We will know by Friday, January 24, 2025 how Trump's presidency is going to go

[OriginalGatorHator]

If the Jan 6th Defendants are not all pardoned by that date, then Trump has learned nothing about power or about his enemies.

I am optimistic about Trump's upcoming rule but people need to understand it is the last opportunity to turn this car around, whether or not Trump pardons the Jan6 Defendants will be the sign as to whether the car is getting turned around or if we are just going to pull the car over at a rest stop before careening off the cliff in 2028.

 

[Double Bogey Dawg]

From Jack Smith's report:

"The people who took Mr. Trump at his word formed a massive crowd that broke onto
restricted Capitol grounds and into the building, violently attacking law enforcement officers
protecting the Capitol and those inside. Officers have described being assaulted by rioters
wielding bear spray, metal bats and flag poles, and other improvised weapons. A Metropolitan
Police Department (MPD) commander recounted that the scene was "a non-stop barrage of just
strikes, with weapons and things being thrown, and pepper spray, and you name it. Everything
being hurled at these [officers]. You could hear them yelling. You could hear them, screams and
moans, and everything else." Multiple officers stated that they feared for their lives when
among the rioters that day. One MPD officer put that fear at "a hundred percent" from the
moment he entered the crowd, and he explained that he thought he might die: "You know, you're
getting pushed, kicked, you know, people are throwing metal bats at you and all that stuff. I was
like, yeah, this is ****ing it." A U.S. Capitol Police officer similarly recalled thinking, "I
think I might die today." And in one instance, an MPD officer recounted that rioters dragged
him into the crowd, where they beat and tased him while yelling things like, "I got one!" and,
"Kill him with his gun!"

The January 6 rioters assaulted at least 140 law enforcement officers that day, and at least
123 defendants have been charged with using a deadly or dangerous weapon or causing serious
bodily injury to law enforcement."

But by all means, Donald, pardon every one of them. After all, they were only doing what you told them to do.

 

[Eastmandawg]

From Jack Smith's report:

"The people who took Mr. Trump at his word formed a massive crowd that broke onto
restricted Capitol grounds and into the building, violently attacking law enforcement officers
protecting the Capitol and those inside. Officers have described being assaulted by rioters
wielding bear spray, metal bats and flag poles, and other improvised weapons. A Metropolitan
Police Department (MPD) commander recounted that the scene was "a non-stop barrage of just
strikes, with weapons and things being thrown, and pepper spray, and you name it. Everything
being hurled at these [officers]. You could hear them yelling. You could hear them, screams and
moans, and everything else." Multiple officers stated that they feared for their lives when
among the rioters that day. One MPD officer put that fear at "a hundred percent" from the
moment he entered the crowd, and he explained that he thought he might die: "You know, you're
getting pushed, kicked, you know, people are throwing metal bats at you and all that stuff. I was
like, yeah, this is ****ing it." A U.S. Capitol Police officer similarly recalled thinking, "I
think I might die today." And in one instance, an MPD officer recounted that rioters dragged
him into the crowd, where they beat and tased him while yelling things like, "I got one!" and,
"Kill him with his gun!"

The January 6 rioters assaulted at least 140 law enforcement officers that day, and at least
123 defendants have been charged with using a deadly or dangerous weapon or causing serious
bodily injury to law enforcement."

But by all means, Donald, pardon every one of them. After all, they were only doing what you told them to do.

He "told them" to do it??? Gotta axe, how do you know?

 

[DawgWCK]

He "told them" to do it??? Gotta axe, how do you know?

Yep, not a huge Trump fan or supporter (yes on Voter) but he told them to demonstrate peacefully. You could argue there were some mixed messages from Trump for sure but I never took it to mean violence.

Responding to the OP, I hope they are conditional pardons, certainly not blanket. In most cases, time served would be suffice and some clearing of records. We shall see.

 

[LRA Dawg]

He said he would be a dictator from day 1 and that is what I fully expect. You could argue the dictatorship has already started.

