So rhetoric lies have consequence

[WyoDawg307]

Some can separate politics from religion, some can’t - I know that I can.

Safety & my wallet are the most important to me. He’s been proven the better choice in that.

Not looking for the perfect Christian to vote for, just someone to get the job done. All that other stuff is just BS, smoke & mirrors.

Bingo. It is called nuance and critical thinkg. Mos of the millennials and younger folk seem to lack this ability.

 

[MUSMDawgs]

And the fact that he uses God in his posts, is the reason my wife has stopped going to Church. @PotimusWillie - it’s not the “lies”… it’s the fact that religious people continue to openly back Trump and treat him as a “savior” that people are abandoning the Church. It’s disgusting. The final straw for my wife, a long time Church goer who went to a Christian college and whose entire family is involved with the Church, is when she was at Cornerstone in Athens and was served coffee by someone with a MAGA hat.

Does she stop shopping at Walmart if she sees someone with a Florida hat? lol

 

[ClydeDawg]

I assume this is a well thought out, realistic comment on Donald Trump.

Your head is in the sand if think it doesn't apply to both.

 

[PoDawg]

And the fact that he uses God in his posts, is the reason my wife has stopped going to Church. @PotimusWillie - it’s not the “lies”… it’s the fact that religious people continue to openly back Trump and treat him as a “savior” that people are abandoning the Church. It’s disgusting. The final straw for my wife, a long time Church goer who went to a Christian college and whose entire family is involved with the Church, is when she was at Cornerstone in Athens and was served coffee by someone with a MAGA hat.

If this is a reason to stop attending church you were going for the wrong reason all along.

 

[Eastmandawg]

Your head is in the sand if think it doesn't apply to both.

In office the 12 of the past 16 years, tell us how DJT screwed things up, while claiming they know how to fix it……and hoping voters are stupid enough to believe it.

 

[Double Bogey Dawg]

Go find a safe space.

Once again I ask, If Trump was Satan reincarnate , why is he not getting blown out by the great Kamala? You Libs and your feelings , nobody gives a shit about feelings.

Satan always has had a lot of followers.

 

[cherrydawg]

The whole conspiracy theory stuff by many on here is always good for a laugh.

But this "repeating total lies" stuff is the funniest thing I've seen on here. I have no words. And even if I did, I couldn't get them out

You have no words because if you deny the dims repeat the same lies over and over, (very fine people, threat to democracy, russia russia russia, etc etc etc) would be just another lie by a liberal "independent". I am amazed that people that claim to be so smart would ever entertain the idea of voting for 2 communist but that is exactly what the leftist and the liberal "independents" here are going to do. You should be shame.

 

[cherrydawg]

OP is the person who, within ten days of the 2020 election, claimed he had inside knowledge and guaranteed that Trump would remain president and some prominent Dems would be going to prison for conspiracy to commit vote fraud. Four years later and there’s still no proof of fraud but his candidate continues to insist the election was stolen.

Draw a direct line from those beliefs to J6 and what ever MAGA has in store for us when Trump loses this time.

But the left has a lying problem.

Yes the left has a lying problem. You have repeated many of them yourself.

 

[PotimusWillie]

I understand what happened also, Willie.

Joe Biden beat Donald Trump in a free and fair election. After the election, Donald Trump tried to overturn it. Except for the actions of a few brave patriots who decided to stand up to him, Trump might have succeeded.

You're exactly right. What Trump did was a crime.

Who were the patriots?

 

[cherrydawg]

And the fact that he uses God in his posts, is the reason my wife has stopped going to Church. @PotimusWillie - it’s not the “lies”… it’s the fact that religious people continue to openly back Trump and treat him as a “savior” that people are abandoning the Church. It’s disgusting. The final straw for my wife, a long time Church goer who went to a Christian college and whose entire family is involved with the Church, is when she was at Cornerstone in Athens and was served coffee by someone with a MAGA hat.

