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Should Christians Vote for Donald Trump?

If you think Jan 6 was a legitimate attempt to overthrow the government, I don't know what to tell you.

If you want question his morality, and effectiveness, that's fine. But accusing him of directing a coup is ridiculous.
Why was Trump imploring Pence to block certification and what was he hoping to accomplish?
Why were the rioters in DC on that specific date?
Why are numerous people in other states currently under indictment for participating in an alternate/fake elector plot?
Why were some of the rioters chanting “hang Mike Pence”.
Why did Trump wait over three hours after the violence started to finally tell his followers to go home and why did he praise them at the time and continue to praise them today, promising mass pardons?

J6 was absolutely part of a larger plan to subvert the will of the people in an effort to steal an election.
 
Why was Trump imploring Pence to block certification and what was he hoping to accomplish?
Why were the rioters in DC on that specific date?
Why are numerous people in other states currently under indictment for participating in an alternate/fake elector plot?
Why were some of the rioters chanting “hang Mike Pence”.
Why did Trump wait over three hours after the violence started to finally tell his followers to go home and why did he praise them at the time and continue to praise them today, promising mass pardons?

J6 was absolutely part of a larger plan to subvert the will of the people in an effort to steal an election.
The first unarmed coup in the history of the world!!! Come on man.
 
The first unarmed coup in the history of the world!!! Come on man.
I’ve never used the word “coup”. I said it was an attempt to subvert the electorate by stealing the election. That’s two different things.

And I don’t know how old you are, but most of the Warsaw Pact states fell without violence.
 
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I’ve never used the word “coup”. I said it was an attempt to subvert the electorate by stealing the election. That’s two different things.

And I don’t know how old you are, but most of the Warsaw Pact states fell without violence.
Without violence with the threat of violence perhaps. Armies invaded correct?

Jan 6th was a demonstration of unarmed civilians that got out of hand. The question is, who was actually provoking the people to enter the Capitol? The answer is the Feds had people in the crowd goading people to enter the Capitol.
 
I’ve never used the word “coup”. I said it was an attempt to subvert the electorate by stealing the election. That’s two different things.

And I don’t know how old you are, but most of the Warsaw Pact states fell without violence.
It was staged by the Dems to show American citizens what happens when they try to stand and protest the Dems that are killing all of our Freedoms! The feds led some into the capital and one of your team killed an unarmed female veteran as a show of good measure, to bolster their story. I guess it would have been peaceful, if they had burned the capital down and looted in the streets of DC. Conservatives have a lot to learn about proper protest, where people are killed and property is destroyed.
 
Without violence with the threat of violence perhaps. Armies invaded correct?

Jan 6th was a demonstration of unarmed civilians that got out of hand. The question is, who was actually provoking the people to enter the Capitol? The answer is the Feds had people in the crowd goading people to enter the Capitol.
The downfall of most of the Warsaw Pact communist regimes was non-violent.

Regarding your second point, it's not worthy of a response. This is the largest prosecution with by far the most direct evidence in our history. The video record and the hundreds of felony convictions speak for themselves.
 
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Why was Trump imploring Pence to block certification and what was he hoping to accomplish?
Why were the rioters in DC on that specific date?
Why are numerous people in other states currently under indictment for participating in an alternate/fake elector plot?
Why were some of the rioters chanting “hang Mike Pence”.
Why did Trump wait over three hours after the violence started to finally tell his followers to go home and why did he praise them at the time and continue to praise them today, promising mass pardons?

J6 was absolutely part of a larger plan to subvert the will of the people in an effort to steal an election.

You changed the subject.

The post I responded to specifically used the word "coup".
 
The downfall of most of the Warsaw Pact communist regimes was non-violent.

Regarding your second point, it's not worthy of a response. This is the largest prosecution with by far the most direct evidence in our history. The video record and the hundreds of felony convictions speak for themselves.
Non violent as in armies marching in. Sounds like a surrender under force.

Remember all the violent videos inside the Captiol? Me neither because they don't exist. We both know they would be on constant repeat on CNN and MSNBC if they existed. Remember the lies about all the deaths in the beginning? There was one death from the event that day. A Capitol police officer shot and killed and unarmed woman. Pathetic.
 
