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Well, I laughed - A shouting match, GATA DJT….

Trump, Zelenskyy fiery exchange….live TV!




Can you imagine a Kamala / Walz admin doing this negotiation? That exchange proves that it would have been more of the same. Billions of US dollars and a thousand lives a week.
 
Wow, Trump doesn't even try and hide his love for Vlad, and you guys think it is all great.

Russia even had a member of its state media in the Oval to get the good news back to the comrades at home.

What's next, North Korea invades the South, and Trump will go all in for the dictator.

Maybe not, North Korea is not blackmailing our President like Vlad.
 
Wow, Trump doesn't even try and hide his love for Vlad, and you guys think it is all great.

Russia even had a member of its state media in the Oval to get the good news back to the comrades at home.

What's next, North Korea invades the South, and Trump will go all in for the dictator.

Maybe not, North Korea is not blackmailing our President like Vlad.
Seems clear to me that Z wants nothing less than the status quo. And that isn’t realistic.
 
JAWAG, but thinks Zelenskyy doesn’t want peace. He may indeed have a “gravy train”

Time will tell.

He is being pushed by the Brits and the EU to torpedo any peace deal because they want the war to continue, IMO. Trump should close any remaining CIA base in Ukraine and recall any remaining personnel in Ukraine, pronto.
 
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Wow, Trump doesn't even try and hide his love for Vlad, and you guys think it is all great.

Russia even had a member of its state media in the Oval to get the good news back to the comrades at home.

What's next, North Korea invades the South, and Trump will go all in for the dictator.

Maybe not, North Korea is not blackmailing our President like Vlad.
Zelenskyy should have never opened his mouth, especially saying that US has problems (paraphrasing).

That’s when the things went sideways. I thought that was incredibly stupid to say it. He’s not in a position to make statements like that, especially live. If he wanted to say it, at least do so behind closed doors.

Also, he should have known Trump wouldn’t have walked away with a comment like that…and I can’t say that I blame him.
 
He is being pushed by the Brits and the EU to torpedo any peace deal because they want the war to continue, IMO. Trump should close any remaining CIA base in Ukraine and recall any remaining personnel in Ukraine, pronto.
Could be, who knows what goes on behind closed doors.
 
Wow, Trump doesn't even try and hide his love for Vlad, and you guys think it is all great.

Russia even had a member of its state media in the Oval to get the good news back to the comrades at home.

What's next, North Korea invades the South, and Trump will go all in for the dictator.

Maybe not, North Korea is not blackmailing our President like Vlad.
You should start a GoFundMe for Ukraine and give them your next paycheck.
 
My guess is that the war is now going to start costing us more than ever.

Of course, now we will be supplying tons of weapons to the Ruskies.
 
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I get it now, only the Orange Jesus is allowed to speak.

Thanks for clearing that up
Trump was very gracious at the start of the meeting, it was Zelenskyy that instigated the debate IN FRONT OF THE PRESS that sparked things. His issue were concerns about Putin honoring an agreement. That is a very valid question. He was going to have private meetings with Trump right after the press conference - but he did it in front of cameras, which was at best a very stupid move.
 
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Wow, Trump doesn't even try and hide his love for Vlad, and you guys think it is all great.

Russia even had a member of its state media in the Oval to get the good news back to the comrades at home.

What's next, North Korea invades the South, and Trump will go all in for the dictator.

Maybe not, North Korea is not blackmailing our President like Vlad.
Yeah Trump loves turning javelins loose on his pals
 
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A sad day for Democracy and a great one for tyrants.
Nobody would take me for a Trump fan. I don't care at all for his style but there are pieces of his platform that are way overdue. Making the EU fund their own security is one of those things. WWII ended almost 80 years ago. The Soviet Union collapsed. The EU has a population of 450M people and combined economic output of around $29T. Russia has 140M people and GNP of 6T. It's just a matter of making the EU wake up and fend for themselves. Why would we die for people that won't take their own defense seriously? I say this having seen it first hand a soldier when there was a wall with East Germans and Russians on the other side. Whatever threat Putin may be to his neighbors, he's shadow of what they were back in the 70's and 80's with conventional arms. His biggest stick is a lot of bluster about using nukes and he has a lot of those.

