Cue the "class warfare" whining and crying...
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/02/lloyd-blankfein-bernie-sanders-218689
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Sanders' Iowa showing has got the 1 percenters scared...
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Actually it has got the Republicans excited. As it signals a long, nasty war between the dem establishment and the young base of the democrat party. It is out in the open now. And the dem party is a mess. Wasserman-Shultz, the big money folks, even the Obama WH have lost control. The young folks, white and black hate Hillary. And the "flip truthers" are out in full force. A potentially fatally flawed Hillary vs a creepy, angry 75 year old socialist who is seemingly detached from reality. The dems are stuck with what they have got now. The best outcome for the party may have been a loss in Iowa followed by an overwhelming defeat in NH to the creep. That may have enticed Biden, Gore, Bloomberg or someone else into the fight to save the day. But Hillary's flippers slammed that window shut Monday. Clinton will never drop out simply because she has no place else to go. Hell you are not alone trying to wiggle off the Clinton wagon and looking for an alternative in the old perv...lol! You never say never but Hillary is the dem establishment candidate and only hope to hold the WH. And she has the look of a dead fish. They tried to hide her and slip her past the sight test and use crazy old Bernie as a foil. But like a dead fish she wound up stinking up the joint and can't be hidden or protected now. Cue the war on women, and all that whinning and crying! Over half the pop is female and many of them are victims right along with Hillary. Whoa! I can tell you the odds of the first Hispanic president of the USA (Rubio or Cruz) have went way up. Rubio is the choice of most of the moderate R's and most independents but Cruz has got some moxie and ground game. Race on........Maybe it's not too late to get Trump to switch parties and run as a dem, he has been a Hillary supporter in the past, and bring his blue collar, labor union base with him. He already hates the R establishment and Fox News plus they hate him so that's a leg up.
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The election of 2016 is going to play out eerily similar to 1964. The Dixiepublican rubes in the Solid South and Arizona will vote for the Reptilican candidate, the rest of the country will go for the Democratic candidate.
The media is getting worked up about Iowa and will get worked up even more about New Hampshire when Bernie wins there.
But Iowa caucus voters on the democrat side identified as 40% socialist. Bernie got less than 10% of the non-socialist voters. New Hampshire has similar numbers of self identified "socialists". But other than Vermont, that's not the case for any other state in the US.
Bernie's challenge will be to turn momentum from strong finishes in Iowa and New Hampshire into results in the following states... that are not almost completely white and weighted heavily with people who ARE in fact Socialist voters.
Nevada's democratic primary has a heavy Hispanic influence.
South Carolina's is generally won by whoever does best with black voters.
Then you have Super Tuesday... Alabama, Arkansas, Colorado, Georgia, Mass, Minnesota, Oklahoma, Tennessee, Texas, Vermont and Virginia.
To be honest... the only ones from that list I can see Bernie winning are Vermont... and maybe Minnesota or Mass.
Unless he gets momentum among minorities or more moderate democratic primary voters.
But Iowa caucus voters on the democrat side identified as 40% socialist. Bernie got less than 10% of the non-socialist voters. New Hampshire has similar numbers of self identified "socialists". But other than Vermont, that's not the case for any other state in the US.
Bernie's challenge will be to turn momentum from strong finishes in Iowa and New Hampshire into results in the following states... that are not almost completely white and weighted heavily with people who ARE in fact Socialist voters.
Nevada's democratic primary has a heavy Hispanic influence.
South Carolina's is generally won by whoever does best with black voters.
Then you have Super Tuesday... Alabama, Arkansas, Colorado, Georgia, Mass, Minnesota, Oklahoma, Tennessee, Texas, Vermont and Virginia.
To be honest... the only ones from that list I can see Bernie winning are Vermont... and maybe Minnesota or Mass.
Unless he gets momentum among minorities or more moderate democratic primary voters.
i have seen Bernie bumper stickers on cars driven by minorities in my area and also some Carson stickers on their cars ......who knows !
Minorities don't matter at all on the GOP side. They have about 1% of their primary votes coming from minorities. For the most part minorities don't take part in the GOP nominating process at all.
