NRA making way to much sense for the left,

[1966septemberdawg]

Self reliant ? The NRA is made up of manipulators, manipulated, overly fearful, posers and dupes.

There isn't a rational reason to oppose universal background checks. It's telling that those Who are the most obsessed with gun rights are the most fearful the world around them.

We currently have background checks on anyone who legally purchases a gun.
this new intrusion makes gun sellers do background checks on people who already have approval through an FBI approved background check in the way of a Permit to carry a gun. This is the first step to head in the direction of denying someone who may have been depressed at some time their second amendment right and also start a data base on those who own guns for future confiscation from an overreaching government. When that occurs the first amendment will also be a thing of the past. This is not a delusional concept, just look through the course of history and see how government has strppied citizens rights for the "Good of all". Be careful of what you wish for. "A government big enough to provide you with everything you want, is big enough to take everything you own." -Gerald Ford

 

[HeulenHund2]

We currently have background checks on anyone who legally purchases a gun.
this new intrusion makes gun sellers do background checks on people who already have approval through an FBI approved background check in the way of a Permit to carry a gun. This is the first step to head in the direction of denying someone who may have been depressed at some time their second amendment right and also start a data base on those who own guns for future confiscation from an overreaching government. When that occurs the first amendment will also be a thing of the past. This is not a delusional concept, just look through the course of history and see how government has strppied citizens rights for the "Good of all". Be careful of what you wish for. "A government big enough to provide you with everything you want, is big enough to take everything you own." -Gerald Ford

You know full well background checks are not required for private sales in most states. Repeating that lie over and over won't change the facts.

 

[Boost Assendahm]

Greater concern is increasing depth and breadth of "control" or monitoring of gun and gun sales registration may play well to most voters. The elephant being ignored is the continued vilification and/or neutering of LAW enforcement officers in our neighborhoods and communities. How does a neutered police force motivate citizens to feel safe on the street or in their homes?

 

[Molardawg2]

I bet Heulenhund doesn't wear a seatbelt, lest he be considered paranoid of being in a car accident.....bada bing!

 

[HeulenHund2]

I bet Heulenhund doesn't wear a seatbelt, lest he be considered paranoid of being in a car accident.....bada bing!

I'm just telling truth and being sensible, this site is in short supply of both.

 

[1966septemberdawg]

You know full well background checks are not required for private sales in most states. Repeating that lie over and over won't change the facts.

They should not be required for private sales. You once again are putting the burden on HONEST citizens. The criminals do not care if they break any laws(that is why they are criminals) and will get the guns even if Law abiding citizens are refused their own protection. We should also require drug dealers to register when they sell illegal drugs, that would solve all the world's problems. Legislation and big government is the answer to all our problems. Because people will not break laws if they are on the books, right?

 

[HeulenHund2]

They should not be required for private sales. You once again are putting the burden on HONEST citizens. The criminals do not care if they break any laws(that is why they are criminals) and will get the guns even if Law abiding citizens are refused their own protection. We should also require drug dealers to register when they sell illegal drugs, that would solve all the world's problems. Legislation and big government is the answer to all our problems. Because people will not break laws if they are on the books, right?

Your reasoning is just silly. There wouldn't be any more burden on honest citizens than there is in selling a car between private owners now.
You NRA lap dogs frustrate the huge majority of Americans Who see this for what it is.

 

[1966septemberdawg]

Your reasoning is just silly. There wouldn't be any more burden on honest citizens than there is in selling a car between private owners now.
You NRA lap dogs frustrate the huge majority of Americans Who see this for what it is.

The liberal lapdogs do not understand the erosion of the individuals Freedom. This is nothing more than the left trying to subvert the ability of it's governed class the ability to defend the first amendment by keeping the second amendment intact. Honest people already follow the law, so your reasoning is just once again putting the burden on the Law abiding citizens, and asking them to allow the criminals to run roughshod over them with no way of protecting themselves.

 

[HeulenHund2]

The liberal lapdogs do not understand the erosion of the individuals Freedom. This is nothing more than the left trying to subvert the ability of it's governed class the ability to defend the first amendment by keeping the second amendment intact. Honest people already follow the law, so your reasoning is just once again putting the burden on the Law abiding citizens, and asking them to allow the criminals to run roughshod over them with no way of protecting themselves.

I know the ''slippery slope'' argument, it's absurd. There is very little difference ideologically between dealers running checks and individuals having to follow the same rules. It just so happens that rule wasn't in place at the time the gun industry bought The NRA and instructed them to never give an inch.