Funny, how libs want to lay blame on Christians for backing trump when two of the main policy points for you are murder babies, and promote the gay perversion as normal. Both are as far from God and being a Christian as one can get. But keep on with the hypocrisy, thats another problem. Libs only like the Bible when they think they can use it to shame someone and 99.9% of the time they use it out of context and are totally wrong with their assertion.
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Harris/Walz are no better than Trump when it comes to being "Christian" So you can come down off you liberal hypocritical high horse.

 

[cherrydawg]

No. I wasn't talking to you.

Can't LOL

 

[PotimusWillie]

No, you didn't want a conversation. You wanted to argue. Debate if you want to call it that. I don't want to debate. My response wasn't intended to start a debate. People who want a conversation don't pose their questions like that.

My apology to you. I will no longer ask you to explain your statements or claims.

In all seriousness and for all the trouble we all go through, it’s all folly anyway.

Have a good day. My part of this conversation is over. I respect your desire to shut it down.

Go Dawgs

 

[cherrydawg]

Yeah, your question didn't come across as friendly, but accusatory. I have every right to not respond and I won't.

Can't! LOL

 

[cherrydawg]

PW, I praised you at the time for being bold enough to state your prediction clearly and definitively, with no caveats. Many on here were thinking the same things, but you were willing to own it. That takes guts.

But the fact that you continue to cling to the conspiracy theories four years later, when not even a single element of one of these theories has been proven, much less anything approaching facts that support a massive, multi-state plot involving many tens of thousands of votes, just makes me feel bad for you.

Trump is almost certainly going to lose this election, just like he lost the last election, and when all hell breaks loose, as it almost certainly will, it’s these lies about election fraud that will be responsible. You’ll blame the left when you and the other people with similar views should be looking in the mirror.

You still cling to russia russia russia and very fine people lies. So what makes you different, other than you now support a communist to be president of the USA. Dims do not desrerve America.

 

[cherrydawg]

Yeah, your question didn't come across as friendly, but accusatory. I have every right to not respond and I won't.

Also, you have no standing when it comes to saying someone is not talking to you friendly. Your posts are some of the most condescending arrogant antagonistic on the board. you deserve anything that comes your way.

 

[cherrydawg]

No, you didn't want a conversation. You wanted to argue. Debate if you want to call it that. I don't want to debate. My response wasn't intended to start a debate. People who want a conversation don't pose their questions like that.

LOL YOU NEED A MIRROR.... LOL your reply's are the most condescending on the board. LMBO. Liberal independents lack self awareness as much as dim liberals.

 

[cherrydawg]

Trump is not just another flawed politician. He is one of the most profane, unremorseful, morally bankrupt public figures of my lifetime. Repeatedly invoking God in the same sentence with Trump is offensive in a way that the Trump supporters clearly fail to understand. There is no question in my mind that it’s going to hurt him with the independent voters Trump needs to win in November.

Says the person voting for communist. Trump is no Christian but you refuse to acknowledge that Kamala and Tampon timmy are just as vile as he is. You excuse the knee pad queen lying like a dog faced pony soldier, and the tampon king for his stolen valor lies and pushing the gay/trans agenda on children SMH I get not thinking much of Trump. I don't. But I also think poorly of kamala and timmy. Its policy and on that their is no question who to vote for. Independents that don't suffer from TDS like the lot of you on here, are turned off by the hypocrisy and outright lies about trump and the dim party. So they may counter act each other.

 

[cherrydawg]

I doubt peter is checking attendance records at the gate to determine "true believers"....

If she stopped going to church but read the Word every day and prayed 3 times a day is she any less a "true believer" than she is sitting in a pew on a Sunday listening to pastor that condones political discussions during church? That's a quite a leap you make there.

Judging by her background provided, I'm willing to be she's going to sit with Him when all is said and done.

umm I will be glad to discuss this with you via private chat, I will give you scripture and let you see if you still think the same. Now if you don't believe the Bible there is no reason to talk, but if you really do then I will be glad to.