Iowa doesn't give us anything on race... because there are almost no minorities there. New Hampshire is similarly non-diverse.
Iowa did tell us some other things though. First, Bernie is bringing a lot of non-democrats into the party nominating process. Hillary won those who consider themselves "democrat" 56-39 in Iowa. Bernie won "independents" 69-26. Many primaries that happen later are closed... you have to be a registered democrat to take part. That suggests Bernie will struggle in those states.
Bernie won the "very liberal" voters 58-39. Hillary won "somewhat liberal" voters 50-44. Hillary won "moderate" voters 58-35. That suggests that outside of the pacific coast and new england, Hillary's appeal toward the middle will help her significantly.
Entrance polling asked about four "top issues". Those who's top issue was the economy, healthcare or terrorism all went for Clinton over Sanders. Sanders only won on "income inequality".
And of course the "funny one"... polling asked if the next president should have more liberal policies than obama, continue Obama's policies or have less liberal policies. Bernie won both the "more liberal" and "less liberal" votes, where Clinton got the "continue Obama's policies". The "less liberal" block was 7% of the voters... which tell you that's the conservatives who were just trying to caucus to derail Clinton.... because nobody thinks Bernie is less liberal than Obama (or Hillary).
Exactly, they have put all their money behind Hillary to continue the Obama regime loaded with corporate welfare and they are scared they will get $0 back on their investment. Bill and Hillary promised they had it handled but Bernie is screwing it up. Berning Hillary at the stake!
LOL, Pug's only hope on this planet is socialism. What a life!
Nobody likes the 1%ers. Nobody likes the Wall Street stereotypes. Screw those guys. Class warfare for me is when my neighbor thinks I have a 1,000 more in savings than he does and he allows himself to be sold on the idea that he deserves and I don't. That is the most damaging kind. It turns neighbors and family members against each other, when if they would just sit down and talk things over, they'd both want to throw EVERYONE out of DC and start over.
I like the way Bernie stirs that nasty, old, beltway rimmed cauldron. Not crazy about some of his ideas, but anybody who makes those burned out whores and clowns like McCain and Hillary nervous is okay by me. Establishment politics and business as usual in our nation's capitol is about 4 decades past their expiration dates and those back room crooks and shams are stinking up the entire country. They all talk about draining the swamp, but NONE of them are serious about cleaning up the stench of their Depends in that cesspool of a private play pen.
It ain't believing, it's knowing. Or have you forgotten how the elections of 2008 and 2012 turned out for the Reptilicans? Do you need a reminder?
The Koch brothers, Lloyd Blankfein and others of their ilk would love to turn neighbors and family members against one another.
You've said a lot of stupid shit. But this takes the cake. The ppl you support are the ones that practice identity politics. They're the ones that pit Americans agains each other. Liberals will always tell you who they are if you just listen
The democrats just point it out Rolo.
Look... it's not a democrat idea to identify people of a specific religion and deny them the ability to come to the US as refugees. That's a GOP idea... and that's identity politics.
It's not a democrat idea to have police "use their judgement" to determine if they suspect someone is an illegal immigrant and arrest them. That was a law passed by the GOP in Arizona... and it's identity politics because their judgement is based on skin color.
It's not the democrats defending police who feel threatened by black men and shoot them in self defense but rarely do the same with white suspects. The GOP defends those police officers... and it's based on the identity of the victims.
Pointing out bias is not causing the bias. It's bringing it to light. If you don't want to be called on it... stop doing it. This idea that if you don't talk about it then it will disappear is just dumb.
i guess all Soros wants is a " chicken in every pot " ????
Dear Lord.
Democrats actually locks up ppl of a different religion and faith during WWII. When you're at war, you take drastic actions. Muslims are the main cause of all the worlds problems. At some point you have to think of the Country and its citizens before letting your heart bleed all over itself. Look at what's happening in Europe with these savages? Its not identity politics, its National Security.
If cops can't " use their judgement" what's the point? When we have millions of law breakers coming from South American and Mexico, you have to use your judgement. I guess you agree with letting the muslim through on the airlines while patting down the 80 yr old white woman in a wheelchair?
