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Hey, it’s an opinion. Not Marxism, but the similarities with progressivism track closely in regards to the accepted game plan. We can disagree, just throwing out observations.

The Communist Manefesto, as Marx and Engels initially drafted, was called “Communism Confession of Faith.”
In 1847, Engels wrote to Marx that they should drop the catechism form and call it “Communist Manifesto.”

I only mention that because of the “satanic” overtones of it. It was a communistic confession of faith. For these two atheists, their communism became their religion. The human psyche will strive for spiritual attachment, even contrived. Seeking of acceptance from a movement, as God is removed from public society. And this was a foundational principal in the Manifesto.

The satanic tones are real and can be illustrated. Later

Communism was forged and focused on money, property, gold. It was not about the soul of man. The key to communist utopia would be economics. Solve the economic problem and you would solve the human problem.

For most humans, economics is not the centerpiece of existence. To communists, socialists and the progressive movement, it is the alpha and omega. That if society resolves, say, “economic inequality” with all income levels to same dollar number, or more fully redistributes wealth, then something closer to Heaven on earth can follow.

Atheist communists and socialists have always believed that the answer to man’s miseries are not in God (the existence of which they deny), but in economic materialism.

The ironic thing is that communists blast the wealthy for being obsessed with money and material things, when in fact, communists are obsessed with money and material things (in the absence of God).

The progressive movement is founded structurally in equality and equity. These are defined not in opportunity, but in monetary meaning. Class struggle and victimhood is stoked by wealth redistribution, the taking from one and providing for another whether earned or not. In human psyche, we will take what is offered and generationally demand what is considered a normal support that was not intended to be generational. Support was stop gap, but once the citizen receives it, it will vote for it to continue, and the congressman will sell it. This is the progressive point. The promise of support moves agenda. The support blinds the citizen. This is a Marxist principal.

#1 Marxist Communism and the progressive movement demand wealth redistribution by the government in the name of benevolence, to achieve equality and equity, while promoting the selling of benevolence for an agenda vote.

The conservative movement does not promote wealth redistribution and promotes privatized benevolence programs that cannot be bartered by a politician.

Next, racial and class discord.

Comments? Bueller, Bueller?
 
Communism was forged and focused on money, property, gold. It was not about the soul of man. The key to communist utopia would be economics. Solve the economic problem and you would solve the human problem.
This is just plain wrong. Communism was founded on a shared means of production, so is the exact opposite of what you are saying. There are no private property rights and everything is owned by the government.

The progressive movement is founded structurally in equality and equity. These are defined not in opportunity, but in monetary meaning. Class struggle and victimhood is stoked by wealth redistribution, the taking from one and providing for another whether earned or not. In human psyche, we will take what is offered and generationally demand what is considered a normal support that was not intended to be generational. Support was stop gap, but once the citizen receives it, it will vote for it to continue, and the congressman will sell it. This is the progressive point. The promise of support moves agenda. The support blinds the citizen. This is a Marxist principal.
No, this is also wrong. The Progressive movement was first started by journalists and activists in the late 1800s fighting corruption, waste, scandal and the exploitation of labor. It has nothing to do with redistribution. It is about making life better for the poor and exploited in society, not about making things worse for the middle class.

Your whole premise here just doesn't make any sense.
 
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This is just plain wrong. Communism was founded on a shared means of production, so is the exact opposite of what you are saying. There are no private property rights and everything is owned by the government.


No, this is also wrong. The Progressive movement was first started by journalists and activists in the late 1800s fighting corruption, waste, scandal and the exploitation of labor. It has nothing to do with redistribution. It is about making life better for the poor and exploited in society, not about making things worse for the middle class.

Your whole premise here just doesn't make any sense.
What I stated is right out if Marx’s writings. In your response, you must read the Marxist methods to understand WHY there was a concentration of “making life better for the poor and exploited.”

