Of course that's an option, I suppose. I guess I didn't go to the "Assume the cops are lying first and figure out the facts later" school.Well the good news is we know cops never make false statements about an arrest....
Of course that's an option, I suppose. I guess I didn't go to the "Assume the cops are lying first and figure out the facts later" school.Well the good news is we know cops never make false statements about an arrest....
Come on man, if someone drug you....you are not getting up and settling that as reasonable adults. Cops are people not freaking robots. Anyone would be pissed in that moment.I would talk to the person and do my best to resolve the situation without making an arrest like an adult as opposed to what Officer Dipshit did
Because the officer is an idiot. Call a spade a spade.The fact that you can't manage to engage in this conversation without making derogatory comments about the officer is telling.
Scottie shouldn't have been arrested. But Scottie also should have stopped when the cop told him to. And if the cop tried to stop him and Scottie kept driving (creating a dangerous situation for the cop), then he was at the mercy of the officers.
Yep, and rich guys never have an attitude that the law doesn't apply to them.Well the good news is we know cops never make false statements about an arrest....
Of course that's an option, I suppose. I guess I didn't go to the "Assume the cops are lying first and figure out the facts later" school.
Felony assault. Good grief.A TON of assumptions being made in this thread by the popo haters.
It doesn't matter if the guy was driving the f'ing Pope-mobile. If circumstances at the scene of the accident required all traffic--not just non-PGA tour player traffic--to stop (i.e., so that a body could be removed or so that a crime scene could be preserved if there was potential involuntary manslaughter), you have to obey an officer's orders. And if the circumstance surrounding the exchange between them was along those lines--where the officers were in the midst of something that required the scene to remain static--and ANYONE is not obeying orders to stop, that's absolutely a crime that could justify an on-spot arrest. Especially if he came close to hitting the officer with his vehicle after being told to remain stopped.
Again, I have no idea if those were the circumstances, or if it really was a cop on a power trip. But jumping to assumptions of "bad policing" or the officer not being a "reasonable human" says more about a problem you generally have with policemen than the actual situation here. An arrest could very well have been warranted if the guy disobeyed a reasonable police order at a potential crime scene and threatened the officer's physical safety in the process.
He told Scottie to stop and Scottie didn't. He tried to make him stop and he was drug 10-20 yards before Scottie stopped. The office got Scottie out of the car and put handcuffs on him. The video shows multiple officers arresting Scottie. You are assuming whatever other facts you want to make your case.Because the officer is an idiot. Call a spade a spade.
Yep, and rich guys never have an attitude that the law doesn't apply to them.
What conclusion have I jumped to? All I've said is Scottie shouldn't have been arrested and that he should have obeyed the cop.Watching all of you use your jump to conclusions mats this morning has been entertaining
What conclusion have I jumped to? All I've said is Scottie shouldn't have been arrested and that he should have obeyed the cop.
How is that jumping to conclusions? Oh wait, it's not.
OKYou just mentioned two conclusions you've already reached haha
sounds like the reporter was right behind Scottie. So more than one was going the wrong way it seems. Seems like a chaotic scene that wasn't handled very well by multiple individuals.That was how I interpreted the affidavit as well…that he drove into the oncoming lanes of traffic where outbound traffic was flowing…and then disregarded the detective trying to stop him and he was knocked to the ground by the vehicle. Scheffler may have not been paying attention or was confused by flashing lights, dark, rain, etc. and trying to figure out where to go.
Or the detective was waiting for Scottie’s specific vehicle to arrive at the course so he could dive in front of it and haul him off the jail. It really could go either way.
The scene was so chaotic and the need to maintain order was so high that they had enough officers to stop everything they were doing to get together and arrest a golfer going into a tournament and send him downtown to be booked.A TON of assumptions being made in this thread by the popo haters.
It doesn't matter if the guy was driving the f'ing Pope-mobile. If circumstances at the scene of the accident required all traffic--not just non-PGA tour player traffic--to stop (i.e., so that a body could be removed or so that a crime scene could be preserved if there was potential involuntary manslaughter), you have to obey an officer's orders. And if the circumstance surrounding the exchange between them was along those lines--where the officers were in the midst of something that required the scene to remain static--and ANYONE is not obeying orders to stop, that's absolutely a crime that could justify an on-spot arrest. Especially if he came close to hitting the officer with his vehicle after being told to remain stopped.
Again, I have no idea if those were the circumstances, or if it really was a cop on a power trip. But jumping to assumptions of "bad policing" or the officer not being a "reasonable human" says more about a problem you generally have with policemen than the actual situation here. An arrest could very well have been warranted if the guy disobeyed a reasonable police order at a potential crime scene and threatened the officer's physical safety in the process.
That last part is why this nonsense happens. It's an egregious use of discretion, and they have too much of it.The fact that you can't manage to engage in this conversation without making derogatory comments about the officer is telling.
Scottie shouldn't have been arrested. But Scottie also should have stopped when the cop told him to. And if the cop tried to stop him and Scottie kept driving (creating a dangerous situation for the cop), then he was at the mercy of the officers.
