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United States intelligence officers and Special Operations forces in Afghanistan alerted their superiors as early as January to a suspected Russian plot to pay bounties to the Taliban to kill American troops in Afghanistan, according to officials briefed on the matter. They believed at least one U.S. troop death was the result of the bounties, two of the officials said.

Mohammad Ismail/Reuters A car bomb killed American soldiers at this site near Bagram Air Base in Afghanistan in April 2019.
The crucial information that led the spies and commandos to focus on the bounties included the recovery of a large amount of American cash from a raid on a Taliban outpost that prompted suspicions. Interrogations of captured militants and criminals played a central role in making the intelligence community confident in its assessment that the Russians had offered and paid bounties in 2019, another official has said.

Armed with this information, military and intelligence officials have been reviewing American and other coalition combat casualties over the past 18 months to determine whether any were victims of the plot. Four Americans were killed in combat in early 2020, but the Taliban have not attacked American positions since a February agreement to end the long-running war in Afghanistan.



The details added to the picture of the classified intelligence assessment, which The New York Times reported Friday has been under discussion inside the Trump administration since at least March, and emerged as the White House confronted a growing chorus of criticism on Sunday over its apparent failure to authorize a response to Russia.

Mr. Trump defended himself by denying the Times report that he had been briefed on the intelligence, expanding on a similar White House rebuttal a day earlier. But leading congressional Democrats and some Republicans demanded a response to Russia that, according to officials, the administration has yet to authorize.

The president “needs to immediately expose and handle this, and stop Russia’s shadow war,” Representative Adam Kinzinger, Republican of Illinois and a member of the House Foreign Affairs Committee, wrote on Twitter.

Appearing on the ABC program “This Week,” Speaker Nancy Pelosi said she had not been briefed on the intelligence assessment and had asked for an immediate report to Congress. She accused Mr. Trump of wanting “to ignore” any charges against Russia.

“Russia has never gotten over the humiliation they suffered in Afghanistan, and now they are taking it out on us, our troops,” she said of the Soviet Union’s bloody war there in the 1980s. “This is totally outrageous. You would think that the minute the president heard of it, he would want to know more instead of denying that he knew anything.”

Spokespeople for the C.I.A., the director of national intelligence and the Pentagon declined to comment on the new findings. A National Security Council spokesman, John L. Ullyot, said in a statement on Sunday night, “The veracity of the underlying allegations continues to be evaluated.”

Mr. Trump said Sunday night on Twitter that “Intel just reported to me that they did not find this info credible, and therefore did not report it to me or @VP.” One senior administration official offered a similar explanation, saying that Mr. Trump was not briefed because the intelligence agencies had come to no consensus on the findings.

But another official said there was broad agreement that the intelligence assessment was accurate, with some complexities because different aspects of the intelligence — including interrogations and surveillance data — resulted in some differences among agencies in how much confidence to put in each type.

Though the White House press secretary, Kayleigh McEnany, claimed on Saturday that Mr. Trump had not been briefed about the intelligence report, one American official had told The Times that the report was briefed to the highest levels of the White House. Another said it was included in the President’s Daily Brief, a compendium of foreign policy and national security intelligence compiled for Mr. Trump to read.

Ms. McEnany did not challenge The Times’s reporting on the existence of the intelligence assessment, a National Security Council interagency meeting about it in late March and the White House’s inaction. Multiple other news organizations also subsequently reported on the assessment, and The Washington Post first reported on Sunday that the bounties were believed to have resulted in the death of at least one American service member.

The officials briefed on the matter said that the assessment had been treated as a closely held secret but that the administration expanded briefings about it over the last week — including sharing information about it with the British government, whose forces were among those said to have been targeted.

Republicans in Congress demanded more information from the Trump administration about what happened and how the White House planned to respond.

Representative Liz Cheney of Wyoming, the third-ranking House Republican, said in a Twitter post on Sunday: “If reporting about Russian bounties on U.S. forces is true, the White House must explain: 1. Why weren’t the president or vice president briefed? Was the info in the PDB? 2. Who did know and when? 3. What has been done in response to protect our forces & hold Putin accountable?”

Multiple Republicans retweeted Ms. Cheney’s post. Representative Daniel Crenshaw, Republican of Texas and a former member of the Navy SEALs, amplified her message, tweeting, “We need answers.”

In a statement in response to questions, Senator Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, the majority leader, said he had long warned about Russia’s work to undermine American interests in the Middle East and southwest Asia and noted that he wrote an amendment last year rebuking Mr. Trump’s withdrawal of forces from Syria and Afghanistan.

“The United States needs to prioritize defense resources, maintain a sufficient regional military presence and continue to impose serious consequences on those who threaten us and our allies — like our strikes in Syria and Afghanistan against ISIS, the Taliban and Russian mercenary forces that threatened our partners,” Mr. McConnell said.

Aides for other top Republicans either declined to comment or did not respond to requests for comment on Sunday, including Representative Kevin McCarthy of California, the top House Republican; Senator Marco Rubio of Florida, the acting chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee; and Senator Jim Risch of Idaho, the chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.

In addition to saying he was never “briefed or told” about the intelligence report — a formulation that went beyond the White House denial of any formal briefing — Mr. Trump also cast doubt on the assessment’s credibility, which statements from his subordinates had not.

Specifically, he described the intelligence report as being about “so-called attacks on our troops in Afghanistan by Russians”; the report described bounties paid to Taliban militants by Russian military intelligence officers, not direct attacks. Mr. Trump also suggested that the developments could be a “hoax” and questioned whether The Times’s sources — government officials who spoke on the condition of anonymity — existed.

Mr. Trump then pivoted to attack former Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr., who criticized the president on Saturday for failing to punish Russia for offering bounties to the Taliban, as well as Mr. Biden’s son, Hunter, who is the target of unsubstantiated claims that he helped a Ukrainian energy firm curry favor with the Obama administration when his father was vice president.

“Nobody’s been tougher on Russia than the Trump Administration,” Mr. Trump tweeted. “With Corrupt Joe Biden & Obama, Russia had a field day, taking over important parts of Ukraine — Where’s Hunter?”

American officials said the Russian plot to pay bounties to Taliban fighters came into focus over the past several months after intelligence analysts and Special Operations forces put together key pieces of evidence.

One official said the seizure of a large amount of American cash at one Taliban site got “everybody’s attention” in Afghanistan. It was not clear when the money was recovered.

Two officials said the information about the bounty hunting was “well known” among the intelligence community in Afghanistan, including the C.I.A.’s chief of station and other top officials there, like the military commandos hunting the Taliban. The information was distributed in intelligence reports and highlighted in some of them.

The assessment was compiled and sent up the chain of command to senior military and intelligence officials, eventually landing at the highest levels of the White House. The Security Council meeting in March came at a delicate time, as the coronavirus pandemic was becoming a crisis and prompting shutdowns around the country.

A former American official said the national security adviser, Robert C. O’Brien, and the president’s chief of staff, Mark Meadows, would have been involved in any decision to brief Mr. Trump on Russia’s activities, as would have the intelligence analyst who briefs the president.. The director of the C.I.A., Gina Haspel, might have also weighed in, the former official said.

Ms. McEnany cited those three senior officials in her statement saying the president had not been briefed.

National security officials have tracked Russia’s relationship with the Taliban for years and determined that Moscow has provided financial and material support to senior and regional Taliban leaders.

While Russia has at times cooperated with the United States and appeared interested in Afghan stability, it often seems to work at crosscurrents with its own national interest if the result is damage to American national interests, said a former senior Trump White House official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive security assessments.

Revenge is also a factor in Russia’s support for the Taliban, the official said. Russia has been keen to even the scales after a bloody confrontation in 2018 in Syria, when a massive U.S. counterattack killed hundreds of Syrian forces along with Russian mercenaries nominally supported by the Kremlin.

“They are keeping a score sheet, and they want to punish us for that incident,” the official said.

