I like how they're some how trying to tie Ukraine funding from two years ago to hurricane relief.
Clay Higgins and Ohio Haitians
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Please stop, Youre embarrassing yourself. Again. We just gave Ukraine $3 Billion last week.
GOP congress prevented $10 Billion to FEMA that could have been used for hurricane relief right now but they don't care about the people of NC.
Racism is totally cool as long as you have some legitimate issues with policy. Got it.
You would have made a great and loyal German in the '30s.
Oh, and you don't understand how government funding works. At all.
And the GOP refused to allocate $10 Billion dollars to FEMA two weeks ago.
What is the argument you're trying to make here son🤔
You are not rooted in reality! Damn, so now this is Trumps fault? He had put a system in place to prevent this very problem! Biden and your wonder whore candidate cussed 100% of this issue. Do you not see how they shit on the American citizens and give our money to bring these ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS to our cities. We did not ask for that. Now we are told FEMA has no more money to help American citizens hurting from causes beyond their control. The Dems and their voters hate the majority of Americans, simple as that.
Where is the racism? That bullshit no longer works.
I care about Americans, our Government doesnt.
Please , point out my racism. You cant, its your Dem dog whistle .
“It provides for up to $20 billion and we’re not going to run out of money to respond to natural disasters. They didn’t add money, but we can use it faster, and it resolves any concerns I have,” Sen. John Kennedy (R-La.), a member of the Senate Appropriations Committee, told The Hill last week.
It’s like if you question this current tear down of the US you are instantly labeled as racist, xenophobic, etc) to squelch any further debate or investigation. Wake up Dems! We did not cause these problems, but they made them out problem. Now Americans ( North Carolina, Florida, Georgia, Tennessee, etc.) are in desperate need of aid and our government says they do not have the money to help them! Genius lack of leadership causing these issues and you all cover for them.
So, help me understand, from the article you linked:
"...allowing FEMA access to draw from roughly $20 billion starting Oct. 1"
How did the GOP not provide money to FEMA? They apparently will need money in the future, but the article you linked literally says FEMA has $20,000,000,000 right now. I'm just a simple man made of rock, but I believe you might have had "premature micdropulation". Don't worry, my Lava-Lady tells me it happens to everyone.
So, to be clear...this is a misleading statement. From the article you linked...it would have been $10B more, on top to the $20B they already were giving.
$$$ should not be preventing FEMA from helping right now. Why they aren't doing more and/or why Fort Liberty helicopters aren't in the air as we speak in a search and rescue mode...that's the real question, I think.
"House Republicans had previously included $10 billion in additional funding for FEMA as part of their initial six-month stopgap offer. But the funding fell out amid calls from hardline conservatives pushing for more to be done to curb government spending. Other Republicans also expressed confidence that the funding in the shorter stopgap plan that was eventually adopted was sufficient."So, help me understand, from the article you linked:
"...allowing FEMA access to draw from roughly $20 billion starting Oct. 1"
How is did the GOP not provide money to FEMA? They apparently will need money in the future, but the article you linked literally says FEMA has $20,000,000,000 right now. I'm just a simple man made of rock, but I believe you might have had "premature micdropulation". Don't worry, my Lava-Lady tells me it happens to everyone.
This is from the same article I hope this is simple enough for a rock to understand...thanks for playing😅
Okay...but are you missing or ignoring the part I quoted (from the same article) that says FEMA has $20B as of 1 Oct? The rest of the article is about projects down the line, they'll need more, etc. But, they have money. Right now.
"Speaker Mike Johnson once again relied heavily on Democrats to pass the measure, which would leave federal agencies with static budgets through Dec. 20"
Static - In the context of government budgeting, "static" refers to an analysis or projection that assumes no changes in behavior or economic conditions as a result of policy changes, such as tax adjustments or spending shifts. A static budget model holds all variables constant, ignoring potential reactions from businesses, individuals, or the broader economy.
For example, in a static analysis of a tax cut, the model would calculate the immediate loss in government revenue without considering how the tax cut might influence economic growth, consumer spending, or investment. This approach contrasts with a "dynamic" analysis, which takes such changes into account.
Yes, I understand that (rock-headed and all). They are stuck at last year's funding levels (which isn't the same as stuck w/ last year's funds...just temp funded at last year's level) until a non-stop gap budget is passed before December (hopefully). Given all their projects, they will need more money. But, your 'mic drop' seemed to be that the GOP didn't give FEMA any money and that's why they don't have any and ran out before they could help. But, that's not what the article says. The GOP simply didn't give an additional $10B on top of the $20B they have access to 1 Oct.
FEMA has money right now, including enough to help NC right now. But, they'll need more later.
