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willdup said:
Lava-Man should read the articles linked in a post and Lava-Man might not have so many questions.

Providing this link again because I like to help Lava-Man out.


Lava-Man might prefer a summary and may not like the plan, but can't say there isn't a plan.

Key Components of the Harris Housing Plan

1. New Housing Development
  • Goal: Create 3 million new housing units within four years to alleviate the housing supply crisis.
  • Collaboration: Work with local governments and private developers to facilitate construction and streamline permitting processes, particularly for multifamily units and affordable housing projects.
2. Tax Incentives for Homebuilders
  • Starter Homes: Introduce a first-ever tax incentive for builders who construct starter homes specifically for first-time buyers, complementing existing programs like the Neighborhood Homes Tax Credit.
  • Low-Income Housing Tax Credit (LIHTC): Expand the LIHTC to encourage more affordable housing development.
3. Down Payment Assistance
  • Support for First-Time Buyers: Provide up to $25,000 in down payment assistance for first-time homebuyers who have consistently paid their rent on time for two years. This initiative aims to assist over 4 million individuals in achieving homeownership
4. Regulation of Corporate Landlords
  • Prevent Price Fixing: Implement measures to regulate corporate landlords and prevent them from inflating prices through bulk purchases of homes. This includes supporting legislation like the “Stop Predatory Investing Act” which seeks to eliminate tax benefits for large investors acquiring single-family rental homes.
5. Economic Stability and Wealth Building
  • Focus on Underserved Communities: The plan emphasizes creating opportunities for historically excluded communities, aiming to bridge gaps in homeownership and wealth accumulation, particularly among minority groups.
6. Innovation Fund
  • Propose a $40 billion innovation fund to support local solutions for housing supply issues and encourage innovative construction financing methods.
And yes, Harris does have an economic plan. Lava-Man needs to watch less Fox News and read more.

time.com

What's in Kamala Harris' Economic Plan

Kamala Harris vowed to create an “opportunity economy” with an economic plan that includes a ban on grocery price gouging and a $6,000 tax credit to families for the first year of the child’s life
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Lava-man may not be smarter than the AI-generated paragraphs, but his rock-sense knows a non-plan when he sees one. There is all result...w/ no 'how'.

Example: Lava-man becomes rich by implementing a rock-solid business plan that sells high, while buying low.

Literally everything you posted is rock dust. There is zero detail there that separates Harris from Biden. Is that a feature or a bug?

What exactly will she "do"? "Be Best" is a better plan than what you provided, above.
 
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zingerdawg said:
They were in charge of it. You asked for proof. Well. There is your proof. Your numbers are meaningless. Because it has done nothing for the public. After the ridiculous response by Biden/harris for this hurricane North Carolina may never vote democrat again. In an all seriousness. I drove all over waycross. Didn’t see one federal vehicle. Very little help being offered. I could have missed it but my folks didn’t see any either. And people wonder why rural areas hate Harris and Biden. They couldn’t care less.
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The response that Trump is lying about, just like he lies about everything else? Funny, Kemp seemed perfectly happy with Biden's response. Biden offered support and Kemp has to request it, which he didn't at that time.

So how exactly has the federal response fallen short?

“He just said, 'Hey, what do you need?'” Kemp told reporters. “And I told him, you know, we got what we need. We will work through the federal process.”

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Trump falsely says Georgia's governor was unable to talk to Biden about storm damage

Republican Gov. Brian Kemp said President Joe Biden offered any help the state needs.
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Lava-Man said:
Lava-man may not be smarter than the AI-generated paragraphs, but his rock-sense knows a non-plan when he sees one. There is all result...w/ no 'how'.

Example: Lava-man becomes rich by implementing a rock-solid business plan that sells high, while buying low.

Literally everything you posted is rock dust. There is zero detail there that separates Harris from Biden. Is that a feature or a bug?

What exactly will she "do"? "Be Best" is a better plan than what you provided, above.
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Lava-Man knows all about AI, doesn't he?

Lava-Man can go pound rocks when Lava-Man wants all the details from one candidate while Lava-Man's preferred candidate can't come close to answering this softest of softball questions during a Townhall in Detroit. High irony that all Trump had to do was say his favorite word, tariffs, and it would have been enough. Nope, let's talk about a nonexistent award he didn't get twenty years ago instead.

Lava-Man would feel shame if Lava-Man were capable. But like his candidate, shame and Lava-Man are not acquainted.

 
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willdup said:
Lava-Man knows all about AI, doesn't he?

Lava-Man can go pound rocks when Lava-Man wants all the details from one candidate while Lava-Man's preferred candidate can't come close to answering this softest of softball questions during a Townhall in Detroit. High irony that all Trump had to do was say his favorite word, tariffs, and it would have been enough. Nope, let's talk about a nonexistent award he didn't get twenty years ago instead.

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So angry, sir (also, your answer is deflection....please respond to the questions I asked....but, I know you can't because "your preferred candidate" has offered nothing.)

