100%. I will never understand how anyone could fuse religion to student loan bailouts. Unless some substances were involved...
On the issue of student loans, Biden is more Christian than 99% of the Republicans.
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I would have to say their parents are as much to blame for not researching the facts as degree vs loan repayment. Can you live comfortably on the money your degree pays plus having to pay off the loan.
Same bunch that championed subprime loans.
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Yes you did. When you say my tax dollars should be used to pay for the debt of others you are saying I am guilty and should pay.
The government uses tax money for many things that it should not. I don't agree with that either. But just because they are wrong on one thing does not mean they should add more corruption. its like you are saying because you catch your child underage drinking you will just ok them using drugs as well. After all, they are already messing up.
The government should not be buying votes with my money.
Again, your argument is very much out of the socialist/communist playbook. No personal responsibility, let big daddy government make everything equal for you. You are about to lose your conservative card.
How much is your loan or your kids loan? Is that the point? Are you looking for a bailout? With hard earned taxpayer money?
The reason they could not us because they made BAD decisions.
So in this analogy what it's like is if you hand your son a fifth of jack daniels and tell him drinking this everyday from the ages of 18-21 is the key to the American Dream, and not only you saying telling him that but the news, the television he watches, his pastor, and every teacher he has ever had. And good news the government is actually going to lend him money when he turns 18 so he can access the jack daniels.
So when your son turns 18 he listens to you, and his teachers, etc. At 18, He borrows money from his government and starts getting hammered, and he keeps getting hammered every day, and the price of the whiskey goes up every year.
When he finally turns 22 he quits getting hammered but as he goes around to look for the American Dream all his has is a crippling addiction to alcohol and debt. He finds a job that he could have found without getting hammered for the last 4 years, it does not pay much, he can barely pay his rent, homeownership and the American Dream is further away after doing exactly what everyone told him to do than it was before he started.
Only now the government starts calling on his note, what little money he kept from his paycheck to save is now being spent paying back all the worthless alcohol everyone encouraged him to buy over the last 4 years. He is now a slave to debt for the next 25 years at best.
I think the 22 year old alcoholic has very little personal responsibility for the above scenario. But to a certain extent personal responsibility does not matter. We as a country cannot have an entire generation of young people who are barred from accessing the American Dream, without dire consequences.
I'm a right wing nationalist, I hold very little in common with how conservatism is colloquially understood in 2025 America.
My loan repayments are going fine. Undergrad is paid for and almost through with graduate school. I am one of the lucky ones.
Could not agree more. However, the purpose of the government is ensure the prosperity for Nation. Ensuring the current generations have an equal standard of living to the older is one of its purposes. It has sabotaged this and needs to fix it.
Government for the benefit of its citizens is communist?
Oh boy. You love trying to get my threads struck.
At the risk of having my thread struck, allow me to clarify my position as to the jews considering I am tired of the libel.
Here are some things I hate:
I despise American politicians who fly foreign flags, either as a lapel, twitter profile, in the office etc. These politicians are traitors and should be exiled.
I hate the Israeli government. I contend they have far too much influence over the American government and America's relationship with the nation state of Israel has done far more harm than good. As for the Israeli people, I am indifferent. They live thousands of miles away from me and have no shared ancestry, religion, or history that makes me feel any sort of connection to them. Unlike say the English, Scots, germans or Irish.
I hate the American elites. They have been on a 100-year-long spree of robbing the American people, sending us to die in foreign wars, and trying to replace us.
I hate the ALCU and the SPLC. They have used lawfare to punish the American people for the last 80 years.
I am indifferent towards the jews. They do not hold a special place in my heart either love or malice. They aren't my people so I simply don't care. This goes for indians, the french, Mexicans, (insert other nationality/ethnic group here).
I will add I do not believe the jews are God's chosen people.
I am not indifferent towards whites. Especially southern whites. I want us to prosper.
I am not indifferent towards blacks, Especially southern blacks. We have lived together for 400 years. I want blacks to prosper.
The last thing I will add is this I do not find it to be a character flaw if a jew who loves Israel, even when he loves Israel more than loves America. To me that makes perfect sense as Israel is the home of the jewish people. I love America the same way, it is the home of my people.
This is where I post the meme that shows a bunch of men and women deplaning a C-130 onto a battlefield in Afghanistan and the caption reads "everyone wants free college until they're offered free college".
There is already a pathway by which the US Government will send you to college for free, but you have to earn it. The other pathway is Democrats and Biden will take money away from the rest of us, against our will, and give it to them in a quid pro quo exchange for votes.
That's a good idea. I'm going to prove how Christian I am by donating @gatorhater's retirement. Yeah, he'll be destitute, but I'll be "Christian". That's how it works, right? I get to give away other people's money against their will and then I take credit for being generous?
This is also just not true. "most" people can and do pay their loans back. Not that the truth will stop you. You're cooking now.
Do not hit this guy with facts. He certainly won't change his post / his opinions based on them.
And didn't you just post yesterday that the January sixth rioters who attacked police officers and are in prison should be freed by Trump?
So the folks who take out loans should not have to pay them back and the folks who attack police should not have to go to jail. Like... no accountability for anything anymore.
