O’Yesh, these ones too:
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Prima Facie Graft and Corruption - USAID
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O’Yesh, these ones too:
Forget prosecuting them. Clawback.
How do we know her net worth?
Agreed. Salary would be public. Net worth would be private. So how are people claiming to know this.
I’m definitely not trying to get in the way of a good rage fest, but I keep reminding people that at least half of what’s posted on Twitter is literally just made up and people seem to not remember
What's worse is that well more than half of what Elon Musk himself is posting these days is either a lie, a gross and intentional mischaracterization or highly inflammatory (obviously, many posts click all three boxes). This is particularly concerning given he is easily the second most powerful person in the country right now and has total control of what the X algorithms boost or bury.
There is literally not one scintilla of evidence to suggest that Elon is attempting to act in the best interest on the country right now.
Just ask the farmers who are facing bankruptcy because the $2b in USAID contracts for US agricultural products have been rescinded with no notice.
Or check in with the multitude of NIH- funded medical research projects and researchers that Elon unilaterally decided had no worth and shut down.
I could go on, but I don't have all day to chronicle all of the negative impacts we are seeing and will continue to see from the world's richest man and his group of programmers (not forensic accountants, programmers, which is telling) laying waste to programs with zero understanding of the impact of those decisions. In fact, the entire point is to make the outrage so overwhelming that it's difficult to know where to focus. It's working.
But don't be surprised when we discover the very real damage that Elon (and Trump, who is allowing it all to happen) are doing to the country. Ignorance is not an excuse.
To be fair, they have also already identified a ton of fraud and waste.
I believe the number is $2.8 trillion in spending that nobody has a record of. That does not include programs that are outside of the original scope of the organization.
Bottom line, Trump said he would do this when he was running, he won the election, and he’s doing what he said he would do. At a minimum, I respect him for saying who he is, and following through.
There will be collateral damage in the form of either un-intended or intended consequences of cutting "good" spending. It happens anytime a Company makes cuts.....in hindsight some bad cuts were made.
That said - Right now, the collateral damage of "business as usual" is hundreds of billions, if not $1T+ of yours and my money going to truly bullshit stuff. Someone needs to take a look under the hood, as any good organization would.
Ultimately, I predict that the collateral damage of trying to be a good fiduciary for Americans' hard-earned money will be less than 5% of the collateral damage we have now in the form of wasting our hard earned dough.
They have yet to identify a single dollar of fraud. Not $1. What they have uncovered is the legal allocation of funds that they disagree with and deem waste. There is a huge difference.
More lies from Trump and Elon. If you don't believe me, look it up and share any actual fraud that they have found. I suggest spending a few minutes to research anything from Trump or Musk if they are your primary source.
The DOD has failed seven consecutive audits, and many more than that in the past. I wonder how Elon's programmers are doing getting access to all of those systems.
I think you will be proven wrong and given the pace and the appearance of a total lack of a process or analysis from Musk and team, I suspect we won't have to wait that long to see.
Fraud or waste. Doesn’t make a difference to me. Any financial auditor will tell you that where there is questionable / wasteful spend, it is a recipe for fraud. Bottom line. I just want my dollars going to legit places. We need to cut spending. Don’t give a shit what they call it. Quit spending on bullshit.
We shall see. My bet is on a genius who is famously successful in everything he does versus the famously terrible efficiency and execution of the federal government. A terrible political hill to die on as well because 90 percent of Americans rightly believe a ton of government spending is terrible.
The difference matters. Rampant fraud is an excuse, not a valid excuse but an excuse, to skirt legal and constitutional safeguards and separation of powers. Waste does not provide even the false pretense of a justification for what Elon is doing.
This is exactly why we are being flooded with a tsunami of lies about fraud that they are not finding. It's an important part of the plan to get people to accept the breakdown of the constitutional order in the name of "the greater good".