Both Russia and the Taliban have denied the American intelligence assessment.

Ms. Pelosi said that if the president had not, in fact, been briefed, then the country should be concerned that his administration was afraid to share with him information regarding Russia.

Ms. Pelosi said that the episode underscored Mr. Trump’s accommodating stance toward Russia and that with him, “all roads lead to Putin.”

“This is as bad as it gets, and yet the president will not confront the Russians on this score, denies being briefed,” she said. “Whether he is or not, his administration knows, and some of our allies who work with us in Afghanistan have been briefed and accept this report.”

John R. Bolton, Mr. Trump’s former national security adviser, said on “This Week” that he was not aware of the intelligence assessment, but he questioned Mr. Trump’s response on Twitter.

“What would motivate the president to do that, because it looks bad if Russians are paying to kill Americans and we’re not doing anything about it?” Mr. Bolton said. “The presidential reaction is to say: ‘It’s not my responsibility. Nobody told me about it.’ And therefore to duck any complaints that he hasn’t acted effectively.”

Mr. Bolton said this summed up Mr. Trump’s decision-making on national security issues. “It’s just unconnected to the reality he’s dealing with.”

Reporting was contributed by Julian E. Barnes, Charlie Savage, Thomas Gibbons-Neff, Michael Schwirtz and Michael D. Shear.
 
Why is this still an issue? CBS News, which has no love for Trump, has already reported that low level intelligence looked into this and determined it was not credible. More importantly, intelligence officials have already said they never alerted the WH. In fact, they apparently never alerted Pelosi either.
 
Why is this still an issue? CBS News, which has no love for Trump, has already reported that low level intelligence looked into this and determined it was not credible. More importantly, intelligence officials have already said they never alerted the WH. In fact, they apparently never alerted Pelosi either.

should have never been an issue as I pointed out days ago

1. NYT
2. Unnamed sources

All you need to know, not sure if people will ever learn
 
United States intelligence officers and Special Operations forces in Afghanistan alerted their superiors as early as January to a suspected Russian plot to pay bounties to the Taliban to kill American troops in Afghanistan, according to officials briefed on the matter. They believed at least one U.S. troop death was the result of the bounties, two of the officials said.

Mohammad Ismail/Reuters A car bomb killed American soldiers at this site near Bagram Air Base in Afghanistan in April 2019.
The crucial information that led the spies and commandos to focus on the bounties included the recovery of a large amount of American cash from a raid on a Taliban outpost that prompted suspicions. Interrogations of captured militants and criminals played a central role in making the intelligence community confident in its assessment that the Russians had offered and paid bounties in 2019, another official has said.

Armed with this information, military and intelligence officials have been reviewing American and other coalition combat casualties over the past 18 months to determine whether any were victims of the plot. Four Americans were killed in combat in early 2020, but the Taliban have not attacked American positions since a February agreement to end the long-running war in Afghanistan.



The details added to the picture of the classified intelligence assessment, which The New York Times reported Friday has been under discussion inside the Trump administration since at least March, and emerged as the White House confronted a growing chorus of criticism on Sunday over its apparent failure to authorize a response to Russia.

Mr. Trump defended himself by denying the Times report that he had been briefed on the intelligence, expanding on a similar White House rebuttal a day earlier. But leading congressional Democrats and some Republicans demanded a response to Russia that, according to officials, the administration has yet to authorize.

The president “needs to immediately expose and handle this, and stop Russia’s shadow war,” Representative Adam Kinzinger, Republican of Illinois and a member of the House Foreign Affairs Committee, wrote on Twitter.

Appearing on the ABC program “This Week,” Speaker Nancy Pelosi said she had not been briefed on the intelligence assessment and had asked for an immediate report to Congress. She accused Mr. Trump of wanting “to ignore” any charges against Russia.

“Russia has never gotten over the humiliation they suffered in Afghanistan, and now they are taking it out on us, our troops,” she said of the Soviet Union’s bloody war there in the 1980s. “This is totally outrageous. You would think that the minute the president heard of it, he would want to know more instead of denying that he knew anything.”

Spokespeople for the C.I.A., the director of national intelligence and the Pentagon declined to comment on the new findings. A National Security Council spokesman, John L. Ullyot, said in a statement on Sunday night, “The veracity of the underlying allegations continues to be evaluated.”

Mr. Trump said Sunday night on Twitter that “Intel just reported to me that they did not find this info credible, and therefore did not report it to me or @VP.” One senior administration official offered a similar explanation, saying that Mr. Trump was not briefed because the intelligence agencies had come to no consensus on the findings.

But another official said there was broad agreement that the intelligence assessment was accurate, with some complexities because different aspects of the intelligence — including interrogations and surveillance data — resulted in some differences among agencies in how much confidence to put in each type.

Though the White House press secretary, Kayleigh McEnany, claimed on Saturday that Mr. Trump had not been briefed about the intelligence report, one American official had told The Times that the report was briefed to the highest levels of the White House. Another said it was included in the President’s Daily Brief, a compendium of foreign policy and national security intelligence compiled for Mr. Trump to read.

Ms. McEnany did not challenge The Times’s reporting on the existence of the intelligence assessment, a National Security Council interagency meeting about it in late March and the White House’s inaction. Multiple other news organizations also subsequently reported on the assessment, and The Washington Post first reported on Sunday that the bounties were believed to have resulted in the death of at least one American service member.

The officials briefed on the matter said that the assessment had been treated as a closely held secret but that the administration expanded briefings about it over the last week — including sharing information about it with the British government, whose forces were among those said to have been targeted.

Republicans in Congress demanded more information from the Trump administration about what happened and how the White House planned to respond.

Representative Liz Cheney of Wyoming, the third-ranking House Republican, said in a Twitter post on Sunday: “If reporting about Russian bounties on U.S. forces is true, the White House must explain: 1. Why weren’t the president or vice president briefed? Was the info in the PDB? 2. Who did know and when? 3. What has been done in response to protect our forces & hold Putin accountable?”

Multiple Republicans retweeted Ms. Cheney’s post. Representative Daniel Crenshaw, Republican of Texas and a former member of the Navy SEALs, amplified her message, tweeting, “We need answers.”

In a statement in response to questions, Senator Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, the majority leader, said he had long warned about Russia’s work to undermine American interests in the Middle East and southwest Asia and noted that he wrote an amendment last year rebuking Mr. Trump’s withdrawal of forces from Syria and Afghanistan.

“The United States needs to prioritize defense resources, maintain a sufficient regional military presence and continue to impose serious consequences on those who threaten us and our allies — like our strikes in Syria and Afghanistan against ISIS, the Taliban and Russian mercenary forces that threatened our partners,” Mr. McConnell said.

Aides for other top Republicans either declined to comment or did not respond to requests for comment on Sunday, including Representative Kevin McCarthy of California, the top House Republican; Senator Marco Rubio of Florida, the acting chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee; and Senator Jim Risch of Idaho, the chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.

In addition to saying he was never “briefed or told” about the intelligence report — a formulation that went beyond the White House denial of any formal briefing — Mr. Trump also cast doubt on the assessment’s credibility, which statements from his subordinates had not.

Specifically, he described the intelligence report as being about “so-called attacks on our troops in Afghanistan by Russians”; the report described bounties paid to Taliban militants by Russian military intelligence officers, not direct attacks. Mr. Trump also suggested that the developments could be a “hoax” and questioned whether The Times’s sources — government officials who spoke on the condition of anonymity — existed.

Mr. Trump then pivoted to attack former Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr., who criticized the president on Saturday for failing to punish Russia for offering bounties to the Taliban, as well as Mr. Biden’s son, Hunter, who is the target of unsubstantiated claims that he helped a Ukrainian energy firm curry favor with the Obama administration when his father was vice president.