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willdup said:
The response that Trump is lying about, just like he lies about everything else? Funny, Kemp seemed perfectly happy with Biden's response. Biden offered support and Kemp has to request it, which he didn't at that time.

So how exactly has the federal response fallen short?

“He just said, 'Hey, what do you need?'” Kemp told reporters. “And I told him, you know, we got what we need. We will work through the federal process.”

www.nbcnews.com

Trump falsely says Georgia's governor was unable to talk to Biden about storm damage

Republican Gov. Brian Kemp said President Joe Biden offered any help the state needs.
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I am telling you I was there. And no federal group was anywhere. No where to be found. That was my point. People are frustrated. It was part of the local news down there too. Sorry. I am sure kemp got a hold of him. But just like everything else in this administration, it is half assed. The man is sitting on a beach while people are suffering. If the response is slow for people under his watch, he should be busting their ass will. Period.

That is why he got angry several times when people called him out on it. I don’t want to hear he was briefed. How bout an explanation of what he is going to do. Not some cliche that even the media is sick to death of hearing from him and Kamala.
 
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So angry, sir (also, your answer is deflection....please respond to the questions I asked....but, I know you can't because your preferred candidate has offered nothing.)

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Not angry, laughing actually. Trump's only detailed plan is Project 2025, which he swears up and down he knows nothing about. So no, I'll opt out of the one-sided demand for details.
 
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I am telling you I was there. And no federal group was anywhere. No where to be found. That was my point. People are frustrated. It was part of the local news down there too. Sorry. I am sure kemp got a hold of him. But just like everything else in this administration, it is half assed. The man is sitting on a beach while people are suffering. If the response is slow for people under his watch, he should be busting their ass will. Period.

That is why he got angry several times when people called him out on it. I don’t want to hear he was briefed. How bout an explanation of what he is going to do. Not some cliche that even the media is sick to death of hearing from him and Kamala.
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No, Kemp didn't "get ahold" of him. Biden called him and Kemp couldn't take the call and called him back.

You still haven't said what Kemp requested that Biden hasn't delivered.

Trump tossed some paper towels in Puerto Rico and then waited three years to release the $13b aid package they desperately needed.

Trump also spent a lot of time (25 rounds) on the golf course during the first six months of covid as Americans were dying by the thousands. I'm sure you were outraged.
 
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No, Kemp didn't "get ahold" of him. Biden called him and Kemp couldn't take the call and called him back.

You still haven't said what Kemp requested that Biden hasn't delivered.

Trump tossed some paper towels in Puerto Rico and then waited three years to release the $13b aid package they desperately needed.

Trump also spent a lot of time (25 rounds) on the golf course during the first six months of covid as Americans were dying by the thousands. I'm sure you were outraged.
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Everyone is riding his ass about the response. I am sure he wants the response to be helpful, but instead of being sure it is he is sitting in a beach. 130 people dead at last count and we have barely heard from him. If you don’t think that is embarrassing I don’t have the words. This is a massive emergency and he is not treating it that way. Period. I saw it firsthand.
 
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For shits and giggles, I posed the question to Perplexity just to see what we would get.

Perplexity prompt: does trump or harris have a more detailed economic plan

Donald Trump's Economic Plan​

Kamala Harris's Economic Plan​

Comparison of Detail​

  • Trump's Plan:
    • While Trump's plan includes several specific proposals regarding taxes and tariffs, it is often framed in broad strokes without extensive detail on implementation or potential impacts. His proposals are heavily focused on tax reductions and tariffs but may lack depth in addressing systemic issues such as economic inequality or long-term sustainability.
  • Harris's Plan:
    • Harris's economic plan is more detailed regarding specific initiatives aimed at addressing various aspects of economic disparity. It includes actionable items with clear targets (like the number of housing units to be built) and a focus on regulatory changes that aim to create long-term solutions for economic challenges.

Conclusion​

Overall, Kamala Harris's economic plan appears to be more detailed, providing a broader range of specific initiatives aimed at addressing systemic issues in the economy. In contrast, while Donald Trump's plan includes significant proposals, it tends to focus more narrowly on tax cuts and tariffs without as much detail on implementation or broader socioeconomic impacts.
 
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willdup said:


For shits and giggles, I posed the question to Perplexity just to see what we would get.

Perplexity prompt: does trump or harris have a more detailed economic plan

Donald Trump's Economic Plan​

Kamala Harris's Economic Plan​

Comparison of Detail​

  • Trump's Plan:
    • While Trump's plan includes several specific proposals regarding taxes and tariffs, it is often framed in broad strokes without extensive detail on implementation or potential impacts. His proposals are heavily focused on tax reductions and tariffs but may lack depth in addressing systemic issues such as economic inequality or long-term sustainability.
  • Harris's Plan:
    • Harris's economic plan is more detailed regarding specific initiatives aimed at addressing various aspects of economic disparity. It includes actionable items with clear targets (like the number of housing units to be built) and a focus on regulatory changes that aim to create long-term solutions for economic challenges.

