Should Christians Vote for Donald Trump?

[poorpreacher]

It’s an interesting discussion. This started with the suggestion (not by you) that one could not be a Christian and support abortion rights or the LGBTQ community. I disagree, and I believe there are passages within the Bible that support my position.

One could ask if a person could still be a Christian if they divorce, or work on the sabbath, or eat shellfish. The list of behaviors that the Bible absolutely bans but that are now accepted as perfectly acceptable for Christians is very long. Also, the actual intent of a number of passages within the Bible have been interpreted over the years and are subject to some debate.

For example, does the lesson of Sodom refer to consensual homosexual activity or to male rape? An argument can be made that it is the latter.

I wouldn’t presume to tell you or anyone else what it means to be a Christian and I questions others who use absolutisms to do the same.

It is interesting, but again some of your premise is incorrect.

Divorce is not strictly banned. There is a provision for adultery. Working on the Sabbath is not banned, if a sheep falls in apit. Eating shellfish isn't banned.....because what God has cleansed, we don't call common.


A tree is known by its fruit. Jesus specifically said "You will know them" . I may not go around screaming "You aren't a real Christian!!!" But a good tree produces good fruit, according to Christ.

 

[nice marmot]

You could say that, but you would have no proof whatsoever!
Biden has been shown doing this on camera!!!!!!!!!!!! What part of that do liberals not understand? Biden and his family are sick and disgusting human beings.

I don't want to credit this - but I will say that what is happening in that video you guys repeatedly post, in addition to being difficult to decipher and occurring in public - does not appear to me to be pedophilia.

It upset the girl and that matters - but constantly reposting it is a form of victimization as well.

 

[cherrydawg]

It’s an interesting discussion. This started with the suggestion (not by you) that one could not be a Christian and support abortion rights or the LGBTQ community. I disagree, and I believe there are passages within the Bible that support my position.

One could ask if a person could still be a Christian if they divorce, or work on the sabbath, or eat shellfish. The list of behaviors that the Bible absolutely bans but that are now accepted as perfectly acceptable for Christians is very long. Also, the actual intent of a number of passages within the Bible have been interpreted over the years and are subject to some debate.

For example, does the lesson of Sodom refer to consensual homosexual activity or to male rape? An argument can be made that it is the latter.

I wouldn’t presume to tell you or anyone else what it means to be a Christian and I questions others who use absolutisms to do the same.

1. Please fill us in on the passages that support abortion rights and the lgbtq community.
Murder is forbidden in both the old and new testament. Many verses you look them up. Murder is the killing of innocence.
Homosexuality, 1 Cor 6: 9-11, 1 Tim 1: 9-12 many more but just 1 is enough.

2. A person can be a Christian and be divorced, what the Bible prohibits is remarriage if the divorce was not for fornication. Luke 16: 18-19, Matt 5:331-32

3. The Bible is of no private interpretation. 2 Peter 120

4. SMH try actually reading the story of Sodom and get back to us.

5. ""The grass withers the flower fades but the word of God will stand forever" (the Bible)
John 17:17
John 12:48

Many things where required under the old law which are not required today. The old law was fulfilled and done away with in Acts 2

Yes many people and even many "religious" people do not practice what the Bible says, that does not make them correct. The Bible says that most people won't make heaven. Matt 7:13-14

I don't want to be in the majority. You shouldn't either. The Bible also says that not everyone that says Lord Lord will enter in, but rather those that "do the will" Matt 7:21-22, Matt 7:26-28

I suggest to you if Gods word is what will judge us, we are able to know what his word says John 17:17 and if we do the will found in His word we will be saved. If we ignore it and claim to be smarter than God we will be lost.

 

[cherrydawg]

I don't want to credit this - but I will say that what is happening in that video you guys repeatedly post, in addition to being difficult to decipher and occurring in public - does not appear to me to be pedophilia.

It upset the girl and that matters - but constantly reposting it is a form of victimization as well.

Oh yeah but we are supposed to believe an porn star and a woman that names her cat vagina and talks openly about her sexual exploits when it comes to trump... And btw,,, aren't you the guy that goes around to pussy hat protest trying show your solidarity with women? LOL as long as they are not an unborn baby or a little girl being molested by a dim I guess you are all about women. SMH

 

[nice marmot]

Oh yeah but we are supposed to believe an porn star and a woman that names her cat vagina and talks openly about her sexual exploits when it comes to trump...

I get that you don't.

As far as the rest is concerned:

I did not go to Washington for the Women's March in 2017, but I certainly support their efforts and I think the "me too" movement, while not without its excesses, was a net positive for America.

 

[Dawgfan1966]

no, but really, I could say that you are a pedophile and have as much evidence to back it up.

after all, you do seem obsessed.

I wouldn't do that though - of course - because I am not an insane person.

and I am sure women and children are always grateful IRL for your plainspoken respect for them and your gentleness of manner.

You could say that, but you would have no proof whatsoever!
Biden has been shown doing this on camera!!!!!!!!!!!! What part of that do liberals not understand? Biden and his family are sick and disgusting human beings.

 

[cherrydawg]

I get that you don't.

As far as the rest is concerned:

I did not go to Washington for the Women's March in 2017, but I certainly support their efforts and I think the "me too" movement, while not without its excesses, was a net positive for America.

I m not surprised you would think such. You are wrong about most everything, why ruin your track record of support for all things woke, vile, anti home and anti family.

Yes I certainly see you siding with a porn star, a degenerate and liars like Kavanaugh’s accuser over an innocent child.

 

[GADAWGinIraq]

While I’m hesitant to engage too deeply into a biblical debate with someone who goes by the name poorpreacher, I’ll offer up a thought.