 

[cherrydawg]

That was the last straw. She grew up going to church every week, was very active in it (even in college and after college). Went to a Christian school (voluntarily).

She stopped going because she couldn’t believe the vile of Trump, how he possess ZERO quality of Christ (in fact - most are the complete opposite) and how he was getting the strong, unwavering support of devout Christians. Granted, most have since backed off their support (her family) and are likely just not going to vote this year.

Not arguing that trump does, but please explain how you think kamala and tampon timmy are any different. They are NO better.

 

[ClydeDawg]

In office the 12 of the past 16 years, tell us how DJT screwed things up, while claiming they know how to fix it……and hoping voters are stupid enough to believe it.

I agree w trump politically, but he is a narcissist that can't get out of his own way. He spews stupid untruths about the dims just like OP is accusing them of. He screwed us on when he didn't kick kamalas ass at the debate.

Unfortunately for lots of us, we only have 2 choices. Im gonna vote for the narcissist.

 

[DTwnDawg]

Yep, I did. What our country allowed to happen is a crime. I still understand what happened, as do those in power. Then those who attempted to bring it forward were ruined. Little by little issues that were brought up about the elections are coming out. Somehow we are to believe that these “isolated” issues don’t matter and that it couldn’t happen in larger numbers……….

Evil, in the form of manipulation, will happen at any level needed if the money is offered.

The election issue doesn’t target a candidate, but a corrupt system. The rhetoric lies being repeated to the masses by Kamala Harris personally have pushed two shooters and another stopped attempt that were attempting to kill another human being over the lies they have pushed.

The 2025 agenda and Trump is a lie
Raising taxes on middle class is a lie
Lowering taxes on billionaires is a lie (When more billionaires have supported Kamala than Trump)
Becoming a dictator is a lie
Nazi’s are good people is a lie
Banning abortion is a lie
Inflation lower under Biden is a lie
Unemployment under Biden being lower is a lie
Voter ID laws being racist is a lie

Claiming a man will destroy Democracy is a lie.
It is also foolish rhetoric.

1) we aren’t a democracy
2) how is he suppose to destroy it?

Providing the central government the power to rule the country is dangerous, as our founding fathers recognized. The power of the citizen is in the ability for representation. That reputation happens locally, bu city, county and state.

The shooters statement of protecting the democracy is damning and shows how irresponsible the rhetoric pushes the uninformed.

The rhetoric intent is to isolate by race, sexual identification, and reproductive rights. We have been herded successfully by the political movements to the ridiculous point of hays and lesbians protesting in support of a culture in the Middle East who would have them killed for being gay. Makes sense. So we destroy our colleges and burn buildings. We have seen the political system destroy our law enforcement.

We have successfully reduced human life to a convenience or inconvenience.

That is the lie, the rhetoric. But Trump is bad, so it’s OK.

Got it.

BOOM!!!

 

[Eastmandawg]

I agree w trump politically, but he is a narcissist that can't get out of his own way. He spews stupid untruths about the dims just like OP is accusing them of. He screwed us on when he didn't kick kamalas ass at the debate.

Unfortunately for lots of us, we only have 2 choices. Im gonna vote for the narcissist.

He has his issues as we all do. But his record on inflation and safety/border is enough to make me overlook a lot of things.

The “lesser of two evils”…or best choice imo.

 

[DTwnDawg]

What a sheltered life she has led, LOL.

Meanwhile us non-socialists get served coffee from drop out liberal studies majors with student debt, voting for "Biden and Kamalala", with their purple hair, nose rings, and gauges in their ears and yet we deal with it. Now this isn't in a church, but I don't see the difference. The non-MAGA side relishes killing unborn children and her choice is that if a person supports not killing kids, she has to leave the church. Ok.

My advice to her would be stop letting the news and social media tell you who to hate.

THIS IS SO TRUE!!!

