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So rhetoric lies have consequence

Yep, I did. What our country allowed to happen is a crime. I still understand what happened, as do those in power. Then those who attempted to bring it forward were ruined. Little by little issues that were brought up about the elections are coming out. Somehow we are to believe that these “isolated” issues don’t matter and that it couldn’t happen in larger numbers……….

Evil, in the form of manipulation, will happen at any level needed if the money is offered.

The election issue doesn’t target a candidate, but a corrupt system. The rhetoric lies being repeated to the masses by Kamala Harris personally have pushed two shooters and another stopped attempt that were attempting to kill another human being over the lies they have pushed.

The 2025 agenda and Trump is a lie
Raising taxes on middle class is a lie
Lowering taxes on billionaires is a lie (When more billionaires have supported Kamala than Trump)
Becoming a dictator is a lie
Nazi’s are good people is a lie
Banning abortion is a lie
Inflation lower under Biden is a lie
Unemployment under Biden being lower is a lie
Voter ID laws being racist is a lie

Claiming a man will destroy Democracy is a lie.
It is also foolish rhetoric.

1) we aren’t a democracy
2) how is he suppose to destroy it?

Providing the central government the power to rule the country is dangerous, as our founding fathers recognized. The power of the citizen is in the ability for representation. That reputation happens locally, bu city, county and state.

The shooters statement of protecting the democracy is damning and shows how irresponsible the rhetoric pushes the uninformed.

The rhetoric intent is to isolate by race, sexual identification, and reproductive rights. We have been herded successfully by the political movements to the ridiculous point of hays and lesbians protesting in support of a culture in the Middle East who would have them killed for being gay. Makes sense. So we destroy our colleges and burn buildings. We have seen the political system destroy our law enforcement.

We have successfully reduced human life to a convenience or inconvenience.

That is the lie, the rhetoric. But Trump is bad, so it’s OK.

Got it.

This group has no conscience. They will lie willingly, they will cheat, break rules, anything and just claim the exact opposite of the truth. Psychopaths. They know they lie and just double down and think they are entitled.

They are drunk with their own power. But it will come to an end.
 
Again, you are talking about in a general vs Biden/Harris, no? And if not, great. Awesome policy. Irrelevant though if his policy is good or not if he cannot get elected. Other GOP candidates would have very similar policy, especially regarding the economy, and would be electable
Whether he can get elected or not is anybody’s guess. What I am saying is that most obviously thought he was the best candidate and I pointed out the reasons why.

To say that he is idolized or overvalued is a little strong and insulting. Simply saying that most believe he was/is the best candidate. If you are using the polls to come to your conclusion on if he can win or not…..those things are certainly not accurate and have been proven not to be in the past.

People had more money in their pockets back when he was Prez and they remember.
 
Some can separate politics from religion, some can’t - I know that I can.

Safety & my wallet are the most important to me. He’s been proven the better choice in that.

Not looking for the perfect Christian to vote for, just someone to get the job done. All that other stuff is just BS, smoke & mirrors.
Thank you for dropping the mic sir!! You brought exactly the truth and all that really matters!! I failed you with only one ‘like’!
 
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Idolatry is on both sides. Very few on the right idolize Trump IMO. They more idolize a value system they think the country should operate under.
The left(more so than the right) idolizes the individual over the group. Although you can it on the right as well. They focus on individual rights at times to the detriment of the group/country. They take pride in acknowledging the individual differences and making others feel bad for not doing so. The right typically is more patriotic and group/state/country focused or at least more balanced as a whole. They both are greatly flawed and only tend to focus on the differences and the extremes which only continues to divide.
Not sure what to make of this. Idolatry is making the their party or candidate into God's party or man. It's having the idea that this is God's will or God is going to save us all through this person. This has been going on for years with evangelicals and it is stronger with Trump than any candidate before him. Democrats rarely bring God into it.

When I vote, I'm well aware that neither party represents God or is very closely tied to God's will based on issues. One side has far more who think that this is God's business. I've heard "God's giving us one more chance" or "if this person gets elected we are at the end times or the tribulation will begin" exclusively from one side. It's not Democrats.

When I'm talking about idolatry, I'm talking about Christians. I have Christian friends on both sides. The only ones who replace their God with politics or can't seem to separate the two are Republican evangelicals.
 
OP is the person who, within ten days of the 2020 election, claimed he had inside knowledge and guaranteed that Trump would remain president and some prominent Dems would be going to prison for conspiracy to commit vote fraud. Four years later and there’s still no proof of fraud but his candidate continues to insist the election was stolen.

Draw a direct line from those beliefs to J6 and what ever MAGA has in store for us when Trump loses this time.

But the left has a lying problem.
Joe Biden received - 81M votes, 57% were mail in. 81M makes Joe the most popular president ever yet DNC didn’t blink replacing him with a Kamala. Kamala didn’t win a single electoral vote in the primary. Think about it.
 
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Not sure what to make of this. Idolatry is making the their party or candidate into God's party or man. It's having the idea that this is God's will or God is going to save us all through this person. This has been going on for years with evangelicals and it is stronger with Trump than any candidate before him. Democrats rarely bring God into it.

When I vote, I'm well aware that neither party represents God or is very closely tied to God's will based on issues. One side has far more who think that this is God's business. I've heard "God's giving us one more chance" or "if this person gets elected we are at the end times or the tribulation will begin" exclusively from one side. It's not Democrats.