 

[1966septemberdawg]

You are such a consp

I know the ''slippery slope'' argument, it's absurd. There is very little difference ideologically between dealers running checks and individuals having to follow the same rules. It just so happens that rule wasn't in place at the time the gun industry bought The NRA and instructed them to never give an inch.

You are such the conspiracy theorist. The NRA is an organization of everyday Americans, unlike lobbyist or community organizers or even acorn thugs. The NRA has a mission to protect the second amendment rights from the kind of government you salivate over. Overreaching and smothering to the general climate of free enterprise and individual freedoms. The most important minority is the individual. The next time you sell something on E-bay you should try to go through some sort of background check and register your sale and or product, sounds kind of intrusive doesn't it? Personal freedom takes responsibility, and not just anyone can handle it, obviously look at all the dependants on the government dole. It is very sad, these people do not even know they exist under the modern plantation with a new massa, no race excluded.

 

[HeulenHund2]

You are such a consp

You are such the conspiracy theorist. The NRA is an organization of everyday Americans, unlike lobbyist or community organizers or even acorn thugs. The NRA has a mission to protect the second amendment rights from the kind of government you salivate over. Overreaching and smothering to the general climate of free enterprise and individual freedoms. The most important minority is the individual. The next time you sell something on E-bay you should try to go through some sort of background check and register your sale and or product, sounds kind of intrusive doesn't it? Personal freedom takes responsibility, and not just anyone can handle it, obviously look at all the dependants on the government dole. It is very sad, these people do not even know they exist under the modern plantation with a new massa, no race excluded.

You guys are the ones afraid to do the sane thing because ''the government'' is out to get You.
It's not a conspiracy theory to think The gun industry supports The NRA, it's fact. Le Perrier is an industry stooge.

 

[Molardawg2]

I know the ''slippery slope'' argument, it's absurd. There is very little difference ideologically between dealers running checks and individuals having to follow the same rules. It just so happens that rule wasn't in place at the time the gun industry bought The NRA and instructed them to never give an inch.

Who says everyone here is in favor of dealers running checks?

 

[HeulenHund2]

Who says everyone here is in favor of dealers running checks?

Nobody, I assume You'd like to hold lotteries for machine guns at grade schools.

 

[1966septemberdawg]

Nobody, I assume You'd like to hold lotteries for machine guns at grade schools.

Now that is a start, you are on the right line of thinking now.
Maybe we can put cyanide in the free government cheese to, don't be absurd.
All we want is for our freedoms to remain intact and not infringed upon by ignorant people who fear guns as the problem. It is the people who are the problem. Was murder or crime only committed after guns came along? Your fear of a tool of great power in the right hands does not constitute stripping law abiding citizens of their God given rights by an oppressive government.

 

[HeulenHund2]

Now that is a start, you are on the right line of thinking now.
Maybe we can put cyanide in the free government cheese to, don't be absurd.
All we want is for our freedoms to remain intact and not infringed upon by ignorant people who fear guns as the problem. It is the people who are the problem. Was murder or crime only committed after guns came along? Your fear of a tool of great power in the right hands does not constitute stripping law abiding citizens of their God given rights by an oppressive government.

Relax Bud, nobody wants to prevent You from wearing Your camo costume and strutting around with a gun making the world safe for other insecure patriots.
It's just a few minor adjustments that would likely save many lives and surely would be a step towards a Nation of more responsible Citizens We're advocating.

 

[1966septemberdawg]

Relax Bud, nobody wants to prevent You from wearing Your camo costume and strutting around with a gun making the world safe for other insecure patriots.
It's just a few minor adjustments that would likely save many lives and surely would be a step towards a Nation of more responsible Citizens We're advocating.

I do not wear camo and I am a responsible citizen. It is the irresponsible we are worried about. The welfare recipients and the thugs that use the guns as a tool of mass destruction. The laws on the books cover what you speak of, obama wants a way to determine which LAW abiding citizens have guns so big brother can come and take them away. If the current laws were enforced and law enforcement officers respected by this banana republic we would be on the way to a better world.The so called rednecks or cowboys you fear are the ones that would lay their lives down to protect those who choose not to exercise their second amendment rights. If you think we are paranoid ask a native american how trustworthy our government is. Look through history and see how dictators and fascist take guns from their citizens to inflict their government on the masses. That is imminent if we are not diligent in protecting our rights from day one.