Wowser. Please don't vote.
The knowledge is valuable, if it’s actually knowledge and not political indoctrination, which about 50% is what it is now.
But, the value of a degree doesn’t separate you in the workforce like it used to if everyone gets one.
In addition, the traditional liberal arts degree isn’t as valuable and many of the trade school degrees. I know many welders who make as much, if not more, than I do and I respect them for it.
But, the value of a degree doesn’t separate you in the workforce like it used to if everyone gets one.
In addition, the traditional liberal arts degree isn’t as valuable and many of the trade school degrees. I know many welders who make as much, if not more, than I do and I respect them for it.
The taking of my money to give to others is communist. From those that have to those that have need.
So in this analogy what it's like is if you hand your son a fifth of jack daniels and tell him drinking this everyday from the ages of 18-21 is the key to the American Dream, and not only you saying telling him that but the news, the television he watches, his pastor, and every teacher he has ever had. And good news the government is actually going to lend him money when he turns 18 so he can access the jack daniels.
So when your son turns 18 he listens to you, and his teachers, etc. At 18, He borrows money from his government and starts getting hammered, and he keeps getting hammered every day, and the price of the whiskey goes up every year.
When he finally turns 22 he quits getting hammered but as he goes around to look for the American Dream all his has is a crippling addiction to alcohol and debt. He finds a job that he could have found without getting hammered for the last 4 years, it does not pay much, he can barely pay his rent, homeownership and the American Dream is further away after doing exactly what everyone told him to do than it was before he started.
Only now the government starts calling on his note, what little money he kept from his paycheck to save is now being spent paying back all the worthless alcohol everyone encouraged him to buy over the last 4 years. He is now a slave to debt for the next 25 years at best.
I think the 22 year old alcoholic has very little personal responsibility for the above scenario. But to a certain extent personal responsibility does not matter. We as a country cannot have an entire generation of young people who are barred from accessing the American Dream, without dire consequences.
I'm a right wing nationalist, I hold very little in common with how conservatism is colloquially understood in 2025 America.
My loan repayments are going fine. Undergrad is paid for and almost through with graduate school. I am one of the lucky ones.
Could not agree more. However, the purpose of the government is ensure the prosperity for Nation. Ensuring the current generations have an equal standard of living to the older is one of its purposes. It has sabotaged this and needs to fix it.
Government for the benefit of its citizens is communist?
Posting the Slyvester cat gif above is perfect. Talking to you is exactly like that.
I see your still paying so looking for a handout I suppose is one way to explain how one could be so wrong on this topic.
The government is for infrastructure and defense primarily, seems you are looking for more. Maybe try Canada, I here you can get free health care from the government.
Next you are going to tell us the govt. should use our tax dollars to pay for baby murder because women sometimes want an abortion and can't afford to pay. SMH.
Why are people barred from accessing the American dream? Many people accessed the American dream after going broke first. Paying back a loan that they decided to take out is not stopping anyone from accessing the American dream.
I guess you believe everything the govt tells you. Did you take the jab? All people can decide for themselves how they want to navigate life. All it takes is a little look around to see that gender studies won't take you far toward the American dream. I at first thought about becoming a teacher and being a coach, but decided by myself after looking at the pay, to major in Accounting instead. All I see from you is you wanting the gov to take from others to pay for personal choices that may not have been good.
Just to clear up some scriptures quoted in this thread that is misinterpreted:
In the Old Testament scriptures God told the Hebrew people they were not to charge interest on fellow Hebrews.
The Jubilee was never followed once by the Hebrew people.
Now you may continue.
In the Old Testament scriptures God told the Hebrew people they were not to charge interest on fellow Hebrews.
The Jubilee was never followed once by the Hebrew people.
Now you may continue.
not so sure it’s most, more like many choose not to pay back…I do think the colleges charge too much, but that’s another topic. There’s some corruption, some that are over paid in the education system…definitely needs to be scrutinized and held more accountable.
Bottom line is that using someone else’s money to forgive debts is not a noble gesture that should be considered “Christian”. If Biden or anyone wants to use their personal wealth to help someone with student loans then we can have a discussion about how that is representative of how a Christian can use their influence to help others.
I agree with what you are saying, but the majority of the time it is the parents who tell their kids that they are going to college. I have raised 3 kids and only 1 finished college. She graduated from UGA 4 years ago, could not make any money and is now doing a job where she is making much much more than she did in her major. Her 2 siblings who did not want to college are established family people making very good money with a future and no expense for me. This is the key, I planned for all 3 to go to college, but I listened and let the other 2 chose their own path and not mine for them to go to college
None of what you're saying makes left wingers Christian in anyway what so ever. You have an the American Dream is a lie explanation but what is your Biblical argument? Because you made a Biblical statement but gave a political/secular reason.
Have you bothered to do a full Bible study on usury?
I think you are agreeing with me on the free markets point right? Prior to the feds going nuts on loaning dollars for college, tuition was a lot cheaper and profs / admin made a lot less. In other words, before the feds manipulated the free markets with a cash dump, tuition and salaries were determined by free market. Now they are not.