The Police and Black men is so fcking tired and lame. First police kill more whites......second its young black men that commit most of the crime. This is nothing but the racism of low expectations on your part. (liberals) It is RARE that a policed officer simply kills someone for no reason. Until you strap on a gun and go into these getto war zones. Don't judge. The black community uses racism as a excuse for failure. Someone under cooks their burger...RACISM. Until they look in the mirror and like Muslims clean up their own communities ...they have no one to blame but themselves.
So you're not pointing out a bias, you're just making an excuse. But to point out the real issue as I have just done , to you that's racist...as everything is.
POSOTUS has rushed out to the microphone every chance he gets to fan the flames of racism before he even knows the facts. Its in his DNA. He''s a rabble rouser at heart.
Democrats need villians so they can have victimes. Evil wall street, evil big banks, evil rich ppl, evil big pharma, evil Walmart, evil big oil, etc.
To be honest. Its insulting to me. I don't know how ppl can take being talked down to that way. Its clear Liberal leaders think their followers are stupid. Its like a movement of 5th graders. There is no intellectual thought or honesty in the message. Its all based on emotion and stirring up the mob.
F'ing idiot, I bet you hate your employer for making a profit. Typical of someone that has failed at everything they have ever tried.
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Glad to have you on the board comrade. It means you are a socialist.
Not an insult, just a fact. Of course, pure socialism is the result of the failure of a democratic republic due to socialistic behavior of politicians to get elected, placing further burden on the foundations of the country.
We then become owned and freedoms as we knew are gone.
I think I'll vote for Trump. At least he is brave enough to speak outside of the political double speak. He has run companies and has been successful. Unlike our career politicians.
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LOL! It never ceases to amaze me how some of you on here talk like you are part of the one percent. Nobody hates the Koch brothers because they have money. They hate the Koch brothers because of what they stand for. They are part of the problem in this country when it comes to the democratic process. They buying and selling of our country and it's political process by people like Koch brothers and others, including some liberals, is destroying what this country used to stand for. It's time get rid of that crap. End the big money in politics. End the endless lobbying by big corporations which has stolen the conscious of many of our politicians. It's time to kill career politicians by introducing term limits, because they longer they stay up there, the more corrupt they become. I know it's never going to happen and all I'm doing is shouting at the clouds.
Just to give you an idea of how corrupt our so-called leaders are, they are the only people in the entire country who could trade in the stock market based on insider information. Well who has more access to inside information that congressmen. This is the case because they made it so. Then when 60 Minutes ran a piece about this and started naming politicians who took part in this, they crafted a bill to end insider trading in congress. Guess what happened? They gutted two of the three provisions in the bill, which left the door open for the practice to continue.
Nobody has any problems with people having a lot of money. However, when wealth inequality reaches such grotesque levels, there's a problem. When the richest 20 Americans own more wealth than half the population of the US, that is completely out of whack. How much money do you need? We're turning into a banana republic and the middle class is disappearing. If we keep going, we're going to look like Mexico in another 50 years. The only difference will be our size and population.
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A little hint for you.
Today's democrats would mostly be Republicans prior to LBJ and Nixon's presidencies.
That's when the democrats jettisoned most of the racist Dixiecrat element of their party and the GOP snatched them up. Pointing back to pre-civil rights era issues on race as an attack on Democrats only shows how far the GOP has fallen on the issue.
While I don't support Sanders... this sort of statement doesn't really capture where they are coming from.
Since 1980, when you adjust for inflation... there has been no income growth among the bottom 40% of wage earners in the US. Most of it is reserved for the top 5%.
Now understand that before 1980, this was not the case. When the GDP went up 10%... each quintile went up roughly 10%. Granted... more of the DOLLARS went to the top end... but the percentage was spread evenly.
Now when inflation adjusted GDP goes up 10%... the bottom 40% remains flat, the next 20% goes up 1-2%, the next 20% goes up 5-7% and the top 20% goes up 25% or so.