“Nobody’s been tougher on Russia than the Trump Administration,” Mr. Trump tweeted. “With Corrupt Joe Biden & Obama, Russia had a field day, taking over important parts of Ukraine — Where’s Hunter?”

American officials said the Russian plot to pay bounties to Taliban fighters came into focus over the past several months after intelligence analysts and Special Operations forces put together key pieces of evidence.

One official said the seizure of a large amount of American cash at one Taliban site got “everybody’s attention” in Afghanistan. It was not clear when the money was recovered.

Two officials said the information about the bounty hunting was “well known” among the intelligence community in Afghanistan, including the C.I.A.’s chief of station and other top officials there, like the military commandos hunting the Taliban. The information was distributed in intelligence reports and highlighted in some of them.

The assessment was compiled and sent up the chain of command to senior military and intelligence officials, eventually landing at the highest levels of the White House. The Security Council meeting in March came at a delicate time, as the coronavirus pandemic was becoming a crisis and prompting shutdowns around the country.

A former American official said the national security adviser, Robert C. O’Brien, and the president’s chief of staff, Mark Meadows, would have been involved in any decision to brief Mr. Trump on Russia’s activities, as would have the intelligence analyst who briefs the president.. The director of the C.I.A., Gina Haspel, might have also weighed in, the former official said.

Ms. McEnany cited those three senior officials in her statement saying the president had not been briefed.

National security officials have tracked Russia’s relationship with the Taliban for years and determined that Moscow has provided financial and material support to senior and regional Taliban leaders.

While Russia has at times cooperated with the United States and appeared interested in Afghan stability, it often seems to work at crosscurrents with its own national interest if the result is damage to American national interests, said a former senior Trump White House official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive security assessments.

Revenge is also a factor in Russia’s support for the Taliban, the official said. Russia has been keen to even the scales after a bloody confrontation in 2018 in Syria, when a massive U.S. counterattack killed hundreds of Syrian forces along with Russian mercenaries nominally supported by the Kremlin.

“They are keeping a score sheet, and they want to punish us for that incident,” the official said.

Both Russia and the Taliban have denied the American intelligence assessment.

Ms. Pelosi said that if the president had not, in fact, been briefed, then the country should be concerned that his administration was afraid to share with him information regarding Russia.

Ms. Pelosi said that the episode underscored Mr. Trump’s accommodating stance toward Russia and that with him, “all roads lead to Putin.”

“This is as bad as it gets, and yet the president will not confront the Russians on this score, denies being briefed,” she said. “Whether he is or not, his administration knows, and some of our allies who work with us in Afghanistan have been briefed and accept this report.”

John R. Bolton, Mr. Trump’s former national security adviser, said on “This Week” that he was not aware of the intelligence assessment, but he questioned Mr. Trump’s response on Twitter.

“What would motivate the president to do that, because it looks bad if Russians are paying to kill Americans and we’re not doing anything about it?” Mr. Bolton said. “The presidential reaction is to say: ‘It’s not my responsibility. Nobody told me about it.’ And therefore to duck any complaints that he hasn’t acted effectively.”

Mr. Bolton said this summed up Mr. Trump’s decision-making on national security issues. “It’s just unconnected to the reality he’s dealing with.”

Reporting was contributed by Julian E. Barnes, Charlie Savage, Thomas Gibbons-Neff, Michael Schwirtz and Michael D. Shear.
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United States intelligence officers and Special Operations forces in Afghanistan alerted their superiors as early as January to a suspected Russian plot to pay bounties to the Taliban to kill American troops in Afghanistan, according to officials briefed on the matter. They believed at least one U.S. troop death was the result of the bounties, two of the officials said.

Mohammad Ismail/Reuters A car bomb killed American soldiers at this site near Bagram Air Base in Afghanistan in April 2019.
The crucial information that led the spies and commandos to focus on the bounties included the recovery of a large amount of American cash from a raid on a Taliban outpost that prompted suspicions. Interrogations of captured militants and criminals played a central role in making the intelligence community confident in its assessment that the Russians had offered and paid bounties in 2019, another official has said.

Armed with this information, military and intelligence officials have been reviewing American and other coalition combat casualties over the past 18 months to determine whether any were victims of the plot. Four Americans were killed in combat in early 2020, but the Taliban have not attacked American positions since a February agreement to end the long-running war in Afghanistan.



The details added to the picture of the classified intelligence assessment, which The New York Times reported Friday has been under discussion inside the Trump administration since at least March, and emerged as the White House confronted a growing chorus of criticism on Sunday over its apparent failure to authorize a response to Russia.

Mr. Trump defended himself by denying the Times report that he had been briefed on the intelligence, expanding on a similar White House rebuttal a day earlier. But leading congressional Democrats and some Republicans demanded a response to Russia that, according to officials, the administration has yet to authorize.

The president “needs to immediately expose and handle this, and stop Russia’s shadow war,” Representative Adam Kinzinger, Republican of Illinois and a member of the House Foreign Affairs Committee, wrote on Twitter.

Appearing on the ABC program “This Week,” Speaker Nancy Pelosi said she had not been briefed on the intelligence assessment and had asked for an immediate report to Congress. She accused Mr. Trump of wanting “to ignore” any charges against Russia.

“Russia has never gotten over the humiliation they suffered in Afghanistan, and now they are taking it out on us, our troops,” she said of the Soviet Union’s bloody war there in the 1980s. “This is totally outrageous. You would think that the minute the president heard of it, he would want to know more instead of denying that he knew anything.”

Spokespeople for the C.I.A., the director of national intelligence and the Pentagon declined to comment on the new findings. A National Security Council spokesman, John L. Ullyot, said in a statement on Sunday night, “The veracity of the underlying allegations continues to be evaluated.”

Mr. Trump said Sunday night on Twitter that “Intel just reported to me that they did not find this info credible, and therefore did not report it to me or @VP.” One senior administration official offered a similar explanation, saying that Mr. Trump was not briefed because the intelligence agencies had come to no consensus on the findings.

But another official said there was broad agreement that the intelligence assessment was accurate, with some complexities because different aspects of the intelligence — including interrogations and surveillance data — resulted in some differences among agencies in how much confidence to put in each type.

Though the White House press secretary, Kayleigh McEnany, claimed on Saturday that Mr. Trump had not been briefed about the intelligence report, one American official had told The Times that the report was briefed to the highest levels of the White House. Another said it was included in the President’s Daily Brief, a compendium of foreign policy and national security intelligence compiled for Mr. Trump to read.

Ms. McEnany did not challenge The Times’s reporting on the existence of the intelligence assessment, a National Security Council interagency meeting about it in late March and the White House’s inaction. Multiple other news organizations also subsequently reported on the assessment, and The Washington Post first reported on Sunday that the bounties were believed to have resulted in the death of at least one American service member.

The officials briefed on the matter said that the assessment had been treated as a closely held secret but that the administration expanded briefings about it over the last week — including sharing information about it with the British government, whose forces were among those said to have been targeted.

Republicans in Congress demanded more information from the Trump administration about what happened and how the White House planned to respond.

Representative Liz Cheney of Wyoming, the third-ranking House Republican, said in a Twitter post on Sunday: “If reporting about Russian bounties on U.S. forces is true, the White House must explain: 1. Why weren’t the president or vice president briefed? Was the info in the PDB? 2. Who did know and when? 3. What has been done in response to protect our forces & hold Putin accountable?”

Multiple Republicans retweeted Ms. Cheney’s post. Representative Daniel Crenshaw, Republican of Texas and a former member of the Navy SEALs, amplified her message, tweeting, “We need answers.”

In a statement in response to questions, Senator Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, the majority leader, said he had long warned about Russia’s work to undermine American interests in the Middle East and southwest Asia and noted that he wrote an amendment last year rebuking Mr. Trump’s withdrawal of forces from Syria and Afghanistan.