When I'm talking about idolatry, I'm talking about Christians. I have Christian friends on both sides. The only ones who replace their God with politics or can't seem to separate the two are Republican evangelicals.
No it is not. It is making anything into something you worship. If either party wins it is God’s will. We must act in accordance to what we think will most honor God. He cares more about our individual actions. I think most people have placed their parties and beliefs above God and his truth.
We al do it and we are all sinners. Hopefully we see it and repent and seek him more as there is no hope for us apart from him.
 
Joe Biden received - 81M votes, 57% were mail in. 81M makes Joe the most popular president ever yet DNC didn’t blink replacing him with a Kamala. Kamala didn’t win a single vote in the primary. Think about it.
Nothing much to think about. The votes for Biden didn't make him popular; they made him President. The DNC saw he couldn't win and replaced him with Kamala, which seems to have been a good move. The primary no longer makes a difference. Looking at the contributions since Kamala took over and the way polls are going (not that I trust polls) I don't think there is a problem.

You and others get hung up on things that are irrelevant, even when they are correct.
 
I don't see how that is accurate at all. The right overwhelmingly chose and follows Trump, despite his major flaws in a general election. The left dumped Biden right away.

If Trump was not idolized, he would never have been the candidate for this election since any other potential candidate would have won the general election in a landslide
The left dumped biden because he was going to lose. The left, including some of the more out of touch delusional ones on this here chat assured us, biden was sharp, would beat trump in debate because trump was the one with oldtimers. Kamala herself defended biden as being sharp until he went on national tv and exposed himself. THE ONLY REASON HE WAS DUMPED WAS NOT FOR ANY STUPID STUFF HE SAID, OR ANY OF THE NUMEROUS CRIMES HE COMMITTED WITH HIS PAY FOR PLAY SCHEMES, IT WAS ALL ABOUT DIMS WILLING DO SUBVERT DEMOCRACY TO WIN AND MAINTAIN POWER.
 
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The DNC saw he couldn't win and replaced him with Kamala, which seems to have been a good move.
And you had worked so hard to make everyone "think" you were really concerned about "democracy" when in fact you just admitted, its all about winning and maintaining power, not the will of the people. If dims hadn't lied so much about how sharp ole Joe was maybe someone would have run against him. But your party put up a big lie to fool the people and got biden as the winner of your primaries. Then after you see he is going to lose, say NAH we don't care what the PEOPLE voted for, democracy, shamocracy, we are just going to pick for them. SMH,,,, all you have to do is wait a little while and all of the high horse claims of a leftist come crashing down when they mess up and admit the truth. LMBO
 
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Nothing much to think about. The votes for Biden didn't make him popular; they made him President. The DNC saw he couldn't win and replaced him with Kamala, which seems to have been a good move. The primary no longer makes a difference. Looking at the contributions since Kamala took over and the way polls are going (not that I trust polls) I don't think there is a problem.

You and others get hung up on things that are irrelevant, even when they are
What ever it takes!
Nothing much to think about. The votes for Biden didn't make him popular; they made him President. The DNC saw he couldn't win and replaced him with Kamala, which seems to have been a good move. The primary no longer makes a difference. Looking at the contributions since Kamala took over and the way polls are going (not that I trust polls) I don't think there is a problem.

You and others get hung up on things that are irrelevant, even when they are correct.
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Not sure what to make of this. Idolatry is making the their party or candidate into God's party or man. It's having the idea that this is God's will or God is going to save us all through this person. This has been going on for years with evangelicals and it is stronger with Trump than any candidate before him. Democrats rarely bring God into it.

When I vote, I'm well aware that neither party represents God or is very closely tied to God's will based on issues. One side has far more who think that this is God's business. I've heard "God's giving us one more chance" or "if this person gets elected we are at the end times or the tribulation will begin" exclusively from one side. It's not Democrats.

When I'm talking about idolatry, I'm talking about Christians. I have Christian friends on both sides. The only ones who replace their God with politics or can't seem to separate the two are Republican evangelicals.
The ones that replace good sense and vote for a communist or liberal leftist independents. So there, same same. I have no doubt their are some on the right that treat him as some gift from heaven. But there are far fewer that do that than just hold their noses...Meanwhile on the left,,,, folks made up songs and crap about your master obuma,,,, so get off the high horse you leftist try to ride all the time. You are always worse on any offense that you accuse the right of... Just vote for the communist and go away. Your fake piousness is sickening.
 
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Joe Biden received - 81M votes, 57% were mail in. 81M makes Joe the most popular president ever yet DNC didn’t blink replacing him with a Kamala. Kamala didn’t win a single electoral vote in the primary. Think about it.
I have thought about it. So has:
Trump and his $250m election fraud investigation fund.
Trump’s election fraud legal team, who are under indictment or pled to felonies and been disbarred or suspended.
Bill Barr’s DOJ.
Multiple state and local election officials.
The Cyber Ninjas.
The judges in sixty different court cases, many of whom were appointed by GOP administrations.

Not one proven case of mass fraud, much less involving the millions of fraudulent votes you are implying led to Biden’s win.

Think about it.
 