And that's where people start thinking socialist thoughts. Not because they begrudge their employers from making a profit... but because they want a piece of that too. You have to understand that the only reason socialism takes hold is because of income inequality... companies keeping all of the economic increases for their stockholder instead of letting it spread at a relatively equal percentage among their employees as well.
Better him than Wallery Street Clinton or E. Domain Trump. Where's Sheriff Andy Taylor when you need him?
No, todays DemocRATs wouldn't even be democrats during the Clinton years. Today's democRAT party is a marxist bunch of radical loons. You know that. Just look who they're running for President. Read " Rules for Radicals" if you disagree, then get back to me.
Okay chief.
Today's democrats wouldn't even be considered moderate by the late 60's/early 70's standards of Saul Alinsky. They'd be considered right-leaning.
Today's conservatives are so far off the deep end to the right they think liking Social Security or Medicaid makes you a liberal. Teddy Roosevelt was a liberal by today's conservative standards. So was Eisenhower. Heck... REAGAN is moving toward liberal territory.
Hillary Clinton is an Eisenhower Republican. And I mean that literally... she WAS an Eisenhower Republican. She worked for Nixon's 1960 campaign and volunteered for Goldwater in 1964 as well. The changes in how the parties viewed Civil Rights (democrats embracing it, GOP moving away from it) caused her to become a democrat in the late 60's.
This was common. Many of today's older democrats followed the same path. My parents did as well. I'm not joking when I say that today's democrats would have been Republicans prior to the civil rights movement... it's true.
The GOP used to be a great party. It used to be the party of civil rights and inclusion. Now it's... not.
Pal that's nuts. POSOTUS is following the Alinsky playbook play for play. Hillary is disciple of Alinsky.
Your assertions are nothing buy cliche. For you being anti whatever is disagree with whatever.
Believe in enforcing the boarders = anti Hispanic
Believe in supporting police = Anti Black
Believe in traditional marriage = Anti gay
And on and on. Its so damn childish I can't even comprehend it. See guys like you use these silly childish charges to try and end the debate. Its a typical Alinsky tactic.
To claim these democrats as moderates is just beyond believe, reason, logic, or common sense. And to claim this republican party is " far right" Is just truly stupid on its face. These asshats are for amnesty, the import export bank, they just gave POSOTUS everything he wanted in the budget. You sight facts not in evidence.
Hillary is a far left corrupt lying old bag. Do you think she's qualified to be the leader of the Free world?
Bernie? LOL
Ted Cruz is my candidate followed by Carson then Trump. Tell me exactly what's far right about any of their positions?
If you want to make these silly charges. Lets you and I take them one at at time.
Tell me how the GOP is anti civil rights? We "rights" have they taken from anyone?
REAGAN was for amnesty. REAGAN reauthorized the import export bank twice. You've moved the bar so much that St. Ron... who every GOP candidate wants to be seen as the next incarnation of... would be a RINO to today's conservative party.
Frankly... yes. 8 years as a US senator and 4 years as secretary of state is generally considered more than adequate qualifications to be president.
Ronald Reagan's only public service was 8 years as a governor and 3 years service as a public relations officer for the US Army Air Force.
Not going to bother. I assume you think Cruz saying "Gay Marriage leads to Christianity becoming Hate Speech" is not anti-gay. I assume you think Trump tweeting "Jeb Bush likes Illegals because of his wife." (who's a mexican american) is not anti-hispanic. I assume you think Trump tweeting: "The United Kingdom is trying hard to disguise their massive Muslim problem. Everybody is wise to what is happening, very sad! Be honest." is not anti-muslim. I assume you think Carson saying that a Muslim person should not be allowed to be president is not anti-muslim.
Being anti-civil rights doesn't mean taking rights away... it means not guaranteeing equal rights. Those opposing the civil rights act weren't advocating taking anything away from Blacks... they just didn't want to give them equality.
The GOP (or major figures like current presidential candidates are:
-Against gay marriage
-Against requiring equal pay for equal work. (virtually all GOP candidates are against this... with the exception of Carly Fiorina)
-In favor of additional requirements for voting that have been shown to hinder the ability of African-Americans to vote more than any group.
