bullshit lie? You do know many Republicans who are part of the establishment wanted no part of Trump being in office either. That’s their playground and no outsiders are allowed.
You know it’s bad when even leftists like Russell Brand thinks your narrative is complete bullshit. Props for you for going down with the ship. Your loyalty to the establishment is noted.
Never said he was a Saint. I’m sure anyone who had a company developing property in NYC has some skeletons in their closet. That said, I evaluate him based on his time in office and on the policies he implemented. By and large I believe those policies were good for our country unlike the policies of Obama and now Biden. The D.C. establishment could not control Trump and they were hell bent on getting rid of him.The old Everybody is Corrupt Except Donald Trump defense. Given his many years of honorable behaviour in his personal and professional life and virtuous service to the community, this makes total sense.
So hacking occurs daily. What have Dubya, Obama, Trump, or Biden done about Russian hacking specifically? As far as I can tell, there's been no verified proof that anyone has successfully altered a single vote in any election including 2016 and 2020. The Democrats didn't even bother to investigate (or didn't want to release results showing no foreign influence of actual ballots) after claiming Russians altered the election which made the shift to Russians influenced the election by presenting facts about a candidate.You have claimed to have no partisan affiliation, but now you are exposing yourself.
The Russians illegally hacked a number of Dem emails. Do you remember when they were first released, because I do. They were conveniently released just a few short hours after the Trump P**sy Grab tape went public. Why the fortuitous timing? Because Roger Stone made a call and had them released (all documented in the Senate Intelligence report).
What would you call what happened?
We both know that other confidential emails from either party would be at least an embarrassing as what we saw from the Podesta emails, right? You are an IT guy and know better than most how easy it is for an elite and well funded team of russians to get in to almost anywhere. Do you think it more likely they couldn't access republican emails or that perhaps they did get a trove of emails and decided they would use them for a different purpose?
I don’t think the 2020 accusers are going to produce anything at this point. We were told a signature audit was going to occur in Fulton County but it did not. One was done in Cobb which had electronic signature verification so that was fairly useless. I was hoping the review referenced above would at least reference what level of signature verification was performed but have not seen any…So hacking occurs daily. What have Dubya, Obama, Trump, or Biden done about Russian hacking specifically? As far as I can tell, there's been no verified proof that anyone has successfully altered a single vote in any election including 2016 and 2020. The Democrats didn't even bother to investigate (or didn't want to release results showing no foreign influence of actual ballots) after claiming Russians altered the election which made the shift to Russians influenced the election by presenting facts about a candidate.
What's the penalty and why didn't Obama do anything about it on his way out or Biden even though recent hacking has been blamed on Russia?
Are you going to show us how Russians altered American votes or not?
Also, if influence is so important to you, what is your opinion of the MSM and Democrats lying about Hunter Biden's laptop ahead of the election? Since Russians telling the truth bothered you, surely Americans lying is worse.
Either way, hacking is irrelevant to the elections until someone produces evidence that votes were altered. The 2020 accusers are on the clock and do need to produce some evidence or they're no better than the 2016 accusers.
How's that for non-partisan?
GA is the best example of how this isn't a Democrat vs Republican issue. Kemp was central to Dominion's use in GA and ol' Brad keeps talking about how bad Fulton is yet hasn't lifted a finger to audit their 2020 results. They want to fire people and hope the public just moves on without actually addressing anything significant.I don’t think the 2020 accusers are going to produce anything at this point. We were told a signature audit was going to occur in Fulton County but it did not. One was done in Cobb which had electronic signature verification so that was fairly useless. I was hoping the review referenced above would at least reference what level of signature verification was performed but have not seen any…
That everyone knows it was a fair election.A full audit of all states takes any agenda off the table, yet neither party wants that so what does that tell you?
Yeah, the part when Cyber Ninjas claimed Trump won was totally called by many here. They should be proud they weren't deceived.the Arizona snipe hunt has concluded … another nothing burger for people who prefer ignorant election fraud conspiracy theories.
I couldn’t read what it said about signature matching on mail in ballots but assume it is in auditable?AUDIT | azsenategopcaucus
www.azsenaterepublicans.com
Does not matter to some on here.the Arizona snipe hunt has concluded … another nothing burger for people who prefer ignorant election fraud conspiracy theories.
Hannity just led with Afghanistan and moved to the border (no AZ audit) and the WSJ states the audit supported Biden’s win. You are either being intentionally ignorant or just plain disingenuous. Admit the audit was a disappointment for the big lie caucus and proved zero fraud. It might actually feel good.Yeah, the part when Cyber Ninjas claimed Trump won was totally called by many here. They should be proud they weren't deceived.
It's a confusing post, but Dawg 'n IT seems like a pretty reasonable person. I think he's being sarcastic, but I can't tell to what end.Hannity just led with Afghanistan and moved to the border (no AZ audit) and the WSJ states the audit supported Biden’s win. You are either being intentionally ignorant or just plain disingenuous. Admit the audit was a disappointment for the big lie caucus and proved zero fraud. It might actually feel good.
EDIT: you know it’s bad when even DJT himself is not trying to spin the results.
Does Hannity post here? I don't watch him on a regular basis so I don't really care what he covered.Hannity just led with Afghanistan and moved to the border (no AZ audit) and the WSJ states the audit supported Biden’s win. You are either being intentionally ignorant or just plain disingenuous. Admit the audit was a disappointment for the big lie caucus and proved zero fraud. It might actually feel good.
EDIT: you know it’s bad when even DJT himself is not trying to spin the results.