As far as the Ukraine goes, there are a lot of people that say support the Ukraine but I don't think you'll find many that would support putting US boots on the ground there. If NATO doesn't escalate with bodies, then it doesn't matter how many bombs and bullets we send them, Ukraine is going to lose a war of attrition and when it finally snaps, it will likely be a rout and the whole country will be gone. They simply don't have the bodies for this to go on continuously.

This isn't 1965
 
Guessing Zelenskyy should too, after that performance his own people may turn on him.
Doubtful. They’ll see right through orange Jesus and his second grade playground bullying and Bush league negotiating tactics. Believe me.
 
Trump was very gracious at the start of the meeting, it was Zelenskyy that instigated the debate IN FRONT OF THE PRESS that sparked things. His issue were concerns about Putin honoring an agreement. That is a very valid question. He was going to have private meetings with Trump right after the press conference - but he did it in front of cameras, which was at best a very stupid move.

Nobody would take me for a Trump fan. I don't care at all for his style but there are pieces of his platform that are way overdue. Making the EU fund their own security is one of those things. WWII ended almost 80 years ago. The Soviet Union collapsed. The EU has a population of 450M people and combined economic output of around $29T. Russia has 140M people and GNP of 6T. It's just a matter of making the EU wake up and fend for themselves. Why would we die for people that won't take their own defense seriously? I say this having seen it first hand a soldier when there was a wall with East Germans and Russians on the other side. Whatever threat Putin may be to his neighbors, he's shadow of what they were back in the 70's and 80's with conventional arms. His biggest stick is a lot of bluster about using nukes and he has a lot of those.

As far as the Ukraine goes, there are a lot of people that say support the Ukraine but I don't think you'll find many that would support putting US boots on the ground there. If NATO doesn't escalate with bodies, then it doesn't matter how many bombs and bullets we send them, Ukraine is going to lose a war of attrition and when it finally snaps, it will likely be a rout and the whole country will be gone. They simply don't have the bodies for this to go on continuously.

This isn't 1965
It sure aint.

I guess all the MAGAs are going to dance and drink a lot of vodka and say the bastards deserved it on the day Kiev falls to the North Korean and Russian soldiers.
 
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Doubtful. They’ll see right through orange Jesus and his second grade playground bullying and Bush league negotiating tactics. Believe me.
Your grasp on this situation is completely delusional. Ukraine needs the US. Ukraine knows it needs the US.

Zelensky screwed up. You can not like Trump, Vance, whatever - the reality is that you don't try to lecture to your hosts in the Oval Office IN FRONT OF THE PRESS. The point that sparked the fight was a valid one - how do you make Putin honor his word - totally valid point. You have that conversation 30 minutes later after the press are gone and your having lunch. You don't litigate that in front of the press.

It was dumb. Smart people in Ukraine knows it was dumb. Political rivals in Ukraine know it was dumb.

Zelensky has created a new domestic front against himself.
 
It sure aint.

I guess all the MAGAs are going to dance and drink a lot of vodka and say the bastards deserved on the day Kiev falls to the North Korean and Russian soldiers.
Thankfully I don't think it will come to that, because the Ukrainian people don't deserve it.

But Zelensky put his own ego ahead of his people today, and that is a tragedy for his nation.
 
It sure aint.

I guess all the MAGAs are going to dance and drink a lot of vodka and say the bastards deserved on the day Kiev falls to the North Korean and Russian soldiers.
That’s total bullshit. No one is celebrating Russia. Do you support us or others sending troops ? Do you support us sending long range weapons ? If not the only other answer is an immediate peace deal. Otherwise it only gets worse for Ukraine.
 
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