-The majority of African-Americans view "Black Lives Matter" as a modern black civil rights movement. I have yet to hear of any major republican endorse that group.
Now look... I realize you're going to say that those aren't civil rights issues. I get that you feel that way. But those who view civil rights as still being an issue feel differently. And insulting them isn't going to convince them you're correct on the matter. The idea that it's okay to insult others due to race/religion/ethnicity because "you're not politically correct" doesn't sway people in those groups. It makes them think you're racist.
Um, I'm afraid you don't really understand the history. See Reagan agreed to amnesty for 2.5m ppl in exchange for closing the boarder and being DONE WITH IT. However, the boarder closing was blocked by Democrats at every turn. And now we're back here again. You aren't a stupid guy, do you really believe this is about helping ppl? Do you really believe that new laws will be any better than existing law?
Well I'm really disappointed in you. This proves that you're an ends justify the means guy. You don't care that she's completely unaccomplished in those roles, in fact its proven she's sloppy and corrupt. She has put national security at risk, she is a liar to the likes we've never seen. Its really sad that there are ppl that believe this old POS is qualified to be leader of the free world. It shows the intellectual and moral bankruptcy of liberals
No not at all. We've seen Christians forced to go against their religious beliefs or feel the wrath of the Gov. Saying someone is Hispanic is a slur? LOL damn man.. And yes no only the UK but Europe has a MASSIVE MUSLIM problem? Fuk man, are you that blind to the obvious, the rapes, sexual assaults, crime, TERROR ATTACKS. If you really believe this BS , then I've miss judged you. I guess you have no problem with the loony lefts attacks on white ppl the "white privilege " BS. Or POSOTUS talking about cleaning to guns and Bibles. The left has said over the top nasty things, you have no issues there huh? As to Carson, Oh man how frustrating...You are truly a typical lib. He said, no Muslim Should be President because they're beliefs are not comparable with the Constitution. He said if they were believers in Freedom and human rights he'd have no problem with it. Funny how you liberals are so protective of a ppl that hang Homosexuals And have no belief is human rights. But hate anything Christian. You're truly a hypocritical and morally bankrupt group
This proves there is no middle ground. You've been a pleasant and worth opponent . But I don't understand your mindset. I truly don't. You're smart enough to hold your own, but you never get any deeper than the surface....Which is the problem with being a liberal. Liberalism requires no real thought, its a mile wide and an inch deep. Conservatism is an intellectual undertaking.
Gay Marriage: There is no such thing? Doesn't exist. Hillary and POSOTUS were against it.....until it was no longer politically viable in today's far left marxist Democrat party. No one has ever said gays couldn't marry. They have every right anyone else has. But now we've every deviant (yes gays are deviants) class to come forward....where does it end? Is there anything liberals see as immoral?.....Besides Christianity
Equal work for equal pay: ARE YOU SERIOUS? Perfect example of either , being LAZY or simply ignoring the facts to promote a political position. There is NO SUCH THING. LINK? He's a hint, all things being equal, women in the same position make more than their male counter parts. Another "how can we fool em today" democrat moto...Democratns depend on their followers to be ignorant or stupid
Keeping blacks from voting? ARE YOU FCKING NUTS? Give an Example? Do you know that in in Black districts in Philly they had 120% voter turn out and not a single vote registered for Romney. Yet another BS not a single piece of evidence this is remotely true. Sorry for the anger. But I can't stank this stupid race bating rabble rousing BULLSHIT
Let me give you a little lesson in Rights. You have no right to other pals property, and your rights end where others begin. So when pedophiles start demanding their rights (and they have) you going to support that group of deviants over your preferred group of deviants? If not, why not?
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Actually I pray Bernie gets the dem mom. Unfortunately it will never happen.
Good points. Sanders is starting a fight he cannot win. The 1%'s are the people that are executives in the large corporations. These people have very strong ties with some very powerful PACs. These are the same ones that provide most of the high paying jobs with benefits in America.
