Here? I've been remote for 2 years now for the dod. Sounds like we're going back to full time in office. Any else getting called back soon
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Any other remote federal employees
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You are the exception. Self driven. And likely learned a lot from being in the office when you were younger.
Like you I can be just as effective from home, but the young folks that work for me absolutely slipped big time during Covid, etc. Gotta be with people to learn, and not everyone can self motivate. Have commisioned studies on this issue and without a doubt the general rule is that being in the office leads to materially more productivity.
Like you I can be just as effective from home, but the young folks that work for me absolutely slipped big time during Covid, etc. Gotta be with people to learn, and not everyone can self motivate. Have commisioned studies on this issue and without a doubt the general rule is that being in the office leads to materially more productivity.
80 / 20 rule or close.
80% of folks need structure and to observe others for self learning - I am in that category.
20% of folks would work better at home. Less distractions and related.
Problem is 50% or so of folks think they are in your 20% category and they are NOT.
I think all will be required to go back.
I do not like this chainsaw approach. I read today that the DNS group that identified that China had hacked into our telecom networks had been disbanded as of this morning. Not great.
I think remote telework will be reworked/undone but I don't think telework will or can undone. So many facilities are way over capacity that you can't have people in the office all five days. It'll be like 200-300% capacity in some locations. Also, telework was a major recruitment & retention for govt for talent.
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It is absolutely working in Argentina! It’s working better than anyone could imagine. It is a major lesson for other economies that are trying to cut red tape. I think that man is somewhat of a hero, and think he could lead a future generation of successful people in that countryIt's working in Argentina. Dept of Education will be as dead as Jimmy Carter soon.
But there are exactly 0 similarities between our economy and Argentina’s.
Not only will that approach not work here, it is unnecessary.
Did you see that this morning they disbanded the DHS Group that identified the Chinese hacking into our telecom system? Why would we disband that group? That is what working with a chainsaw instead of a scalpel will do.
No one is trying to hack into Argentinas infrastructure because nobody cares about that country. people care about our country though.
When leaders tell me that they are scared of work from home and demand that people be in the office, what I hear is that they have no way of identifying KPI for the teams that they lead, and are completely lost as a leader
So guys like Jamie Dimon and David Solomon are lost? As someone said above there is a minority of folks who are wired to be productive at home. But study after study proves that Companies are generally more productive when folks come into an office with others. Especially younger folks who need to learn how to do business.
The return to work mandate forces resignations and the hiring freeze prevents them from being backfilled.
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You are obviously mistaken. The younger folks are the ones that already have all the answers. Don't believe me, interview a few of them.
Yes they’re lost. They’re both super old and have grown up in a time where the only way you could do work with in an office.
When employees went full, remote versus in the office, companies, productivity, and profits went up. Not down . Employees are more productive at home.
Right now I’m basically 80% travel, 10% office, 10% work from home. There is no doubt that from a strictly output standpoint, the office is the most efficient. The other benefit of the office is collaboration that you don’t get working from home. Zoom / Teams isn’t as effective as just stopping by a coworkers office.
You can tell in this thread who wants to stay home all day in pajamas
There may be a few industries where it doesn’t matter. Banking and investment banking sure as hell isn’t one of them. Gotta leave the cabin to kill the Moose. Absolutely no way an analyst level investment banker, private equity, development shop, etc. learns shit sitting at a computer by themselves.
Not to mention a little thing called learning how to interact with people in person. Kind of important. And most learning how to do it is observed. To say nothing about the 50 percent plus who sit on their hands half the day. “So long as they get their work done” is bullshit. Get more done. Make extra calls. Schedule more meetings. Bird dog some more deals. Doesn’t happen on its own.
I don't care about what I wear or if I need to go into an office 5 days a week. I was hired on with the understanding I could live in a small town near Cleveland while my office location is in metro Indianapolis. Now I'm staring down the barrel of having to uproot my family away from family potentially during the school year
I'm not complaining because I'm still grateful to have the job but it's nothing to do with wearing pjs. There's a lot of folks in my exact situation where it's really not about what they wear to work at all is why they are worried
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I work in the manufacturing business and have had to deal with a few work from home engineers. Being asked to go do something for them because I'm in the office and they're not is quickly met with a "sorry, I'm busy". Am I, yes but I also don't get paid to do your job.
80% have lowered their handicap while at home.
I will agree to that. But isn't also relevant that most jobs in the world are not Wall Street investment bankers?
I don't think he was referring to you specifically, I didn't see any complaining in your post.
it was more of a joke
i should have worded it better
I’m a real estate broker and I can tell you working from home absolutely kills my production. I have to do it from time to time, but it really doesn’t work. Especially when there is a 4 month old at home. Energy, comraderie, people bouncing ideas off each other is irreplaceable.
I have been remote for 18 of the last 22 years, I am 100% remote now and I manage a team that is 100% remote.
The people in this thread, who want to go work in an office are certainly allowed to do so.
I have a colleague, who says the same thing you do, he has young babies at home and it’s a madhouse, and he cannot concentrate. He prefers to commute 40 minutes each way into the office. I am lucky and that my kids are a little bit older.
Harder for those who relocated during the move to remote work (from 2020-2023) when there seemed to be no end in sight, IT jobs in particular.
The CEOs we are talking about work in that space. And they have been vocal about back to office since Covid ended. More so than most.
One of my best friends is an MD at JPMC. They have been five days in office since Covid ended. He doesn’t mind it (he says).
The nature of what I do is remote and my reports are all remote as well. To each their own.
Agreed. Certain industries and roles don’t need to be in office. Especially in your case as you’ve proven to be productive remotely.
I think the federal government issue is tough for folks who are legitimately productive working remote. The issue is that it is an easy way to cut costs / improve efficiency at large, and we have an obscene amount of unused office space owned / leased by taxpayers. But with such a huge organization there’s no easy way to find the exceptions to the rule. And it would make it much more difficult to implement if folks could point to those exceptions as unfair / unequal treatment.
I believe there are cases where telework is justified, but after Covid it has certainly been abused. I retired from a resource agency that requires a lot of field work and massive telework has been no friend to them.