The context of my post here was Springfield has an infrastructure issue ever since mass population exodus and contraction of available services. Some of these issues are infrastructure related as jobs came back on line and the city was not ready for it. Trump promised an infrastructure week for 4 years that never materialized, mainly due to him golfing half time and needing pop up books for govt briefings. It is widely knownhe doesn't understand policy...which is why hesba fervent advocate for less regulations (or in commonfolk parlance....RULES).
So...if you add 20k people to an infrastructure challenged area, you are going to have an issue if that area is not prepared to handle the influx, regardless of where those people come from (Haiti, south Georgia or Sweden). It's not soley an immigration issue... Springfield has an infrastructure issue.
And it has been established (and presently not refuted) the Haitians in Springfield are not here illegally, regardless of how any "feels" about the situation. At the same time, they are not legal immigrants...they are parolees with temporary protected status. It is important to the discussion that we understand how they are classified because it does change the discussion. You can't just "send them back". Court cases support this.
Trump also was unable to stop the influx of Haitians while he was president; he tried....and failed due to legal issues (on brand). So...no....he didn't prevent anything in regards to Haitians. One of his final acts in office was extending TPS in December 2020 pursuant to a court order. So...it could be argued some of this is his fault as he was unable to end Haitian TPS LEGALLY.
As a dem voter, I don't hate any American voter. I may disagree with some, but not hate as we have to share this place with each other.
From the same article I linked to my post...
"While the funding fix through Dec. 20 allows a cash-strapped Disaster Relief Fund to keep limping along, lawmakers are stressing that a major infusion of funding will likely be needed by the end of the year. FEMA has been in a disaster-aid deficit, pausing some work in recent weeks that’s not considered “life sustaining” but is still necessary, like rebuilding in Maui after last summer’s wildfires."
That's literally just a rehash of what I said and does not contradict any of it. They have the money to support Helene, even if they need more eventually (and have to pause some projects). Your 'mic drop' keeps changing. They have $20B, right now.
It's ok to admit you rushed to post before fully reading the article
The debate is really about why they're running out of money and what they chose to spend money on, pre-Helene.
Was the tweet in poor taste? Yes. Was it racist? I think that word gets thrown around too much, but I can certainly understand the argument for that.
In defense of parts of the tweet, it is a nasty broken country (why else would we make them TPS-eligible?) overrun by gangs led by individuals known as Barbeque. Even former Haitian President Michel Martelly and a member of Haiti’s parliament, Prophane Victor were sanctioned by the US for a lot of really bad things. Haitian gangs have been indicted for kidnapping US citizens.
(since you asked for proof in a previous post, please follow this link for the information in the following paragraph)
As far as legality goes, more than 580,000 Haitian cases were pending as of May from a population of 697,000 Haitian immigrants in the United States as of 2021. As of this January, 107,000 Haitians held Temporary Protected Status (TPS), granting them U.S. work authorization and protection from deportation through August 2024, and 105,000 more were estimated to be eligible to apply. So, clearly not all Haitian immigrants fall under TPS. As of the date of that data, it's 20%, at best. The only conclusion is that there are a large number that are absolutely "illegal", however you want to define that word.
Additionally, there have been cases where Haitian gang leaders have been prosecuted in the U.S. for crimes including gun smuggling, which further illicits concern over the immigration status of Haitians involved in gang activities. It's one of the reasons why the Dominican Republic deported more than 170,000 Haitians. Countries including the Bahamas, Cuba, and Turks and Caicos have deported an additional 5,500 Haitians. to Brazil, Canada, Chile, and the Dominican Republic, as well as other countries in the Caribbean, Europe, and Latin America.
So, why focus on the tweet? This isn't about an ill-conceived tweet or Vance discussing what his constituents told him. Has there been a single legitimate report of anything 'bad' happening to Haitian immigrants in Springfield due to Vance's comments? The only verified reports I've seen are of bomb threats coming from overseas. Imagine that.
Focusing on a single tweet, at the expense of the real issue, is deflection. Focus on real people getting hurt, killed; on the roots of why the tweet and comments were made which likely has nothing to do with racism and everything to do with an large influx of millions of people across the country. Focus on FEMA's budget decision to spend on supporting immigrant flooding the country, some with legal protections but many not.
FEMA spending that much money on supporting immigration vs. what they should be focusing on (disaster relief) is a poor decision. No wonder there was debate about increasing their budget at least 50% above what it was previously, if they are choosing to spend so much things that aren't helping citizens.
But, what do I know. My head is full of rock.
They will never assimilate. They will be nothing more than parasites on our society. Get them the **** out!
The argument Im trying to make is that the $10 Billion was refused because the Republicans knew it wouldnt be given to FEMA, its just being siphoned off to pay for more people that hate the US. The same reason the border bill was squashed. It gave more money and more power the the DHS and they would have brought even more illegals in. The Dems have no interest in stopping immigration.