 

[willdup]

Who were the patriots?

I'll take a swing at that one.

Mike Pence, who resisted Trump's demands to delay certification.
The entire leadership team of the DOJ, who directly threatened Trump that they would all quit when Trump tried to install the far more compliant Jeffrey Clarke as AG.
Raffensperger, supported by Kemp, and other state election officials.
Multiple people who resisted the fake elector plots at the state level.
The judiciary that determined that Trump, Rudy and team never had any of the evidence that they promised.
Election workers who were pilloried and harassed for doing their jobs (the two Fulton County workers are owed $150m for their trouble.)
Congress, who ignored the attack on the Capitol and certified the election results at 2am the next day.

 

[DTwnDawg]

Bingo. It is called nuance and critical thinkg. Mos of the millennials and younger folk seem to lack this ability.

ZERO COMMON SENSE AS WELL!!! BRAINWASHED IDEALOGUE’S

 

[DTwnDawg]

I'll take a swing at that one.

Mike Pence, who resisted Trump's demands to delay certification.
The entire leadership team of the DOJ, who directly threatened Trump that they would all quit when Trump tried to install the far more compliant Jeffrey Clarke as AG.
Raffensperger, supported by Kemp, and other state election officials.
Multiple people who resisted the fake elector plots at the state level.
The judiciary that determined that Trump, Rudy and team never had any of the evidence that they promised.
Election workers who were pilloried and harassed for doing their jobs (the two Fulton County workers are owed $150m for their trouble.)
Congress, who ignored the attack on the Capitol and certified the election results at 2am the next day.

You forgot Nancy Pelosi refusing to call in the National Guard for Jan6?

 

[cherrydawg]

Satan always has had a lot of followers.

Yes, evidently, according to dims, more people are for killing innocent babies in the womb than not. According to dims homosexuality is to be glorified instead of being called out as the perversion and sin that God calls it. The Bible says if a man won't work he shouldn't eat, but your master odumbo took out the work for welfare check and dims would throw their sucker in the dirt if someone tried to reinstate work for welfare. Its all about virtue signaling for dims, not at all about following Gods word. Everyone of you support the LGBQTXYZ and the right to choose to kill an innocent unborn baby. SMH, yet you all think you are on the side of righteousness.

 

[DTwnDawg]

Yes, evidently, according to dims, more people are for killing innocent babies in the womb than not. According to dims homosexuality is to be glorified instead of being called out as the perversion and sin that God calls it. The Bible says if a man won't work he shouldn't eat, but your master odumbo took out the work for welfare check and dims would throw their sucker in the dirt if someone tried to reinstate work for welfare. It’s all about virtue signaling for dims, not at all about following Gods word. Everyone of you support the LGBQTXYZ and the right to choose to kill an innocent unborn baby. SMH, yet you all think you are on the side of righteousness.

Wow, he’s really reaching..lol

 

[Athens is Heaven]

I assume this is a well thought out, realistic comment on Donald Trump.

I stopped reading at I assume! Ha! Ha!

 

[Athens is Heaven]

The whole conspiracy theory stuff by many on here is always good for a laugh.

But this "repeating total lies" stuff is the funniest thing I've seen on here. I have no words. And even if I did, I couldn't get them out.

Please don’t! Lol!

 

[kckd]

Please don’t! Lol!

Laugh? Sometimes it's like a fart and can't be suppressed.

 

[Athens is Heaven]

C'mon man, nobody worships Trump. The only U.S. POTUS I can remember having odes sang about them, pictured in mags made to appear as diety or saw people losing their jobs for making fun of them was O. O was elected on personality, hope and change and platitudes. He never campaigned on specific agenda items.

Trump voters generally vote for him for one of two reasons or possibly both. They like his policy objectives and believe he will fight to enact those policies or they believe our fed gov as it exists now is out of control and unaccountable to the voters. Nobody votes for Trump because the idolize him.

I voted for my pocket book. And that’s it.