 

[Molardawg2]

Nobody, I assume You'd like to hold lotteries for machine guns at grade schools.

Yeah. Those two things are exactly the same. You win.

 

[Molardawg2]

I do not wear camo and I am a responsible citizen. It is the irresponsible we are worried about. The welfare recipients and the thugs that use the guns as a tool of mass destruction. The laws on the books cover what you speak of, obama wants a way to determine which LAW abiding citizens have guns so big brother can come and take them away. If the current laws were enforced and law enforcement officers respected by this banana republic we would be on the way to a better world.The so called rednecks or cowboys you fear are the ones that would lay their lives down to protect those who choose not to exercise their second amendment rights. If you think we are paranoid as a native american how trustworthy our government is. Look through history and see how dictators and fascist take guns from their citizens to inflict their government on the masses. That is imminent if we are not diligent in protecting our rights from day one.

But, but, but.....this is Americuh...that would never happen here.

Just like the American left thinks the failed socialist policies of Western Europe would actually work if only WE perfected and properly implemented them.

 

[HeulenHund2]

Yeah. Those two things are exactly the same. You win.

Nobody wins, except the people who profit from frightened NRA supporters and crooked/cowardly politicians.

 

[1966septemberdawg]

Nobody wins, except the people who profit from frightened NRA supporters and crooked/cowardly politicians.

We are not frightened, we are mad as hell and will stand up for this once great nation in the hopes of returning it to its former glory and prominence in this screwed up world we all live in now.

 

[HeulenHund2]

We are not frightened, we are mad as hell and will stand up for this once great nation in the hopes of returning it to its former glory and prominence in this screwed up world we all live in now.

So by allowing criminals and crazies to buy weapons from private owners just by showing up with cash, You're going to assuage Your anger and return this Nation to greatness.
I'm beginning to think some of You can only buy from private owners, maybe that is Your real issue.

 

[1966septemberdawg]

So by allowing criminals and crazies to buy weapons from private owners just by showing up with cash, You're going to assuage Your anger and return this Nation to greatness.
I'm beginning to think some of You can only buy from private owners, maybe that is Your real issue.

You have a comprehension problem, We are LAW ABIDING CITIZENS and can buy weapons legally. Have you reported all the cash you have ever received from any sales( I do not think so). The private sellers that obey the law would not sale to shady types, you distrust honest citizens more than you do criminals. The crux of obamas plan is to force the gun sellers to build a data base for big government so they know who to steal the guns from when they are ready. It must be really fun living in your world where everything is rosey and good is evil and evil is good.
You know it is all about government control, just as the ACA is not about providing health care to american citizens. It is about more power for the federal government, and controlling 1/8 of the US economy. Ever notice how when government steps in the problem gets worse and we spend a lot more money as we watch it fail?

 

[UGAdawg2014]

So by allowing criminals and crazies to buy weapons from private owners just by showing up with cash, You're going to assuage Your anger and return this Nation to greatness.
I'm beginning to think some of You can only buy from private owners, maybe that is Your real issue.

I buy and sell guns privately all the time. If some hoodrat shows up to buy/sell I'm getting the he11 out of there.

You act as if a law is going to stop a criminal. Your argument is completely illogical and invalid. You are without a doubt wrong in every respect.

 

[dawg510]

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[DAWG1980]

I once had a retail gun store. An FFL are the only ones required to do background checks. Gun shows dealers do not. This loophold needs to be closed.

 

[jenkinscreekdawg]

I once had a retail gun store. An FFL are the only ones required to do background checks. Gun shows dealers do not. This loophold needs to be closed.

a lot of dealers sell at gun shows , in fact, most weapons recently being sold at the gun shows are sold by FFL holders and they require the paper work from buyers . one website i read in georgia list guns offered by individuals , and most state that they won't sell out of state and they require a CWP .

 

[Lewis & Herschel]

Every dealer at a gun show is required to do a background check....lord there is some dumbasses.

The only people not required to do background checks are private individuals that are not dealers usually walking around the show with a for sale sign on the gun or someone who bought a booth to sell a private collection. They are usually old clunkers like grandpa's old double barrel. That said they are bound by the same laws as well as the people buying them.

 

[Molardawg2]

Hey Heulenhund..... You say the government doesn't want to take anyone's guns eh?

GA HB 731 disagrees with you.

 

[jcddawg]

Not true, The NRA always has Their own polls where They ask questions in a loaded manner, but every poll I've seen has a minimum of 85% of registered voters in favor of universal background checks.
I don't pay attention to anything The NRA has Their sneaky, gun industry lobbyist hands in.