It was staged by the Dems to show American citizens what happens when they try to stand and protest the Dems that are killing all of our Freedoms! The feds led some into the capital and one of your team killed an unarmed female veteran as a show of good measure, to bolster their story. I guess it would have been peaceful, if they had burned the capital down and looted in the streets of DC. Conservatives have a lot to learn about proper protest, where people are killed and property is destroyed.
If the Feds suckered the good people of MAGA into attacking the Capitol, why didn't Trump simply tell them to go home when the violence first started? Why did he wait over three hours?

The level of derangement required to believe this particular conspiracy is breathtaking. There are thousands of hours of video and the actions of DJT himself to prove it wrong.
 
You changed the subject.

The post I responded to specifically used the word "coup".
Fair. So you will concede that J6 was part of an organized effort to subvert the will of the electorate and remain in power? Can you agree that all of the supposed proof of massive voter fraud, which we were promised at the time, and which was the pretext for this plan, didn't exist then and still doesn't exist now?
 
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Fair. So you will concede that J6 was part of an organized effort to subvert the will of the electorate and remain in power? Can you agree that all of the supposed proof of massive voter fraud, which was the pretext for this plan, didn't exist at the time and still doesn't exist?

I'm going to number my answers, so I can keep myself on track....not intended to be condescending:

1. No, I can't concede that totally. I do think Trump wanted to stay in power. I don't think Jan 6 was a serious attempt to do so. I mean...come on.

2. I do agree that the proof of voter fraud did not exist at the time....and doesn't now. It's been investigated and re-investigsted and it's not there.
 
Non violent as in armies marching in. Sounds like a surrender under force.

Remember all the violent videos inside the Captiol? Me neither because they don't exist. We both know they would be on constant repeat on CNN and MSNBC if they existed. Remember the lies about all the deaths in the beginning? There was one death from the event that day. A Capitol police officer shot and killed and unarmed woman. Pathetic.
You still don't understand what happened at the end of the cold war, but why am I not suprised?

No violence inside the Capitol building? Are you blind? The scene leading up to the shooting was violent, including smashing windows and attempting to break through the last barrier between the rioters and the House chamber.

And the Capitol police did a great job of preventing the protesters from getting to their targets. If they hadn't, who knows what would have happened.

 
I'm going to number my answers, so I can keep myself on track....not intended to be condescending:

1. No, I can't concede that totally. I do think Trump wanted to stay in power. I don't think Jan 6 was a serious attempt to do so. I mean...come on.

2. I do agree that the proof of voter fraud did not exist at the time....and doesn't now. It's been investigated and re-investigsted and it's not there.
Kudos for your second point. Many on here still won't concede the absence of any meaningful or material proof of fraud.

Regarding your first point, we should all get to see and hear the evidence soon enough. Keep an open mind and let's see how convincing Jack Smith's case is. Reminder that the case is not about J6 only, but what also happened in the lead up to the riot.
 
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Got cha.
Where exactly is Christianity mentioned in the constitution?
I don't really understand where you're going with this as party platforms and the Constitution are 2 entirely different things, but since you asked...

Article VII "The Ratification of the Conventions of nine States, shall be sufficient for the Establishment of this Constitution between the States so ratifying the Same.

Done in Convention by the Unanimous Consent of the States present the Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven and of the Independence of the United States of America the Twelfth In Witness whereof We have hereunto subscribed our Names,
 
It was staged by the Dems to show American citizens what happens when they try to stand and protest the Dems that are killing all of our Freedoms! The feds led some into the capital and one of your team killed an unarmed female veteran as a show of good measure, to bolster their story. I guess it would have been peaceful, if they had burned the capital down and looted in the streets of DC. Conservatives have a lot to learn about proper protest, where people are killed and property is destroyed.
Was Trump right hand man/henchman Roger Stone calling for a holy war the night before J6 acting as a government provocateur? Mighty helpful of him to aid the FBI's master plan by telling the MAGA crowd that this was a war between good and evil.

 
I'm going to number my answers, so I can keep myself on track....not intended to be condescending:

1. No, I can't concede that totally. I do think Trump wanted to stay in power. I don't think Jan 6 was a serious attempt to do so. I mean...come on.

2. I do agree that the proof of voter fraud did not exist at the time....and doesn't now. It's been investigated and re-investigsted and it's not there.
Her is an interesting view into what Trump's team was discussing as they attempted to stop certification.

 
Trump has likely committed every abomination you reference, but promotes himself as a champion for the true believers. He is the definition of a false prophet.
I would say what your candidate has allowed his son have done to kids in their own family "trumps" any other sin. I have never met a woman who doesn't think the way biden sniffs and touches children in women doesn't give off the creep vibes.