 

[ToddBburn]

What is going on right now is idolatry. Remember, it was often the priests of the OT leading the idol worship.

Idolatry is on both sides. Very few on the right idolize Trump IMO. They more idolize a value system they think the country should operate under.
The left(more so than the right) idolizes the individual over the group. Although you can it on the right as well. They focus on individual rights at times to the detriment of the group/country. They take pride in acknowledging the individual differences and making others feel bad for not doing so. The right typically is more patriotic and group/state/country focused or at least more balanced as a whole. They both are greatly flawed and only tend to focus on the differences and the extremes which only continues to divide.

 

[jpzd33]

Idolatry is on both sides. Very few on the right idolize Trump IMO. They more idolize a value system they think the country should operate under.
The left(more so than the right) idolizes the individual over the group. Although you can it on the right as well. They focus on individual rights at times to the detriment of the group/country. They take pride in acknowledging the individual differences and making others feel bad for not doing so. The right typically is more patriotic and group/state/country focused or at least more balanced as a whole. They both are greatly flawed and only tend to focus on the differences and the extremes which only continues to divide.

I don't see how that is accurate at all. The right overwhelmingly chose and follows Trump, despite his major flaws in a general election. The left dumped Biden right away.

If Trump was not idolized, he would never have been the candidate for this election since any other potential candidate would have won the general election in a landslide

 

[Double Bogey Dawg]

I'll take a swing at that one.

Mike Pence, who resisted Trump's demands to delay certification.
The entire leadership team of the DOJ, who directly threatened Trump that they would all quit when Trump tried to install the far more compliant Jeffrey Clarke as AG.
Raffensperger, supported by Kemp, and other state election officials.
Multiple people who resisted the fake elector plots at the state level.
The judiciary that determined that Trump, Rudy and team never had any of the evidence that they promised.
Election workers who were pilloried and harassed for doing their jobs (the two Fulton County workers are owed $150m for their trouble.)
Congress, who ignored the attack on the Capitol and certified the election results at 2am the next day.

Thanks for that list! I'll add US Atty for the Northern District of GA, BJ Pak, who investigated voter-fraud allegations in Fulton County, Ga., but found nothing to back up Trump’s allegations and refused to support them, thereby losing his job.

Also Gabriel Sterling, COO of GA's Secretary of State's office, with his "it has to stop" speech.

And Bryan Cutler, Republican Speaker of the House of Representatives in PA, who twice told The Donald that he had no power to overturn the election results in PA.

And Clint Hickman, the then-chairman of the Maricopa County Board of Supervisors in Arizona, who refused to even return Trump's phone call.

 

[ToddBburn]

I don't see how that is accurate at all. The right overwhelmingly chose and follows Trump, despite his major flaws in a general election. The left dumped Biden right away.

If Trump was not idolized, he would never have been the candidate for this election since any other potential candidate would have won the general election in a landslide

The majority that I know are voting for Trump basically holding their noses and doing so because the alternative is worse in their mind. That included Biden when his health was okay. Kamala and Walz are worse than a sane Biden to me.

Dumping Biden is not something I would be proud of and act like that sets the party on a higher spot. It goes against all norms and puts a candidate in place who was not the voters choice. This is another instance of the left leadership saying they know better than the people who cast the votes. The appropriate step would have been using 25th amendment and allowing Kamala to lead and give people an idea of what she can do in the role. If Biden was deemed unable to perform his duties come January 2025 then he should not be presiding over the country now. The left has decided to do this to distance Kamala somehow from his presidency so they can rebrand her and make her more palatable. I think this is dishonest and just like everything else I see from the desperate left. They believe the ends justify the means and they do not care about Democracy, rules, norms, and honor. The media has pushed this to new heights which unfortunately are lows for our country.

