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So???….again, what crime did Trump commit??
We'll find out won't we. For the time being you can read about the charges in regard to the trial. But you knew that and just won't accept that because it's more "political prosecution" right?
 
So???….again, what crime did Trump commit??

18 U.S. Code § 2384 - Seditious conspiracy​


If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 808; July 24, 1956, ch. 678, § 1, 70 Stat. 623; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(1)(N), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2148.)
 
We'll find out won't we. For the time being you can read about the charges in regard to the trial. But you knew that and just won't accept that because it's more "political prosecution" right?
“Accept” what, whether there may or may not be a crime committed by Trump?

My mind is open…..not ready to convict him just yet. Again, what is it I should accept?
 
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18 U.S. Code § 2384 - Seditious conspiracy​


If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 808; July 24, 1956, ch. 678, § 1, 70 Stat. 623; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(1)(N), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2148.)
My God, man, you have taken leave of your senses.
 

18 U.S. Code § 2384 - Seditious conspiracy​


If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 808; July 24, 1956, ch. 678, § 1, 70 Stat. 623; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(1)(N), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2148.)
You have nothing but air.

You are the one that used the words “perpetrated“ and “seditious conspiracy” (Trump)…Pretty careless don’t you think?

Playing lawyer makes you look silly.

JAWAG here, but I doubt you have ever seen the inside of a college classroom. If you have, I’d ask for a refund.

If he has indeed committed a crime and he has been found guilty, he should pay.

All you have right now are just speculations, assumptions and dreams of Trump being found guilty of something…..just anything. You appear to be consumed by it all. With a propensity to cut and paste some BS you found on the internet.


Oh well, your life….spend it the way you want.
 
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You have nothing but air.

You are the one that used the words “perpetrated“ and “seditious conspiracy” (Trump)…Pretty careless don’t you think?

Playing lawyer makes you look silly.

JAWAG here, but I doubt you have ever seen the inside of a college classroom. If you have, I’d ask for a refund.

If he has indeed committed a crime and he has been found guilty, he should pay.

All you have right now are just speculations, assumptions and dreams of Trump being found guilty of something…..just anything. You appear to be consumed by it all. With a propensity to cut and paste some BS you found on the internet.


Oh well, your life….spend it the way you want.
After Trump cleans house the new G Men gonna knock on Chat door asking if we got a Chopdawg in here.
 
So???….again, what crime did Trump commit??
Not to mention

923. 18 U.S.C. § 371—Conspiracy to Defraud the United States​

The general conspiracy statute, 18 U.S.C. § 371, creates an offense "f two or more persons conspire either to commit any offense against the United States, or to defraud the United States, or any agency thereof in any manner or for any purpose.

And also, what about

Obstruction Of Pending Proceeding -- 18 U.S.C. 1505​

Forbids anyone from corruptly, or by threats of force or by any threatening communication, influencing, obstructing, or impeding any pending proceeding before a department or agency of the United States, or Congress.
 
After Trump cleans house the new G Men gonna knock on Chat door asking if we got a Chopdawg in here.
HA!…..hope not, just think he is being a little careless/presumptuous. Besides, we need all the posters we can get….maybe 😉
 
Not to mention

923. 18 U.S.C. § 371—Conspiracy to Defraud the United States​

The general conspiracy statute, 18 U.S.C. § 371, creates an offense "f two or more persons conspire either to commit any offense against the United States, or to defraud the United States, or any agency thereof in any manner or for any purpose.

And also, what about


Obstruction Of Pending Proceeding -- 18 U.S.C. 1505

Forbids anyone from corruptly, or by threats of force or by any threatening communication, influencing, obstructing, or impeding any pending proceeding before a department or agency of the United States, or Congress.
Did I miss their charging him with one or more of these crimes? Do you believe if there was even a remote chance of one of those charges sticking the petty, small democrats would not charge him?
 
After Trump cleans house the new G Men gonna knock on Chat door asking if we got a Chopdawg in here.
LOL, I actually feel pretty safe.

If the G Men haven't already knocked on the Chat door in response to all the Chatters who've wished death upon Democrats, I think I'm OK.
 
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Did I miss their charging him with one or more of these crimes? Do you believe if there was even a remote chance of one of those charges sticking the petty, small democrats would not charge him?
You must have, Duck, because the last two are what the Federal Grand Jury charged The Donald with, last August.

And if the United States government had any cojones at all, he'd have been charged with seditious conspiracy also, and his trial would've been held in 2021, and he'd be behind bars right now, and the Republicans would've been forced to nominate somebody decent to run for Prez.
 