And you had worked so hard to make everyone "think" you were really concerned about "democracy" when in fact you just admitted, its all about winning and maintaining power, not the will of the people. If dims hadn't lied so much about how sharp ole Joe was maybe someone would have run against him. But your party put up a big lie to fool the people and got biden as the winner of your primaries. Then after you see he is going to lose, say NAH we don't care what the PEOPLE voted for, democracy, shamocracy, we are just going to pick for them. SMH,,,, all you have to do is wait a little while and all of the high horse claims of a leftist come crashing down when they mess up and admit the truth. LMBO
So glad to see you keep twisting things to justify yourself. Thanks for the comedy.
 
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So glad to see you keep twisting things to justify yourself. Thanks for the comedy.
twisted nothing,,,,, you typed it down go read your own post and also, nothing funny about what you libs are trying to do to the country. I bet you probably had a relative die in war for this country as many of us have. Why you would vote for a communist just because of personal distaste for a true capitalist is beyond comprehension. But you go on with twisting things in your mind.

You cannot deny saying Trump is a threat to democracy.
And you cannot deny saying it was a great thing the dims did removing biden, the elected nominee and replacing with kamala and all because they figured out he was going to lose.

As I said, let a lib talk enough, and they will show you what they are really all about.

Thank you for your complete revealing tonight sir.
 
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No it is not. It is making anything into something you worship. If either party wins it is God’s will. We must act in accordance to what we think will most honor God. He cares more about our individual actions. I think most people have placed their parties and beliefs above God and his truth.
We al do it and we are all sinners. Hopefully we see it and repent and seek him more as there is no hope for us apart from him.
I don't buy into everything happening being God's will. That's just not my God, nor do I think it's the Christian God.
 
I don't buy into everything happening being God's will. That's just not my God, nor do I think it's the Christian God.
This gets to wording and semantics. God allows things to happen to accomplish his plan his end goal. He allows suffering to make his children into the image of Christ. We are sinners and because of that evil has entered the world and life will always have major issues until Jesus return.
I would personally not use “my God” as he is God and he does not need me it is the other way around. He is God and I am his through his saving grace.
 
This gets to wording and semantics. God allows things to happen to accomplish his plan his end goal. He allows suffering to make his children into the image of Christ. We are sinners and because of that evil has entered the world and life will always have major issues until Jesus return.
I would personally not use “my God” as he is God and he does not need me it is the other way around. He is God and I am his through his saving grace.
Oooohkay
 
twisted nothing,,,,, you typed it down go read your own post and also, nothing funny about what you libs are trying to do to the country. I bet you probably had a relative die in war for this country as many of us have. Why you would vote for a communist just because of personal distaste for a true capitalist is beyond comprehension. But you go on with twisting things in your mind.

You cannot deny saying Trump is a threat to democracy.
And you cannot deny saying it was a great thing the dims did removing biden, the elected nominee and replacing with kamala and all because they figured out he was going to lose.

As I said, let a lib talk enough, and they will show you what they are really all about.

Thank you for your complete revealing tonight sir.
If the Dems feel they were jobbed by Dem leadership on the transition from Biden to Harris, they won’t vote for her. You should be overjoyed about the situation.

Learn what the word communism means. You misuse it nearly every day.

Regarding your candidate, he continues to incite threats of violence through his rhetoric. No national Dem has said anything close to what he says regularly. Lies about fraud. Lies about Hatians.

He is also suffering from age-related mental deterioration.

Here is his verbatim response when asked yesterday what he would do to bring down the price of groceries. It’s addled nonsense. He can’t complete a thought or in many cases a sentence, and you and the other Trumpers on here just refuse to acknowledge the obvious.

Trump is going to lose, and he is going to negatively impact the down-ballot races. November is going to be tough for the GOP and it’s entirely their own fault because Trump owns the party and cares only about one thing. Himself.

@zingerdawg and @Moosefish, I’m interested in hearing your thoughts on Trump’s comments below. We acknowledged Biden’s deterioration. Can you do the same?

From yesterday’s town hall:
“So we have to start always with energy. Always. I don't want to be boring about it but there's no bigger subject. It covers everything. If you make donuts, if you make cars, whatever you make, energy's a big deal. And we're gonna get that — it's my ambition to get your energy bill within 12 months down 50%. If I can do that we've done a hell of a job. 5-0. Not 15, 50. Interest rates are going to follow. And actually they're going to follow for another reason. The economy is now not good. And interest rates — you'll see, they'll do the rate cut and all the political stuff tomorrow. Will he do half a point, will he do a quarter of a point. But the reason is because the economy's not good. Otherwise you wouldn't be able to do it. But we're gonna get interest rates down. And we gotta work with our farmers. Our farmers are being decimated right now. They're being absolutely, absolutely decimated. And one of the reasons is we allow a lot of farm product into our country. We're gonna have to be a little bit like other countries. We're not gonna allow so much come — we're gonna let our farmers go to work. And I don't know if you remember. I love the farmers. Because I had many meetings as president. I had this gorgeous room with this beautiful table that seats about 35 people. And I was with the farmers. Usually everybody wants something. They all want subsidy. But I was with the farmers. And I think you might've been there actually Sarah. I said look, we're gonna get you such a beautiful subsidy, meaning I'm gonna do things. And one of the people raised his hand, 'Sir, honestly, we don't want a subsidy. That's the first time that's ever happened to me! Everyone wants — they want money, they want to build windmills, we want money for these windmills, ay-yai-yai. Anyway. But you know what? It was amazing. He said, almost tears in his eyes, they were getting decimated. 'We don't want a subsidy. We just want a fair level playing field! And I said nobody's ever said that. And I have many industries, they do all different things. It's probably the most dramatic l've ever seen. He didn't want anything. All he wanted was to be able to compete fairly. And the problem we have is other countries, they treat us very badly in that way, also. They really are. And sometimes the worst countries are our so-called allies. I say so-called because in many ways they're not allies at all. They take advantage of us. They really take advantage. But we're gonna do with the farmers, we're gonna do what we have to do with the farmers, we're gonna put our farmers - and do you remember the expression? When I was negotiating with China, China said well we're not gonna deal with this. Because they never had anybody to negotiate. They did whatever they want. They just took us, like, for a bunch of suckers. But I told the farmers it's gonna be very good negotiators, you're gonna suffer for six months and then they're gonna fold. And that's exactly what happened... So interest rates, energy and common sense.”
 