I’m fully aware that the Bible was used to justify slavery, just as it was used to justify segregation. In fact, religion played a very significant role in both efforts. So help me understand how that supports an argument regarding what the Bible says about abortion or the LGTBQ population?

Thou shalt not murder is pretty clear.
Certain activities are an abomination to the Lord. We don't make the rules.

 

[Dawgfan1966]

Thou shalt not murder is pretty clear.
Certain activities are an abomination to the Lord. We don't make the rules.

People used the Bible to justify slavery, abortion, adultery, murder, you name it. God considers those sins and the people who misrepresented the Bible will face the wrath of God for their egregious actions! Christians are sinners , just as non Christians are. The act of being born again is to shed the ways of this world and walk with God in our daily lives. Our nation has probably surpassed the wickedness that Sodom displayed and was destroyed for.
God offers love and life everlasting in his presence, those who do not accept this free offer are doomed to an eternity in the absence of God. That means darkness, never ending pain and suffering in the presence of Satan. I think our nation is beyond saving. I hope not but the left seems to have won. Wickedness and evil rule the day.
I hope any here that do not believe in Jesus as their savior, may find him before it is too late.

 

[cherrydawg]

I posted some polls that placed Trump close to the worst President in history and I think that's basically right. I haven't studied every President and know some were bad, but I have seen Trump in action and agree. I responded to your comments about the polls and I get a brainless ha-ha from you. Fine, but I am certainly not going to respond to your ramblings on anything else. I do have some comments.

I don't have to prove what I am. I know what I believe in and am very comfortable with myself. I didn't say I was voting for a party, but I am definitely voting against Trump so call it whatever you want. Yes, I believe in abortion and we need a reasonable law. Six weeks like DeSantis is trying to get approved is ridiculous (still in the courts). There is a proposed amendment regarding abortion which is trying to get on the ballot, but the state is trying to keep it off. What's wrong with the public deciding?

Okay, so you are homophobic. That's your right but it doesn't give you the right to tell people what they can do. I have to laugh when you say "if someone wants to do this (homosexuality), fine, do it" Who are you kidding with that statement. Certainly not me. And then you get so carried away and sound like you are being accosted by them and they are grabbing your kids off the street and converting them to something. Just go live your life. And if they weren't so persecuted they wouldn't have to be out trying to fight for their rights.

You said my so called poll was not a poll of voter opinion. No one said they were (maybe go back and read instead of just ha-ha). The only poll of voter opinion is at the ballot box and that has nothing to do with ranking the Presidents.

In my response I don't think I said anything about hating Trump. I agreed he was a terrible President and what he had done since shows he is capable of acting irrationally. Coupled with his whole rhetoric regarding the elections and his responsibility for January 6th has made him not only unfit to be President again, but someone who cares about himself above the country and capable of doing further permanent harm to the country. Actually he has divided the country to such a degree it probably can't get worse, but certainly won't get better.

You also said "funny how you all get the vapors about Trumps morals..." I definitely didn't say anything about that in my last response. It's not relevant to the polls so I didn't bring that up. But you just have to say something about Biden when it's not relevant to the discussion. You just can't help yourself and you are certainly not the only one who has that problem.

You don't have to agree with me, but I guess it's wishful thinking that you could actually respond to my post with correct information and not just say whatever you want.

Celtic Celtic Celtic. You are impossible to talk to. You just ramble on repeating things that are not true, over and over like you think that makes it true. No I don't have to and will never agree with you on many of the things you say because they are just plain stupid in some cases, just plain untruths in others, anti America in others, and Anti-God in others. Let me try to briefly show you just how non-sensical your post is.

1. You did not post poll's plural. You posted a ranking by cbs news, a far left news organization. You posted 1 poll of "historians" most likely college professors, and we all know what that means. Far left propagandist that can't call a man a man or a woman a woman because they believe a man can be a woman and vice versa. If that's the kind of folks you depend on for you opinions, well just bless you, you need help. 2nd they didn't really discuss the state of the country or his polices. They discussed his "behavior".... fine an dandy. We know you don't want to discuss policy because it doesn't fit your agenda of trump hatred and you can't defend joey's polices.

2. I have no idea what you are talking about "proving what you are" you do that every time you post. I don't think I said anything about you proving yourself. When you say you are for abortion you approve of killing innocent babies. Im sure you want like being told that but it is what it is. Need abortion? SMH You whole premise is that it is just a choice. The very same people that are all in for abortion, will send someone to jail for life if they kill a baby that the mother "wanted". for murder. Its the same baby. It is innocent. Scripture is perfectly clear that murdering innocent people is sin and wrong. Your argument is with God. Good luck.

3. Nope not homophobic. Again you argument is with God. I posted verses in a post to your fellow atheist/agnostic will. Go look at that post and also ad Romans 1. Homosexuality is an abomination before the Lord and the Bible clearly says that homosexuals will not inherit eternal life. Good luck arguing with God. You next statement about my saying if homosexuals want to practice homosexuality, should do it in private is not what I think. LOL,,, you are not quiet the know it all you believe yourself to be. If you would get your head out of the sand you would see that the federal gov and dims are trying to push that agenda into the main stream. You may agree with that, but that just puts you at odds with God, and with traditional American values. My point is, people are going to do what they want to do, I don't think homosexuals should be put in jail, or be made to wear a scarlet A or any such thing. No more than a liar should have to wear a big scarlet L etc etc. But What I believe is that the forcing of gay porn into school libraires, having trans males in locker rooms with females, claiming that this behavior is normal and trying to main stream it is wrong. What 2 people do is their business as long as they don't make it my business. If you don't think the lgbt community and the fed govt are trying to push their way into the main stream and influence young children, then you sir are blind, deaf and totally uninformed about what is happening around you.