 

[Southern_brand]

He said he would be a dictator from day 1 and that is what I fully expect. You could argue the dictatorship has already started.

Show me where he said that, in context.

 

[Double Bogey Dawg]

Responding to Eastman:

"Statistically impossible to have lost the 2020 election. Big protest in D.C. on January 6th. Be there, will be wild!"--Trump tweet, 1:42 AM, 12/19/20

"VOTER FRAUD IS NOT A CONSPIRACY THEORY, IT IS A FACT!!!"--12/24

"The 'Justice' Department and the FBI have done nothing about the 2020 Presidential Election Voter Fraud, the biggest SCAM in our nation's history, despite overwhelming evidence. They should be ashamed. History will remember. Never give up. See everyone in D.C. on January 6th."--12/26

"Just say the election was corrupt and leave the rest to me and the Republican congressman." Trump to Richard Donoghue and Jeff Rosen, 12/27 meeting

"The BIG protest rally in Washington, D.C. will take place at 11A.M. on January 6th. Locational details to follow. StopTheSteal!--tweet, 2:53 pm 1/1/21

"Massive amounts of evidence will be presented on the 6th. We won, BIG!--3:10 pm 1/1

"January 6th. See you in D.C."--6:38 pm 1/1

"An attempt to steal a landslide win. Can't let it happen!"--6:15 pm 1/2

"I will be there. Historic day!"--10:27 am 1/3

"See you in D.C."--10:27 am 1/5

"The Vice President has the power to reject fraudulently chosen electors."--11:06 am

"Washington is being inundated with people who don't want to see an election victory stolen by emboldened Radical Left Democrats. Our Country has had enough, they won't take it anymore! We hear you (and love you) from the Oval Office. MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!"--5:05 pm

"I hope the Democrats, and even more importantly, the weak and ineffective RINO section of the Republican Party, are looking at the thousands of people pouring into D.C. They won't stand for a landslide election victory to be stolen."--5:12 pm

"Get smart Republicans. FIGHT!"--12:43 am 1/6

"If Vice President @Mike_Pence comes through for us, we will win the Presidency....Mike can send it back!"--1 am

"The States want to redo their votes. They found out they voted on a FRAUD. Legislatures never approved. Let them do it. BE STRONG!"--9:15 am

"Democrats attempted the most brazen and outrageous election theft and there's never been anything like this. Everybody knows it....We fight like hell. And if you don't fight like hell, you're not going to have a country anymore." Trump speech, Jan 6th

"Mike Pence didn't have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our Country and our Constitution, giving States a chance to certify a corrected set of facts, not the fraudulent or inaccurate ones which they were asked to previously certify. USA demands the truth!"--Trump tweet 2:42 pm 1/6

 

[seatonsdawgs]

He said he would be a dictator from day 1 and that is what I fully expect. You could argue the dictatorship has already started.

Responding to Eastman:

"Statistically impossible to have lost the 2020 election. Big protest in D.C. on January 6th. Be there, will be wild!"--Trump tweet, 1:42 AM, 12/19/20

"VOTER FRAUD IS NOT A CONSPIRACY THEORY, IT IS A FACT!!!"--12/24

"The 'Justice' Department and the FBI have done nothing about the 2020 Presidential Election Voter Fraud, the biggest SCAM in our nation's history, despite overwhelming evidence. They should be ashamed. History will remember. Never give up. See everyone in D.C. on January 6th."--12/26

"Just say the election was corrupt and leave the rest to me and the Republican congressman." Trump to Richard Donoghue and Jeff Rosen, 12/27 meeting

"The BIG protest rally in Washington, D.C. will take place at 11A.M. on January 6th. Locational details to follow. StopTheSteal!--tweet, 2:53 pm 1/1/21

"Massive amounts of evidence will be presented on the 6th. We won, BIG!--3:10 pm 1/1