I know things have happened on the right I responding to your comment of ditching Biden. I think both sides are looking at the other and saying if they are doing that then we will do this. It keeps spiraling out of control and creates even more division. Each side points out the others’s faults, errors and sins from their own high horse. Yet none of us are worthy to point to the others miss deeds. We should all clean house and get back to finding the common good or we will all be in a much worse place very soon.

 

[willdup]

Thanks for that list! I'll add US Atty for the Northern District of GA, BJ Pak, who investigated voter-fraud allegations in Fulton County, Ga., but found nothing to back up Trump’s allegations and refused to support them, thereby losing his job.

Also Gabriel Sterling, COO of GA's Secretary of State's office, with his "it has to stop" speech.

And Bryan Cutler, Republican Speaker of the House of Representatives in PA, who twice told The Donald that he had no power to overturn the election results in PA.

And Clint Hickman, the then-chairman of the Maricopa County Board of Supervisors in Arizona, who refused to even return Trump's phone call.

I'm willing to wager that we will get no further engagement on the list of patriots that was requested and that you and I provided. When you examine what actually happened in each of these instances, dismissing what Trump and team did and the threat that it represented gets very difficult.

 

[jpzd33]

The majority that I know are voting for Trump basically holding their noses and doing so because the alternative is worse in their mind. That included Biden when his health was okay. Kamala and Walz are worse than a sane Biden to me.

Dumping Biden is not something I would be proud of and act like that sets the party on a higher spot. It goes against all norms and puts a candidate in place who was not the voters choice. This is another instance of the left leadership saying they know better than the people who cast the votes. The appropriate step would have been using 25th amendment and allowing Kamala to lead and give people an idea of what she can do in the role. If Biden was deemed unable to perform his duties come January 2025 then he should not be presiding over the country now. The left has decided to do this to distance Kamala somehow from his presidency so they can rebrand her and make her more palatable. I think this is dishonest and just like everything else I see from the desperate left. They believe the ends justify the means and they do not care about Democracy, rules, norms, and honor. The media has pushed this to new heights which unfortunately are lows for our country.

I know things have happened on the right I responding to your comment of ditching Biden. I think both sides are looking at the other and saying if they are doing that then we will do this. It keeps spiraling out of control and creates even more division. Each side points out the others’s faults, errors and sins from their own high horse. Yet none of us are worthy to point to the others miss deeds. We should all clean house and get back to finding the common good or we will all be in a much worse place very soon.

Very fair

But still the GOP voted overwhelmingly for the only candidate who could possibly lose this election. Could have nominated Haley or Vivek or Desantis. But Trump has such a hold over a huge faction or the right. Seems like they idolize him and over value of the direction they think the country should go in. Or else someone else would have gotten nominated. Someone else who would have already locked up the election instead of Trump who will likely lose

 

[Eastmandawg]

Very fair

But still the GOP voted overwhelmingly for the only candidate who could possibly lose this election. Could have nominated Haley or Vivek or Desantis. But Trump has such a hold over a huge faction or the right. Seems like they idolize him and over value of the direction they think the country should go in. Or else someone else would have gotten nominated. Someone else who would have already locked up the election instead of Trump who will likely lose

It’s simple….I don’t have to like him, it’s what he can do for me & family. “Real wages” kicked ass when he was in office, like no one before him going all the way back to Jimmy Carter.

The border was much better with him in office also. All the others you mentioned are not proven.

My wallet certainly likes him much better…..and usually that is what I vote with, like most reasonably intelligent people.

 

[jpzd33]

It’s simple….I don’t have to like him, it’s what he can do for me & family. “Real wages” kicked ass when he was in office, like no one before him going all the way back to Jimmy Carter.

The border was much better with him in office also. All the others you mentioned are not proven.

My wallet certainly likes him much better…..and usually that is what I vote with, like most reasonably intelligent people.

Again, you are talking about in a general vs Biden/Harris, no? And if not, great. Awesome policy. Irrelevant though if his policy is good or not if he cannot get elected. Other GOP candidates would have very similar policy, especially regarding the economy, and would be electable