Conclusion​

Overall, Kamala Harris's economic plan appears to be more detailed, providing a broader range of specific initiatives aimed at addressing systemic issues in the economy. In contrast, while Donald Trump's plan includes significant proposals, it tends to focus more narrowly on tax cuts and tariffs without as much detail on implementation or broader socioeconomic impacts.
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Who wrote that. Absolutely idiotic. I promise you what she is proposing will not work. The same way I told you what Biden was proposing wouldn’t work. Her economic approval rating will be worse than Biden’s if she becomes president. And his is the worst ever.

Did you notice how she dropped the word equal out of her equal opportunity economy. To an opportunity economy. Why did she do that?
 
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Everyone is riding his ass about the response. I am sure he wants the response to be helpful, but instead of being sure it is he is sitting in a beach. 130 people dead at last count and we have barely heard from him. If you don’t think that is embarrassing I don’t have the words. This is a massive emergency and he is not treating it that way. Period. I saw it firsthand.
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You are conflating “everyone” with Trump, who is an inveterate liar, and MAGA media. That’s not everybody. Kemp and McMaster in SC have both praised Biden and the federal response.



 
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willdup said:


For shits and giggles, I posed the question to Perplexity just to see what we would get.

Perplexity prompt: does trump or harris have a more detailed economic plan

Donald Trump's Economic Plan​

Kamala Harris's Economic Plan​

Comparison of Detail​

  • Trump's Plan:
    • While Trump's plan includes several specific proposals regarding taxes and tariffs, it is often framed in broad strokes without extensive detail on implementation or potential impacts. His proposals are heavily focused on tax reductions and tariffs but may lack depth in addressing systemic issues such as economic inequality or long-term sustainability.
  • Harris's Plan:
    • Harris's economic plan is more detailed regarding specific initiatives aimed at addressing various aspects of economic disparity. It includes actionable items with clear targets (like the number of housing units to be built) and a focus on regulatory changes that aim to create long-term solutions for economic challenges.

Conclusion​

Overall, Kamala Harris's economic plan appears to be more detailed, providing a broader range of specific initiatives aimed at addressing systemic issues in the economy. In contrast, while Donald Trump's plan includes significant proposals, it tends to focus more narrowly on tax cuts and tariffs without as much detail on implementation or broader socioeconomic impacts.
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Jesus, Will. Get some help, pal. Her statements are self-serving and conclusory. She never explains how she will accomplish anything, not to mention the overall impact on a host of things like inflation and incentive or how 3M units will be constructed. Why hasn't she done anything before now, and why does she propose a top down economy when everyone knows it doesn't work?

Chicken in every pot.
 
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if you post another picture of me I will personally find you and kick your azz,
due to possible HIPPA violation.

 
atlanta cock# said:
Jesus, Will. Get some help, pal. Her statements are self-serving and conclusory. She never explains how she will accomplish anything, not to mention the overall impact on a host of things like inflation and incentive or how 3M units will be constructed. Why hasn't she done anything before now, and why does she propose a top down economy when everyone knows it doesn't work?

Chicken in every pot.
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Of the two candidates Harris is the only one with anything that resembles a plan...you may not like her plan but she had plans. Trump on the other hands has not plans just "concepts".

What's Trump's bill to secure the border?

What's Trump's bill to bring down inflation?

What's Trump's bill to bring down the cost of Healthcare?

To date the closets thing to a bill that he's proposed is yesterday by suggesting instituting a crime bill that resembles The Purge.

 
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willdup said:


For shits and giggles, I posed the question to Perplexity just to see what we would get.

Perplexity prompt: does trump or harris have a more detailed economic plan

Donald Trump's Economic Plan​

Kamala Harris's Economic Plan​

Comparison of Detail​

  • Trump's Plan:
    • While Trump's plan includes several specific proposals regarding taxes and tariffs, it is often framed in broad strokes without extensive detail on implementation or potential impacts. His proposals are heavily focused on tax reductions and tariffs but may lack depth in addressing systemic issues such as economic inequality or long-term sustainability.
  • Harris's Plan:
    • Harris's economic plan is more detailed regarding specific initiatives aimed at addressing various aspects of economic disparity. It includes actionable items with clear targets (like the number of housing units to be built) and a focus on regulatory changes that aim to create long-term solutions for economic challenges.

Conclusion​

Overall, Kamala Harris's economic plan appears to be more detailed, providing a broader range of specific initiatives aimed at addressing systemic issues in the economy. In contrast, while Donald Trump's plan includes significant proposals, it tends to focus more narrowly on tax cuts and tariffs without as much detail on implementation or broader socioeconomic impacts.
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These hypothetical wonky analyses of super experienced in all things business “Kamala Harris’ Plan” make me laugh.

Tarriffs - an effective way to negotiate trade with foreign countries to the benefit of Americans. It worked well in Trump’s first term. So well that Biden kept them in place and announced he was going to do more months ago. Now they are the devil because Trump said he will do more of the same? Bottom line he will use tariff rehetoric to negotiate a better deal for Americans to keep more jobs and products produced here. Foreign countries tariff us to death. Why wouldn’t we work to get a better deal. It is a negotiating tactic that the thousands of academics in Biden / Harris administration don’t understand because the only business they have practiced is teaching it in school
And working interest groups for votes. Academics.