"January 6th. See you in D.C."--6:38 pm 1/1

"An attempt to steal a landslide win. Can't let it happen!"--6:15 pm 1/2

"I will be there. Historic day!"--10:27 am 1/3

"See you in D.C."--10:27 am 1/5

"The Vice President has the power to reject fraudulently chosen electors."--11:06 am

"Washington is being inundated with people who don't want to see an election victory stolen by emboldened Radical Left Democrats. Our Country has had enough, they won't take it anymore! We hear you (and love you) from the Oval Office. MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!"--5:05 pm

"I hope the Democrats, and even more importantly, the weak and ineffective RINO section of the Republican Party, are looking at the thousands of people pouring into D.C. They won't stand for a landslide election victory to be stolen."--5:12 pm

"Get smart Republicans. FIGHT!"--12:43 am 1/6

"If Vice President @Mike_Pence comes through for us, we will win the Presidency....Mike can send it back!"--1 am

"The States want to redo their votes. They found out they voted on a FRAUD. Legislatures never approved. Let them do it. BE STRONG!"--9:15 am

"Democrats attempted the most brazen and outrageous election theft and there's never been anything like this. Everybody knows it....We fight like hell. And if you don't fight like hell, you're not going to have a country anymore." Trump speech, Jan 6th

"Mike Pence didn't have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our Country and our Constitution, giving States a chance to certify a corrected set of facts, not the fraudulent or inaccurate ones which they were asked to previously certify. USA demands the truth!"--Trump tweet 2:42 pm 1/6

 

[Eastmandawg]

Responding to Eastman:

"Statistically impossible to have lost the 2020 election. Big protest in D.C. on January 6th. Be there, will be wild!"--Trump tweet, 1:42 AM, 12/19/20

"VOTER FRAUD IS NOT A CONSPIRACY THEORY, IT IS A FACT!!!"--12/24

"The 'Justice' Department and the FBI have done nothing about the 2020 Presidential Election Voter Fraud, the biggest SCAM in our nation's history, despite overwhelming evidence. They should be ashamed. History will remember. Never give up. See everyone in D.C. on January 6th."--12/26

"Just say the election was corrupt and leave the rest to me and the Republican congressman." Trump to Richard Donoghue and Jeff Rosen, 12/27 meeting

"The BIG protest rally in Washington, D.C. will take place at 11A.M. on January 6th. Locational details to follow. StopTheSteal!--tweet, 2:53 pm 1/1/21

"Massive amounts of evidence will be presented on the 6th. We won, BIG!--3:10 pm 1/1

"January 6th. See you in D.C."--6:38 pm 1/1

"An attempt to steal a landslide win. Can't let it happen!"--6:15 pm 1/2

"I will be there. Historic day!"--10:27 am 1/3

"See you in D.C."--10:27 am 1/5

"The Vice President has the power to reject fraudulently chosen electors."--11:06 am

"Washington is being inundated with people who don't want to see an election victory stolen by emboldened Radical Left Democrats. Our Country has had enough, they won't take it anymore! We hear you (and love you) from the Oval Office. MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!"--5:05 pm

"I hope the Democrats, and even more importantly, the weak and ineffective RINO section of the Republican Party, are looking at the thousands of people pouring into D.C. They won't stand for a landslide election victory to be stolen."--5:12 pm

"Get smart Republicans. FIGHT!"--12:43 am 1/6

"If Vice President @Mike_Pence comes through for us, we will win the Presidency....Mike can send it back!"--1 am

"The States want to redo their votes. They found out they voted on a FRAUD. Legislatures never approved. Let them do it. BE STRONG!"--9:15 am

"Democrats attempted the most brazen and outrageous election theft and there's never been anything like this. Everybody knows it....We fight like hell. And if you don't fight like hell, you're not going to have a country anymore." Trump speech, Jan 6th

"Mike Pence didn't have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our Country and our Constitution, giving States a chance to certify a corrected set of facts, not the fraudulent or inaccurate ones which they were asked to previously certify. USA demands the truth!"--Trump tweet 2:42 pm 1/6

In other words, you’re FOS. Wake me up when you have evidence of him telling people to riot.