“The United States needs to prioritize defense resources, maintain a sufficient regional military presence and continue to impose serious consequences on those who threaten us and our allies — like our strikes in Syria and Afghanistan against ISIS, the Taliban and Russian mercenary forces that threatened our partners,” Mr. McConnell said.

Aides for other top Republicans either declined to comment or did not respond to requests for comment on Sunday, including Representative Kevin McCarthy of California, the top House Republican; Senator Marco Rubio of Florida, the acting chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee; and Senator Jim Risch of Idaho, the chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.

In addition to saying he was never “briefed or told” about the intelligence report — a formulation that went beyond the White House denial of any formal briefing — Mr. Trump also cast doubt on the assessment’s credibility, which statements from his subordinates had not.

Specifically, he described the intelligence report as being about “so-called attacks on our troops in Afghanistan by Russians”; the report described bounties paid to Taliban militants by Russian military intelligence officers, not direct attacks. Mr. Trump also suggested that the developments could be a “hoax” and questioned whether The Times’s sources — government officials who spoke on the condition of anonymity — existed.

Mr. Trump then pivoted to attack former Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr., who criticized the president on Saturday for failing to punish Russia for offering bounties to the Taliban, as well as Mr. Biden’s son, Hunter, who is the target of unsubstantiated claims that he helped a Ukrainian energy firm curry favor with the Obama administration when his father was vice president.

“Nobody’s been tougher on Russia than the Trump Administration,” Mr. Trump tweeted. “With Corrupt Joe Biden & Obama, Russia had a field day, taking over important parts of Ukraine — Where’s Hunter?”

American officials said the Russian plot to pay bounties to Taliban fighters came into focus over the past several months after intelligence analysts and Special Operations forces put together key pieces of evidence.

One official said the seizure of a large amount of American cash at one Taliban site got “everybody’s attention” in Afghanistan. It was not clear when the money was recovered.

Two officials said the information about the bounty hunting was “well known” among the intelligence community in Afghanistan, including the C.I.A.’s chief of station and other top officials there, like the military commandos hunting the Taliban. The information was distributed in intelligence reports and highlighted in some of them.

The assessment was compiled and sent up the chain of command to senior military and intelligence officials, eventually landing at the highest levels of the White House. The Security Council meeting in March came at a delicate time, as the coronavirus pandemic was becoming a crisis and prompting shutdowns around the country.

A former American official said the national security adviser, Robert C. O’Brien, and the president’s chief of staff, Mark Meadows, would have been involved in any decision to brief Mr. Trump on Russia’s activities, as would have the intelligence analyst who briefs the president.. The director of the C.I.A., Gina Haspel, might have also weighed in, the former official said.

Ms. McEnany cited those three senior officials in her statement saying the president had not been briefed.

National security officials have tracked Russia’s relationship with the Taliban for years and determined that Moscow has provided financial and material support to senior and regional Taliban leaders.

While Russia has at times cooperated with the United States and appeared interested in Afghan stability, it often seems to work at crosscurrents with its own national interest if the result is damage to American national interests, said a former senior Trump White House official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive security assessments.

Revenge is also a factor in Russia’s support for the Taliban, the official said. Russia has been keen to even the scales after a bloody confrontation in 2018 in Syria, when a massive U.S. counterattack killed hundreds of Syrian forces along with Russian mercenaries nominally supported by the Kremlin.

“They are keeping a score sheet, and they want to punish us for that incident,” the official said.

Both Russia and the Taliban have denied the American intelligence assessment.

Ms. Pelosi said that if the president had not, in fact, been briefed, then the country should be concerned that his administration was afraid to share with him information regarding Russia.

Ms. Pelosi said that the episode underscored Mr. Trump’s accommodating stance toward Russia and that with him, “all roads lead to Putin.”

“This is as bad as it gets, and yet the president will not confront the Russians on this score, denies being briefed,” she said. “Whether he is or not, his administration knows, and some of our allies who work with us in Afghanistan have been briefed and accept this report.”

John R. Bolton, Mr. Trump’s former national security adviser, said on “This Week” that he was not aware of the intelligence assessment, but he questioned Mr. Trump’s response on Twitter.

“What would motivate the president to do that, because it looks bad if Russians are paying to kill Americans and we’re not doing anything about it?” Mr. Bolton said. “The presidential reaction is to say: ‘It’s not my responsibility. Nobody told me about it.’ And therefore to duck any complaints that he hasn’t acted effectively.”

Mr. Bolton said this summed up Mr. Trump’s decision-making on national security issues. “It’s just unconnected to the reality he’s dealing with.”

Reporting was contributed by Julian E. Barnes, Charlie Savage, Thomas Gibbons-Neff, Michael Schwirtz and Michael D. Shear.

It was obviously the intel communities fault for presenting the briefing in the form of words instead of pictures.
 
just look at who posted it and who liked it... tells you all you need to know.. They get there stuff from dubious sources and then spew it like its the gospel.[/QUOTE


You can not be as simple minded as you act. You don't think there are cover ups in the military and every administration?


https://www.stamfordadvocate.com/ne...ntelligence-did-not-find-reports-15373347.php

American officials provided a written briefing in late February to President Trump laying out their conclusion that a Russian military intelligence unit offered and paid bounties to Taliban-linked militants to kill U.S. and coalition troops in Afghanistan, two officials familiar with the matter said.

The assessment was included in at least one of President Donald Trump’s written daily intelligence briefings at the time, according to the officialsThe assessment was included in at least one of President Don
ald Trump’s written daily intelligence briefings at the time, according to the officials

https://apnews.com/fcf3ec359401c7575f5402b4da9b00a3

But you just like a good marxist, deny all and label any criticism from the truth seekers.
You do know Pat Tillman was not killed by the Taliban. Remember that infamous cover up?
You can not be as simple minded as you act. You don't think there are cover ups in the military and every administration?


https://www.stamfordadvocate.com/ne...ntelligence-did-not-find-reports-15373347.php

American officials provided a written briefing in late February to President Trump laying out their conclusion that a Russian military intelligence unit offered and paid bounties to Taliban-linked militants to kill U.S. and coalition troops in Afghanistan, two officials familiar with the matter said.

The assessment was included in at least one of President Donald Trump’s written daily intelligence briefings at the time, according to the officialsThe assessment was included in at least one of President Don
ald Trump’s written daily intelligence briefings at the time, according to the officials

https://apnews.com/fcf3ec359401c7575f5402b4da9b00a3

But you just like a good marxist, deny all and label any criticism from the truth seekers.
You do know Pat Tillman was not killed by the Taliban. Remember that infamous cover up?
 
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You can not be as simple minded as you act. You don't think there are cover ups in the military and every administration?


https://www.stamfordadvocate.com/ne...ntelligence-did-not-find-reports-15373347.php

American officials provided a written briefing in late February to President Trump laying out their conclusion that a Russian military intelligence unit offered and paid bounties to Taliban-linked militants to kill U.S. and coalition troops in Afghanistan, two officials familiar with the matter said.

The assessment was included in at least one of President Donald Trump’s written daily intelligence briefings at the time, according to the officialsThe assessment was included in at least one of President Don
ald Trump’s written daily intelligence briefings at the time, according to the officials

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But you just like a good marxist, deny all and label any criticism from the truth seekers.
You do know Pat Tillman was not killed by the Taliban. Remember that infamous cover up?


LOL no one on here but you would call me a marxist, shoots holes in any and every claim you have to being a reasonable person... wait,,, anyone with half a brain already knows what you are which is a sniffling self absorbed arrogant anti America baby killing smug pos. Yes, I do know that Pat Tilman was a case of friendly fire.
YOU on the other hand do not know that the media lies about Trump all day everyday and you swallow hook line and ball weights???. LOL You are so ridiculous, if its anti Trump you believe it, if its not anti Trump you dismiss it... even if its from a liberal msm source... Trump must have taken your woman or something because your blinding bias against all things Trump has you on the side of Pelosi schumer, schiff, nadler, mike moore, meat head, barbra Streisand, cher, sean penn and other wonderful commie lying hypocrites. LOL What a fool you are. Just stop. Your posts prove what you are beyond a shadow of a doubt. Commie liberal turd.
 