Bottom line - like any organization the federal government needs a legit audit to get to a place where we can identify ways to save money - a win for everyone.
Fraud? Waste? Doesn’t matter to me. Cut it out. The disinformation I see is the fear mongering about how Musk is “stealing your information” or cutting Medicare or SS benefits. Or any direct payments to citizens whatsoever.
Aside from some legitimate concerns about how even legitimate layoffs affect good hard working people, and aside from Musk’s style, please tell me what DOGE is doing that is putting taxpayers at risk……relative to the benefit that cutting bullshit spend does for the taxpayer. Specific examples please of how this has hurt a specific taxpayer.
Well, I don’t think his programmers are going to do very well since I believe a judge just blocked their access, correct? But Trump said the department of Defence audit will begin next week. I believe that it will.
With all due respect, I think you are really splitting hairs on the word “fraud“. There is $2.8 trillion that is unaccounted for. Do I, or does anyone, have proof that it is fraud? No. But that’s not where the burden stands. I, as a taxpayer, would never have access to proof of fraud. The government must prove that they are spending things in a lawful, prudent way, and we have already identified that that is not happening. USAID failed for audits in a row. I believe the Pentagon has failed seven. You can say that that is not fraud, and you would be technically correct. But to completely mismanage an Organization to that level is really running up to the line where incompetence and fraud meet.
Honestly I think most of the expenditures could be classified as fraud. FEMA funds for illegal immigrant housing is fraud. SS funds to Ukraine is fraud. Chelsea siphoning funds is fraud. Funneling funds to left wing media is fraud. I consider most of the outrageous funding as fraud. Not to mention missing funds.
If this deficit doesn’t constitute a true national emergency, I don’t know what does. Looks like a majority of Americans agree.
I would love to help those in need at a greater level than ever before. Even those in need abroad. Not only is it the right thing to do, it absolutely makes us all stronger. I think most feel that way. But we have got to get our house in order first.
Call your house rep and your us senator. Vote them out if you don't like it. That's the appropriate response. Unplugging it like a damn video game is not the right approach (I agree with most here that spending is out of control).
These funds were lawfully appropriated by republicans in office, just as much as they were democrats (moreso even givne the Dems haven't controlled the purse since '22).
The senator and house rep have the power to allocate federal money. With that, you would think they would be interested in oversight, but they are not.
The executive branch, once allocated that money is responsible for executing that spend. That same executive branch has the power and now finally the will and skill to audit that spend.
To pretend like the only way you can legally impact whether or not our money goes to LGBTQ comic books is to call your elected representative is like saying the only way an officer in the military can order a subordinate to fire on an enemy is for that officer to be an elected representative.
Yeah, you tell the will. Just like they never uncovered an ounce of russia collusion by trump but YOU know he did it. Always believe the left and the msm and whoever tweets negative against trump right will??? LOL You sure come in hot when new embarrassing news comes in on your beloved liberal party. Yet I don't remember a thing you have been proven right on. Your whole party is an embarrassment to this country.
proven wrong like you have will,,,, russia russia russia nazi nazi nazi LMBO
too many blind voters like you that won't vote for someone that will actually work on the problem but will try to defeat them vocally everyday. Dims sure don't wont their gravy train stopped. The only thing they can do is give away money to buy votes. More than anything we need musk to point out all the waste and maybe fraud so people will understand where their hard earned tax dollars are going.
I don't care if congress approved budgets for usaid or not. If they are sending money to terrorist and to gay and transgender sesame street shows etc. CLOSE THEM DOWN NOW> start over and watch them closer.. You libs and dims don't care how our money is spent. Thats why we are so far in debt.
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And mind you, these are Social Security funds you paid into for retirement..,
And mind you, these are Social Security funds you paid into for retirement..,
Congress doesn't get a pass here. You need to care about the "waste fraud and abuse" that our reps have been approving. It's literally their job. If congress doesn't know what they are approving, then they all need to be fired. But I have a hard time believing they don't know.