 

[OriginalGatorHator]

He said he would be a dictator from day 1 and that is what I fully expect. You could argue the dictatorship has already started.

 

[LRA Dawg]

You don't need to hope. Trump does what he says, right? Gitcher T shirt right here! https://www.amazon.com/Dictator-Hilarious-Trump-Support-T-Shirt/dp/B0DDCB7HJT

Selling fast. Order now while supplies last.

 

[TivoliDawg]

If the Jan 6th Defendants are not all pardoned by that date, then Trump has learned nothing about power or about his enemies.

I am optimistic about Trump's upcoming rule but people need to understand it is the last opportunity to turn this car around, whether or not Trump pardons the Jan6 Defendants will be the sign as to whether the car is getting turned around or if we are just going to pull the car over at a rest stop before careening off the cliff in 2028.

You want to pardon people who attacked police officers?

 

[TivoliDawg]

Yep, not a huge Trump fan or supporter (yes on Voter) but he told them to demonstrate peacefully. You could argue there were some mixed messages from Trump for sure but I never took it to mean violence.

Responding to the OP, I hope they are conditional pardons, certainly not blanket. In most cases, time served would be suffice and some clearing of records. We shall see.

He said the election was rigged and a fraud (it was neither). If that is true, then rioting would be appropriate.

Whoops. It was all made up by kooks on the internet and Trump believed it.

Kamala, and Dems in general are nuts, but if a person actually believe Trump you’re a fool.

It doesn’t have to be this way, we can actually demand quality politicians who don’t lie. That is a thing you can ask for.

 

[Athens is Heaven]

From Jack Smith's report:

"The people who took Mr. Trump at his word formed a massive crowd that broke onto
restricted Capitol grounds and into the building, violently attacking law enforcement officers
protecting the Capitol and those inside. Officers have described being assaulted by rioters
wielding bear spray, metal bats and flag poles, and other improvised weapons. A Metropolitan
Police Department (MPD) commander recounted that the scene was "a non-stop barrage of just
strikes, with weapons and things being thrown, and pepper spray, and you name it. Everything
being hurled at these [officers]. You could hear them yelling. You could hear them, screams and
moans, and everything else." Multiple officers stated that they feared for their lives when
among the rioters that day. One MPD officer put that fear at "a hundred percent" from the
moment he entered the crowd, and he explained that he thought he might die: "You know, you're
getting pushed, kicked, you know, people are throwing metal bats at you and all that stuff. I was
like, yeah, this is ****ing it." A U.S. Capitol Police officer similarly recalled thinking, "I
think I might die today." And in one instance, an MPD officer recounted that rioters dragged
him into the crowd, where they beat and tased him while yelling things like, "I got one!" and,
"Kill him with his gun!"

The January 6 rioters assaulted at least 140 law enforcement officers that day, and at least
123 defendants have been charged with using a deadly or dangerous weapon or causing serious
bodily injury to law enforcement."

But by all means, Donald, pardon every one of them. After all, they were only doing what you told them to do.

Straight out of some Hollywood script so dramatic!

 

[Athens is Heaven]

You want to pardon people who attacked police officers?

Not the ones who attacked police officers but the people that were there that didn’t do anything. Ashlie Babbit was not attacking anyone when she was murdered by a left wing radical.

 

[OriginalGatorHator]

You want to pardon people who attacked police officers?

 

[Zonadog]

He said he would be a dictator from day 1 and that is what I fully expect. You could argue the dictatorship has already started.

No he didn't. You need to review your misquote and the context in which his actual comments were made.

 

[Athens is Heaven]

No he didn't. You need to review your misquote and the context in which his actual comments were made.

He said he would be a dictator for one day! And that would be to stop the border crossings.