The media I was referring to was MSNBC. Where did I say NRA in my post?

 

[HeulenHund2]

The media I was referring to was MSNBC. Where did I say NRA in my post?

The last poll I found from MSNBC asking for an up or down on Universal Background Checks is from July 4 2014, it came in at over 90% in favor, as did all their annual polls asking that question.
There is a ''user created poll'' up now, I voted but no results are showing. Those are not at all scientific anyway.

The last poll I've found asked ''should every person buying a gun have to pass a background check'' it was dated Oct 2015 by Quinnipiac.
Here are the results.

Republicans - 90% yes
Independents - 92% yes
Democrats - 98% yes.

Like I said before, the tiny tail is wagging the huge American Dog on this issue.
It's despicable Congress doesn't have the honesty or balls to get this done.

 

[FeralDawg]

Those who would give up Essential Liberty
to purchase a little Temporary Safety,
deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.

I didn't like the Patriot Act and the knee-jerk infringements
and I sure don't like this. It goes after senior citizens, the little guy,
and the law abiding common man, all while this administration is throwing open jails and freeing people who have committed serious crimes (some with weapons) and if this isn't the height of hypocracy
I'm not sure what is. A little ceremonial tear shed, and he simply MAKES new rules on his own. While we send money overseas to build nukes for crazies that make the average Southern gun nut look tame. The thing is - that this is simply bait. Watch what the OTHER hand is doing while all this is going on. This POTUS is just rapidly setting fires all over while his people set up rules, rules, rules left and right that do nothing but slowly put more chains on the average Joe and raise taxes to send to the indolent here and foreign interests elsewhere.
It's as stupid as the Swedish efforts to help the Syrian (and some NOT Syrian) refugees fit in by offering tax funded sniper school.
You read that right. Sniper school. Training their own killers. We
are making that same sort of sense when we turn killers loose from Guantanamo, and our own jails, but make NOT having insurance or papers to sell a gun to your cousin a crime that you can be imprisoned for. And you still can't see this for what it is?

 

[jenkinscreekdawg]

The last poll I found from MSNBC asking for an up or down on Universal Background Checks is from July 4 2014, it came in at over 90% in favor, as did all their annual polls asking that question.
There is a ''user created poll'' up now, I voted but no results are showing. Those are not at all scientific anyway.

The last poll I've found asked ''should every person buying a gun have to pass a background check'' it was dated Oct 2015 by Quinnipiac.
Here are the results.

Republicans - 90% yes
Independents - 92% yes
Democrats - 98% yes.

Like I said before, the tiny tail is wagging the huge American Dog on this issue.
It's despicable Congress doesn't have the honesty or balls to get this done.

like i said before , the way questions are asked determine the desired answer , i guarantee you a small percentage of Americans would knowingly do anything to cause them to have to give up there guns or the right to purchase one if so desired . you know that is so .

 

[HuntinDawg]

The NRA is a small ideologically inflexible tail wagging a huge rational dog.
Even gun owners overwhelmingly support the types of actions The POTUS wants to take. It's completely ridiculous to resist closing the canyon sized loopholes that make it easy for criminals and mentally unstable people to procure guns.

The POTUS is 100% in the right on this issue.
The NRA is a small obstructionist organization led by zealots and the small arms industry.

NO, GUN OWNERS DO NOT SUPPORT THE POS POTUS ON GUN CONTROL. YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT.

Every one of Obama's gun control "ideas" are either already in place, based on lies or a complete affront to the 2nd Amendment and lawful gun owners. Every gun owner I know hates his miserable guts.

 

[HeulenHund2]

NO, GUN OWNERS DO NOT SUPPORT THE POS POTUS ON GUN CONTROL. YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT.

Every one of Obama's gun control "ideas" are either already in place, based on lies or a complete affront to the 2nd Amendment and lawful gun owners. Every gun owner I know hates his miserable guts.

You're either a liar or as ignorant as dirt.
Over 90% of registered voters and even a majority of NRA members support universal background checks. Obama isn't even calling for that though, He is a coward like almost all politicians. He is only calling for firming up how many guns a citizen can sell without a license. Which would be next to unless since dipshits like You would still sell criminals guns to run up north or use against Your neighbors. Of course You wouldn't KNOW You were selling to criminals, that is because You're too eat up with Your stupid AND wrong ideas about The 2nd Amendment You'd just sell without any proof of Who You sell to.