To be clear he should be given the benefit of the doubt. Just never seen the vent do so.Of course the vent has a lack of common sense. What about this guy would tell you he's likely to intentionally be a dick to police officers?
I think for me it's easy to see both sides of this. The police have a tough job - especially at a big event in the dark with bad weather and a fatal accident having occurred. Scotty is likely confused as to what's going on given the factors above and likely did what he thought was the right thing. I could easily see him (or myself or any of y'all) accidentally hitting the gas instead of the brakes when a cop "attaches" himself to the car for whatever reason. I am sure this will all get washed out as they both likely did what they thought was right and both sides probably could have handled it better. It sure would have been fun to see this board had it been Patrick Reed being arrested instead of Scottie. I can't stand Reed and for sure would have taken the cops side in that instance.Of course. People reaching conclusions in the immediate aftermath of something are generally not accurate, but some folks have are convinced they know what happened already. It has been an entertaining thread for sure
If true, hope Scotty sues the hell out of them.......Jeff Darlington posted that the police officer attempted to attach himself to Scottie’s car and when that happened he stopped the car and got out. The officer then proceeded to scream at him, shoved him against the car, and immediately cuffed him and put him in the back of a cruiser.
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The officer grabbed Scheffler's arm to pull him out of the vehicle, according to Darlington. The officer reached inside the vehicle to open the door, and once Scheffler was pulled out, he was pushed against the car and placed in handcuffs.
Darlington was standing at the entrance when Scheffler was detained. Darlington said Scheffler turned to him and asked, "Can you help?"
According to Darlington, an officer instructed him to back away.
"You need to get out of the way," the officer told Darlington. "There's nothing you can do. Scottie Scheffler is going to jail."
If the body cam footage supports it's a BAD look for the PD for sure especially if he was in a marked player courtesy car.
Hard to argue with the guy who has the whole thing figured out and all the things unknown to the rest of the world conveniently fall on the side of his pre-existing prejudices.The scene was so chaotic and the need to maintain order was so high that they had enough officers to stop everything they were doing to get together and arrest a golfer going into a tournament and send him downtown to be booked.
Yes, that's exactly what they need to be doing with the finite resources in a "chaotic" scene. You can call me a police hater (laughable), I could call you a bootlicker, none of it changes what is fairly obvious, which is that someone overreacted to an order not being obeyed, even though it may not have been intentional. Because some people don't like orders not being obeyed.
If this were a justified charge, it will be prosecuted accordingly. It won't be because it isn't. Defending clownish behavior encourages clownish behavior.
Yes, it's a preexisting prejudice of mine that most golfers going into a tournament aren't committing felony assault, so you got me.Hard to argue with the guy who has the whole thing figured out and all the things unknown to the rest of the world conveniently fall on the side of his pre-existing prejudices.
Dear lordUsed to like him but now he seems like an entitled punk.
I can't fathom them following through with it, but man what if they had shot him... His odds would of probably dropped to 10-1.Worst nightmare man. I'm not a Scottie fan but I really feel for him here. I can imagine he was thinking about his round and just assumed it was regular security. No way he was actually "trying to run over an officer" as it was said. I get that the police are doing their job and not faulting them at all. Just saying this appears to be a legit case of an unfortunate circumstance at the absolute worst possible time. Hopefully cooler heads will prevail once the dust settles. Surely they won't actually prosecute this.
I think that's probably because he's such a normal dude and a lot of people can relate to that.To be clear he should be given the benefit of the doubt. Just never seen the vent do so.
He didn’t even say anything to the officers or pull the “do you know who I am” card. WTF are you even talking about? Delusional.Used to like him but now he seems like an entitled punk.
Yes intentionally hitting a police officer is a felony. Did anyone really not know this?Felony assault. Good grief.
That’s just his terrible trollingHe didn’t even say anything to the officers or pull the “do you know who I am” card. WTF are you even talking about? Delusional.
If someone actually hit them, sureYes intentionally hitting a police officer is a felony. Did anyone really not know this?
Seems like he thought rules don’t apply to him. We need support police, not assault them. they have a very hard job.He didn’t even say anything to the officers or pull the “do you know who I am” card. WTF are you even talking about? Delusion
I’d say I’m disposed to believe both that an officer wouldn’t arrest without cause and a golfer wouldn’t assault an officer. One or both of those were violated. No idea which.Yes, it's a preexisting prejudice of mine that most golfers going into a tournament aren't committing felony assault, so you got me.
"Intentionally."Yes intentionally hitting a police officer is a felony. Did anyone really not know this?
Are you trolling? You’ve got to be trolling.Yes intentionally hitting a police officer is a felony. Did anyone really not know this?
Boy if you want to see a bunch of southern whites dudes start yelling “f@ck the police!!” in a hurry… arrest a famous golfer.Of course everyone wants to give the country club guy the benefit of the doubt.
Or the police officer intentionally “attached” himself to the car.Yes intentionally hitting a police officer is a felony. Did anyone really not know this?
I might just watch golf if behavior like this makes its way onto the course.This thread has become far more entertaining than anything I’ve ever watched during a PGA event.