 

[TivoliDawg]

Not the ones who attacked police officers but the people that were there that didn’t do anything. Ashlie Babbit was not attacking anyone when she was murdered by a left wing radical.

I agree with you. It's funny how the liberal nuts were complaining about "unarmed civilians" getting "gunned down" by police... until a Republican was shot by police. Then it was appropriate.

That being said, I can see the officer's position. It was a riot and leeway needs to be given.

 

[TivoliDawg]

He said he would be a dictator from day 1 and that is what I fully expect. You could argue the dictatorship has already started.

he didn't say he would be a dictator from day 1, he said he would be a dictator for one day. He was trying to be funny.

And it is unstatesmanlike to joke about things like that, but Trump is not a statesman.

 

[Athens is Heaven]

I agree with you. It's funny how the liberal nuts were complaining about "unarmed civilians" getting "gunned down" by police... until a Republican was shot by police. Then it was appropriate.

That being said, I can see the officer's position. It was a riot and leeway needs to be given.

I agree with riot but not insurrection!

 

[LRA Dawg]

No he didn't. You need to review your misquote and the context in which his actual comments were made.

He certainly did say it and many of his supporters revel in it.

Lets take a look at the dictator checklist and check in at 6 months and see how many he completes:

- Eliminate your enemies by ruining their political careers or putting them in prison
- Attack or control the press
- Expand your power by acquiring new territory
- Place people around you who will only tell you what you want to hear and who are 100% loyal
- Challenge the results any election that does not go your way
- Purge anyone in the military who does not explicitly agree with your direction, either in public or private
- Demonize and dehumanize any person or groups of people who disagree with your viewpoint
- Reach favorable deals and empower other dictators on the globe
- Find a way to stay in power indefinitely after the current term ends.

 

[PotimusWillie]

From Jack Smith's report:

"The people who took Mr. Trump at his word formed a massive crowd that broke onto
restricted Capitol grounds and into the building, violently attacking law enforcement officers
protecting the Capitol and those inside. Officers have described being assaulted by rioters
wielding bear spray, metal bats and flag poles, and other improvised weapons. A Metropolitan
Police Department (MPD) commander recounted that the scene was "a non-stop barrage of just
strikes, with weapons and things being thrown, and pepper spray, and you name it. Everything
being hurled at these [officers]. You could hear them yelling. You could hear them, screams and
moans, and everything else." Multiple officers stated that they feared for their lives when
among the rioters that day. One MPD officer put that fear at "a hundred percent" from the
moment he entered the crowd, and he explained that he thought he might die: "You know, you're
getting pushed, kicked, you know, people are throwing metal bats at you and all that stuff. I was
like, yeah, this is ****ing it." A U.S. Capitol Police officer similarly recalled thinking, "I
think I might die today." And in one instance, an MPD officer recounted that rioters dragged
him into the crowd, where they beat and tased him while yelling things like, "I got one!" and,
"Kill him with his gun!"

The January 6 rioters assaulted at least 140 law enforcement officers that day, and at least
123 defendants have been charged with using a deadly or dangerous weapon or causing serious
bodily injury to law enforcement."

But by all means, Donald, pardon every one of them. After all, they were only doing what you told them to do.

The only part about that statement is “a massive crowd”.

Other than that, even the idea that a group of citizens without guns could storm the capital building is laughable.

Or we are the least prepared country in the world.

Sure hope a group of terrorists don’t show up with pocket knives and clubs. Reckon we would tour them around the building?

The whole concept is laughable.

 

[PotimusWillie]

He certainly did say it and many of his supporters revel in it.