LOL no one on here but you would call me a marxist, shoots holes in any and every claim you have to being a reasonable person... wait,,, anyone with half a brain already knows what you are which is a sniffling self absorbed arrogant anti America baby killing smug pos. Yes, I do know that Pat Tilman was a case of friendly fire.
YOU on the other hand to not know that the media lies about Trump all day everyday and you swallow hook line and ball weights???. LOL You are so ridiculous, if its anti Trump you believe it, if its not anti Trump you dismiss it... even if its from a liberal msm source... Trump must have taken your woman or something because your blinding bias against all things Trump has you on the side of Pelosi schumer, schiff, nadler, mike moore, meat head, barbra Streisand, cher, sean penn and other wonderful commie lying hypocrites. LOL What a fool you are. Just stop. You posts prove what you are beyond a shadow of a doubt. Commie liberal turd.
Dung brain you are a closet Marxist that wants to oppress opposition and truth. Your simpleton ways of living a government cover up exposes how gullible and naive you are. Comrade Putin wants to award you and trump the medal of Lenin as he puts bounties on our soldiers. Benedict Arnold acting morons like you are selling us down the river.
 
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Dung brain you are a closet Marxist that wants to oppress opposition and truth. Your simpleton ways of living a government cover up exposes how gullible and naive you are. Comrade Putin wants to award you and trump the medal of Lenin as he puts bounties on our soldiers. Benedict Arnold acting morons like you are selling us down the river.

HaBwhahahahhahah,,, you are hoot comrade fury. You are beyond help. Truth according to who??? You fool, you hypocritical lying fool. I have no problem with honest difference of opinion. But I do have a problem with communist like you and the dim party trying to destroy the country with lies, division, and down right sedition.

Hey comrade, why won't you talk about the fact that you are aligned with known socialist like sean penn, cher, babs, pelosi shcumer, mikey moore, al gore, senile joe, and the whole freaking communist dimwit party... Its a blast for someone like you to call me a simpleton not knowing the truth... I know the truth,,, you know what the propaganda outlets and the dim talking points of the day have told you.

Let me guess,,, you believe that Trump praised white supremacist's in Charlottesville, right? LOL,,,, boy, just keep popping off... anyone with a doubt about you is getting an eyeful,,, (@atlantacock) LOL... You know, It bothers me none what you say about me.. It is so outlandish and far from the truth that no one will believe it other than your marxist comrades like celtic, roy mecer etc. etc.. LOL now on the other hand.. You open your arrogant swollen mouth and prove every day that the things I say about you are true. You are a dimwit, communist anti American wolf in sheeps clothing... claiming intellectual superiority when if fact you are numb from the kness up and only know what you've been told to say.. HA HA HA>> further,,, why do you always try to use the same stuff I say about you like calling me a marxist etc. You so dumb you can't even think of anything to original to call someone... LOL BTW just so you remember,,, I don't give a flying flip what you call me... Coming from you being called simple or dung brain or any such thing is a compliment. I am very honored that an idiot communist anti American does not like me. I like all Americans that are for America... you on the other hand can kiss my America loving back side. Have a great afternoon commie dufus.
 
HaBwhahahahhahah,,, you are hoot comrade fury. You are beyond help. Truth according to who??? You fool, you hypocritical lying fool. I have no problem with honest difference of opinion. But I do have a problem with communist like you and the dim party trying to destroy the country with lies, division, and down right sedition.

Hey comrade, why won't you talk about the fact that you are aligned with known socialist like sean penn, cher, babs, pelosi shcumer, mikey moore, al gore, senile joe, and the whole freaking communist dimwit party... Its a blast for someone like you to call me a simpleton not knowing the truth... I know the truth,,, you know what the propaganda outlets and the dim talking points of the day have told you.

Let me guess,,, you believe that Trump praised white supremacist's in Charlottesville, right? LOL,,,, boy, just keep popping off... anyone with a doubt about you is getting an eyeful,,, (@atlantacock) LOL... You know, It bothers me none what you say about me.. It is so outlandish and far from the truth that no one will believe it other than your marxist comrades like celtic, roy mecer etc. etc.. LOL now on the other hand.. You open your arrogant swollen mouth and prove every day that the things I say about you are true. You are a dimwit, communist anti American wolf in sheeps clothing... claiming intellectual superiority when if fact you are numb from the kness up and only know what you've been told to say.. HA HA HA>> further,,, why do you always try to use the same stuff I say about you like calling me a marxist etc. You so dumb you can't even think of anything to original to call someone... LOL BTW just so you remember,,, I don't give a flying flip what you call me... Coming from you being called simple or dung brain or any such thing is a compliment. I am very honored that an idiot communist anti American does not like me. I like all Americans that are for America... you on the other hand can kiss my America loving back side. Have a great afternoon commie dufus.
Yyyyyyyyikes!
 
HaBwhahahahhahah,,, you are hoot comrade fury. You are beyond help. Truth according to who??? You fool, you hypocritical lying fool. I have no problem with honest difference of opinion. But I do have a problem with communist like you and the dim party trying to destroy the country with lies, division, and down right sedition.

Hey comrade, why won't you talk about the fact that you are aligned with known socialist like sean penn, cher, babs, pelosi shcumer, mikey moore, al gore, senile joe, and the whole freaking communist dimwit party... Its a blast for someone like you to call me a simpleton not knowing the truth... I know the truth,,, you know what the propaganda outlets and the dim talking points of the day have told you.

Let me guess,,, you believe that Trump praised white supremacist's in Charlottesville, right? LOL,,,, boy, just keep popping off... anyone with a doubt about you is getting an eyeful,,, (@atlantacock) LOL... You know, It bothers me none what you say about me.. It is so outlandish and far from the truth that no one will believe it other than your marxist comrades like celtic, roy mecer etc. etc.. LOL now on the other hand.. You open your arrogant swollen mouth and prove every day that the things I say about you are true. You are a dimwit, communist anti American wolf in sheeps clothing... claiming intellectual superiority when if fact you are numb from the kness up and only know what you've been told to say.. HA HA HA>> further,,, why do you always try to use the same stuff I say about you like calling me a marxist etc. You so dumb you can't even think of anything to original to call someone... LOL BTW just so you remember,,, I don't give a flying flip what you call me... Coming from you being called simple or dung brain or any such thing is a compliment. I am very honored that an idiot communist anti American does not like me. I like all Americans that are for America... you on the other hand can kiss my America loving back side. Have a great afternoon commie dufus.
I am so glad your marxist oppressive thinking self knows now that you are a dung brain that never step foot into a classroom at UGA and are incapable of rational thought. You are such a perfect target to be a blind sheep and march to the beat of trump propaganda.
If I were to have to ever kiss your ugly backside I would just take daily lessons from you as you kiss and worship trumps gloryhole like a Hollywood working girl. Now go on off and climb into bed with visions of trump and Putin dancing in your head.
 
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Dung brain you are a closet Marxist that wants to oppress opposition and truth. Your simpleton ways of living a government cover up exposes how gullible and naive you are. Comrade Putin wants to award you and trump the medal of Lenin as he puts bounties on our soldiers. Benedict Arnold acting morons like you are selling us down the river.
Shut up little pinko commie punk
 
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LOL no one on here but you would call me a marxist, shoots holes in any and every claim you have to being a reasonable person... wait,,, anyone with half a brain already knows what you are which is a sniffling self absorbed arrogant anti America baby killing smug pos. Yes, I do know that Pat Tilman was a case of friendly fire.
YOU on the other hand do not know that the media lies about Trump all day everyday and you swallow hook line and ball weights???. LOL You are so ridiculous, if its anti Trump you believe it, if its not anti Trump you dismiss it... even if its from a liberal msm source... Trump must have taken your woman or something because your blinding bias against all things Trump has you on the side of Pelosi schumer, schiff, nadler, mike moore, meat head, barbra Streisand, cher, sean penn and other wonderful commie lying hypocrites. LOL What a fool you are. Just stop. Your posts prove what you are beyond a shadow of a doubt. Commie liberal turd.
U going to leave if Mr. Joe wins or R U going to take it laying down.
 