4. You called an opinion piece by a far left wing news org. a poll. Keep on saying it. Keep on being wrong. I don't give a flying flip about what editors of cbs news, the nyt the wp, the atlantic think. Its just what they think and they are America hating commies.

5. Fine if you think Trump was a bad president. Policy wise he was not. The guy in office now if horrendous in every way including policy. That is my point. You Trump haters, and you are a trump hater, weather you said it in this post or not. You have proven that. My point is, all the leftist and you whatever you are, pile on trump for things he says and does, when biden is in my opinion more evil because he does terrible things to children, promotes killing babies, lies worse than trump.... the washington post never gave up tracking trumps lies but they did your boy joe. (That article has been posted more than once) Look it up if you don't believe me. Trump has faults, but they are not as serious as bidens. Given the choice of the 2 my vote will go to trump. AT least he doesn't murder babies and tweak little girls nipples and he is not on the take to China. Taxes were less. and Trump tried to build a wall. Biden tore it down.

6. Bringing up biden is absolutely relevant. You like to throw mud then have people not challenge you in anyway. You use weak very biased souces to make a point about one candidate, and again the opinion pieces didn't say a word about his policies or the state of the country, but thats not a concern to you. You just wanted to post something about trump being a bad man. It is very fair to point out that the other guy (no third party is going to win and you know it, there are only 2 real choices). What you want is people just to take what you say and move along without pointing out the fallacies, and the fact that the other choice is worse. You don't really take rebuttal well at all. You want people to start a new post to disagree with you ... SMH grow up.

I won't agree with you. I believe in God and his word. We will be judged by it. When I was young and stupid, I used to think I knew more than God about some things. What I know now is, the Bible says,

Gods word is truth
It says we can know the truth
It says we will all be judged by the word

My positions on abortion, homosexuality, etc. are based on the word. Check it out. Take it up with God if you disagree with his word. Good Luck.

PS if you don't like being disagreed with maybe don't post either that or grow a tougher skin.

PSS your friend will made a statement about the Bible not saying what it says, I asked him to provide scripture to back up his views. I make that offer to you. I truly want to do what is right in the sight of the Lord. You think abortion is "needed" and acceptable, you also must think homosexuality is not sin that separates one from God. If you can show me in scripture where abortion and homosexuality ( 2 primary platforms for the dim party) are not sin and are acceptable to God. I will gladly change and say I was wrong.

PSS if you are atheist/agnostic just say and we can end our discussion.

 

[Dawgfan1966]

Why is it that an entire list of activities that are strictly prohibited by the Bible (under punishment up to and including death) are now accepted by conservative Christians, but other things are not? Perhaps there is room for some interpretation while still believing in the teachings of Christ.

It seems to me that the Bible is perhaps unclear regarding the sanctity of unborn life.

“Ten biblical episodes and prophecies provide an unequivocal expression of God's attitude toward human life, especially the ontological status of "unborn children" and their pregnant mothers-to-be. Brief summaries:

• A pregnant woman who is injured and aborts the fetus warrants financial compensation only (to her husband), suggesting that the fetus is property, not a person (Exodus 21:22-25).

• The gruesome priestly purity test to which a wife accused of adultery must submit will cause her to abort the fetus if she is guilty, indicating that the fetus does not possess a right to life (Numbers 5:11-31).

• God enumerated his punishments for disobedience, including "cursed shall be the fruit of your womb" and "you will eat the fruit of your womb," directly contradicting sanctity-of-life claims (Deuteronomy 28:18,53).

• Elisha's prophecy for soon-to-be King Hazael said he would attack the Israelites, burn their cities, crush the heads of their babies and rip open their pregnant women (2 Kings 8:12).

• King Menahem of Israel destroyed Tiphsah (also called Tappuah) and the surrounding towns, killing all residents and ripping open pregnant women with the sword (2 Kings 15:16).

• Isaiah prophesied doom for Babylon, including the murder of unborn children: "They will have no pity on the fruit of the womb" (Isaiah 13:18).

• For worshiping idols, God declared that not one of his people would live, not a man, woman or child (not even babies in arms), again confuting assertions about the sanctity of life (Jeremiah 44:7-8).

• God will punish the Israelites by destroying their unborn children, who will die at birth, or perish in the womb, or never even be conceived (Hosea 9:10-16).

• For rebelling against God, Samaria's people will be killed, their babies will be dashed to death against the ground, and their pregnant women will be ripped open with a sword (Hosea 13:16).

• Jesus did not express any special concern for unborn children during the anticipated end times: "Woe to pregnant women and those who are nursing" (Matthew 24:19).”

You made an excellent point! Society has swung so far to the left many Christians have given in to the ways of the world! These are Christians that will not make it into the gates of heaven. We must keep our eye on God and not the constant idols we see to worship here on earth.
These could be celebrities, money, work, Sex, Adultery, lavish luxury items like cars, yachts, planes, etc.
We have lost the word of God in this nation and even the church in most areas is preaching a false gospel.
Satan has worked hard to insure this happens by corrupting God's house and spreading a false teaching of God's salvation. If you see Christians celebrating LBGT...., same sex marriage, money and the other items above, you will then know you are not witnessing a Christian walking with the Lord. I am a sinner and try every day to resist the evil of this world that pulls me away from God. I see this world daily mock God and the simple way of living as stupid, uneducated people that are living a fable or worse in the average Americans eyes.

 

[cherrydawg]

Will, Yes, in the old testament many things were different than the law we live under today. The old law and its rules where fulfilled/completed and done away with at the establishment of the Kingdom in Acts 2. Some of the things you reference where punishments dealt out by God for evil nations, that denied God and hurt his chosen people.. The Bible says we may not understand all God's ways, but we can know he is a just God, and what he does, although we may not understand it at this time, is just and righteous. Using punishments and sad situations, to try and justify murder of innocents is wrong will. Man is a free moral agent, given by God the ability to choose what we do. Some of what you quoted was not a command but a foretelling of what would happen.