Housing - “I am going to build 3 million units!” Really? How? The private sector builds units and the reason they aren’t building now is that interest rates, valuations, and higher construction costs make it super difficult to get debt and equity capital. Why? Because the fed had to jack rates in response to the inflation seen on this admin’s watch. Housing will get built again when rates and/or costs come down and the private sector builds housing again. Can anyone point to any government housing that isn’t part of some kind of section 8 or subsidized low income plan? 3 million units? I run a company that builds Multifamily housing. Ridiculous.

ILA strike - why do all these labor unions feel so emboldened to strike under this admin? Is it good for the economy? If so why is it that every manufacturing company is moving to right to work states to the benefit of those states and detriment to the blue states that left? Economic boom all around and the blue states have been losing businesses in droves due to democrat power grabs from unions. Just another example of political goals getting in the way of good capitalism that works for everyone.

I would stick to the issues of Trump being an asshole unfit to serve in his style. Because on substance like the economy he is proven. And in general his policy means less regulation that boosts production and takes the reins off of smart business leaders in the private sector. Who I guarantee know a lot more about what works than the thousands of academics Biden / Harris / Obama value so much that they fill up their admin with exclusively.

It is not complicated. On the issue of the economy, I would prefer the decision-makers in government to be folks who actually know something firsthand about building businesses, employing people, and being successful.

The constant political and social goals that seemingly take priority in a left leading government over legitimate business and capitalist goals act has handcuffs to our economy.

It is a “weird” concept but I would like experienced / successful business people
In charge of business.
 
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It is not complicated. On the issue of the economy, I would prefer the decision-makers in government to be folks who actually know something firsthand about building businesses, employing people, and being successful.

It is a “weird” concept but I would like experienced / successful business people
In charge of business.
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Trump’s father bailed him out multiple times and left him around $413m in today’s dollars.

Can you name another supposed billionaire who has had as many bankruptcies as Trump?

1) multiple casinos.
2) charity shut down for fraud
3) truth social a smoking crater down 80%
4) Trump Steaks
5) Trump Airlines
6) Trump Vodka
7) Trump University shut down for fraud
8) GoTrump.com, a failed online travel agency
9) Trump: The Game
10) Trump Magazine
11) Trump Mortgage (started in ‘06)
12) Trump Ice

And now he’s slinging commemorative coins, books, watches and crypto to his benighted followers. He’s a joke of a business man who, if he hadn’t inherited so much money, would be selling timeshares down in Daytona Beach.

And Trump has very few direct employees. He’s always used contractors, and he admitted this week he stiffs his workers on overtime. Anyone in real estate in NY has known since the early ‘80s that he doesn’t pay his contractors, which is why Trump has been involved in more than 4000 lawsuits in his life, which is a simply staggering number.

So no, I don’t think his business acumen is a reason to vote for him. Quite the opposite.
 
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Trump’s father bailed him out multiple times and left him around $413m in today’s dollars.

Can you name another supposed billionaire who has had as many bankruptcies as Trump?

1) multiple casinos.
2) charity shut down for fraud
3) truth social a smoking crater down 80%
4) Trump Steaks
5) Trump Airlines
6) Trump Vodka
7) Trump University shut down for fraud
8) GoTrump.com, a failed online travel agency
9) Trump: The Game
10) Trump Magazine
11) Trump Mortgage (started in ‘06)
12) Trump Ice

And now he’s slinging commemorative coins, books, watches and crypto to his benighted followers. He’s a joke of a business man who, if he hadn’t inherited so much money, would be selling timeshares down in Daytona Beach.

And Trump has very few direct employees. He’s always used contractors, and he admitted this week he stiffs his workers on overtime. Anyone in real estate in NY has known since the early ‘80s that he doesn’t pay his contractors, which is why Trump has been involved in more than 4000 lawsuits in his life, which is a simply staggering number.

So no, I don’t think his business acumen is a reason to vote for him. Quite the opposite.
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The commercial real estate business is one where foreclosures, "handing back the keys, etc." happen. Each venture / project is its' own business / LLC. And if the market crashes at a time when values go well below the loan balance, generally the bank will take the property back. If the standard of whether or not someone is a good businessman is whether or not some of their ventures failed, you can add Goldman, Blackstone, Berkshire Hathaway (Warren), etc, etc.

The "but there were bankruptcies" soundbyte may be cute politically, but ultimately it proves my point. People who know business.....particularly his business (as I do) know that every company has some tough projects that need to be worked out. Bottom line Trump built a very successful business, notwithstanding certain ventures in that business failing during macro-crashes in the real estate market. Like any company, Trump puts his own capital at risk, and so does the bank. In a scenario where his equity gets wiped out, the next tier of losses falls to the bank. That is how it works, and even the most successful real estate developers with prestine ethical reputations lost their ass in the early 90's, GFC, etc, etc.