I had three daughters all went to college and are now school teachers and me and my wife have helped them pay off every bit of there stendent loans that my friend is what you do living up to what is right it was hard but in the end it was the right thing to do. its called your obligation responseabilty to what you said you would do..
That is fantastic that you and your wife helped your children pay off their debt. That is what parents are supposed to do.
But, and again, most of Gen Z and millennials don’t have that safety net, good parents willing and able to do so.
Yes there is a variety of different factors which brought us here. One of which is certainly the fed going nuts with both lending money to prospective students and the rampant funding of higher education.
The others include, like you said the dumping and printing of trillions of dollars into the economy sky rocketing inflation and devaluing our dollar, the civil rights administration’s new program DEI which actively discriminates against young white men, the importation of foreigners who create artificial competition for jobs and lower wages, while increasing housing costs.
I think we agree on the basic premise here:
1) It is true that young men should work hard and take the opportunities available to them even in difficult situations
2) It is okay to notice that the several factors including inflation, immigration, DEI, and a degenerating marriage environment pose unique problems that require solutions.
One of my proposed solutions is to seize the endowments of the universities and pay off the loans.
First off, all of this is Jimmy Carters fault.
You can also add in Clintons push for the repeal of Glass-Steagal. While it has nothing directly to do with Jimmy Carters Dept of Educations lack of guardrails, it furthered the general demise of accountability.
Secondly, one of many reasons Donald Trump is our new President can be summed up in Pennsylvania. A big political talking point was about student loans. 30% of PA residents went to college. The pitch was why should 70% of the population pay for their college. It is a taxpayer burden. No way to spin it.
As we all know, Pennsylvania was critical and Trump won it.
You can also add in Clintons push for the repeal of Glass-Steagal. While it has nothing directly to do with Jimmy Carters Dept of Educations lack of guardrails, it furthered the general demise of accountability.
Secondly, one of many reasons Donald Trump is our new President can be summed up in Pennsylvania. A big political talking point was about student loans. 30% of PA residents went to college. The pitch was why should 70% of the population pay for their college. It is a taxpayer burden. No way to spin it.
As we all know, Pennsylvania was critical and Trump won it.
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So you are now creating a whole new generation of victims. This is a bunch of crap. I live my life based on Personal Responsibility. You are where you are in life based on the decisions you have made throughout your life. I was the last of four kids with a single Mom(Father died), so I had to pay for the majority of my College. Did I go out and run up loans? No. I worked full-time and went to school also. If I could not afford a full load, I didn't take a full load. It took me 5 and a half years to get my degree(going year round, so I went to college basically twice as long as normal- 22 Quarters vs 12 ), but I got it not owing a single dollar. It is a person's responsibility(another decision) to get a degree in something that will earn them a living. With every decision, there is a easy road and a harder road. It is not other peoples responsibility if these students decided to take the easy road.
Repaying your debts can be found numerous places in the Bible. For example Exodus 22:14 "If a man borrows anything of his neighbor, and it is injured or dies, the owner not being with it, he shall make full restitution". There are countless other examples. On society telling kids they should go to college, that's a different conversation that we likely agree on. I don't think everyone should go to college, and it's not necessary for success. However, if you do go to college and take out loans you are responsible for paying them back. It's the same concept of buying a house. Owning your own home is also part of the American dream, but you don't hear lenders saying they should forgive home loan repayments. Tighter underwriting standards for student debt would go a long way, but like anything, you have to be accountable for your actions.
Holy hell. I agree with you. Ladies and Gentlemen, hell is freezing over and pigs have wings.
Do you realize how many college students get these loans and just live off them, all while earning or trying to get meaningless degrees.... they get the most money they can so they can have an apartment, not have to work, and still go party and live the college life. Then you have the people that go to private colleges or expensive schools to major in marketing, business management, philosophy, art history, fine arts etc... How many kids have went to D3 schools just to play sports in college and then graduate with a degree and $100,000 in debt that degree cant pay off. My taxes should not go to bail these people out of the debt they accrued because of their choices. We have too many situations as i have mentioned to try and take the moral/religious high ground saying we should help the younger generation... College can open doors but even when i went I was under no delusion that once i graduated i was going to have this great career waiting for me.
Then, they should not have taken a student loan just to stay on campus and party. Many young men and women I know are working a job and going to college at night or online or part time because they know they can't do it any other way. I paid my children's student debts and I should not have to pay any other kids because some politician is using this "relief" for his gain. If you took out the debt, you can pay it back. Maybe you have to give up something or work two jobs for a season of life. Pay your debts!
America is substantially different in 2025 than it was when colleges were still on the quarters system.
My first two years of school was paid for by my parents. I got married, fathered a child, and got a job which I worked for two years saving what I could but paying for everything I purchased. I went back to school and worked full time as my wife worked part time waiting tables when I could care for our child. I had to borrow money to pay for my last year of school but I graduated from UGA in 1974. I paid back the loan in two years and I did not ask for a handout from someone else. I incurred the debt and it was my responsibility to pay it off, not pass it on to someone that did not ask for the debt nor own it. Responsibility is what so many of our society do not understand. The bible also says that if you don't work, you don't eat.
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