I have to guide the next couple of days so I don't have time to go through them one by one right now, but will when I get opportunity next week.

You misread the NT scripture you listed. He was not pronouncing a woe upon "pregnant women and nursing mothers" rather it was a warning about the destruction of Jerusalem which the Roman empire did later and how tough it would be for them.

People have always and will forever misuse the Bible to their on desire. That does not make it incorrect. Those that truly want to know the truth can know the truth. Those that want to misuse it will be punished.

 

[kckd]

I keep reading Christians on the Dawgchat pronounce they “will never vote for Trump” or that they “will just stay home”. As a Christian it really concerns me. So much is at stake as is seems (like every election), but eventually staying home and not voting will mean the end of this country as we know it.

Trump is a crass, narcissistic, thin skinned rich New Yorker. I am sure there are plenty of other things to say about him but it appears he is our option. Who will he be running against? Biden? Harris? Newsome? The choice seems clear to me. 4 more years of Trump or 4 more years of Biden. Lets be honest, there are very few high character politicians to choose from and none are running for president. The last president I feel had good character was Reagan but even he had his flaws.

As a Christian it concerns me that so many will choose to stay home during such an important time in our country’s history. It got me thinking, what are some of the things Trump accomplished in his very 4 short years (keep in mind he was under attack before he ever entered office and was apposed every step of the way. Here are a few things he did that I can’t imagine where we would be had he not been president (None of these are on the economy or geopolitical):

1. Nominated 3 conservative Supreme Court Judges which led to overturning Roe. He did not get rid of abortion but gave the decision back to the states where it belongs. There is plenty more these 3 have done so far and they are all still young.
1. Trump appointed roughly 200 Federal judges. These judges have been right-leaning constitutional originalists who will be answering the calls to defend freedom, religious liberty, the value of life, and other imperative matters for decades to come. Again, the effects of these judges will be felt for decades.
2. According to the website for Congress, before the RNC in August, Trump had signed eight bills expressly targeting human trafficking into law.
a. One of these was to start DNA testing any adults bringing in minors. Results showed 20-30% of those tested were not related and likely traffickers. Biden removed this directive day 1 along with other programs that were working. The results? Over 100,000 children that came through our borders were release and we have no idea where they are.
3. Enacting an executive order on 'religious liberty' -Among other things, the order instructed the Department of Treasury and the IRS not to take adverse action against churches and 501(c)(3) nonprofits that speak out about moral and political issues in accordance with their faith.
4. Justice Department guidance on religious freedom -"The Free Exercise Clause protects not just the right to believe or the right to worship; it protects the right to perform or abstain from performing certain physical acts in accordance with one's beliefs."
5. Giving religious organizations exemptions to the Obamacare contraception mandate -Stopped the government from forcing churches and religious organizations for having to pay for contraception as part of help care.
6. Reversing Obama's transgender public school policy that pushed for schools to allow transgender students to use the bathroom of choice.
7. Reversing Obama order on federal contractors -Trump revoked an Obama executive order that prevented federal contracts from being awarded to businesses, faith-based companies and nonprofits that have hiring practices that critics say discriminate on the basis of sexual orientation and gender identity.
8. Jerusalem proclamation -U.S. would recognize Jerusalem as Israel's capital and that the U.S. Embassy would be moved there from Tel Aviv.
9. Trump’s 2016 victory prevented Hillary from becoming president. If you thought Obama was bad for religious liberties… (See #1 above on the SCOTUS)
10. “Policy outweighs character because policy outlasts character”. -Long after Trump’s administration, his character will be a talking point but his judicial appointees and legislative influence will last for decades. Long after Trump’s administration, there are other people who will remain in influential positions. Federal judges, for example, hold lifetime tenures. They are appointed – not elected. We don’t vote for them.
11. Trump won’t be doing any DEI hiring for his cabinet. He will be hiring the best at those positions. He will remove this from the military and get back to bringing in the best to protect our country.
12. You’re not voting simply for a person; you’re voting for his administration along with an agenda. (See above)

“silence in the face of evil is itself evil “

This is the problem. You consider one whole side of people evil. You consider it so much so, that you are totally in with using evil to fight what you think is evil. I remember a conservative Christian friend of mine telling me in 2020 that he was waiting to see who the Democrats had as he really didn't want to vote for Trump. He even said that if Biden won the primaries he'd consider Biden. Never Sanders, but maybe Biden. I just laughed. I told him that by the time he gets through listening to Hannity and watching Fox that he will be quite convinced that Biden is the most evil man we've ever had run for the Presidency. I was right. Totally in Trump's bag by November.

I'd consider voting Republican. I have in the past and I might again. But I'll never vote for Donald Trump.

It's rather funny. Back in in the late nineties, when Clinton was impeached, most Republicans were saying policy aside, you can't have a man with such low morals running the country. Now, morality is just gravy. "Yeah, I wish I had some, but these taters are still good." It's never been about morality for most on either side really.

 

[celticdawg]

Good morning Celtic,

I don't have a dog in this fight, but wanted to mention a few things.

For me, even if Trump ranked dead last in polls, I'd rather have him than Biden, or Harris, or Newsome. He's not my first choice, but in those scenarios, that's my vote.

You may say, "Anybody but Trump"
I say "Anybody (almost) but Biden"

Im as passionate about getting Biden out, as you are keeping Trump out.

It really points to a fundamental divide in the country. My point is, a lot of people dislike Biden as much as you dislike Trump...

Appreciate your post and understand your position. The problem I have is people showing no respect for people with opinions that don't agree with them. And then often attacking the poster. It's fine if they dislike Biden like they do.