QUOTE=DAWG IN SC "Now look... I realize you're going to say that those aren't civil rights issues. I get that you feel that way. But those who view civil rights as still being an issue feel differently. And insulting them isn't going to convince them you're correct on the matter. The idea that it's okay to insult others due to race/religion/ethnicity because "you're not politically correct" doesn't sway people in those groups. It makes them think you're racist"
. If Repubs aren't for an open borders welfare state or for letting in unvetted Muslim refugees, Dems say they hate Muslims and Hispanics. If it weren’t that, it would be Pubs want to put blacks back in chains or want to shove granny over a cliff. The only thing libs really do is use the race card or sex card and repeat the mantra 24/7 that republicans are evil.
The problems Dems have is their ideas of redistribution of wealth, open borders, more govt regulation of the private sector,& their multicultural philosophy don’t work.They believe that all cultures are morally equal which obviously is not true especially the Middle East culture. This philosophy is in the process of destroying Germany, France, & Great Britain. We can’t let it destroy our country.
Hoff... two things:
1. This isn't an issue about how democrats see things. It's an issue about how the minority voters see things. Ignoring the fact that the majority of Hispanics view anti-illegal rheotric as anti-hispanic doesn't change the fact they view it that way. This isn't an issue of the "Dems" twisting the GOP position... this is an issue of minority voters hating the GOP position. Sure... Democrat politicians point it out... but they aren't forming the opinion. They are simply pointing out GOP beliefs that they realize minority voters hate. Stop blaming the democrats for minorities hating the GOP. It's not their fault... it's the GOP's fault.
2. By insinuating that cultures other than the white european based "western" culture are inferior... you aren't helping the GOP's case with minorities. You're basically pushing a "white is best" view. Black = bad. Muslim = bad. Hispanic = bad. Multicultural = bad. Are you really shocked that people of other cultures don't vote for the GOP given that mindset? You're basically calling them the enemy.
Very different results when you ask LEGAL Hispanics, and the Brothers are all for putting an end to the illegals. So ya know...there's that
So American culture is only for white ppl? This is really quite a silly strawman. Look, America has its own culture. DemocRATS DGAS about it. The DGAS about minorities, they only care about votes. So if bringing in uneducated (democrats wet dream) shitheads from 3rd world shitholes gets them those votes. They could GAS what it does to the Country as a whole.
Look at what Reagans amnesty did to California. That place is a cess pool. 40% of the DLs last year went to ILLEGALS.....And California DemocRATS (is there anything else) are allowing them to vote. So one of the Biggest elector states in the Country is no being decided by AMERICANS. You ok with that? Is it your position that Republicans should embrace this lawless Constitution busting bullshit?
So technically CobbDawg51 was right. You do hate your employer, i.e., the 1%, because without them, the Army couldn't pay you...
Its called national security. How's it working out in Europe? Or will you simply ignore the facts in favor of an emotional divisive strawman?
So is it white ppl coming in illegally? Have you ever been to the boarder? Do you know who is committing most of the crime there? When the Federal gov refuses to enforce the law, do you think the State should allow it also? Stop with the surface dwelling emotional race based bullshit and lets deal with the Substance. The law doesn't allow what you've suggested. Its is specifically written as to access the subject of a crime.
As I've pointed out in other postings along with FBI stats. What you just said is false. Now with the info you have at your disposal I'd go as far as saying its a Lie...for the purpose of illustrating how liberals argue. They try and pass of lies and half truths to avoid the facts. The facts are simple. More whites are shot by Police, even though as a % they deal with more black crime...because that's who commit most of the crime. Also the % of WRONGFUL deaths by the police are not even enough to register. Its EXTREMELY RARE. So why wouldn't a THINKING person understand that and defend the police. You have to again ignore the facts and the reality to try and make a point that doesn't exist.
Again, its false. For guys like you, a racist is anyone winning an argument with you. If a person points out the obvious (blacks and Hispanics committee most of the violent crime) that's racist. Its also intellectually dishonest, and an intentional talking point for liberals. They (you) really aren't concerned with the facts, but riling up the mob to get votes is all that matters.