Marx’s theories came from very dark roots. He was a poet and his poetry was steeped in satanic ritual bases. In his own words, the point was to destroy societies by the means I mentioned. I carefully commented off he and Engels exact words and documented comments.

The biggest point was to destroy any reference to God and replace with a society based solely on monetary value, period. The value of man was what the state provided them.That is straight from Marx himself.

In Gods eye, and in a free society, we all all equal. Initiative of the individual is rewarded. We are taught to respect others and treat others as we desire to be treated.

In Marx’s eye, the value of man is in economics. Initiative is suffocated. We are taught we are victims and deserve to be compensated. We are labeled and divided racially and by sexual orientation.

Todays progressive movement

BLM - Money and racial division
Reparations - Money and racial division
Affirmative action- Money and racial division
Welfare benevolence- Money and economic division

The trans movement promoted
The inability to vocalize personal opinion
Government control of “hate speech”

All these issues are part of the Marxist ideal of dividing a society to accept government control which leads to loss of freedoms which moves the communist movement.

What we are taught is that we are bad because of our past, unless it fits our desires.

Our founding fathers signed a document that assured our rights as citizens of the United States. Man wasn’t perfect l, but the document allowed for the social norms to change. It differentiates us from just about every other country in the world.

When politicians felt the need to promote gov funded benevolence, we saw a shift that we have never recovered from. Short term fixes turned into generational support. We taught our generations not how to work, but how to live off the government.

We provide government support for the unwed mother. So women quit getting married to get a check. Then had another child to get a check, then another. So the marriage rate. Especially in the black community has plummeted. Will we fix it? Nope. The politician sells it now.

It is exactly what brings a great republic to its knees and we seek the government to take care of us…..communism.

Enough. If you truly believe what you said in your reply to me you have never read anything substantial on Marx and the process of how communism moves in a society.

Division promoted in any way is evil. Labels and unforgiveness moves us further into a progressive socialist system…..
 
This is just plain wrong. Communism was founded on a shared means of production, so is the exact opposite of what you are saying. There are no private property rights and everything is owned by the government.


No, this is also wrong. The Progressive movement was first started by journalists and activists in the late 1800s fighting corruption, waste, scandal and the exploitation of labor. It has nothing to do with redistribution. It is about making life better for the poor and exploited in society, not about making things worse for the middle class.

Your whole premise here just doesn't make any sense.
Where the hell did you get from. They are destroying the middle class with their stupid regulations and the tax hikes. And don’t tell me there won’t be any tax hikes on the middle class.
 
We need to be able to discuss this from a point of knowledge, not if feelings. The communist movement isn’t a benevolent protector of the poor. It destroys societies.
 
it's as if you are not aware of a day of history before 1900.
Yep, reading what the man truly said pales in comparison to what one wants it to be.

In regards to 1900, or history thereof, our country had a system in place to invoke change through representation and changes in human nature. That is the truth.

Human nature, bigotry, and racial beliefs of citizens had to change over the years, but the system was in place to allow that change to happen.

People change and that change drives how we get along. When the government artificially controls racial behavior, one race or the other gets treated artificially.

When a government controls the narrative, it can be sold and it creates multi generational artificial dependence on government because the government sells it for the vote.

Dependence on government assistance is a hallmark of the socialist movement towards communism which is a standard of the liberal progressive movement.

When the people give all the power to the central government, the central government is in control. Another hallmark of the Marxist ideal our founding fathers intended to keep us safe from.

In 2023, the US is the most racially free country in the world. But we are destroying it? The Marxist ideal is to key on past sins, never forgiving and never allowing the good in man and changes made to be praised. Always key on the sins, not the repentance.

Why? Just read the handbook.
 
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Yep, reading what the man truly said pales in comparison to what one wants it to be.

In regards to 1900, or history thereof, our country had a system in place to invoke change through representation and changes in human nature. That is the truth.

Human nature, bigotry, and racial beliefs of citizens had to change over the years, but the system was in place to allow that change to happen.