Since 2011, there have been 4 years where democrats controlled the house, and only 2 of those years did they control both chambers (albeit SLIM majorities) and the presidency. This notion that "Dems give away money" is in and of itself a fraudulent statement, given that the republicans have basically controlled spending for the last decade and a half.
I don't know how much more oversight you can get when:
1: budgets are created at the executive agency level
2: they are reviewed and approved to be included in the Presidents budget submission to congress
3: multiple congressional committees exist to review and approve said budgets to determine how to appropriate funds
4: appropriated funds are then voted on in both chambers of Congress for approval
5: the president (who has veto power over approved budgets) signs into law said approved budgets.
6: congress maintains oversight of spending and can subpoena agencies to explain their spending decisions at any time.
But yet we want to bring in people who don't know what they are looking at, don't care about unintended consequences and don't have the authority to freeze spending. That's like bringing someone into your job who has no idea what you do and they are telling you they can do it better. It just doesn't work. Bad things are going to happen to good people (see farmers in Midwest).
You actually get a say in what your tax dollars are being spent on. And you determine every 2 years whether that person responsible for approving where your tax dollars go gets to keep their job. The executive branch, and Elon musk for that matter, is taking that power away from you...you just don't realize it.
Never said congress should get a pass and have never said pubs don't do wasteful spending. What I say is, DIMS ARE WORSE. I don't like any politicians but DIM POLITICANS ARE WORSE. Try the read below, its very interesting and infuriating at the same time. I just think you live in lala land and believe the folks in dc are there for our good. BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA You and will and celtic et al can whine and cry all you want about Trump trying to stop trillions in waste but it says something to me and MOST Americans that you anti Trump folks and dim pols are the ones UP IN ARMS about the waste and fraud being found. Maybe I missed it somewhere but I haven't seen any of you start a post about the waste being found... The only thing the TDS crowd can do is cry about it being found because its elon and trump.
Btw. All elon is doing is finding and pointing it out, he isn't actually making the cuts himself. I for one am excited and happy that a president and his admin are showing the American people just how wasteful and unfaithful their office the political crowd has been. Look at our debt..... HOW MUCH OF THAT IS FROM WASTE AND FRAUD? You just keep your head in the sand and fall in with maxine waters and aoc etc.
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Yeauh right
Truth is your party’s way of taking American tax dollars and illegally using it for their political gain, progressive ideologies, mis appropriation payments, and unbelievable wasteful spending is being exposed BIG TIME by DOGE ..none of this was transparent as you try to make it sound, or done in a bipartisan way…and you don’t like that it’s being out for everyone to see
These Departments being looked over and over show the same MO ….most would be unable to even pass an audit that a normal American citizen has to go through by the IRS, yet these agencies are in control of billions of dollars….there arent even characterization codes on most of their payments, unaccounted for blank checks going out like they grow on trees….it’s obvious to anyone with third grade intelligence that these departments are trying to hide their spending
IT REEKS OF FRAUD! We are sending out blank checks that no one can track, with no explanation
From USAID to Social Security, payments going to accounts with no identifiable information, payments going out to accounts that has a birthdate that’s 150 yrs old, payments going to terrorist organizations..I could go on and on …ZERO transparency that’s FINALLY being challenged …hilarious to watch the Dems shi+ their pants over this ..the gravy train, big govt waste, and Washington bureaucratic control is coming to an end!
COMMON SENSE REIGNS
'Designated terrorists': Extremist groups raked in millions from USAID, multiyear study reveals
The U.S. Agency for International Development provided millions of dollars to extremists groups tied to designated terrorist organizations, the Middle East Forum found.
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Funds allocated to USAID is not the same as USAID's internal decisions of where to spend said money. That falls under executive authority, which Trump has every right to change/adjust/or cease. Not liking the Executive Branch's decisions does not mean it is acting outside of it's delegated powers.