However you can research his sons iphone and see that the whole family knows what Hunter does.

Just seems like Dems want to bury their heads in the sand on this issue or just think it is perfectly acceptable.
 
I would say what your candidate has allowed his son have done to kids in their own family "trumps" any other sin. I have never met a woman who doesn't think the way biden sniffs and touches children in women doesn't give off the creep vibes.

However you can research his sons iphone and see that the whole family knows what Hunter does.

Just seems like Dems want to bury their heads in the sand on this issue or just think it is perfectly acceptable.
Did you post this in the wrong thread because it doesn't respond to what you quoted. Why does this happen so many times every day? You might be too buried in your thoughts that you can't respond to what was written.
 
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How are we to determine that?

Exactly. Ted Kennedy identified as Catholic but he raped women and left a woman to die in the river.

Bill clinton carried his Bible to church on Sundays but had Monica under his desk at work.

It is easier to identify policies that strictly go against the bible. Abortion, Gay Marriage are two huge issues that are opposite of what the bible says.

If someone got saved, turned away from their sin, attempting to turn away from their sin or at least felt conviction for wrongly supporting them it would be easier to identify them as a christian.

If you want to get real spiritual you can say we are fighting against princes and principalities. Pray, be vigilant and use the holy spirit to help discern.
 
If the Feds suckered the good people of MAGA into attacking the Capitol, why didn't Trump simply tell them to go home when the violence first started? Why did he wait over three hours?

The level of derangement required to believe this particular conspiracy is breathtaking. There are thousands of hours of video and the actions of DJT himself to prove it wrong.
He was still
At his speech when the first wave of bloodshed and citizens taking on army tanks with their bare hands occurred! Air Force jets were shot down with mean looks! It was crazy! Our Constitutional Republic almost fell that day!
 
He was still
At his speech when the first wave of bloodshed and citizens taking on army tanks with their bare hands occurred! Air Force jets were shot down with mean looks! It was crazy! Our Constitutional Republic almost fell that day!
Praying they can operate on your brain tumor.
 
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He was still
At his speech when the first wave of bloodshed and citizens taking on army tanks with their bare hands occurred! Air Force jets were shot down with mean looks! It was crazy! Our Constitutional Republic almost fell that day!
No answer to the question, so you default to mocking the one hundred or so LEOs who were injured that day. Gross.
 
No answer to the question, so you default to mocking the one hundred or so LEOs who were injured that day. Gross.
No LEO officers were killed that day as the media likes to Lie about. There were citizens and LEO’s that were injured, which should not have happened. Since when do you libs care about LEO’s? Only when they can beat down and discredit a conservative protest.
I answered your question! He was still speaking when the feds led the worst day in the history of the United States. It’s amazing DC is still habitable! I heard the senators and congressmen ( and women) were to afraid to film gay porn in the capital that day! Oh, the humanity!
 
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No LEO officers were killed that day as the media likes to Lie about. There were citizens and LEO’s that were injured, which should not have happened. Since when do you libs care about LEO’s? Only when they can beat down and discredit a conservative protest.
I answered your question! He was still speaking when the feds led the worst day in the history of the United States. It’s amazing DC is still habitable! I heard the senators and congressmen ( and women) were to afraid to film gay porn in the capital that day! Oh, the humanity!
12:53 - First violence
1:10 - Trump finishes speach and returns to WH
4:17 - Trump tells his followers to go home.

That’s a long three hours when a simple message from Trump could have ended the riot in short order.

Maybe he was working with the FBI on the entire operation. 4D chess.
 
12:53 - First violence
1:10 - Trump finishes speach and returns to WH
4:17 - Trump tells his followers to go home.

That’s a long three hours when a simple message from Trump could have ended the riot in short order.

Maybe he was working with the FBI on the entire operation. 4D chess.
How can he control the deep staters? They created the problem that day to make conservative American citizens( the productive backbone of this nation) look like leftist, antifa, or BLM. Do you think pelosi , Biden or their ilk will ever admit they created this drummed up drama? If you believe that, I’ll bet you that Hillary is really a sweet woman!
 
12:53 - First violence
1:10 - Trump finishes speach and returns to WH
4:17 - Trump tells his followers to go home.

That’s a long three hours when a simple message from Trump could have ended the riot in short order.