If the Dems feel they were jobbed by Dem leadership on the transition from Biden to Harris, they won’t vote for her. You should be overjoyed about the situation.

Learn what the word communism means. You misuse it nearly every day.

Regarding your candidate, he continues to incite threats of violence through his rhetoric. No national Dem has said anything close to what he says regularly. Lies about fraud. Lies about Hatians.

He is also suffering from age-related mental deterioration.

Here is his verbatim response when asked yesterday what he would do to bring down the price of groceries. It’s addled nonsense. He can’t complete a thought or in many cases a sentence, and you and the other Trumpers on here just refuse to acknowledge the obvious.

Trump is going to lose, and he is going to negatively impact the down-ballot races. November is going to be tough for the GOP and it’s entirely their own fault because Trump owns the party and cares only about one thing. Himself.

@zingerdawg and @Moosefish, I’m interested in hearing your thoughts on Trump’s comments below. We acknowledged Biden’s deterioration. Can you do the same?

From yesterday’s town hall:
“So we have to start always with energy. Always. I don't want to be boring about it but there's no bigger subject. It covers everything. If you make donuts, if you make cars, whatever you make, energy's a big deal. And we're gonna get that — it's my ambition to get your energy bill within 12 months down 50%. If I can do that we've done a hell of a job. 5-0. Not 15, 50. Interest rates are going to follow. And actually they're going to follow for another reason. The economy is now not good. And interest rates — you'll see, they'll do the rate cut and all the political stuff tomorrow. Will he do half a point, will he do a quarter of a point. But the reason is because the economy's not good. Otherwise you wouldn't be able to do it. But we're gonna get interest rates down. And we gotta work with our farmers. Our farmers are being decimated right now. They're being absolutely, absolutely decimated. And one of the reasons is we allow a lot of farm product into our country. We're gonna have to be a little bit like other countries. We're not gonna allow so much come — we're gonna let our farmers go to work. And I don't know if you remember. I love the farmers. Because I had many meetings as president. I had this gorgeous room with this beautiful table that seats about 35 people. And I was with the farmers. Usually everybody wants something. They all want subsidy. But I was with the farmers. And I think you might've been there actually Sarah. I said look, we're gonna get you such a beautiful subsidy, meaning I'm gonna do things. And one of the people raised his hand, 'Sir, honestly, we don't want a subsidy. That's the first time that's ever happened to me! Everyone wants — they want money, they want to build windmills, we want money for these windmills, ay-yai-yai. Anyway. But you know what? It was amazing. He said, almost tears in his eyes, they were getting decimated. 'We don't want a subsidy. We just want a fair level playing field! And I said nobody's ever said that. And I have many industries, they do all different things. It's probably the most dramatic l've ever seen. He didn't want anything. All he wanted was to be able to compete fairly. And the problem we have is other countries, they treat us very badly in that way, also. They really are. And sometimes the worst countries are our so-called allies. I say so-called because in many ways they're not allies at all. They take advantage of us. They really take advantage. But we're gonna do with the farmers, we're gonna do what we have to do with the farmers, we're gonna put our farmers - and do you remember the expression? When I was negotiating with China, China said well we're not gonna deal with this. Because they never had anybody to negotiate. They did whatever they want. They just took us, like, for a bunch of suckers. But I told the farmers it's gonna be very good negotiators, you're gonna suffer for six months and then they're gonna fold. And that's exactly what happened... So interest rates, energy and common sense.”
He is 77 years old. I wouldn’t be surprised if he has scatter brain moments in speeches. If I did what he does, I would too. He goes off the cuff for an hour or longer. If you went back to 2016, and did a transcript, he would have other stuff like this too. To try to compare what Biden was four years ago and what he became is just hope so you don’t have to feel like an idiot. Despite so many people telling you this for four years.

Biden never went off the cuff. He started with the gaffes immediately when he tried to go off the prompter for 30 seconds. He couldn’t do an hour without help. He couldn’t do ten minutes without help. Every stop trump goes off script. Honestly he probably should do less of this because the left is on high alert. They don’t want to feel stupid for not seeing it anymore. They want to say, like you are here, see, he is losing him marbles too. It is so different will it isn’t worth mentioning. Plus, I can tell what he meant by his speech. Biden would fall off the horse so bad he never finished his point.

Kamala has no excuse. There are 100’s of word salad videos out there. She was pulled off the circuit because she embarrassed the left so bad. Nancy refused to endorse her as vp for 2020. Will. I answers your question. Answer mine. I think you can easily leave the debate out since under fear of perjury someone has testified that abc fixed the whole thing. He says he has recordings too. Just waiting for abc to respond. What is Kamala’s excuse for being the worst vp ever? Why is she a word salad when asked something she isn’t prepared for? Why don’t want to promote the worst ever to do her current job?