People change and that change drives how we get along. When the government artificially controls racial behavior, one race or the other gets treated artificially.

When a government controls the narrative, it can be sold and it creates multi generational artificial dependence on government because the government sells it for the vote.

Dependence on government assistance is a hallmark of the socialist movement towards communism which is a standard of the liberal progressive movement.

When the people give all the power to the central government, the central government is in control. Another hallmark of the Marxist ideal our founding fathers intended to keep us safe from.

In 2023, the US is the most racially free country in the world. But we are destroying it? The Marxist ideal is to key on past sins, never forgiving and never allowing the good in man and changes made to be praised. Always key on the sins, not the repentance.

Why? Just read the handbook.
So you're saying the US has made amends and righted wrongs from it's racist past? All policies rooted in are over
 
So you're saying the US has made amends and righted wrongs from it's racist past? All policies rooted in are over
Why do you key on “amends”? What racist past has not been “righted”?

The laws have changed to make all men equal. The citizen is responsible for living within those laws.

Explain amends.
 
Yep, reading what the man truly said pales in comparison to what one wants it to be.
I don't know what you are on about, but, again, context always matters. You have none. do some reading of the events around 1848, just to give you a little prompt.
 
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Just like you libs living in the past and hating and blaming people who didn’t live in that time.
Just like the daughters of the confederacy? They just can’t seem to let the confederate go. They have to go out and build confederate monuments in every southern municipality. They lost and should get over it.
 
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Just like the daughters of the confederacy? They just can’t seem to let the confederate go. They have to go out and build confederate monuments in every southern municipality. They lost and should get over it.
History is so overrated.

The war is over. A statute cannot harm you.

You should get over it.
 
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Just like the daughters of the confederacy? They just can’t seem to let the confederate go. They have to go out and build confederate monuments in every southern municipality. They lost and should get over it.
Why haven’t you engaged in the Marxist conversation?
 
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Why do you key on “amends”? What racist past has not been “righted”?

The laws have changed to make all men equal. The citizen is responsible for living within those laws.

Explain amends.
These are all wrongs that continue to this day that sprung up from the Black Codes and Jim Crow laws.

The continued effects of "Red Lining" has had on the black community in preventing home ownership and building generational wealth

The continued effects of the War on Drugs specifically sentencing disparity

Black farmers being locked out of crucial capital compared to white farmers

Black family homes being valued at a much lower rate compared to white family homes in equal class and location
 
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These are all wrong that continue to this day that sprung up from the Black Codes and Jim Crow laws.
don't forget the highway system being used to systematically destroy traditionally black neighborhoods and cultural centers. Miami, being one example, Savannah being another, etc. etc.

 
When the government artificially controls racial behavior, one race or the other gets treated artificially.
WTF does this even mean?

When a government controls the narrative, it can be sold and it creates multi generational artificial dependence on government because the government sells it for the vote.
Pretty sure this only works when the government controls the media, ala China, Russia, North Korea, etc. This has no basis in our country with a free press enshrined in the Constitution. Also, acting like 'the government' is some monolithic entity is a big stretch. 'The government' is made up of millions of citizens with radically different opinions and views. There is no control of any narrative.

Your post is just a logical fallacy.
 
don't forget the highway system being used to systematically destroy traditionally black neighborhoods and cultural centers. Miami, being one example, Savannah being another, etc. etc.

nice,

The highway system has not destroyed the black family. The government and the sell of victimhood has destroyed the black family.

The black family must desire to work past what has happen in this country, not in monetary benevolence redistributed by the taxpayer, but in using the options available, and have been available, to provide and protect for family. That goes for black, white, whatever.

Free education and understanding how the economic system works. If you ignore either of those, you have a high percentage of chance of living in poverty and being a ward of the state.

Is the point to get out from under government control or continue and build more? For foreign countries that hate us, they fuel the dependence mantra. The more dependence the government becomes responsible for, the weaker the country. It is an economic reality.