As I have said before, neither one of them is qualified to be President and I hope something changes. And, yes, we have a fundamental divide in the country. I think Trump has done much disservice to our country and I don't need to repeat anything. I'm concerned what he might do if he becomes President again.

 

[mikul1]

I keep reading Christians on the Dawgchat pronounce they “will never vote for Trump” or that they “will just stay home”. As a Christian it really concerns me. So much is at stake as is seems (like every election), but eventually staying home and not voting will mean the end of this country as we know it.

Trump is a crass, narcissistic, thin skinned rich New Yorker. I am sure there are plenty of other things to say about him but it appears he is our option. Who will he be running against? Biden? Harris? Newsome? The choice seems clear to me. 4 more years of Trump or 4 more years of Biden. Lets be honest, there are very few high character politicians to choose from and none are running for president. The last president I feel had good character was Reagan but even he had his flaws.

As a Christian it concerns me that so many will choose to stay home during such an important time in our country’s history. It got me thinking, what are some of the things Trump accomplished in his very 4 short years (keep in mind he was under attack before he ever entered office and was apposed every step of the way. Here are a few things he did that I can’t imagine where we would be had he not been president (None of these are on the economy or geopolitical):

1. Nominated 3 conservative Supreme Court Judges which led to overturning Roe. He did not get rid of abortion but gave the decision back to the states where it belongs. There is plenty more these 3 have done so far and they are all still young.
1. Trump appointed roughly 200 Federal judges. These judges have been right-leaning constitutional originalists who will be answering the calls to defend freedom, religious liberty, the value of life, and other imperative matters for decades to come. Again, the effects of these judges will be felt for decades.
2. According to the website for Congress, before the RNC in August, Trump had signed eight bills expressly targeting human trafficking into law.
a. One of these was to start DNA testing any adults bringing in minors. Results showed 20-30% of those tested were not related and likely traffickers. Biden removed this directive day 1 along with other programs that were working. The results? Over 100,000 children that came through our borders were release and we have no idea where they are.
3. Enacting an executive order on 'religious liberty' -Among other things, the order instructed the Department of Treasury and the IRS not to take adverse action against churches and 501(c)(3) nonprofits that speak out about moral and political issues in accordance with their faith.
4. Justice Department guidance on religious freedom -"The Free Exercise Clause protects not just the right to believe or the right to worship; it protects the right to perform or abstain from performing certain physical acts in accordance with one's beliefs."
5. Giving religious organizations exemptions to the Obamacare contraception mandate -Stopped the government from forcing churches and religious organizations for having to pay for contraception as part of help care.
6. Reversing Obama's transgender public school policy that pushed for schools to allow transgender students to use the bathroom of choice.
7. Reversing Obama order on federal contractors -Trump revoked an Obama executive order that prevented federal contracts from being awarded to businesses, faith-based companies and nonprofits that have hiring practices that critics say discriminate on the basis of sexual orientation and gender identity.
8. Jerusalem proclamation -U.S. would recognize Jerusalem as Israel's capital and that the U.S. Embassy would be moved there from Tel Aviv.
9. Trump’s 2016 victory prevented Hillary from becoming president. If you thought Obama was bad for religious liberties… (See #1 above on the SCOTUS)
10. “Policy outweighs character because policy outlasts character”. -Long after Trump’s administration, his character will be a talking point but his judicial appointees and legislative influence will last for decades. Long after Trump’s administration, there are other people who will remain in influential positions. Federal judges, for example, hold lifetime tenures. They are appointed – not elected. We don’t vote for them.
11. Trump won’t be doing any DEI hiring for his cabinet. He will be hiring the best at those positions. He will remove this from the military and get back to bringing in the best to protect our country.
12. You’re not voting simply for a person; you’re voting for his administration along with an agenda. (See above)

“silence in the face of evil is itself evil “

Those are not real people telling you this, it is part of the disinformation side of the communist party that is taking over the Democratic Party.

 

[mikul1]

There is nothing even remotely Christian about Trump other than that he sees you as stooges he can exploit and uses you like all the televangelists that came before him. Christians are the pawns in Trump’s plan. He exploits you and you love him for it. To think that you can reconcile Trump and Jesus as two people you believe in makes me glad to not believe in either.

No you should continue to support gender change in minors without parental knowledge, that makes a lot of since. Glad we now know what you don’t believe in. I pray you don’t have children.

 

[Pine_Tree1]

Trump is not a moral just person but I believe he is more aligned with keeping America's values than any other possible option and most in congress. I am not voting for the person but his message and direction

 

[nice marmot]

No you should continue to support gender change in minors without parental knowledge, that makes a lot of since. Glad we now know what you don’t believe in. I pray you don’t have children.

it's been a long time since the world has made a lot of sense.

 

[kckd]

Appreciate your post and understand your position. The problem I have is people showing no respect for people with opinions that don't agree with them. And then often attacking the poster. It's fine if they dislike Biden like they do.

As I have said before, neither one of them is qualified to be President and I hope something changes. And, yes, we have a fundamental divide in the country. I think Trump has done much disservice to our country and I don't need to repeat anything. I'm concerned what he might do if he becomes President again.

^This.^ If those people had been able to get a hold of Pence, Pelosi, Kinzinger, Schumer, etc. on Jan. 6th, things could've gotten very ugly.

If Pence had went along with Trump, things would've been changed forever.

If the AZ and Georgia Republicans would've just done as they were told, things would've been changed forever.

We have laws. We have courts. We have ways of protecting our government against those who would want to hold power by illegal means. Trump did not present any evidence to show the courts the election was illegitimate.
Trump could not get the Republican state authorities who are in charge of elections to do his bidding over what was right.
We have never seen any POTUS voted out of office work so hard to retain his position.