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stud dog can't anyone not agree with U without being called names. U do know it shows your intelligence or lack of.
That is what trump teaches them. Oppress if you don't love worship and blindly obey. This is supposed to be a free republic but they do not take kindly to those who do not bow down and blindly follow.
I question EVERY politician. Used to follow blindly but my man Nixon taught me to open my eyes and mind
 
I am so glad your marxist oppressive thinking self knows now that you are a dung brain that never step foot into a classroom at UGA and are incapable of rational thought. You are such a perfect target to be a blind sheep and march to the beat of trump propaganda.
If I were to have to ever kiss your ugly backside I would just take daily lessons from you as you kiss and worship trumps gloryhole like a Hollywood working girl. Now go on off and climb into bed with visions of trump and Putin dancing in your head.

You are sooooooo dumb... LOL where did I say i agreed with you... If you had any intelligence, you would see where I plainly said, it matters not what you say about me, because those that count know better.. LOL but I should have known you would miss that.. You miss everything else. It's rich you calling someone a sheep.. You think you are being "super intelligent" more intelligent than the rest because you can repeat every dimwit, commie talking point ever... You are not an original thinker. You can't even dis someone without copying what has been said about you>>> lol you are one more arrogant sob... you need to meet stephan so you 2 can try to decide which one is the smartest. You will argue for years. You both think very highly of yourselves...

Why don't you try a rational thought on me.. lets see you say Trump was briefed... well rationally we know Trump loves America and puts America first. So does it make sense that he would just allow that to go without a word? NO,,,, but you on the other hand, irrationally think that Trump is a russian mole bassed on all the crap the dims have tried to pull and say... more and more is coming out showing just how crooked the whole thing was. yet you,,, with your supposed rational superior intellect still believe the Russia hoax, and oh yeah,,, anything else the dims say about Trump... So I ask you, who is using rational thought and who is a sheep dim wit commie marxist scum?

I also don't think that i am your comic relief, I know it bugs heck out of you that I will stand up to your lies, and your wolf in sheeps clothing act,,, claiming to be unbiased and a "thinker" LOL<,, talk about comic relief... Sorry commie,,, I won't just sit by and watch people like you try to destroy the country from within.. You rob reiner mikey moore, sean penn looking commie rat. I am so happy my education is superior to yours so i can read through the propaganda and determine truth from fiction unlike you. I don't suffer for TDS nor do i think i am the most intelligent human walking like you believe about you... I hope and pray you didn't attend UGA or at least did not get a degree from there.. Brings down our standing if you did.... I bet you went to athens tech didn't you? Are you on welfare and believe other tax payers should support your commie back side? LOL

Come on mr red... lets have a rational discussion,, tell us about the dim party and how it is morally superior... Clean as the driven snow... Kennedy didn't have affairs in the white house. Johnson didn't have affairs in the white house, Carter was just stupid like you, clinton didn't do an intern in the oval office and odufus didn't sleep with a tranny in the white house. Now remind me of all the immoral things trump has done... YOU are a hypocrite. Most pols are worthless, I don't vote for a party, I vote for the person that will cut taxes, protect America, protect our borders, defend the unborn. If I was waiting for someone with good morals to run for pres. I wouldn't even vote. HEY didn't you guys tell us that slick willy's oval office stunts was a personal matter and shouldn't affect him politically.. Hypocrite. Thats all you are. A self righteous hypocrirte. I didn't vote for Trump because he was a bastion of virtue, but compared to your party's nominee, he looked like St. Peter. Its a laughing joke for you to stand on you pedestal and rake Trumps morals over the coals when voting other wise was a vote for a murdering Clinton... Go ahead big fella,,, defend that rational thought of yours... As I said before its people like you that will be the downfall of America. I stand by that.

Go ahead, vote for the likes of crazy joe, pelosi schumer,,,etc. See what it gets you fool.
 
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You are sooooooo dumb... LOL where did I say i agreed with you... If you had any intelligence, you would see where I plainly said, it matters not what you say about me, because those that count know better.. LOL but I should have known you would miss that.. You miss everything else. It's rich you calling someone a sheep.. You think you are being "super intelligent" more intelligent than the rest because you can repeat every dimwit, commie talking point ever... You are not an original thinker. You can't even dis someone without copying what has been said about you>>> lol you are one more arrogant sob... you need to meet stephan so you 2 can try to decide which one is the smartest. You will argue for years. You both think very highly of yourselves...

Why don't you try a rational thought on me.. lets see you say Trump was briefed... well rationally we know Trump loves America and puts America first. So does it make sense that he would just allow that to go without a word? NO,,,, but you on the other hand, irrationally think that Trump is a russian mole bassed on all the crap the dims have tried to pull and say... more and more is coming out showing just how crooked the whole thing was. yet you,,, with your supposed rational superior intellect still believe the Russia hoax, and oh yeah,,, anything else the dims say about Trump... So I ask you, who is using rational thought and who is a sheep dim wit commie marxist scum?

I also don't think that i am your comic relief, I know it bugs heck out of you that I will stand up to your lies, and your wolf in sheeps clothing act,,, claiming to be unbiased and a "thinker" LOL<,, talk about comic relief... Sorry commie,,, I won't just sit by and watch people like you try to destroy the country from within.. You rob reiner mikey moore, sean penn looking commie rat. I am so happy my education is superior to yours so i can read through the propaganda and determine truth from fiction unlike you. I don't suffer for TDS nor do i think i am the most intelligent human walking like you believe about you... I hope and pray you didn't attend UGA or at least did not get a degree from there.. Brings down our standing if you did.... I bet you went to athens tech didn't you? Are you on welfare and believe other tax payers should support your commie back side? LOL

Come on mr red... lets have a rational discussion,, tell us about the dim party and how it is morally superior... Clean as the driven snow... Kennedy didn't have affairs in the white house. Johnson didn't have affairs in the white house, Carter was just stupid like you, clinton didn't do an intern in the oval office and odufus didn't sleep with a tranny in the white house. Now remind me of all the immoral things trump has done... YOU are a hypocrite. Most pols are worthless, I don't vote for a party, I vote for the person that will cut taxes, protect America, protect our borders, defend the unborn. If I was waiting for someone with good morals to run for pres. I wouldn't even vote. HEY didn't you guys tell us that slick willy's oval office stunts was a personal matter and shouldn't affect him politically.. Hypocrite. Thats all you are. A self righteous hypocrirte. I didn't vote for Trump because he was a bastion of virtue, but compared to your party's nominee, he looked like St. Peter. Its a laughing joke for you to stand on you pedestal and rake Trumps morals over the coals when voting other wise was a vote for a murdering Clinton... Go ahead big fella,,, defend that rational thought of yours... As I said before its people like you that will be the downfall of America. I stand by that.

Go ahead, vote for the likes of crazy joe, pelosi schumer,,,etc. See what it gets you fool.
Yyyyyyyikes x 2!
 
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You are sooooooo dumb... LOL where did I say i agreed with you... If you had any intelligence, you would see where I plainly said, it matters not what you say about me, because those that count know better.. LOL but I should have known you would miss that.. You miss everything else. It's rich you calling someone a sheep.. You think you are being "super intelligent" more intelligent than the rest because you can repeat every dimwit, commie talking point ever... You are not an original thinker. You can't even dis someone without copying what has been said about you>>> lol you are one more arrogant sob... you need to meet stephan so you 2 can try to decide which one is the smartest. You will argue for years. You both think very highly of yourselves...