Because , make no mistake, thats is what happened so far this year.
It appears that the Dems want to hand the State of NC to Trump.
Well thats just a bigoted assumption based on your ignorance of how government funding works and just plain false.
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Everything is bigoted to you buddy .
Where is the money thst was budgeted for natural disasters? I was wasted on illegals .
FEMA runs out of money for Helene while spending hundreds of millions on migrants
(The Center Square) – Department of Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas told reporters Wednesday that FEMA does not have enough funding to last the rest of the year even as
I believe the Haitians will never be Americans. Just because Biden/Harris waved their magic wands doesn't make them legal. Btw, I do believe they were wonderfully made in the glorious image of God but no they are not as smart or wise or moral than Americans. Our fore fathers realized this and created a pathway to citizenship that the GD Democrats refuse to abide by. You Libs have made a mockery of what it means to become an American and what a slap in the face to everyone who persevered the pain staking process to actually become an American citizen.
StaticEverything is bigoted to you buddy .
Where is the money thst was budgeted for natural disasters? I was wasted on illegals .
FEMA runs out of money for Helene while spending hundreds of millions on migrants
(The Center Square) – Department of Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas told reporters Wednesday that FEMA does not have enough funding to last the rest of the year even aswww.thecentersquare.com
Hmmm...you just said they were "made in the glorious image of God"...but then throw some good ole bigotry in to describe them. Which is it because this was the same language used to describe black Americans during slavery, post-reconstruction and Jim Crow...but wait that's not bigoted in your view🤔
“First they came for the Haitians”
And I said
“Make sure you get all the Haitians”
A lot to unpack here...
Tell us how Haitians have a pathway to citizenship under the current IPP and TPS laws that is any different than any other group of people. I'm curious here.
If a Haitian goes through the naturalization process to become a US citizen, are you not going to see them as an American? Also...what a backhanded comment regarding their intelligence.
Our forefathers didn't create anything in regards to how our current immigration system works. It was LITERALLY open borders back then. The only 4 qualifications to become a US citizen in 1790 were 1: you had to be free 2: you had to be white (and good moral character) 3: express intent to US govt to become a citizen and swear oath of allegiance, and 4: live here for 2 years. That's it. The natives that lived here BEFORE we arrived from Europe were INELIGIBLE to become citizens. Think about that...
So...we basically limited our citizenship eligibility to white, free Europeans. It's nonsensical to bring "our forefathers blah blah blah" into this...
These people were railroaded into our country by the Left skirting the laws of this nation that require illegals to become legal American citizens. There is a pathway in place. There is a process. I guess you can't understand that.
To my knowledge, the Haitians don't have a different pathway to citizenship process from others. Enlighten me here.
Them being here under IPP and protected under TPS does not give them any sort of citizenship eligibility.
The $25,000 down payment assistance plan will create tremendous problems down the road. There should be restrictions on who
Wow, both Harris and Walz said so that settles it. You are such a damn stickler on facts that paint the picture you want. They are illegal immigrants that have a temporary protected status. That in itself is easy to understand if you can sit back read the literature without a bias to make it fit your narrative.
Just like your other post about the economy. You lost all of these KPI’s saying everyday American’s are not that bad off. You stated current numbers which are not ideal but also not that bad.
But it is like saying to someone who is almost finishing 50 mile hike, “what’s the problem?”lThe last 1/2 half is downhill and the wind is at your back. All the while ignoring the first 25 and 1/2 miles was mostly uphill and into a headwind.
Your response (specifically about what Harris and Waltz did or did not say) suggests you didn't bother to read the entire thread, and I don't have time to catch you up.
The Haitians in question are here legally under a program that has existed since 1990. Their presence in this country is legal and their work permits are legally granted. The GOP governor of Ohio has stated over and over again that the Haitians in Springfield "are legal".
So, you and Lava and anyone else can parse your words all you want. They are here legally and the lies from Trump and Vance and the racism, threats and lies from Clay Higgins (who has admitted he voted for former KKK Grand Wizard David Duke) is unconscionable regardless of how much you hate Biden's policies.
If you hate this nation so much just effing leave it! People like you perpetuate racism.
No worries, Lava-Man. You haven’t called me a baby-murdering Satanist yet so we are good.If a discussion of word parsing is all you got out of my comments...Lava-Man sad 😢
I shall resolve to start using more MRI (Molten Rock Intelligence) in my responses, which is better than simple AI, because it is three letters...instead of just two
That does not make them legal. The process pits them in a temporary status. That is not the same thing as coming here legally. It is a pathway to do so. This administration is manipulating the system to get more people in the country without concern for their well being as well as the stress it is causing on local communities and our economic situation.
These goofballs don’t care. Dumping 20,000 Haitians is fantastic and if you don’t love it you’re a bigot and racist and overall bad person.
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