Monetary confusion and irresponsibility is the #1 point in the communist plan of gradualism within a country. There is not a government benevolence program that will fix what you post about.

A man is not respected, truly and authentically respected until he first respects the system he lives in. This goes for slave or free. That is Biblical.

The demand for respect is responded to in distrust. Racial issues stem from that distrust and demand.

The country is set up for all men to be free, to work and provide for family…..not be fed by the government.

If the progressive liberal spent the time and effort to train citizens to work within the economic system instead of leveraging the gov, we could work together and fix this.

But the mantra is to create racial discord and demand.

Everything I said is speaking to myself. It’s how it works.
 
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nice,

The highway system has not destroyed the black family. The government and the sell of victimhood has destroyed the black family.

The black family must desire to work past what has happen in this country, not in monetary benevolence redistributed by the taxpayer, but in using the options available, and have been available, to provide and protect for family. That goes for black, white, whatever.

Free education and understanding how the economic system works. If you ignore either of those, you have a high percentage of chance of living in poverty and being a ward of the state.

Is the point to get out from under government control or continue and build more? For foreign countries that hate us, they fuel the dependence mantra. The more dependence the government becomes responsible for, the weaker the country. It is an economic reality.

Monetary confusion and irresponsibility is the #1 point in the communist plan of gradualism within a country. There is no government benevolence program that will fix what you post about.

A man is not respected, truly and authentically respected until he first respects the system he lives in. This goes for slave or free. That is Biblical.

The demand for respect is responded to in distrust. Racial issues stem from that distrust and demand.

The country is set up for all men to be free, to work and provide for family…..not be fed by the government.

If the progressive liberal spent the time and effort to train citizens to work within the economic system instead of leveraging the gov, we could work together and fix this.

But the mantra is to create racial discord and demand.

Everything I said is speaking to myself. It’s how it works.
So you put no blame on the US racist past for the current condition of the Black community? 400 years of racism, slavery, bigotry, murder, discriminatory lending practices, unequal education, and medical service none of that matters? But a narcissist making up lies about the election and you want to over throw the government?
 
nice,

The highway system has not destroyed the black family. The government and the sell of victimhood has destroyed the black family.
I am not sure that race and the state of the family have anything to do with one another. I do think that poverty is deleterious to dignity in this country and that leads to unhappiness etc

you appear to be free associating, anyway, as a means of passing the time, which is fine.

I was merely pointing out with shonuff another line item wherein black life was marginalized

The indisputable fact is that hghways cut up neighborhoods and black cultural centers in multiple cities, and if you don't think that had an effect on people's lives and the sort of sense of community that fosters healthy experience, well, you're not really thinking.
 
The black family must desire to work past what has happen in this country, not in monetary benevolence redistributed by the taxpayer, but in using the options available, and have been available, to provide and protect for family.
Just spit-balling, but if these 'options' haven't been available to a particular race until maybe the most recent generation, are they just supposed to all of a sudden use these 'options' like people that have had these 'options' forever?

Also, let's look at the states that make it almost impossible for people to get benefits...Republican states in the South with the highest concentration of poor people. Wonder why that is...also, can you guess the racial component of this picture?


Free education and understanding how the economic system works. If you ignore either of those
How exactly would you ignore 'understanding how the economic system works'?
 
Just like the daughters of the confederacy? They just can’t seem to let the confederate go. They have to go out and build confederate monuments in every southern municipality. They lost and should get over it.
There is nothing wrong with them honoring their forefathers. Which by the way most were non slave owners.
 
These are all wrongs that continue to this day that sprung up from the Black Codes and Jim Crow laws.

The continued effects of "Red Lining" has had on the black community in preventing home ownership and building generational wealth

The continued effects of the War on Drugs specifically sentencing disparity

Black farmers being locked out of crucial capital compared to white farmers

Black family homes being valued at a much lower rate compared to white family homes in equal class and location
Boy love me some propaganda!
 