Why don't you try a rational thought on me.. lets see you say Trump was briefed... well rationally we know Trump loves America and puts America first. So does it make sense that he would just allow that to go without a word? NO,,,, but you on the other hand, irrationally think that Trump is a russian mole bassed on all the crap the dims have tried to pull and say... more and more is coming out showing just how crooked the whole thing was. yet you,,, with your supposed rational superior intellect still believe the Russia hoax, and oh yeah,,, anything else the dims say about Trump... So I ask you, who is using rational thought and who is a sheep dim wit commie marxist scum?

I also don't think that i am your comic relief, I know it bugs heck out of you that I will stand up to your lies, and your wolf in sheeps clothing act,,, claiming to be unbiased and a "thinker" LOL<,, talk about comic relief... Sorry commie,,, I won't just sit by and watch people like you try to destroy the country from within.. You rob reiner mikey moore, sean penn looking commie rat. I am so happy my education is superior to yours so i can read through the propaganda and determine truth from fiction unlike you. I don't suffer for TDS nor do i think i am the most intelligent human walking like you believe about you... I hope and pray you didn't attend UGA or at least did not get a degree from there.. Brings down our standing if you did.... I bet you went to athens tech didn't you? Are you on welfare and believe other tax payers should support your commie back side? LOL

Come on mr red... lets have a rational discussion,, tell us about the dim party and how it is morally superior... Clean as the driven snow... Kennedy didn't have affairs in the white house. Johnson didn't have affairs in the white house, Carter was just stupid like you, clinton didn't do an intern in the oval office and odufus didn't sleep with a tranny in the white house. Now remind me of all the immoral things trump has done... YOU are a hypocrite. Most pols are worthless, I don't vote for a party, I vote for the person that will cut taxes, protect America, protect our borders, defend the unborn. If I was waiting for someone with good morals to run for pres. I wouldn't even vote. HEY didn't you guys tell us that slick willy's oval office stunts was a personal matter and shouldn't affect him politically.. Hypocrite. Thats all you are. A self righteous hypocrirte. I didn't vote for Trump because he was a bastion of virtue, but compared to your party's nominee, he looked like St. Peter. Its a laughing joke for you to stand on you pedestal and rake Trumps morals over the coals when voting other wise was a vote for a murdering Clinton... Go ahead big fella,,, defend that rational thought of yours... As I said before its people like you that will be the downfall of America. I stand by that.

Go ahead, vote for the likes of crazy joe, pelosi schumer,,,etc. See what it gets you fool.

If you EVER post one reply without your low-level low iq 2nd grade childish name calling I will be more than happy to have that discussion. Saying something is dumb or stupid vs saying the list of name calling which is all you have. I can sit here and call names all day long, its funny to me.
Like I have told you, I have positions discussed in many threads on here. Hoffman, who is one of the best here at calmly showing and listing articulate positions with comebacks has had several exchanges with me trying to show trumps greatness(NOT).
Monday night we exchanged thought on the USMCA agreement which he like trump says is great but experts on both sides say it is the same as NAFTA with very little difference.
So feel free to jump in at any point with real points and no insults if that is humanly possible for you. You think a position is dumb so what say so but just because a republican sees more harm than good from trump all guys like you can do is say you are a commie or a dim, yet trump like Obama is using the free printing press of the fed to keep the economy afloat and now the fed is having to buy CORPORATE bonds to help(now that is scary)

And yes I firmly believe one of three things has happened on bounty gate and listed backing for all of that above:
so Trump either had a brief which some say was written and he didn't read it
Some say he was told about it and of course he denies it
or l his only defense in my mind is IF he wasn't told then somebody in my mind is not only guilty of insubordination and that person should be fired and we all know how trump loves to fire people who 6 months ago he hired saying they were great. He is the worst hiring/appointing president since Harding.

So jump in and discuss big guy
 
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Yeah, I actually freaking hate that I know his restaurant in Nashville. My wife and I were excited to join and help support a fellow dawg once her hospital got out of this C19 stuff and she stops working 80 hours a week. He hates a large segment of the population because they are in a different political party. Who the hell lives with that much hatred? I’m not even a republican but if you hate everyone on the other side and have his sort of opinion about them then I can’t support you (not that he cares, clearly).

I don't HATE anyone. Heck I have friends on both sides, I am a conservative with a libertarian streak. If you see chatroom arguing as hate then that is your opinion. But heck I don't even know this guy I arguing with but it did piss me off when he said he hopes my children and their children suffered from policies I support. But if he had I business believe it or not I would go in. Heck I would even off to buy him a drink if he kept it civil. I offered to do so for Atlanta Cock the other day and he called me stupid before that lol.

But you are entitled to your opinion
 
I don't HATE anyone. Heck I have friends on both sides, I am a conservative with a libertarian streak. If you see chatroom arguing as hate then that is your opinion. But heck I don't even know this guy I arguing with but it did piss me off when he said he hopes my children and their children suffered from policies I support. But if he had I business believe it or not I would go in. Heck I would even off to buy him a drink if he kept it civil. I offered to do so for Atlanta Cock the other day and he called me stupid before that lol.

But you are entitled to your opinion

There you go with the lies. You cannot try to take Trump out and put in crazy Joe and be conservative. There is nothing rational about that. There is nothing conservative about that... You have a real problem! You say one thing the do a 180 with what you believe... As I have said, just admit what you are and I will ignore you and never say a word to you again... The lying trying to influence people with lies is just too much.

Yes,,, the politics you support will cause the ruination of the country if it wins. And yes I whole heartedly hope that people like you that are trying to help bring this country down and their families suffer more than good American conservatives that care about this country... YOUR TDS has caused you to loose all perspective on what is right and wrong. He must have taken a woman from you.. Yes,,, i hope you and your family suffer more along with the families of those that agree with you if you and your commie buddies succeed in putting crazy joe and the dims in charge.

Cam You please explain how in the world you think having the dims like pelosi schumer et al in charge with no one in the white house to battle them can be good... Can you please explain how you can vote for a man that in the last 2 days has said, "foreign workers built this country not Americans", "I will repeal all Trump tax cuts and raise taxes", " I will bring in at least 125k refugees annually", "corporations don't hire because they are making more money due to tax cuts", and is an open borders, abortion, blm, reparation's supporter is good for America??? Don't spew some crap about you ain't voting for crazy joe, any vote for anyone other than Trump is a vote for crazy little girl sniffing joe.

Can you please enlighten us with your thoughts on hunter, crazy joe, and china? I'll bet you'll say nothing to see here because the NYT said so... LOL There you go commie. explain this to us uninformed types.
 
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If you EVER post one reply without your low-level low iq 2nd grade childish name calling I will be more than happy to have that discussion. Saying something is dumb or stupid vs saying the list of name calling which is all you have. I can sit here and call names all day long, its funny to me.
Like I have told you, I have positions discussed in many threads on here. Hoffman, who is one of the best here at calmly showing and listing articulate positions with comebacks has had several exchanges with me trying to show trumps greatness(NOT).
Monday night we exchanged thought on the USMCA agreement which he like trump says is great but experts on both sides say it is the same as NAFTA with very little difference.
So feel free to jump in at any point with real points and no insults if that is humanly possible for you. You think a position is dumb so what say so but just because a republican sees more harm than good from trump all guys like you can do is say you are a commie or a dim, yet trump like Obama is using the free printing press of the fed to keep the economy afloat and now the fed is having to buy CORPORATE bonds to help(now that is scary)

And yes I firmly believe one of three things has happened on bounty gate and listed backing for all of that above:
so Trump either had a brief which some say was written and he didn't read it
Some say he was told about it and of course he denies it
or l his only defense in my mind is IF he wasn't told then somebody in my mind is not only guilty of insubordination and that person should be fired and we all know how trump loves to fire people who 6 months ago he hired saying they were great. He is the worst hiring/appointing president since Harding.