You must have, Duck, because the last two are what the Federal Grand Jury charged The Donald with, last August.

And if the United States government had any cojones at all, he'd have been charged with seditious conspiracy also, and his trial would've been held in 2021, and he'd be behind bars right now, and the Republicans would've been forced to nominate somebody decent to run for Prez.
OK. I admit I haven’t put the time in to follow all the trials.
 
You must have, Duck, because the last two are what the Federal Grand Jury charged The Donald with, last August.

And if the United States government had any cojones at all, he'd have been charged with seditious conspiracy also, and his trial would've been held in 2021, and he'd be behind bars right now, and the Republicans would've been forced to nominate somebody decent to run for Prez.
I see the indictment and charges now. It will be interesting to see if it ever makes it to trial.
 
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18 U.S. Code § 2384 - Seditious conspiracy​


If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 808; July 24, 1956, ch. 678, § 1, 70 Stat. 623; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(1)(N), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2148.)
how many have been charged with insurrection?
 
Can anyone help me understand why Greg Abbott would pardon this piece of shit murder and racist? What exact message does this send (I would argue it sends the exact same message that pardoning the violent J6 convicts would send).



How bout this round of Democrat justice? How is the weather up there on your pedestal? Holy smokes. Got a witness using me too rhetoric by instruction from Bragg, while he cuts loose of the conviction with the leading case/cause of the me too movement. You honestly can’t make this shit up.

Your OP fella had an argument against his guilt. Not sure what argument Harvey had.
 
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Are you saying it's not political prosecution? Do you think the Bragg or Fani prosecutions are political?
He got indicted for crimes; that's how our legal system works. That's all I need to know. Now it's up to the courts to decide if he is guilty. Are you concerned he's not innocent?
 
He got indicted for crimes; that's how our legal system works. That's all I need to know. Now it's up to the courts to decide if he is guilty. Are you concerned he's not innocent?
But you would agree that if it's political, like if the DA who indicted and now prosecutes the case is motivated by political reasons, then it's not how our legal system should work, correct?

Once it crosses to political, innocence or guilt doesn't really matter.
 
But you would agree that if it's political, like if the DA who indicted and now prosecutes the case is motivated by political reasons, then it's not how our legal system should work, correct?

Once it crosses to political, innocence or guilt doesn't really matter.
Plenty of DAs running for office are motivated by that. It's how the legal system works as I said. A lot of things happen in regard to trials that I don't agree with, but that's how it goes. One of the principles is supposed to be jury of your peers. Worked back in Ole England, but there is not such thing.

Your last sentence is nonsense. We still need a declaration of innocence or guilt in the court and the DA doesn't get a vote. And we do have an appeal process if there is a problem with the trial.

I don't think trying to defend Trump over this is a good look.
 
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Plenty of DAs running for office are motivated by that. It's how the legal system works as I said. A lot of things happen in regard to trials that I don't agree with, but that's how it goes. One of the principles is supposed to be jury of your peers. Worked back in Ole England, but there is not such thing.

Your last sentence is nonsense. We still need a declaration of innocence or guilt in the court and the DA doesn't get a vote. And we do have an appeal process if there is a problem with the trial.

I don't think trying to defend Trump over this is a good look.
I don’t believe anyone on the chat gives a shit what you think.
 
Plenty of DAs running for office are motivated by that. It's how the legal system works as I said. A lot of things happen in regard to trials that I don't agree with, but that's how it goes. One of the principles is supposed to be jury of your peers. Worked back in Ole England, but there is not such thing.

Your last sentence is nonsense. We still need a declaration of innocence or guilt in the court and the DA doesn't get a vote. And we do have an appeal process if there is a problem with the trial.

I don't think trying to defend Trump over this is a good look.
Plenty of DAs are now running motivated by that, often funded by Soros. Where I come from DAs were motivated by fighting crime and upholding rule of law, and would bend over backwards to avoid politics and any appearance of impropriety. No more. When you have lawyers and judges who don't care about that anymore then we shall see how that turns out....like those in NY, both civil and criminal. You think due process (and juries of peers) have a chance in hell with NY judges and DAs. We will see what happens with appeals, but it should never have to get to that level...in America
 
Plenty of DAs running for office are motivated by that. It's how the legal system works as I said. A lot of things happen in regard to trials that I don't agree with, but that's how it goes. One of the principles is supposed to be jury of your peers. Worked back in Ole England, but there is not such thing.

Your last sentence is nonsense. We still need a declaration of innocence or guilt in the court and the DA doesn't get a vote. And we do have an appeal process if there is a problem with the trial.