Conversely, when you have guys like Jared Bernstein representing you as a guru economically, and literally cannot explain the plumbing behind how the Treasury and Fed work together to enact monetary policy, issue and buy bonds, etc......that is the direct result of overtly political people doing what they do. Hiring politicians to do the job that businesspeople need to do.
 
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You are conflating “everyone” with Trump, who is an inveterate liar, and MAGA media. That’s not everybody. Kemp and McMaster in SC have both praised Biden and the federal response.

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Will I am not talking about politicians standing in front of a camera begging and kissing ass for more money. Of course they won’t say anything. I haven’t heard one word trump has said about the issue. Not one. Been too busy dealing with it personally. I was there most of the day Sunday. I saw areas not touched by anyone. I saw people in serious distress. More have died. I saw this myself. I don’t need anyone to tell me different. I have so many friends I have talked to that are in distress. My parents are older. One lady was trapped in her house for two days. No response. I am pissed at the state level too.

All the reports ahead of time said the storm would just nick waycross. But it turned east and my folks weren’t prepared food wise. They had their normal amounts but they cook everything. With no power they had very little other than some sandwich stuff.

I am angry with the state response too. No one has helped a soul in my parents neighborhood. I could send you pictures that would freak you out. It is an old neighborhood with massive pines everywhere. I have never seen that many trees down in my life. There is one hanging wrapped in a power line. Looks like something off a movie set. Suspended 12 feet above the road. I had to drive under to get to my folks house. Anyone standing in front of a camera right now is full of shit. On both sides. They should be ashamed.
 
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The commercial real estate business is one where foreclosures, "handing back the keys, etc." happen. Each venture / project is its' own business / LLC. And if the market crashes at a time when values go well below the loan balance, generally the bank will take the property back. If the standard of whether or not someone is a good businessman is whether or not some of their ventures failed, you can add Goldman, Blackstone, Berkshire Hathaway (Warren), etc, etc.

The "but there were bankruptcies" soundbyte may be cute politically, but ultimately it proves my point. People who know business.....particularly his business (as I do) know that every company has some tough projects that need to be worked out. Bottom line Trump built a very successful business, notwithstanding certain ventures in that business failing during macro-crashes in the real estate market. Like any company, Trump puts his own capital at risk, and so does the bank. In a scenario where his equity gets wiped out, the next tier of losses falls to the bank. That is how it works, and even the most successful real estate developers with prestine ethical reputations lost their ass in the early 90's, GFC, etc, etc.

Conversely, when you have guys like Jared Bernstein representing you as a guru economically, and literally cannot explain the plumbing behind how the Treasury and Fed work together to enact monetary policy, issue and buy bonds, etc......that is the direct result of overtly political people doing what they do. Hiring politicians to do the job that businesspeople need to do.
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Only item #1 was real estate development oriented, and even those were more about his failed efforts to own and operate casinos than it was his ability to profitably develop real estate projects.

All of the rest were failed business or charity projects that had nothing to do with his role as a developer.

I agree, plenty of developers apply strategic use of bankruptcy when projects go sideways. That doesn't change the fact that Trump has a horrible, decades-long reputation for not paying his bills, even on profitable projects, or the fact that he's been involved in so many lawsuits.
 
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Will I am not talking about politicians standing in front of a camera begging and kissing ass for more money. Of course they won’t say anything. I haven’t heard one word trump has said about the issue. Not one. Been too busy dealing with it personally. I was there most of the day Sunday. I saw areas not touched by anyone. I saw people in serious distress. More have died. I saw this myself. I don’t need anyone to tell me different. I have so many friends I have talked to that are in distress. My parents are older. One lady was trapped in her house for two days. No response. I am pissed at the state level too.

All the reports ahead of time said the storm would just nick waycross. But it turned east and my folks weren’t prepared food wise. They had their normal amounts but they cook everything. With no power they had very little other than some sandwich stuff.

I am angry with the state response too. No one has helped a soul in my parents neighborhood. I could send you pictures that would freak you out. It is an old neighborhood with massive pines everywhere. I have never seen that many trees down in my life. There is one hanging wrapped in a power line. Looks like something off a movie set. Suspended 12 feet above the road. I had to drive under to get to my folks house. Anyone standing in front of a camera right now is full of shit. On both sides. They should be ashamed.
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I'm sorry you are personally dealing with the impact of Helene. It was a horrible storm and the maps of power-outages that runs from FL to OH really communicates the size and scale of this hurricane. I don't know that we have ever seen a single storm cause this much destruction across such a wide area.

Unfortunately, we better get used to it. Warmer water and warmer air will to continue to lead to bigger and more destructive storms and as folks in the NC and TN mountains can tell us, there is no such thing as a safe zone.

I'll be sending good thoughts to your family and all of the people impacted by this storm. We have some torn up docks, and a buddy of mine in the salvage business is busy with a lot of sunken boats, but overall, we got off very easy in the low country.