There is a reason that when Washington gave up leadership after serving two terms as President of the United States that it is described as a miracle. For nearly two and a half centuries since we have depended on it. We've even had one guy who had a much closer loss and somewhat questionable loss not fight it tooth and nail because he realized the damage it could do to the country.

This shepherd went ahead and told his sheep that if he lost then the election was stolen months before we voted. Then claimed victory before the election was even close to being called.

Never conceded the loss. Instead worked on trying to find as many conspiracy theories as possible to explain why he lost. Made up a bunch of crap, including that a certain company's voting machines caused it in places where those voting machines weren't even used.

Claimed two women were intentionally not counting or changing votes to favor Biden without any evidence whatsoever. Called them by name and made them hated by the public in the areas they lived.

Called election officials in two Republican states that went Biden and asked them to "find votes" or say that something was not right with the vote and "let me (Trump) handle the rest".

Battled in court in several states and lost (in some cases with conservative judges that he had appointed).

And finally invited a group of people to show up on Jan. 6th. Told them the election was stolen. Told them to go to the Capitol and protest the certification of the election and try to stop it. Then went to the White House and watched them illegally enter the Capitol building on TV for hours without doing one thing to stop it.

And yet, this is the guy the GOP runs......again.

Nothing I said above is false. Not one thing. And there is so much more from people he hired to work for him that can be said. Lifelong Republicans giving details of his private conversations that would cause conservative blood vessels to explode instantly if it were uttered by a Democrat.

And none of it has anything to do with conservative policies. None of it.

And BTW, just watched Coulter say he didn't do his number one promise. According to Coulter, when Trump left office he had built 50 miles of a wall he promised to cover a nearly 2000 mile long border.

 

[kckd]

Trump is not a moral just person but I believe he is more aligned with keeping America's values than any other possible option and most in congress. I am not voting for the person but his message and direction

Except for the values of accepting election results and abiding by the Constitution.

Of course, many will say "He left office". Yes, but that's like you getting in an argument with your neighbor. You ask him to leave. He throws your furniture around, breaks a few windows, holds a knife to your throat and then just as he finds out your wife has called the police, leaves the house.

And then his lawyer says in his defense, "He was asked to leave and he did leave."

 

[cherrydawg]

Except for the values of accepting election results and abiding by the Constitution.

Of course, many will say "He left office". Yes, but that's like you getting in an argument with your neighbor. You ask him to leave. He throws your furniture around, breaks a few windows, holds a knife to your throat and then just as he finds out your wife has called the police, leaves the house.

And then his lawyer says in his defense, "He was asked to leave and he did leave."

Ummmm, need the source you used for this post on trump breaking furniture.

Democrats indicate they may not certify Trump election if he wins: Report

Multiple House Democrats have indicated that they might not certify the results of the 2024 election if former President Donald Trump wins.

americanmilitarynews.com

MSN

MSN

So what are you so called "defenders of democracy" going to say if this happens. Your party already denied the 2016 election and spent the 4 yrs trump was in office trying to throw him out, and not legally. Nothing about the whole russia hoax was legal... Just be glad your party is the one with all the life long sorry so called government servants of the people.....LMBO, covering for all the illegalities of that whole mess. HILLARY bought and paid for a lie, and the govt., media and dims used it to try and destroy a presidency which actually worked out well considering all the bull skate dims pulled.

But you tds folks go on with your bad selves and keep the dims in power. You and your children deserve everything it brings down on America. Open borders, crime out of control, destruction of home and family. It will be fault of your and other's like you.

 

[Bells76]

He’s as evil a person that walks the face of this earth. I am not sure about the wisdom of mixing politics and religion, but if you do believe they are interwound then you can’t vote for Trump. He is scum.

Thanks for sharing your opinion. Now report back if you ever have a fact to support it. Until then, you may as well Be talking about what you like to eat on a hamburger

 

[Athens is Heaven]

^This.^ If those people had been able to get a hold of Pence, Pelosi, Kinzinger, Schumer, etc. on Jan. 6th, things could've gotten very ugly.

If Pence had went along with Trump, things would've been changed forever.

If the AZ and Georgia Republicans would've just done as they were told, things would've been changed forever.

We have laws. We have courts. We have ways of protecting our government against those who would want to hold power by illegal means. Trump did not present any evidence to show the courts the election was illegitimate.
Trump could not get the Republican state authorities who are in charge of elections to do his bidding over what was right.
We have never seen any POTUS voted out of office work so hard to retain his position.

There is a reason that when Washington gave up leadership after serving two terms as President of the United States that it is described as a miracle. For nearly two and a half centuries since we have depended on it. We've even had one guy who had a much closer loss and somewhat questionable loss not fight it tooth and nail because he realized the damage it could do to the country.

This shepherd went ahead and told his sheep that if he lost then the election was stolen months before we voted. Then claimed victory before the election was even close to being called.

Never conceded the loss. Instead worked on trying to find as many conspiracy theories as possible to explain why he lost. Made up a bunch of crap, including that a certain company's voting machines caused it in places where those voting machines weren't even used.

Claimed two women were intentionally not counting or changing votes to favor Biden without any evidence whatsoever. Called them by name and made them hated by the public in the areas they lived.

Called election officials in two Republican states that went Biden and asked them to "find votes" or say that something was not right with the vote and "let me (Trump) handle the rest".

Battled in court in several states and lost (in some cases with conservative judges that he had appointed).

And finally invited a group of people to show up on Jan. 6th. Told them the election was stolen. Told them to go to the Capitol and protest the certification of the election and try to stop it. Then went to the White House and watched them illegally enter the Capitol building on TV for hours without doing one thing to stop it.

And yet, this is the guy the GOP runs......again.