Lets take a look at the dictator checklist and check in at 6 months and see how many he completes:

- Eliminate your enemies by ruining their political careers or putting them in prison
- Attack or control the press
- Expand your power by acquiring new territory
- Place people around you who will only tell you what you want to hear and who are 100% loyal
- Challenge the results any election that does not go your way
- Purge anyone in the military who does not explicitly agree with your direction, either in public or private
- Demonize and dehumanize any person or groups of people who disagree with your viewpoint
- Reach favorable deals and empower other dictators on the globe

First point- Dems did exactly that
Second point - Dems did exactly that
Third point - ? Are you saying he’s personally buying a new hotel?
Fourth point - Dems did exactly that
Fifth point - Always contend irregularities in any governmental process. The Covid voting rules allowed for grace misuse of the process.
Sixth point- Just hire trans and woke DEI leadership that follows your beliefs. The Dems did exactly that.
Seventh point- Yep, like deplorables, white supremest monikers, transphobes, xenophobes, fascists, racists…… you know, all the terms those fun loving Dems used to keep us united.
Eighth point - laughable

 

[55dawg]

He said he would be a dictator from day 1 and that is what I fully expect. You could argue the dictatorship has already started.

Not what he said

 

[Papapete11]

From Jack Smith's report:

"The people who took Mr. Trump at his word formed a massive crowd that broke onto
restricted Capitol grounds and into the building, violently attacking law enforcement officers
protecting the Capitol and those inside. Officers have described being assaulted by rioters
wielding bear spray, metal bats and flag poles, and other improvised weapons. A Metropolitan
Police Department (MPD) commander recounted that the scene was "a non-stop barrage of just
strikes, with weapons and things being thrown, and pepper spray, and you name it. Everything
being hurled at these [officers]. You could hear them yelling. You could hear them, screams and
moans, and everything else." Multiple officers stated that they feared for their lives when
among the rioters that day. One MPD officer put that fear at "a hundred percent" from the
moment he entered the crowd, and he explained that he thought he might die: "You know, you're
getting pushed, kicked, you know, people are throwing metal bats at you and all that stuff. I was
like, yeah, this is ****ing it." A U.S. Capitol Police officer similarly recalled thinking, "I
think I might die today." And in one instance, an MPD officer recounted that rioters dragged
him into the crowd, where they beat and tased him while yelling things like, "I got one!" and,
"Kill him with his gun!"

The January 6 rioters assaulted at least 140 law enforcement officers that day, and at least
123 defendants have been charged with using a deadly or dangerous weapon or causing serious
bodily injury to law enforcement."

But by all means, Donald, pardon every one of them. After all, they were only doing what you told them to do.

I think I know you, but you used to have a different name.

 

[Zonadog]

He certainly did say it and many of his supporters revel in it.

Lets take a look at the dictator checklist and check in at 6 months and see how many he completes:

- Eliminate your enemies by ruining their political careers or putting them in prison
- Attack or control the press
- Expand your power by acquiring new territory
- Place people around you who will only tell you what you want to hear and who are 100% loyal
- Challenge the results any election that does not go your way
- Purge anyone in the military who does not explicitly agree with your direction, either in public or private
- Demonize and dehumanize any person or groups of people who disagree with your viewpoint
- Reach favorable deals and empower other dictators on the globe

Nope, you got it wrong. No need to go any further.

 

[LRA Dawg]

First point- Dems did exactly that
Second point - Dems did exactly that
Third point - ? Are you saying he’s personally buying a new hotel?
Fourth point - Dems did exactly that
Fifth point - Always contend irregularities in any governmental process. The Covid voting rules allowed for grace misuse of the process.
Sixth point- Just hire trans and woke DEI leadership that follows your beliefs. The Dems did exactly that.
Seventh point- Yep, like deplorables, white supremest monikers, transphobes, xenophobes, fascists, racists…… you know, all the terms those fun loving Dems used to keep us united.
Eighth point - laughable

I would agree the Dems did most of that by committee. Trump will do it far more effectively though.

 

[OriginalGatorHator]

To all my fellow Trump supporters .... yall realize that Trump will have to act like a dictator in order to turn this country around right?

Do you honestly believe a slim majority in the house and a mitch mcconnell lead Senate is going to do anything on Trump's agenda that threatens the Deep State?