Trump is 77. I would assume he will slow down some. But he still runs circles around Kamala. And he damn sure won’t be on vacation for more than half his time in the White House.
 
He is 77 years old. I wouldn’t be surprised if he has scatter brain moments in speeches. If I did what he does, I would too. He goes off the cuff for an hour or longer. If you went back to 2016, and did a transcript, he would have other stuff like this too. To try to compare what Biden was four years ago and what he became is just hope so you don’t have to feel like an idiot. Despite so many people telling you this for four years.

Biden never went off the cuff. He started with the gaffes immediately when he tried to go off the prompter for 30 seconds. He couldn’t do an hour without help. He couldn’t do ten minutes without help. Every stop trump goes off script. Honestly he probably should do less of this because the left is on high alert. They don’t want to feel stupid for not seeing it anymore. They want to say, like you are here, see, he is losing him marbles too. It is so different will it isn’t worth mentioning. Plus, I can tell what he meant by his speech. Biden would fall off the horse so bad he never finished his point.

Kamala has no excuse. There are 100’s of word salad videos out there. She was pulled off the circuit because she embarrassed the left so bad. Nancy refused to endorse her as vp for 2020. Will. I answers your question. Answer mine. I think you can easily leave the debate out since under fear of perjury someone has testified that abc fixed the whole thing. He says he has recordings too. Just waiting for abc to respond. What is Kamala’s excuse for being the worst vp ever? Why is she a word salad when asked something she isn’t prepared for?


Trump is 77. I would assume he will slow down some. But he still runs circles around Kamala. And he damn sure won’t be on vacation for more than half his time in the White House.
Lol. OK, Zinger. Have a good one.
 
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Lol. OK, Zinger. Have a good one.
You asked me the question. Of course you won’t answer mine. You ask a leading question. I asked you this for four years about Biden. What answer did I get from you? Deep state fakes. Best Biden ever. He is cogent according to Scarborough. I gave you an honest answer and even admitted he may be slowing down at 77. But comparing the two, is just not even close. And it is just so you can feel better. Please answer the questions I asked in return. Or just 2. Why promote the worst person ever to do her current job? Would you advise any business to do this?
 
Lol. OK, Zinger. Have a good one.
Will. Honestly, do you think Trump may deserve some grace when speaking in public. I know this is blasphemy to ask you this. I will ask @celticdawg too. This is taking it down a notch. Above is what is more or less message board posting. But I think you get my point.

If you had experienced your third assassination attempt. Two in the last few months. Would you be a little distracted when speaking in public? I would think any human may be checking the surroundings. Especially after the first one. When they let someone get that close to killing you. Sudden movement or anything reflecting would have to distract your attention. I am not blaming any of his speeches going off point at times on this, but wouldn’t you both be a little worried while speaking. I don’t know how he does it.
 
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You asked me the question. Of course you won’t answer mine. You ask a leading question. I asked you this for four years about Biden. What answer did I get from you? Deep state fakes. Best Biden ever. He is cogent according to Scarborough. I gave you an honest answer and even admitted he may be slowing down at 77. But comparing the two, is just not even close. And it is just so you can feel better. Please answer the questions I asked in return. Or just 2. Why promote the worst person ever to do her current job? Would you advise any business to do this?
I failed to see the question as I was overwhelmed by the genius of the Zinger Weave of an answer.

So, the debate was fixed, and it doesn't count. Are you F-ing kidding me? How was it fixed? There wasn't a single question asked that you or I, much less professional politicians, couldn't have anticipated. Not one. If Trump was surprised by any topic, he and his team are criminally incompetent. Well, now that I think about it, maybe I answered my own question...

The first question was about the economy and the cost of living. Muir even quoted Trump in asking "are you better off than you were four years ago". The third question was about immigration and the border, another Trump strong point. If the debate was fixed, you wouldn't think they would start with two of the first three questions being the weakest topics for Harris. It was set up perfectly for Trump to capture the early momentum, which he completely failed to do.

I guess ABC managed to get inside Trump's head and mind-control him into stupidly taking every obvious piece of bait that Harris threw out there. They forced him to talk about immigrants eating pets and post-birth baby murder. Did ABC force Trump to angrily yell that Biden hates Harris or to keep lying about election fraud? Neat trick, it must be new deep-state tech.

Seriously, what specifically are you accusing ABC and Harris of when you say the debate was fixed?

You love to talk polls. Reminder, Trump had the second worst approval rating of any modern exiting president, besting only Nixon at the bottom of the list. Two impeachments and trying to steal an election will do that to a president.

The only poll that matters will conclude November 5th.

Will. Honestly, do you think Trump may deserve some grace when speaking in public. I know this is blasphemy to ask you this. I will ask @celticdawg too. This is taking it down a notch. Above is what is more or less message board posting. But I think you get my point.