 
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Will I am not talking about politicians standing in front of a camera begging and kissing ass for more money. Of course they won’t say anything. I haven’t heard one word trump has said about the issue. Not one. Been too busy dealing with it personally. I was there most of the day Sunday. I saw areas not touched by anyone. I saw people in serious distress. More have died. I saw this myself. I don’t need anyone to tell me different. I have so many friends I have talked to that are in distress. My parents are older. One lady was trapped in her house for two days. No response. I am pissed at the state level too.

All the reports ahead of time said the storm would just nick waycross. But it turned east and my folks weren’t prepared food wise. They had their normal amounts but they cook everything. With no power they had very little other than some sandwich stuff.

I am angry with the state response too. No one has helped a soul in my parents neighborhood. I could send you pictures that would freak you out. It is an old neighborhood with massive pines everywhere. I have never seen that many trees down in my life. There is one hanging wrapped in a power line. Looks like something off a movie set. Suspended 12 feet above the road. I had to drive under to get to my folks house. Anyone standing in front of a camera right now is full of shit. On both sides. They should be ashamed.
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Over the past seven years, Georgia has seen an increase in the number of named storms that have hit . These storms have been more devastating with flooding, widespread power outages, and it feels like we're dealing with them more frequent and intense storms every year.

Take Hurricane Michael in 2018 for example. That was a real game-changer for Georgia. Michael made landfall in the Florida Panhandle as a Category 5 storm and quickly moved into Georgia, causing severe damage. South Georgia, in particular, got hit hard, with the agricultural industry suffering billions in losses, especially to cotton, peanuts, and pecans. That storm also destroyed homes and infrastructure, leaving thousands without power for days. It's crazy to think about because you don’t expect hurricane-force winds so far inland.

Then there’s Hurricane Irma in 2017. That storm didn’t even make a direct hit on Georgia, but it still caused chaos. People evacuated in droves, and parts of coastal Georgia were flooded. It was like the entire state shut down for days, and the power grid struggled to keep up. Even in metro Atlanta, we saw strong winds that knocked down trees and caused power outages. It was a reminder that even if a storm doesn’t directly target us, we can still feel the effects in a big way.

Then take Tropical Storm Fred in 2021 caused significant flooding in North Georgia. Even though it wasn’t as powerful as a hurricane, it dumped a ton of rain, and communities near rivers had to deal with flooding and damage to homes and roads. The storm might not have gotten the same attention as some of the bigger hurricanes, but for the people affected, it was a huge deal.

What’s frustrating is that this seems to be part of a larger trend. Whether you believe it or not due to climate change storms are becoming more frequent and more intense. Georgia’s always dealt with tropical systems to some extent, but it feels like the past few years have been particularly rough. And it’s not just the coastal areas or the southern part of the state. Even places that are pretty far inland are seeing more damage from storms than we’re used to. The increase in named storms has had a real impact, not just in terms of property damage and economic losses, but also on the day-to-day lives of people who live here.

It’s something the state and people have to keep an eye on because, at this rate, it doesn’t seem like things are going to slow down anytime soon. If anything, Georgia needs to be more prepared for storms and their aftereffects in the future. It’s not just a coastal problem anymore.

My brother and I had to beg my mom and step father to finally leave and try find somewhere safer. They are too old to be dealing with down trees in the yard and no electricity for weeks on end. We need to stop making the climate and environment a political issue this thing is real and something has to be done.
 
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Only item #1 was real estate development oriented, and even those were more about his failed efforts to own and operate casinos than it was his ability to profitably develop real estate projects.

All of the rest were failed business or charity projects that had nothing to do with his role as a developer.

I agree, plenty of developers apply strategic use of bankruptcy when projects go sideways. That doesn't change the fact that Trump has a horrible, decades-long reputation for not paying his bills, even on profitable projects, or the fact that he's been involved in so many lawsuits.
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Any operating businesses are going to have ventures or product lines that fail. The larger point is that like him or not, he grew his startup capitalization 10x.

If he didn't pay his bills, his buildings would be lien'd to death. And that wouldn't be sustainable. His GC's wouldn't bid on his projects. I don't doubt that the guy pushes the envelope with his style, and to be clear, I probably wouldn't want to do business with him.

But if you ask me, as an American, do I want an asshole with a reputation of being a tough ass negotiator, who built a successful real estate empire, representing my interests and the interests of Americans? Or do I want a lifetime politician (yes, even her legal career was clearly part of a scripted path towards political power) with seemingly zero experience in business, and a track record for taking whatever position seems most popular at the time to whoever she is trying to win over for further political power / votes? I'll take the asshole business man with an actual track record of success both in the private sector and economically in terms of broad based prosperity across income classes, races, small and big business, etc, etc.
 
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shonuff253 said:
Of the two candidates Harris is the only one with anything that resembles a plan...you may not like her plan but she had plans. Trump on the other hands has not plans just "concepts".

What's Trump's bill to secure the border?

What's Trump's bill to bring down inflation?

What's Trump's bill to bring down the cost of Healthcare?