 

[HeulenHund2]

like i said before , the way questions are asked determine the desired answer , i guarantee you a small percentage of Americans would knowingly do anything to cause them to have to give up there guns or the right to purchase one if so desired . you know that is so .

You're now all but admitting You lied.
The question is very straight forward.
''Do You support background checks for all gun sales ? "
When asked that very open and easy to understand question 90% and over respond yes.
The rest is Your imagination.

 

[HeulenHund2]

Those who would give up Essential Liberty
to purchase a little Temporary Safety,
deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.

I didn't like the Patriot Act and the knee-jerk infringements
and I sure don't like this. It goes after senior citizens, the little guy,
and the law abiding common man, all while this administration is throwing open jails and freeing people who have committed serious crimes (some with weapons) and if this isn't the height of hypocracy
I'm not sure what is. A little ceremonial tear shed, and he simply MAKES new rules on his own. While we send money overseas to build nukes for crazies that make the average Southern gun nut look tame. The thing is - that this is simply bait. Watch what the OTHER hand is doing while all this is going on. This POTUS is just rapidly setting fires all over while his people set up rules, rules, rules left and right that do nothing but slowly put more chains on the average Joe and raise taxes to send to the indolent here and foreign interests elsewhere.
It's as stupid as the Swedish efforts to help the Syrian (and some NOT Syrian) refugees fit in by offering tax funded sniper school.
You read that right. Sniper school. Training their own killers. We
are making that same sort of sense when we turn killers loose from Guantanamo, and our own jails, but make NOT having insurance or papers to sell a gun to your cousin a crime that you can be imprisoned for. And you still can't see this for what it is?

''the average southern gun nut'' a little truth slipped out there didn't it.

 

[1966septemberdawg]

You're either a liar or as ignorant as dirt.
Over 90% of registered voters and even a majority of NRA members support universal background checks. Obama isn't even calling for that though, He is a coward like almost all politicians. He is only calling for firming up how many guns a citizen can sell without a license. Which would be next to unless since dipshits like You would still sell criminals guns to run up north or use against Your neighbors. Of course You wouldn't KNOW You were selling to criminals, that is because You're too eat up with Your stupid AND wrong ideas about The 2nd Amendment You'd just sell without any proof of Who You sell to.

You are not seeing the facts for your blind hatred of self reliance due to the Second amendment. obamas push is not about gun control , it is about controlling us as citizens by using this as a step in confiscating weapons by subverting the constitution and lying to achieve his goals. This big government wants a weapons free society so they may inflict their will on the citizens who would be unable to defend themselves from a tyrannical government. It is that simple. Guns are a tool that bad people use to harm others with, Good people do not harm others with weapons or sell to thugs as you state. The majority of gun owners keep their weapons and do not sell them. You forget that gun owners are responsible, honest people, not the typical dem who believes you can lie,cheat and steal as a means to their end goals. You are not intellectually honest in this argument, the big picture is pushing for a more intrusive government that will rule over us with no fear of us fighting back.

 

[Rolodawg2011]

As a gun owner, Wayne Lapierre is the most soulless, scummy bastard on the planet, and the NRA is right behind. He's the kind of swine you just want to kick the shit out of. Even though I support responsible gun ownership, I can't get behind those idiots. They don't care about their members or gun owners. They are a lobby for gun manufacturers, and their sole purpose is to make sure the flow of guns is as high as possible. They fight against existing gun laws which they lie and say they want enforced.

What? So its your opinion that gun laws work? Let me ask you one question. What do you call a person that doesn't' OBEY the law?

 

[Rolodawg2011]

The NRA is a small ideologically inflexible tail wagging a huge rational dog.
Even gun owners overwhelmingly support the types of actions The POTUS wants to take. It's completely ridiculous to resist closing the canyon sized loopholes that make it easy for criminals and mentally unstable people to procure guns.

The POTUS is 100% in the right on this issue.
The NRA is a small obstructionist organization led by zealots and the small arms industry.

No, we don't. Why do you want to punish law abiding Americans everytime a criminal shoots someone? And why do you care that its DemocRATS doing a large part of the shootings?

You want gun laws....ban democRATS from having guns. I can live with that.

 

[Rolodawg2011]

Shutting ALL legal loopholes will save lives, there's no doubt in My mind about that.
You'll oppose these common sense measures for one reason, The NRA tells You to.

Name one. And there are no "loop holes" there are however LAWS