If you had experienced your third assassination attempt. Two in the last few months. Would you be a little distracted when speaking in public? I would think any human may be checking the surroundings. Especially after the first one. When they let someone get that close to killing you. Sudden movement or anything reflecting would have to distract your attention. I am not blaming any of his speeches going off point at times on this, but wouldn’t you both be a little worried while speaking. I don’t know how he does it.
I challenge you to find any clips from 2016, or 2020 for that matter, that approach Trump's current inability to stay on topic or form cogent arguments. Find me some sharks and batteries and fictional serial killers. Even in the 2020 debate where he instructed the Proud Boys to "stand back and stand by", he was far more competent than anything we are seeing now.

Like Trump, you are free to keep talking about Biden. He isn't the candidate.

Harris and Walz continue to come across as sane, normal, competent people. Trump and Vance do not. Trump and Vance manage to insult women, legal immigrants and other voters on a near daily basis. It's not going to end well for the GOP.

The biggest question I have at this point for the Chat is, if it gets violent, who is going to condemn the violence and who is going to make excuses for it? Sadly, I suspect we will be given the opportunity to answer that question.
 
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Some can separate politics from religion, some can’t - I know that I can.

Safety & my wallet are the most important to me. He’s been proven the better choice in that.

Not looking for the perfect Christian to vote for, just someone to get the job done. All that other stuff is just BS, smoke & mirrors.
There are no perfect Christians and if Christians stay away from elections then we will get what we deserve. I believe you have to be involved in voting and pick the lesser of two evils if that is all you have. If Trump had not won in 2016, Hillary would have been the one to select 3 supreme court justices. Just think where we would be now. There are too many things the left will push through if we sit by and allow Kamala and the Dems to take control of the House and Senate.
 
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As you are well aware, Trump’s efforts to steal the election went well beyond the court system.

Here’s some more violent rhetoric, this time from Trump’s racist advisor who traveled with him to both the debate and the 9/11 memorial.



Oh, and there is another bomb threat at a Springfield, OH middle school this morning.

Neither one of those are calling for people on the left to be murdered. Loomer was suggesting they be tried for treason. Are you blaming Reps of the bomb threats? Have I missed a story saying who is doing this?
 
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I understand what happened also, Willie.

Joe Biden beat Donald Trump in a free and fair election. After the election, Donald Trump tried to overturn it. Except for the actions of a few brave patriots who decided to stand up to him, Trump might have succeeded.

You're exactly right. What Trump did was a crime.
The last thing Trump wanted on J6 was violence. He wanted Pence to send back to the states that had serious questions as to fraud. This is allowed under the constitution and was set up for a reason. The states would then have until the 20th to reevaluate and determine if how they were going to vote. Violence prevented this from happening.
 
If Trump had not won in 2016, Hillary would have been the one to select 3 supreme court justices. Just think where we would be now. There are too many things the left will push through if we sit by and allow Kamala and the Dems to take control of the House and Senate
False. We would have more moderate justices because pubs would've had Senate still and need their approval to get confined. It would've been the best scenario in my opinion. Justices should be moderate. The current construct is anything but moderate, and that goes for all 9.

Trump's should've only gotten 1, at most 2. McConnell rigged the rules for trump to get 3.
 
I failed to see the question as I was overwhelmed by the genius of the Zinger Weave of an answer.

So, the debate was fixed, and it doesn't count. Are you F-ing kidding me? How was it fixed? There wasn't a single question asked that you or I, much less professional politicians, couldn't have anticipated. Not one. If Trump was surprised by any topic, he and his team are criminally incompetent. Well, now that I think about it, maybe I answered my own question...

The first question was about the economy and the cost of living. Muir even quoted Trump in asking "are you better off than you were four years ago". The third question was about immigration and the border, another Trump strong point. If the debate was fixed, you wouldn't think they would start with two of the first three questions being the weakest topics for Harris. It was set up perfectly for Trump to capture the early momentum, which he completely failed to do.

I guess ABC managed to get inside Trump's head and mind-control him into stupidly take every obvious piece of bait that Harris threw out there. They forced him to talk about immigrants eating pets and post-birth baby murder. Did ABC force Trump to angrily yell that Biden hates Harris or to keep lying about election fraud? Neat trick, it must be new deep-state tech.

Seriously, what specifically are you accusing ABC and Harris of when you say the debate was fixed?

You love to talk polls. Reminder, Trump had the second worst approval rating of any modern exiting president, besting only Nixon at the bottom of the list. Two impeachments and trying to steal an election will do that to a president.

The only poll that matters will conclude November 5th.


I challenge you to find any clips from 2016, or 2020 for that matter, that approach Trump's current inability to stay on topic or form cogent arguments. Find me some sharks and batteries and fictional serial killers. Even in the 2020 debate where he instructed the Proud Boys to "stand back and stand by", he was far more competent than anything we are seeing now.

Like Trump, you are free to keep talking about Biden. He isn't the candidate.

Harris and Walz continue to come across as sane, normal, competent people. Trump and Vance do not. Trump and Vance manage to insult women, legal immigrants and other voters on a near daily basis. It's not going to end well for the GOP.

The biggest question I have at this point for the Chat is, if it gets violent, who is going to condemn the violence and who is going to make excuses for it? Sadly, I suspect we will be given the opportunity to answer that question.

You didn’t answer one question I asked. All of that and not one answer. The attached link above is the abc debacle. Who knows if it is true or not. But the whistleblower isn’t a trump guy either. FWIW. Also, abc sure is taking a long time to respond.