Nothing I said above is false. Not one thing. And there is so much more from people he hired to work for him that can be said. Lifelong Republicans giving details of his private conversations that would cause conservative blood vessels to explode instantly if it were uttered by a Democrat.

And none of it has anything to do with conservative policies. None of it.

And BTW, just watched Coulter say he didn't do his number one promise. According to Coulter, when Trump left office he had built 50 miles of a wall he promised to cover a nearly 2000 mile long border.

Lying ass! Ha! Ha!

 

[poorpreacher]

I can't remember if I've weighed in on this thread. Forgive me. It's early.


Our choices, for all practical purposes are Biden or Trump. One of the 2 is going to be President.

Trump is bad
Biden is worse.

 

[kckd]

I can't remember if I've weighed in on this thread. Forgive me. It's early.


Our choices, for all practical purposes are Biden or Trump. One of the 2 is going to be President.

Trump is bad
Biden is worse.

The bad guy has already served once, voted out, has a gazillion trials going on and you still chose bad.

It is almost unheard of to have a sitting POTUS have to gain his party's nomination before running for a second term. While I personally would've welcomed a challenger to Biden, I understand why their side didn't do it just as I understand why the Republicans didn't run someone against Trump in 2000.

But geeze, you all chose him again.

 

[kckd]

Ummmm, need the source you used for this post on trump breaking furniture.

Democrats indicate they may not certify Trump election if he wins: Report

Multiple House Democrats have indicated that they might not certify the results of the 2024 election if former President Donald Trump wins.

americanmilitarynews.com

MSN

MSN

So what are you so called "defenders of democracy" going to say if this happens. Your party already denied the 2016 election and spent the 4 yrs trump was in office trying to throw him out, and not legally. Nothing about the whole russia hoax was legal... Just be glad your party is the one with all the life long sorry so called government servants of the people.....LMBO, covering for all the illegalities of that whole mess. HILLARY bought and paid for a lie, and the govt., media and dims used it to try and destroy a presidency which actually worked out well considering all the bull skate dims pulled.

But you tds folks go on with your bad selves and keep the dims in power. You and your children deserve everything it brings down on America. Open borders, crime out of control, destruction of home and family. It will be fault of your and other's like you.

Good grief, I had typed up a response without noticing who I was responding to. Carry on. No point.

 

[poorpreacher]

The bad guy has already served once, voted out, has a gazillion trials going on and you still chose bad.

It is almost unheard of to have a sitting POTUS have to gain his party's nomination before running for a second term. While I personally would've welcomed a challenger to Biden, I understand why their side didn't do it just as I understand why the Republicans didn't run someone against Trump in 2000.

But geeze, you all chose him again.

Yep. I'll choose bad over worse every time.

I'd rather have neither of them. But we are going to get one of them.

So it's Trump for me.

 

[kckd]

Yep. I'll choose bad over worse every time.

I'd rather have neither of them. But we are going to get one of them.

So it's Trump for me.

I've not heard you even once try to tell people on here to go with someone else. I'll admit, I may have missed it. I'm not on here every day like some. But you don't seem to have been that opposed to Trump once again being the Republican nominee.

 

[poorpreacher]

I've not heard you even once try to tell people on here to go with someone else. I'll admit, I may have missed it. I'm not on here every day like some. But you don't seem to have been that opposed to Trump once again being the Republican nominee.

You missed it.

But its been clear Trump would be the nominee, for several weeks. So I haven't posted much opposition, recently, because there was no point. Regardless, I'm not concerned with how my position appears to you. Believe what you want.


We had 4 years of Trump
Nearly 4 years of Biden

One of the two will be President.

I'll take Trump.

 

[Bells76]

Lying ass! Ha! Ha!

Nothing to show it was illegitimate? Lololol. There were Districts with > 140% voter turnout. Other “oddities” that had never occurred before and was mathematically impossible. Just because you dems have the ability to ignore facts and math, doesn’t mean it never happened

 

[kckd]

Nothing to show it was illegitimate? Lololol. There were Districts with > 140% voter turnout. Other “oddities” that had never occurred before and was mathematically impossible. Just because you dems have the ability to ignore facts and math, doesn’t mean it never happened

Then why weren't you in Washington on Jan. 6th and in the Capitol, you coward!!! Just sit and take it yellow belly. ;-)

 

[kckd]

You missed it.

But its been clear Trump would be the nominee, for several weeks. So I haven't posted much opposition, recently, because there was no point. Regardless, I'm not concerned with how my position appears to you. Believe what you want.


We had 4 years of Trump
Nearly 4 years of Biden

One of the two will be President.

I'll take Trump.

I could be wrong but I think I recall you saying that Trump was the only one who could beat Biden. There was nothing showing this.

 

[Bells76]

Then why weren't you in Washington on Jan. 6th and in the Capitol, you coward!!! Just sit and take it yellow belly. ;-)

There’s no way I’d be caught at an event like that. Just a setup and nothing ever really gets accomplished at these types of events. My friend from when I was in NC was there with a camera the whole time. He’s a reporter and was videoing which got picked up by a lot of media. Way too much govt at a place like that for me

 

[kckd]

There’s no way I’d be caught at an event like that. Just a setup and nothing ever really gets accomplished at these types of events. My friend from when I was in NC was there with a camera the whole time. He’s a reporter and was videoing which got picked up by a lot of media. Way too much govt at a place like that for me

So, you legitimately believe the election was stolen but you were more than willing to sit on your hands and fix things with.....(wait for it)....another election.

Got it.

 

[Bells76]

So, you legitimately believe the election was stolen but you were more than willing to sit on your hands and fix things with.....(wait for it)....another election.

Got it.

You bring up a good point but then ruin it with a dishonest contortion about our involvement in elections to hide the fact that some areas posted mathematically impossible results.