Maybe he was working with the FBI on the entire operation. 4D chess.
I have always had a question about those three hours. During that time at the Capitol it must have been incredibly noisy. There were maybe a couple thousand people in a swarming throng, all hollering and carrying on like a bunch of spastics at an Easter Egg Hunt. You keep saying that a “simple message from Trump could have ended the riot in short order.” Exactly how was he supposed to transmit that message to the crowd? Send out two thousand texts, as if he had their phone numbers? Go on TV? I did not see any TVs there. Email? Same as text. Go to the Capitol and reason with that huge mass? That wouldn’t work. Hire an airplane flyover with a banner that said “Go home. Signed Donald”?

Since he certainly had Pelosi’s number, I wish he would have called her and said “All clear, you can come out of the basement now.”

So since you keep saying how simple it would have been, how do you think he could have done it?
I suppose he could have tweeted out a video earlier like he did at 4:17, but I didn’t see a lot of the trespassers checking their phones and doubt it would have done much good.
 
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12:53 - First violence
1:10 - Trump finishes speach and returns to WH
4:17 - Trump tells his followers to go home.

That’s a long three hours when a simple message from Trump could have ended the riot in short order.

Maybe he was working with the FBI on the entire operation. 4D chess.
Why did Pelosi refuse the request for additional police that day?
 
I have always had a question about those three hours. During that time at the Capitol it must have been incredibly noisy. There were maybe a couple thousand people in a swarming throng, all hollering and carrying on like a bunch of spastics at an Easter Egg Hunt. You keep saying that a “simple message from Trump could have ended the riot in short order.” Exactly how was he supposed to transmit that message to the crowd? Send out two thousand texts, as if he had their phone numbers? Go on TV? I did not see any TVs there. Email? Same as text. Go to the Capitol and reason with that huge mass? That wouldn’t work. Hire an airplane flyover with a banner that said “Go home. Signed Donald”?

Since he certainly had Pelosi’s number, I wish he would have called her and said “All clear, you can come out of the basement now.”

So since you keep saying how simple it would have been, how do you think he could have done it?
I suppose he could have tweeted out a video earlier like he did at 4:17, but I didn’t see a lot of the trespassers checking their phones and doubt it would have done much good.
Of course he could have done exactly what he did at 4:17, but earlier. He tweeted twice during that timeframe, but didn’t tell them to stop or leave. In fact his first tweet was the opposite message.

At 2:24, two hours into the riot and about twenty minutes after the Capitol
Itself was breached:
"Mike Pence didn't have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our Country and our Constitution, giving States a chance to certify a corrected set of facts, not the fraudulent or inaccurate ones which they were asked to previously certify. USA demands the truth!"

2:38:
“Please support our Capitol Police and Law Enforcement. They are truly on the side of our Country. Stay peaceful![“163]

2:44: Asli Babbit is shot

4:17: Finally releases video telling rioters to leave the Capitol.

That’s more than three hours after the protest turned violent, two hours after the Capitol was breached and ninety minites after Babbit was shot. His first tweet was highly inflammatory snd his second was notable in that he didn’t tell them to stop or leave, just to not harm the police, which in that context seems to be more CYA, but maybe not.

Yes, the message might have taken time to disseminate amongst the crowd. It doesn’t matter. His intent would have been made clear if he had told them to leave earlier, just as it was made clear by the absence of that message for three hours during the worst of the violence.
 
Of course he could have done exactly what he did at 4:17, but earlier. He tweeted twice during that timeframe, but didn’t tell them to stop or leave. In fact his first tweet was the opposite message.

At 2:24, two hours into the riot and about twenty minutes after the Capitol
Itself was breached:
"Mike Pence didn't have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our Country and our Constitution, giving States a chance to certify a corrected set of facts, not the fraudulent or inaccurate ones which they were asked to previously certify. USA demands the truth!"

2:38:
“Please support our Capitol Police and Law Enforcement. They are truly on the side of our Country. Stay peaceful![“163]

2:44: Asli Babbit is shot

4:17: Finally releases video telling rioters to leave the Capitol.

That’s more than three hours after the protest turned violent, two hours after the Capitol was breached and ninety minites after Babbit was shot. His first tweet was highly inflammatory snd his second was notable in that he didn’t tell them to stop or leave, just to not harm the police, which in that context seems to be more CYA, but maybe not.

Yes, the message might have taken time to disseminate amongst the crowd. It doesn’t matter. His intent would have been made clear if he had told them to leave earlier, just as it was made clear by the absence of that message for three hours during the worst of the violence.
He had already said peacefully protest. He wasn't in charge of those people. Why did the FBI in the crowd encourage it? Wake up.
 
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