So jump in and discuss big guy

The sec of defense just today said Trump was not briefed. Of course you will say he is just covering because that proves you are wrong. Bolton is absolutely telling the truth because he is anti Trump,, never mind that he will make millions from his little book that all you TDS sufferers will scarf up. Nothing in it for him right.

Its just so easy to call you names,,, You are the 2nd most arrogant poster on here, with your moral pedestal and belief that you are the only one capable of seeing the truth, when it is blatantly obvious all your "positions" and determinations of truth are solely based on if it is pro trump or anti trump.. ALL your stances are anti Trump no matter what the alternative is... Did he take your wife or your mistress? It just has to be one.
 
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OH and I don't hate you, but i deplore, hate, and vomit at the thought of what you stand for which is neither conservative or libertarian. Your anti Trump views will help elect a dim which is big gov, tax tax tax, bureaucracy, regulations, baby killing and so on and so forth. How a supposed "thinker" like you does not understand that is beyond reason.
 
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There you go with the lies. , i hope you and your family suffer more along with the families of those that agree with you if you and your commie buddies succeed in putting crazy joe and the dims in charge.

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Geez man stop with the lies crap. Trump is economically doing the same thing Obama did. A free\ for all printing press and artificially low interest rates which trump would like to see go to negative rates.

I have stated several times that I am not voting for Trump or Biden and don't give me the a nonvote for trump is a vote for Biden because the Biden people say the same thing. Last election I went libertarian.

With Hunter/joe, trump should have handled it the proper way and not do the political bribery that he did as it looks like nothing but that a BRIBE to the Ukrainian government. I would have done something along the lines of having my AG investigate it and bring the charges through the proper channels.

As far as you wishing ill on my family. KARMA IS A BITCH. Have a nice life.
 
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Geez man stop with the lies crap. Trump is economically doing the same thing Obama did. A free\ for all printing press and artificially low interest rates which trump would like to see go to negative rates.



I have stated several times that I am not voting for Trump or Biden and don't give me the a nonvote for trump is a vote for Biden because the Biden people say the same thing. Last election I went libertarian.

With Hunter/joe, trump should have handled it the proper way and not do the political bribery that he did as it looks like nothing but that a BRIBE to the Ukrainian government. I would have done something along the lines of having my AG investigate it and bring the charges through the proper channels.

As far as you wishing ill on my family. KARMA IS A BITCH. Have a nice life.

You are the one bringing it on your family with your tds,,,Not me. I say nothing about you and your family if good wins. If you and your stance prevail and allow crazy joe in, you and yours deserve what happens. If we are able to fight off folks like you then, enjoy the freedoms and prosperity.

BTW how many times did the fed raise rates under O,,, how many times under Trump? You have lost it. The deep state bureaucracy does not investigate if your name is not Trump. The hillary crap she was allowed to get away with was nothing short of treason, but i suppose you agree with the nyt on that stuff to... nothing to see here,,, what difference does it make now right??

I do not like the spending going on,,, however, the pres has little to do with that,,, the weak kneed lets get along and get elected again next go round rhinos and the socialist dims in congress are more responsible for that.
 
You are sooooooo dumb... LOL where did I say i agreed with you... If you had any intelligence, you would see where I plainly said, it matters not what you say about me, because those that count know better.. LOL but I should have known you would miss that.. You miss everything else. It's rich you calling someone a sheep.. You think you are being "super intelligent" more intelligent than the rest because you can repeat every dimwit, commie talking point ever... You are not an original thinker. You can't even dis someone without copying what has been said about you>>> lol you are one more arrogant sob... you need to meet stephan so you 2 can try to decide which one is the smartest. You will argue for years. You both think very highly of yourselves...

Why don't you try a rational thought on me.. lets see you say Trump was briefed... well rationally we know Trump loves America and puts America first. So does it make sense that he would just allow that to go without a word? NO,,,, but you on the other hand, irrationally think that Trump is a russian mole bassed on all the crap the dims have tried to pull and say... more and more is coming out showing just how crooked the whole thing was. yet you,,, with your supposed rational superior intellect still believe the Russia hoax, and oh yeah,,, anything else the dims say about Trump... So I ask you, who is using rational thought and who is a sheep dim wit commie marxist scum?

I also don't think that i am your comic relief, I know it bugs heck out of you that I will stand up to your lies, and your wolf in sheeps clothing act,,, claiming to be unbiased and a "thinker" LOL<,, talk about comic relief... Sorry commie,,, I won't just sit by and watch people like you try to destroy the country from within.. You rob reiner mikey moore, sean penn looking commie rat. I am so happy my education is superior to yours so i can read through the propaganda and determine truth from fiction unlike you. I don't suffer for TDS nor do i think i am the most intelligent human walking like you believe about you... I hope and pray you didn't attend UGA or at least did not get a degree from there.. Brings down our standing if you did.... I bet you went to athens tech didn't you? Are you on welfare and believe other tax payers should support your commie back side? LOL

Come on mr red... lets have a rational discussion,, tell us about the dim party and how it is morally superior... Clean as the driven snow... Kennedy didn't have affairs in the white house. Johnson didn't have affairs in the white house, Carter was just stupid like you, clinton didn't do an intern in the oval office and odufus didn't sleep with a tranny in the white house. Now remind me of all the immoral things trump has done... YOU are a hypocrite. Most pols are worthless, I don't vote for a party, I vote for the person that will cut taxes, protect America, protect our borders, defend the unborn. If I was waiting for someone with good morals to run for pres. I wouldn't even vote. HEY didn't you guys tell us that slick willy's oval office stunts was a personal matter and shouldn't affect him politically.. Hypocrite. Thats all you are. A self righteous hypocrirte. I didn't vote for Trump because he was a bastion of virtue, but compared to your party's nominee, he looked like St. Peter. Its a laughing joke for you to stand on you pedestal and rake Trumps morals over the coals when voting other wise was a vote for a murdering Clinton... Go ahead big fella,,, defend that rational thought of yours... As I said before its people like you that will be the downfall of America. I stand by that.

Go ahead, vote for the likes of crazy joe, pelosi schumer,,,etc. See what it gets you fool.
Fool alert above
 
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Another btw for you mr. tds.... Why won't you answer any of the ? about those you help put in office? Tell me how wonderful things will be if crazy joe gets elected especially if he chooses one of the radical leftist females he is considering for vp???
I asked you some specific questions but i guess those are inconvenient for you... like why you choose to believe bolton over the sec of defense? etc etc etc..

oh, and as i said,, if your not for us your against us. so there you go.. Im going to have to go back and look, because i honestly don't remember but seems to me the person you voted for if you did as you said, had some pretty far out views. I will comment on that later...
 
Geez man stop with the lies crap. Trump is economically doing the same thing Obama did. A free\ for all printing press and artificially low interest rates which trump would like to see go to negative rates.

I have stated several times that I am not voting for Trump or Biden and don't give me the a nonvote for trump is a vote for Biden because the Biden people say the same thing. Last election I went libertarian.

With Hunter/joe, trump should have handled it the proper way and not do the political bribery that he did as it looks like nothing but that a BRIBE to the Ukrainian government. I would have done something along the lines of having my AG investigate it and bring the charges through the proper channels.

As far as you wishing ill on my family. KARMA IS A BITCH. Have a nice life.

Took about 2 seconds mr morality.. Your vote went to a guy that is a "social liberal" that is a quote from him.. meaning baby killer and gay marriage supporter, neither of which are moral. Would his libertarian views make him say killing any human is ok? or just the unborn because they can't vote?? That is a sell out to say its and individuals choice... if it is an individuals choice to kill an innocent baby then it is just as much a choice for a serial killer to kill grown ups and should be a ok with that party. Seems very weak to not be able to stand up for the unborn human babies being killed every single day. And IMMORAL> I did like the part about individuals being held responsible for their decisions... seems like what I have been saying about you.. LOL
 
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