I will go look at some clips of Trump in 16 and 20. I will see if you are right. I have always felt like he jumps all over the place. He uses humor which gets him off point at times. Either way he does hours off the cuff. Something Biden and Harris refuse to do. One because he can’t, the other because it turns into drivel. That is the only real truth here. You are reacting angrily because you know I am right. Biden made you all look like fools for years. I am sorry to use that word but it is the truth.

Fact remains, you are promoting a caricature of herself. Someone who has been the worst in every single stop she has made. Have we ever had a real question about a vp not being on the ticket for a second term? Rare in my lifetime. This is who you are supporting for better or for worse. Her history says like everything else she will be the worst.

The poll you reference was the day after 1-6. You know this. Two years later the poll drastically changed. Why is that? Because your candidate was a trainwreck.
 
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False. We would have more moderate justices because pubs would've had Senate still and need their approval to get confined. It would've been the best scenario in my opinion. Justices should be moderate. The current construct is anything but moderate, and that goes for all 9.

Trump's should've only gotten 1, at most 2. McConnell rigged the rules for trump to get 3.
Like KB Brown? LOL
 
Will. Honestly, do you think Trump may deserve some grace when speaking in public. I know this is blasphemy to ask you this. I will ask @celticdawg too. This is taking it down a notch. Above is what is more or less message board posting. But I think you get my point.

If you had experienced your third assassination attempt. Two in the last few months. Would you be a little distracted when speaking in public? I would think any human may be checking the surroundings. Especially after the first one. When they let someone get that close to killing you. Sudden movement or anything reflecting would have to distract your attention. I am not blaming any of his speeches going off point at times on this, but wouldn’t you both be a little worried while speaking. I don’t know how he does it.
Let me first say that you were asked to comment on Trump's comments, as quoted. And, also, to comment on Trump's deterioration. I didn't really see, in your response, anything about what Trump said. And "I would assume he would slow down" isn't much of a comment about Trump's deterioration. The rest of what you wrote doesn't even come close to a comment on those two questions.

Trump deserves some grace when speaking in public; I don't have a problem with that (I'll consider grace as giving consideration to what he has been through). But I never hear about his opponents being at his speeches - just his supporters. And I don't think grace needs to be shown when his speeches are discussed. Is this how he is going to talk for the next four years? I certainly don't expect Kamala to be treated nicely and she is treated worse than Trump in my mind. Should she deserve some grace from having to take over the campaign at a late stage (just kidding, but get the idea)?

I don't think many can put themselves in Trump's position of being exposed to these assassination attempts - I certainly can't. I can imagine being distracted but if I planned on being President for four years I would just have to suck it up and try and use it to my advantage. You don't know how he does it? Try being one of the biggest narcissists we have seen. Nothing is going to stop him from getting out in public as much as he can. His problem is what he does with it. To generalize past history, when a Presidency has failed in the public's eye (and we disagree on how much failure), it's easy taking for the other Party to seize on what they saw are the failures. Trump fails to do this, over and over again. To make matters worse for him, he and Vance are making false statements which is not winning the undecided in my opinion, and continuing the divide he has created.
 
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Let me first say that you were asked to comment on Trump's comments, as quoted. And, also, to comment on Trump's deterioration. I didn't really see, in your response, anything about what Trump said. And "I would assume he would slow down" isn't much of a comment about Trump's deterioration. The rest of what you wrote doesn't even come close to a comment on those two questions.

Trump deserves some grace when speaking in public; I don't have a problem with that (I'll consider grace as giving consideration to what he has been through). But I never hear about his opponents being at his speeches - just his supporters. And I don't think grace needs to be shown when his speeches are discussed. Is this how he is going to talk for the next four years? I certainly don't expect Kamala to be treated nicely and she is treated worse than Trump in my mind. Should she deserve some grace from having to take over the campaign at a late stage (just kidding, but get the idea)?

I don't think many can put themselves in Trump's position of being exposed to these assassination attempts - I certainly can't. I can imagine being distracted but if I planned on being President for four years I would just have to suck it up and try and use it to my advantage. You don't know how he does it? Try being one of the biggest narcissists we have seen. Nothing is going to stop him from getting out in public as much as he can. His problem is what he does with it. To generalize past history, when a Presidency has failed in the public's eye (and we disagree on how much failure), it's easy taking for the other Party to seize on what they saw are the failures. Trump fails to do this, over and over again. To make matters worse for him, he and Vance are making false statements which is not winning the undecided in my opinion, and continuing the divide he has created.
I appreciate the response. Point is I am giving a little that he is 77 years old and may be slowing down Celtic. You guys never gave an inch until his smooth brain was laid to rest in front of you.

Your last paragraph is interesting my friend. We will see who wins. You could certainly be right. That being said you can’t accuse Trump and Vance of false statements without recognizing ads running right now that are not even remotely truthful. They are misleading. And full of viewpoints never associated with her till now. She told 25 lies during the debate. You can’t glaze over that after accusing the other side of the same. 51 cia agents changed the last election. A president who in all likelihood sold out his country. They probably decided to fight fire with fire sadly. They have no choice. Amazing how much you don’t like the same thing done to you.
 
I appreciate the response. Point is I am giving a little that he is 77 years old and may be slowing down Celtic. You guys never gave an inch until his smooth brain was laid to rest in front of you.