Do you not think there are going to ample District Court judges who issue injunctions against mass deportations?

Trump is going to have to ignore Congress and the Courts in order to accomplish what he was put in Office to do.

 

[woofn]

He said he would be a dictator from day 1 and that is what I fully expect. You could argue the dictatorship has already started.

lol…so ignorant and so absurdly wrong. He said he’d be a dictator for 1 day (look it up)…was to over ride Biden being a dunbass

 

[DawgWCK]

He said the election was rigged and a fraud (it was neither). If that is true, then rioting would be appropriate.

Whoops. It was all made up by kooks on the internet and Trump believed it.

Kamala, and Dems in general are nuts, but if a person actually believe Trump you’re a fool.

It doesn’t have to be this way, we can actually demand quality politicians who don’t lie. That is a thing you can ask for.

I think there is fraud in every national election, suspect it was more in 2020 than normal, enough in some of the swing states to flip the election, no idea. If you don't show picture ID to vote, there is certainly going to be fraud. Doesn't take a kook or internet rumor to belive that.

I believe Trump to the same level I would Biden or most Washington politicians, not very much. I would never call anyone a fool, but folks that think the Biden / Harris or Harris /Walz administrations were or would be better than Trump / Vance or Trump / Pence are mighty close. The last 4 years of Biden have been bad in every category.

I wanted DeSantis, thought he was best candidate with proven track record with little character flaws. Still do. Vance had less character flaws than Trump, Harris and Walz combined multiplied by .10%.

Many Trump voters like myself are cautiously optimistic he is going to do some really good things in 2025. We had NO CONFIDENCE Harris or Biden was going to do any good things if they got in there again.

 

[LRA Dawg]

I think there is fraud in every national election, suspect it was more in 2020 than normal, enough in some of the swing states to flip the election, no idea. If you don't show picture ID to vote, there is certainly going to be fraud. Doesn't take a kook or internet rumor to belive that.

I believe Trump to the same level I would Biden or most Washington politicians, not very much. I would never call anyone a fool, but folks that think the Biden / Harris or Harris /Walz administrations were or would be better than Trump / Vance or Trump / Pence are mighty close. The last 4 years of Biden have been bad in every category.

I wanted DeSantis, thought he was best candidate with proven track record with little character flaws. Still do. Vance had less character flaws than Trump, Harris and Walz combined multiplied by .10%.

Many Trump voters like myself are cautiously optimistic he is going to do some really good things in 2025. We had NO CONFIDENCE Harris or Biden was going to do any good things if they got in there again.

It's good to see at least somebody still cares about the character of the candidate.

 

[Double Bogey Dawg]

In other words, you’re FOS. Wake me up when you have evidence of him telling people to riot.

You just don't get it, do you, dumbass?

When Trump did the things he did--line up the fake electors, threaten and lie to state election officials, lie to the public about election fraud that never happened, whip up the riot to delay the vote count on Jan 6th--he wasn't just trying to steal my vote, he was also trying to steal yours, and the vote of every other American who cast a ballot in the 2020 election.

 

[Eastmandawg]

You just don't get it, do you, dumbass?

When Trump did the things he did--line up the fake electors, threaten and lie to state election officials, lie to the public about election fraud that never happened, whip up the riot to delay the vote count on Jan 6th--he wasn't just trying to steal my vote, he was also trying to steal yours, and the vote of every other American who cast a ballot in the 2020 election.

“But by all means, Donald, pardon every one of them. After all, they were only doing what you told them to do.”

You either have quite the imagination, you were there and heard it, or you’re definitely FOS (riot).

Gonna go with the latter along with just being limited. Neither of the two are good, you are probably stuck with both. Not your fault...it’s an innate thing. I hope you at least have your health.

It’s a tough world out there, probably tougher for you.

May peace be with you....

 

[ToddBburn]

It's good to see at least somebody still cares about the character of the candidate.