So you put no blame on the US racist past for the current condition of the Black community? 400 years of racism, slavery, bigotry, murder, discriminatory lending practices, unequal education, and medical service none of that matters? But a narcissist making up lies about the election and you want to over throw the government?
Sounds like you’re the one that wants to overthrow our government. You’re falling for all of this Marxist propaganda.
 
You are being fed this propaganda about equality you brainwashed libs don’t realize you are already equal. If you would quit sucking the government tit and go out and get an education and a job you all would feel better about yourselves. Hell I was so busy working and supporting my family I didn’t have time for all the blame bullshit.
 
So you put no blame on the US racist past for the current condition of the Black community? 400 years of racism, slavery, bigotry, murder, discriminatory lending practices, unequal education, and medical service none of that matters? But a narcissist making up lies about the election and you want to over throw the government?
Nope, I do not. Your response ignores my points. You keep referring to what was. If we can never move past what was, we can never reach what we want.

Monetary subsidies and benevolence will not fix the problems of racial issues. To this point, it has made it worst.

Which is the whole point of the Marxist doctrine. Divide and collapse.

You still want to blame everything on historical racial discrimination. Are you willing to work to change racial discrimination or are you just wanting to punish the system? Honest question.

Marxist doctrine placed the value of man as a monetary value, as does the progressive liberal doctrine. Equality and equity, based solely on money is a political control trap and enslaves through dependence. The elite pays the dependent for power.

The value of man, as described in the Constitution, is endowed by the creator, which places an enormous burden on the government to correct the wrongs of racial inequality. It allowed for that change. But man first had to change.

Man has changed. The laws have changed. Equality in the law, by definition, is guaranteed for all.

Human nature and biases must change, but the laws are in place for all men to live free and prosper.

But a man must want to prosper and provide and not just be fed.

History should be learned from, but not repeated if wrongs were done.

Marxism/Progressivism= money, power, unforgiveness, and control. Concentration on victimhood. Removal of sovereign Creator. Equality and equity monetarily based.
Conservativism= God’s sovereignty, opportunity, repentive heart and forgiveness. Equality and equity can only be provided through opportunity.
 
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So where did you go to school. One thing you did not learn is open mindedness. Please quit trying to equate everything to Marxism. Honestly you have no idea what you are talking about.
Since I have no idea what I am talking about, educate me on the progressive movement and it’s fixation on US history, Christianity, sexual orientation, racial inclusion and positives of a large and powerful centralized government that controls your life.

Explain the positives of the very educational system controlled and paid for by government, that teaches how evil our founding fathers were and our country is, to our youth.

I am open minded to your comments. I will try to see everything with rose colored glasses and lollipops and ignore the obvious. You have a right to your opinion.

Then we can discuss Karl Marx and his writings for kicks and giggles.
 
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So you put no blame on the US racist past for the current condition of the Black community? 400 years of racism, slavery, bigotry, murder, discriminatory lending practices, unequal education, and medical service none of that matters? But a narcissist making up lies about the election and you want to over throw the government?
Explain the Jews, genius.
 
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Explain the Jews, genius.
I don't know what you're asking; some people think they're Gods chosen people if you believe God, and Sammy Davis Jr thought they were a groovy bunch of people...not sure what you're looking for💁🏿‍♂️
 
I don't know what you're asking; some people think they're Gods chosen people if you believe God, and Sammy Davis Jr thought they were a groovy bunch of people...not sure what you're looking for💁🏿‍♂️
You know what I’m looking for. Go run off to Vanity Fair or The Nation for your talking points since you can’t come up with your own schtick.
 
You know what I’m looking for. Go run off to Vanity Fair or The Nation for your talking points since you can’t come up with your own schtick.
I guess I have to talk to you like I do my son.....ok. Use your words buddy and tell me what you want to say ok.
 