I don't think trying to defend Trump over this is a good look.
But just to go back...you think it's okay that these prosecutions are politically motivated?
 
Criminal charges:

  • Approximately 510 defendants have been charged with assaulting, resisting, or impeding officers or employees, including approximately 133 individuals who have been charged with using a deadly or dangerous weapon or causing serious bodily injury to an officer.
    • Approximately 140 police officers were assaulted on Jan. 6 at the Capitol, including about 80 from the U.S. Capitol Police and about 60 from the Metropolitan Police Department.
  • Approximately 11 individuals have been arrested on a series of charges that relate to assaulting a member of the media, or destroying their equipment, on Jan. 6.
  • Approximately 1,334 defendants have been charged with entering or remaining in a restricted federal building or grounds. Of those, 127 defendants have been charged with entering a restricted area with a dangerous or deadly weapon.
  • Approximately 79 defendants have been charged with destruction of government property, and approximately 62 defendants have been charged with theft of government property.
  • More than 355 defendants have been charged with corruptly obstructing, influencing, or impeding an official proceeding, or attempting to do so.
  • Approximately 57 defendants have been charged with conspiracy, either: (a) conspiracy to obstruct a congressional proceeding, (b) conspiracy to obstruct law enforcement during a civil disorder, (c) conspiracy to injure an officer, or (d) some combination of the three.
Sounds pretty peaceful to me. This does not happen without Trump.
LOL
 


How bout this round of Democrat justice? How is the weather up there on your pedestal? Holy smokes. Got a witness using me too rhetoric by instruction from Bragg, while he cuts loose of the conviction with the leading case/cause of the me too movement. You honestly can’t make this shit up.

Your OP fella had an argument against his guilt. Not sure what argument Harvey had.
Care to clarify what your point is, because I’ve read your post thee times now and I am unable to forgive it out?

I did just return from four days in Las Vegas for work so maybe I’m more dense than usual.
 
Care to clarify what your point is, because I’ve read your post thee times now and I am unable to forgive it out?

I did just return from four days in Las Vegas for work so maybe I’m more dense than usual.
Your op was about pardoning a guy or overturning a conviction. Of a guy you found to be an asshat. Well, Bragg just did the same thing. I am sure politics had nothing to do with it. Seemed pretty easy to connect the dots. It was more just me being amazed they could allow that to happen after what he did to so many young girls.

Where did you stay will? Love Vegas. Haven’t been there in a minute. Got to get back soon. Need some single deck blackjack time. Need to float down a lazy river or two, and lose my ass playing craps. Glad you made it back alive. Hope your wallet is intact.

Glad Biden hasn’t taken all your disposable income yet. :)
 
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Wow, that picture changed my world.

To see young families storming the Capital is unnerving. I would bet the stay at home mom’s in that pray at the dinner table and enjoy the freedoms of this country that are deplicted in that photo would rather be shoplifting for TV’s than protesting at the WH.

Yep, the picture changed my life.

And remember, that picture deplicts an impossible act. It is impossible to do it.

Without help.
 
Can anyone help me understand why Greg Abbott would pardon this piece of shit murder and racist? What exact message does this send (I would argue it sends the exact same message that pardoning the violent J6 convicts would send).

Conviction was overturned on the basis of the Texas “stand your ground” law, which the DA ignored. It has nothing to do with the guy’s character
 
Can anyone help me understand why Greg Abbott would pardon this piece of shit murder and racist? What exact message does this send (I would argue it sends the exact same message that pardoning the violent J6 convicts would send).

I’ve learned from the lefties that racism and anti-Semitism don’t matter anymore. They’ve taught me that MLK was FOS for believing in a colorblind society. So if a white guy kills a black guy, we’re cool.
 
I'm going to offer a mea culpa here

Clearly, I made snap comments having no real general sense of the case (jump to conclusions mat was in full effect)

Going to acknowledge my jackassery here and own it. Apologies.
Nice post. I had to own one yesterday regarding running my mouth about something i knew nothing about, so I’ll buy you a beer in the time out room.
 
Violent BLMers should absolutely be prosecuted to the fullest extent.

As for Jan 6th, anybody who crossed the lines set up by police was breaking the law. Anybody who was violent should absolutely be prosecuted to the fullest extent. People seem to be forgetting, Jan 6th was a crime against the United States, perpetrated by Donald Trump, the President and chief seditious conspirator.

Here's the U. S. Justice Dept's latest update on the prosecutions of Jan 6'ers:

In a functional country, Trump would be hung for treason.
 
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