Of course most do. Sadly a good number cannot see that both sides a flawed terribly and only can see one sides.

 

[Southern_brand]

He certainly did say it and many of his supporters revel in it.

Lets take a look at the dictator checklist and check in at 6 months and see how many he completes:

- Eliminate your enemies by ruining their political careers or putting them in prison
- Attack or control the press
- Expand your power by acquiring new territory
- Place people around you who will only tell you what you want to hear and who are 100% loyal
- Challenge the results any election that does not go your way
- Purge anyone in the military who does not explicitly agree with your direction, either in public or private
- Demonize and dehumanize any person or groups of people who disagree with your viewpoint
- Reach favorable deals and empower other dictators on the globe

Wow…..many of this describe the Biden administration and many other liberals across the country. Lol

 

[LRA Dawg]

To those of you who scoffed at my argument that Trump wants to be a dictator, the process for establishing himself as President for Life has already begun with a motion introduced to amend the constitution to allow a third term. You know for certain that regardless of that third term election, there is no way he will respect the results and will not leave without inciting a civil war. https://www.foxnews.com/politics/lawmaker-unveils-constitutional-amendment-give-trump-third-term

Even if the vote on this fails, he will eventually find a way to justify staying in power.

 

[Zonadog]

To those of you who scoffed at my argument that Trump wants to be a dictator, the process for establishing himself as President for Life has already begun with a motion introduced to amend the constitution to allow a third term. You know for certain that regardless of that third term election, there is no way he will respect the results and will not leave without inciting a civil war. https://www.foxnews.com/politics/lawmaker-unveils-constitutional-amendment-give-trump-third-term

Even if the vote on this fails, he will eventually find a way to justify staying in power.

Would be easier to use the Obama Method®.

That "proposed amendment" is going nowhere.

 

[maugwa]

From Jack Smith's report:

"The people who took Mr. Trump at his word formed a massive crowd that broke onto
restricted Capitol grounds and into the building, violently attacking law enforcement officers
protecting the Capitol and those inside. Officers have described being assaulted by rioters
wielding bear spray, metal bats and flag poles, and other improvised weapons. A Metropolitan
Police Department (MPD) commander recounted that the scene was "a non-stop barrage of just
strikes, with weapons and things being thrown, and pepper spray, and you name it. Everything
being hurled at these [officers]. You could hear them yelling. You could hear them, screams and
moans, and everything else." Multiple officers stated that they feared for their lives when
among the rioters that day. One MPD officer put that fear at "a hundred percent" from the
moment he entered the crowd, and he explained that he thought he might die: "You know, you're
getting pushed, kicked, you know, people are throwing metal bats at you and all that stuff. I was
like, yeah, this is ****ing it." A U.S. Capitol Police officer similarly recalled thinking, "I
think I might die today." And in one instance, an MPD officer recounted that rioters dragged
him into the crowd, where they beat and tased him while yelling things like, "I got one!" and,
"Kill him with his gun!"

The January 6 rioters assaulted at least 140 law enforcement officers that day, and at least
123 defendants have been charged with using a deadly or dangerous weapon or causing serious
bodily injury to law enforcement."

But by all means, Donald, pardon every one of them. After all, they were only doing what you told them to do.

You forgot to mention the 8 police officers killed that day..................

 

[Southern_brand]

To those of you who scoffed at my argument that Trump wants to be a dictator, the process for establishing himself as President for Life has already begun with a motion introduced to amend the constitution to allow a third term. You know for certain that regardless of that third term election, there is no way he will respect the results and will not leave without inciting a civil war. https://www.foxnews.com/politics/lawmaker-unveils-constitutional-amendment-give-trump-third-term

Even if the vote on this fails, he will eventually find a way to justify staying in power.

The amendment is going nowhere and despite my Trump support, the Tenn. legislature is an idiot for proposing such a thing. Outside of Jesus Christ himself, I want no one to be president for life in the US.