To date the closets thing to a bill that he's proposed is yesterday by suggesting instituting a crime bill that resembles The Purge.

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Trump isn't President. But when he was the border was secure.

Trump isn't President. But when he was inflation wasn't an issue.

Trump isn't President. But when he was he correctly stated Obamacare increased costs.

Trump isn't President. But when he was there were no wars.

DEI is BS.

Trump will be 47.
 
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Over the past seven years, Georgia has seen an increase in the number of named storms that have hit . These storms have been more devastating with flooding, widespread power outages, and it feels like we're dealing with them more frequent and intense storms every year.

Take Hurricane Michael in 2018 for example. That was a real game-changer for Georgia. Michael made landfall in the Florida Panhandle as a Category 5 storm and quickly moved into Georgia, causing severe damage. South Georgia, in particular, got hit hard, with the agricultural industry suffering billions in losses, especially to cotton, peanuts, and pecans. That storm also destroyed homes and infrastructure, leaving thousands without power for days. It's crazy to think about because you don’t expect hurricane-force winds so far inland.

Then there’s Hurricane Irma in 2017. That storm didn’t even make a direct hit on Georgia, but it still caused chaos. People evacuated in droves, and parts of coastal Georgia were flooded. It was like the entire state shut down for days, and the power grid struggled to keep up. Even in metro Atlanta, we saw strong winds that knocked down trees and caused power outages. It was a reminder that even if a storm doesn’t directly target us, we can still feel the effects in a big way.

Then take Tropical Storm Fred in 2021 caused significant flooding in North Georgia. Even though it wasn’t as powerful as a hurricane, it dumped a ton of rain, and communities near rivers had to deal with flooding and damage to homes and roads. The storm might not have gotten the same attention as some of the bigger hurricanes, but for the people affected, it was a huge deal.

What’s frustrating is that this seems to be part of a larger trend. Whether you believe it or not due to climate change storms are becoming more frequent and more intense. Georgia’s always dealt with tropical systems to some extent, but it feels like the past few years have been particularly rough. And it’s not just the coastal areas or the southern part of the state. Even places that are pretty far inland are seeing more damage from storms than we’re used to. The increase in named storms has had a real impact, not just in terms of property damage and economic losses, but also on the day-to-day lives of people who live here.

It’s something the state and people have to keep an eye on because, at this rate, it doesn’t seem like things are going to slow down anytime soon. If anything, Georgia needs to be more prepared for storms and their aftereffects in the future. It’s not just a coastal problem anymore.

My brother and I had to beg my mom and step father to finally leave and try find somewhere safer. They are too old to be dealing with down trees in the yard and no electricity for weeks on end. We need to stop making the climate and environment a political issue this thing is real and something has to be done.
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I will agree that the weather and severity of storms seems to be changing quickly. The most conservative person I know an hour ago said god is sending us a message with all of this flooding. Whether you believe in the science of it or not it doesn’t matter. In my business things like this are happening more rapidly. No way to deny that. Now why and the science behind it. Is always conflicting. I doubt we can actually do a whole lot to stop anything that is going to happen from happening as well. That is a much bigger topic. I will meet you in the middle there.

That being said, I went thru the same thing with my father about leaving. He would not leave. I told him I am driving down there to get mom. If you want to stay alone in the dark, that is up to you. It was 90 degrees in their house. Easily. And pitch black. Their house doesn’t let in much light. My mom was a pool of sweat and so was he. They sat in the car to get air conditioning. Still he wanted to wait it out. I told him the power is 5-10 days out. At least. And got down there and gave him no choice. So stubborn. It was heartbreaking to see my old neighborhood blown up. It looked like the set of a movie about tornadoes. It was insane. My old house had five trees on top of it. We moved within the same neighborhood when I was 12. The two houses next door were covered by multiple huge trees. The park where I spent so much time right next door had 30 trees down at least. Huge trees. No one had touched it yet, and it was Sunday two days later. There is no internet down there so no one in waycross is chiming in.
 
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I am no economic genius but

That $25K credit for first time home buyers is nuts. That sounds good on the surface, but long term that has to drive the price of homes even further higher
 
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willdup said:
Only a racist would claim that that tweet isn’t racist. They are here legally, they are valued as good workers by local factory owners and they aren’t eating anyone’s pets.

The lightly veiled threat of what will happen if they don’t flee the country by January 20th is old school, KKK style intimidation. It’s disgusting and reprehensible, as is Clay Higgins and anyone who supports what he said.
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Only a racist would find Higgins comments racist.
 
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Only a racist would find Higgins comments racist.
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Telling hatians they need to "get their ass out of our country" feels a little racist...

Especially when they are here legally. They are being treated as subhuman/lesser than.

A thought exercise:

Approximately 164k EU citizens immigrated to the US in 2022….roughly 14% of all immigrants that year. That is a number that is lower but within range of the Haitian immigrants that have been given TPS (210k-220k). Where is Higgins hand wringing over them? Or Vance? Or trump? Or MAGA? I think I can guess why...
 