So you contend that I should have gone to the Jan 6 event and others like it. These events are traps and accomplish nothing. Our lives are short and finite and mostly inconsequential in this world. If there was something I could do to prevent ballot stuffing and voter fraud, I would be glad to take
part. It’s a relatively new development, at least at this level and I’m not stupid enough to attend a governmental and political trap like a Jan. 6 event.

The piece of evidence that voter fraud exists, and the one most ignored by dems are the instances where the total Number of votes counted exceeded the total number of registered voters.

Explain how that can happen in a system void of fraud please. You seem quite comfy with the results. Explain it to me somehow so that I may maintain a decent opinion of dems in this board. Give me some margin of error stats and back it with sound statistics so that I may understand this phenomenon that seems to break the laws of nature. I’m an educated man within the field of
Mathematics but I can’t justify this discrepancy.

Most of you guys will Just ignore it and post a haha reaction because it’s easier than making a case for vote legitimacy, all while opining about Russia skewing votes in 2016 without one piece of evidence. No facts, just raw emotion stemming from brainwashing of a biased media.

 

[kckd]

You bring up a good point but then ruin it with a dishonest contortion about our involvement in elections to hide the fact that some areas posted mathematically impossible results.

So you contend that I should have gone to the Jan 6 event and others like it. These events are traps and accomplish nothing. Our lives are short and finite and mostly inconsequential in this world. If there was something I could do to prevent ballot stuffing and voter fraud, I would be glad to take
part. It’s a relatively new development, at least at this level and I’m not stupid enough to attend a governmental and political trap like a Jan. 6 event.

The piece of evidence that voter fraud exists, and the one most ignored by dems are the instances where the total Number of votes counted exceeded the total number of registered voters.

Explain how that can happen in a system void of fraud please. You seem quite comfy with the results. Explain it to me somehow so that I may maintain a decent opinion of dems in this board. Give me some margin of error stats and back it with sound statistics so that I may understand this phenomenon that seems to break the laws of nature. I’m an educated man within the field of
Mathematics but I can’t justify this discrepancy.

Most of you guys will Just ignore it and post a haha reaction because it’s easier than making a case for vote legitimacy, all while opining about Russia skewing votes in 2016 without one piece of evidence. No facts, just raw emotion stemming from brainwashing of a biased media.

Link the areas you are talking about. I was sent this information before right after the election and then immediately checked and it was BS. Maybe your information is different now, but a friend of mine sent me such links and they were not true upon fact checking.

I'm saying that the majority of you are saying that we're illegally electing people to office. In this case we're doing at the highest office and your way of fixing it is to vote out the guy who got "illegally" elected by doing the exact same process again. Does that make any sense at all? My guess, as long as your guy wins, it will be fair.

Check history, Folk who have leaders they did not choose oust those leaders and change their government all of the time. Are you sure that's what happened here in our country. I kind of doubt, gun to your head, and you had to pick the right answer, you wouldn't say the last election was stolen. I mean you may cry about all of the mail in stuff, but actually illegal votes enough to change the election? I kind of doubt you'd go with that one before the trigger was pulled.

Again, provide links where ballots outnumbered registered voters in that area. The only thing I saw was someone taking registered voter numbers in areas from 2016 and compared them to 2020. The problem is that the population can change in such areas and people who weren't registered before can register for the next election and many did for obvious reasons.

I can't explain much more than that without some actual proof though. Explain why that elephant just flew past my window.

Russia didn't skew votes in any kind of provable way. What Russia did was influence people with lies on social media. Even Republicans do not deny this who looked at the evidence from the CIA.

You all lump all things together. Russia tried to influence the election. That does not mean Trump colluded with them to do it. Trump was not found guilty of collusion. That doesn't mean the Russians didn't try to influence the election on his behalf. There is no way to prove that the Russian efforts are the reason Trump was elected and without it he wouldn't have been. But the country has a right to try and limit Russia's ability to influence elections.

 

[OlecountryDawg]

I’m catholic and I’m voting for Trump

 

[Athens is Heaven]

You bring up a good point but then ruin it with a dishonest contortion about our involvement in elections to hide the fact that some areas posted mathematically impossible results.

So you contend that I should have gone to the Jan 6 event and others like it. These events are traps and accomplish nothing. Our lives are short and finite and mostly inconsequential in this world. If there was something I could do to prevent ballot stuffing and voter fraud, I would be glad to take
part. It’s a relatively new development, at least at this level and I’m not stupid enough to attend a governmental and political trap like a Jan. 6 event.

The piece of evidence that voter fraud exists, and the one most ignored by dems are the instances where the total Number of votes counted exceeded the total number of registered voters.

Explain how that can happen in a system void of fraud please. You seem quite comfy with the results. Explain it to me somehow so that I may maintain a decent opinion of dems in this board. Give me some margin of error stats and back it with sound statistics so that I may understand this phenomenon that seems to break the laws of nature. I’m an educated man within the field of
Mathematics but I can’t justify this discrepancy.

Most of you guys will Just ignore it and post a haha reaction because it’s easier than making a case for vote legitimacy, all while opining about Russia skewing votes in 2016 without one piece of evidence. No facts, just raw emotion stemming from brainwashing of a biased media.

Also a lot of the Dem. states had 100 percent of voters voting. Anyone with half common sense knows this is impossible especially during the COVID lockdown. The Dems know that the election was rigged but they go along with the lies just like little sheep.

 

[nice marmot]

Also a lot of the Dem. states had 100 percent of voters voting. Anyone with half common sense knows this is impossible especially during the COVID lockdown. The Dems know that the election was rigged but they go along with the lies just like little sheep.

source

 

[Athens is Heaven]

source

Epoch Times.