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Explain the Jews, genius.
I think you are asking: why are the Jews, as a religious community, more successful (by certain standards of American calculating) than Blacks in America, despite that both have been subject to assaultative descrimination?

There are numerous reasons that might be so: the first being that Jews represent a much much smaller population here in the United States and, as you know, are bonded by a common faith, whereas Blacks in America came from many different georgraphies, were often of different tribes within those "countries", worshipped different gods, observed diverse rituals, and spoke many different languages.

But a second and most obvious and most important is the conditions of settlement:

by and large, Blacks of African descent were transported here in appalling conditions and for centuries prevented from speaking their own languages and/or establishing their own customs and communities - worse, most were denied even the most rudimentary education (not to mention autonomy and, later, opportunity) for nearly two centuries thereafter. It is not that the demographic lacked genius or talent - quite the opposite - that genius and talent (and the culture that flowered in America later) was violently suppressed.

As for Jews, there were many Colonial settlements here, some of the earliest being in Savannah and New Orleans. Yes, they saw descrimination, but because they had agency, they could (despite some NIMBY type limitations) choose where they lived and form self-supporting communities and worship together, etc. Also because they had agency, and because settlers were often of the merchant or similar classes, they had the means to welcome and help establish others of their faith.

Later, of course, between the wars and with the rise of nationalist movements in Europe, despite that Jews were still excluded from certain opportunities, another Jewish diaspora saw many with means and/or skills emigrate from Europe (some, of course, had nothing or had lost everything) - Albert Einstein was foremost among those who, though despised by some, was celebrated by the greater part for the talent he brought to America - and there were many more like him.

Is that what you needed to read today?
 
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I think you are asking: why are the Jews, as a religious community, more successful (by certain standards of American calculating) than Blacks in America, despite that both have been subject to assaultative descrimination.

There are numerous reasons that might be so: the first being that Jews represent a much much smaller population here in the United States and, as you know, are bonded by a common faith, whereas Blacks in America came from many different georgraphies, were often of different tribes within those "countries", worshipped different gods, observed diverse rituals, and spoke many different languages.

But a second and most obvious and most important is the conditions of settlement:

by and large, Blacks of African descent were transported here in appalling conditions and for centuries prevented from speaking their own languages and/or establishing their own customs and communities - worse, most were denied even the most rudimentary education (not to mention autonomy and, later, opportunity) for nearly two centuries thereafter.

As for Jews, there were many Colonial settlements here, some of the earliest being in Savannah and New Orleans. Yes, they saw descrimination, but because they had agency, they could (despite some NIMBY type limitations) choose where they lived and form self-supporting communities and worship together, etc. Also because they had agency, and because settlers were often of the merchant or similar classes, they had the means to welcome and help establish others of their faith.

Later, of course, between the wars and with the rise of nationalist movements in Europe, despite that Jews were still excluded from certain opportunities, another Jewish diaspora saw many with means and/or skills emigrate from Europe (some, of course, had nothing or had lost everything) - Albert Einstein was foremost among those who, though despised by some, was celebrated by the greater part for the talent he brought to America - and there were many more like him.

Is that what you needed to read today?
I quit reading after your first sentence where you referred to the Jews as a religious community. Ignorant.
 
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I quit reading after your first sentence where you referred to the Jews as a religious community. Ignorant.
yes, you make yourself appear so. and if you refuse to read across the spectrum you will stay that way.

The second diaspora was nearly two millenia ago, that's 2000 years of a multinational, multi ethnic people with sects and schisms just like any other religious community. Go visit Crown Heights and walk with the Lubavitch there and then go visit Mcvie Isreal in Savannah and tell me there isn't a diversity within the Jewish Community - of thought, ethnicities, etc. A question: who are you talking about when you talk so knowledably about "the Jews" ? Askhenazi or Sephardic? or maybe Mizrahi? etc etc etc
 
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