Your last paragraph is interesting my friend. We will see who wins. You could certainly be right. That being said you can’t accuse Trump and Vance of false statements without recognizing ads running right now that are not even remotely truthful. They are misleading. And full of viewpoints never associated with her till now. She told 25 lies during the debate. You can’t glaze over that after accusing the other side of the same. 51 cia agents changed the last election. A president who in all likelihood sold out his country. They probably decided to fight fire with fire sadly. They have no choice. Amazing how much you don’t like the same thing done to you.
51 CIA agents? For real? Which ones were they?
 
51 CIA agents? For real? Which ones were they?

Yes. They admitted they lied about the laptop being Russian disinformation. Go back and look. We could have found out about Biden and hunter’s dealings a long time ago. If not for these guys. Biden knew it was a lie. His campaign manager put them up to it. Yet brought this up anyway in response to trump’s questions about hunter’s business dealings in Ukraine and other places. This isn’t even in question anymore. You know the fbi admitted they over stepped going after him as well. And you wonder why he doesn’t trust the doj.

 
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Yes. They admitted they lied about the laptop being Russian disinformation. Go back and look. We could have found out about Biden and hunter’s dealings a long time ago. If not for these guys. Biden knew it was a lie. His campaign manager put them up to it. Yet brought this up anyway in response to trump’s questions about hunter’s business dealings in Ukraine and other places. This isn’t even in question anymore. You know the fbi admitted they over stepped going after him as well. And you wonder why he doesn’t trust the doj.

They never said it was Russian disinfo. They said it had 'all the classic earmarks of a Russian information operation'. Those are 2 different statements.
 
They never said it was Russian disinfo. They said it had 'all the classic earmarks of a Russian information operation'. Those are 2 different statements.


Here is the exact statement word for word in the debate. It was written ambiguously by the cia on purpose. But not used like this for public consumption by the current potus. I am sure you will deny his direct quote where he answers yes to it being Russian disinformation. That is what we were told. Exact words from joe. Oh and really?
 
The last thing Trump wanted on J6 was violence. He wanted Pence to send back to the states that had serious questions as to fraud. This is allowed under the constitution and was set up for a reason. The states would then have until the 20th to reevaluate and determine if how they were going to vote. Violence prevented this from happening.
No, the Constitution does not allow Pence to send back to the states.
 
I am curious Will, what is it you don't believe about God/Jesus? Not trying to be a smart arse. Just curious why you believe what you believe?
I was raised Episcopalian and believe in the teachings of Christ. I don't currently attend church and as you have probably inferred from my other posts, I have significant issues with many of those who currently promote themselves as being Christians while supporting DJT.


You didn’t answer one question I asked. All of that and not one answer. The attached link above is the abc debacle. Who knows if it is true or not. But the whistleblower isn’t a trump guy either. FWIW. Also, abc sure is taking a long time to respond.

I will go look at some clips of Trump in 16 and 20. I will see if you are right. I have always felt like he jumps all over the place. He uses humor which gets him off point at times. Either way he does hours off the cuff. Something Biden and Harris refuse to do. One because he can’t, the other because it turns into drivel. That is the only real truth here. You are reacting angrily because you know I am right. Biden made you all look like fools for years. I am sorry to use that word but it is the truth.

Fact remains, you are promoting a caricature of herself. Someone who has been the worst in every single stop she has made. Have we ever had a real question about a vp not being on the ticket for a second term? Rare in my lifetime. This is who you are supporting for better or for worse. Her history says like everything else she will be the worst.

The poll you reference was the day after 1-6. You know this. Two years later the poll drastically changed. Why is that? Because your candidate was a trainwreck.
I'm not angry. I just find the suggestion that ABC and Harris cheated and somehow forced Trump into his horrid performance, absurd on its face. BTW, ABC has addressed the charges, and we are still waiting on the appearance of the whistleblower. There were plenty of affidavits about election fraud too and they all turned out to be total BS.

Is your question, why is Harris worthy of support when she was the worst VP ever? If so, I didn't answer because that's not really a question. I'm not going to respond to your subjective view on the job that Harris did as VP as if it is fact. You can say she was unpopular for much of her term as VP, to which I respond I don't care, what's her favorability rating now (she is still VP) and as people vote.

I think Trump was by far the worst president in modern history, and the only POTUS with worse polling on the day they left office (which was when the poll I keep referencing was taken) was the guy forced to resign at threat of impeachment. But I'm certainly not going to demand you answer the question of why you support the worst, second most unpopular POTUS of the last one hundred years as if this is some statement of fact. It's what I believe, but it's not fact.

I am going to ask you, as I have so many times before, how you can support the only president in our history who tried to use lies and a violent mob to stay in office, as that is a far less subjective position for me to take. I understand that you don't agree, at least about the violence, but I have an extremely detailed federal indictment and multiple state indictments to back up my view. That's a lot more substantive than polling.

I think we have plenty of evidence that Trump is a malignant narcissist who will continue to erode the underpinnings of our representational republic. I also think he is showing very clear age-related deterioration that should be obvious to the same people who were so concerned about Biden. I owned up to the fact I was wrong about Biden and made it clear the Dem party needed to make a change. The GOP is clearly Ride or Die with Trump, regardless of how crazy his angry ramblings become, and I can promise you they are going to get worse.

EDIT: I'm so confused. Did Trump lose the debate because of cheating (still haven't seen anyone detail what that means when both candidates should have absolutely known what topics were going to be covered), or did Trump actually time-delay a win of the debate? BTW, the pundit Trump references is Hannity, but "everyone" thinks he won?

 
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