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jlstone412 said:
Telling hatians they need to "get their ass out of our country" feels a little racist...

Especially when they are here legally. They are being treated as subhuman/lesser than.

A thought exercise:

Approximately 164k EU citizens immigrated to the US in 2022….roughly 14% of all immigrants that year. That is a number that is lower but within range of the Haitian immigrants that have been given TPS (210k-220k). Where is Higgins hand wringing over them? Or Vance? Or trump? Or MAGA? I think I can guess why...
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There may be a shred of truth on what you suggest might be in play about the handwringing of the Hatians from some people. The difference is that the Hatians seem to be very concentrated into a handful of communities, creating an impact that can be felt in terms of jobs and benefits going disproportionately to their new neighbors.

The EU is a continent without looking it up probably 50x the population of Haiti. And those 164k are likely spread throughout the country with no rhyme or reason.

Apples and oranges.

To your point, it isn't the Hatians fault that they were granted assylum under a controversial program that one party created and another party opposes. Not fair to blame them. But totally fair to blame the administration making them legal. Don't know what the genesis of this program was, but it wouldn't surprise me if it was rooted in response to the now proven flawed outrage from the pictures of the border patrol on horseback attempting to stop illegal crossings of Hatians.
 
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There may be a shred of truth on what you suggest might be in play about the handwringing of the Hatians from some people. The difference is that the Hatians seem to be very concentrated into a handful of communities, creating an impact that can be felt in terms of jobs and benefits going disproportionately to their new neighbors.

The EU is a continent without looking it up probably 50x the population of Haiti. And those 164k are likely spread throughout the country with no rhyme or reason.

Apples and oranges.

To your point, it isn't the Hatians fault that they were granted assylum under a controversial program that one party created and another party opposes. Not fair to blame them. But totally fair to blame the administration making them legal. Don't know what the genesis of this program was, but it wouldn't surprise me if it was rooted in response to the now proven flawed outrage from the pictures of the border patrol on horseback attempting to stop illegal crossings of Hatians.
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The TPS program that makes the Haitians legal immigrants was created in 1990 during the first Bush administration.

Ive not heard of it being a controversial program until very recently, but I may have missed earlier concerns.
 
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jlstone412 said:
Telling hatians they need to "get their ass out of our country" feels a little racist...

Especially when they are here legally. They are being treated as subhuman/lesser than.

A thought exercise:

Approximately 164k EU citizens immigrated to the US in 2022….roughly 14% of all immigrants that year. That is a number that is lower but within range of the Haitian immigrants that have been given TPS (210k-220k). Where is Higgins hand wringing over them? Or Vance? Or trump? Or MAGA? I think I can guess why...
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I was talking to Will for calling anyone who doesn't think Higgins is a racist a racist. The left finds racism in everyone they disagree with. You can disagree with the way Haitians were brought in even while under legal means. You can also see that there is a huge problem with dumping 20,000 in a small community. America is facing a major recession and Americans are hurting. Importing large numbers of migrantsin is a bad idea and it is not racist to think that. With AI advancing as rapidly as it is we are going to be replacing millions of non skilled workers via AI over the next few years. Then what do we do with them? We could have spent far less money fixing Haiti than we are spending and will spend on bringing them in, housing and feeding...
 
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Especially when they are here legally.
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willdup said:
The TPS program that makes the Haitians legal immigrants was created in 1990 during the first Bush administration.

Ive not heard of it being a controversial program until very recently, but I may have missed earlier concerns.
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Hmmm. Not "legal" immigrants, otherwise they would not need TPS. 'Normal' immigration process not followed. A temporary status, after which they are here illegally if not deported. Technicality? Maybe. But, as you know, "If Iron and Calcite were Granite and Dacite, we'd all have a Merry Rockmas".

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It is the increase of TPS use the past 4 years in a "non-temporary" manner. TPS from Haiti alone has increased massively from '20 to '24 (55,000 to 309,000), mixed with the other large numbers of illegals flooding in all across the country (and not just border states) which makes all of it controversial and one of the top campaign issues.

You may read all of this and more in TPS reports all across the intertubes, with appropriate cover sheets and all.

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Hmmm. Not "legal" immigrants, otherwise they would not need TPS. 'Normal' immigration process not followed. A temporary status, after which they are here illegally if not deported. Technicality? Maybe. But, as you know, "If Iron and Calcite were Granite and Dacite, we'd all have a Merry Rockmas".

Full House 90S Tv GIF


It is the increase of TPS use the past 4 years in a "non-temporary" manner. TPS from Haiti alone has increased massively from '20 to '24 (55,000 to 309,000), mixed with the other large numbers of illegals flooding in all across the country (and not just border states) which makes all of it controversial and one of the top campaign issues.

You may read all of this and more in TPS reports all across the intertubes, with appropriate cover sheets and all.

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Sorry Lana-Man, but that’s a load. People here under TPS are here legally. It is correct that there is no direct path to citizenship and that, baring successful application to some other program or status they must leave once TOS expires, but that doesn’t mean that they aren’t here legally.
 
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