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So what's the verdict is hydroxychloroquine a gamechanger or what?

Here is the thing. Nobody, not even Trump has declared HCQ to be a silver bullet. The Trump line that stands out to me the most is it may work, it may not, we'll see.

Next, we know HCQ acts as an ionophore. We know zinc retards many viruses ability to replicate. We know HCQ does have side effects. We know drugs we take for many ailments have side effects including death in some instances.

We also know that a combination of HCQ and zinc has been administered to some that have claimed to have dramatic reduction in symptoms in a remarkably short period of time. We also know some patients have not reacted well to the cocktail.

Based on that, I simply see no reason why anyone would be aggressively trying to discredit the use of the combo. Sure, cite that there has been no clinical trials. Sure, point out that it may not work for all but at least acknowledge that a large number of patients that have received the treatment responded to some degree.

My guess would be that the combo isn't a silver bullet as much as it is a treatment that slows or stops the replication of the virus and allows the patients immune system to catch up. My guess is there are also other treatments coming on line that will work similarly and hopefully, people will just hope patients and doctors find and use what works for each individual patient and stop trying to score political points with a disease and potential treatments.

I see no reason why you need to start off with a "political" statement when discussing the drug. That's part of the problem.

I just made two posts to IT and there was no politics in there, but that's what you start off with, so I have to think it's on your mind.

Many of my responses regarding the drug have been because the post I was responding to was totally one sided. Some people think because they see one thing on the internet, that it becomes the whole truth and they don't care to learn anything.

I don't have a problem with the rest of your post because you addressed both sides and your guesses may be correct.
 
It's not really about killing the virus and maybe that is why so many people dismiss it even with all of the evidence. HCQ has anti-inflammatory effects and it suppresses the immune response. I know that sounds counter intuitive but the main threat is the over reaction of our immune system and the inflammation in the lungs. If you can control that, then we can fight off the virus naturally.
Medical experts theorize that this is why younger people do not have as much problem with this virus, their immune system doesn't react as strongly as an older person.
Correct. No vaccine actually kills a bug... it either triggers a buildup of antibodies by our immune system to attack an intruder or alters the environment within our bodies/cells/response to something the bug craves or blocks the bug from getting at something it needs. HCQ is thought to possibly make the environment of a cell inhospitable to the invader but it's not a cure... it's an unproven treatment with unproven success and possibly known severe side effects.
 
Here is the thing. Nobody, not even Trump has declared HCQ to be a silver bullet. The Trump line that stands out to me the most is it may work, it may not, we'll see.

Next, we know HCQ acts as an ionophore. We know zinc retards many viruses ability to replicate. We know HCQ does have side effects. We know drugs we take for many ailments have side effects including death in some instances.

We also know that a combination of HCQ and zinc has been administered to some that have claimed to have dramatic reduction in symptoms in a remarkably short period of time. We also know some patients have not reacted well to the cocktail.

Based on that, I simply see no reason why anyone would be aggressively trying to discredit the use of the combo. Sure, cite that there has been no clinical trials. Sure, point out that it may not work for all but at least acknowledge that a large number of patients that have received the treatment responded to some degree.

My guess would be that the combo isn't a silver bullet as much as it is a treatment that slows or stops the replication of the virus and allows the patients immune system to catch up. My guess is there are also other treatments coming on line that will work similarly and hopefully, people will just hope patients and doctors find and use what works for each individual patient and stop trying to score political points with a disease and potential treatments.
Without clinical testing we're all just guessing. But first, Trump did advocate folks take the drug; he told folks to get in touch with their doctor to obtain it. It was naive at best and criminal at worst to make such a statement. Ditto bleach injections. The reason you don't just "try stuff" is because you can kill someone easily. HCQ is not a drug a doc would likely EVER give to a heart patient or someone with an arrhythmia because that's a known side effect. If some "authority" endorses something you can bet som nimrod will try to dose themselves just as that couple in Phoenix gulped fish tank cleaner cause it said HCQ on the label. Follow the real science and certainly not a bunch of talking heads or politicians.
 
Without clinical testing we're all just guessing. But first, Trump did advocate folks take the drug; he told folks to get in touch with their doctor to obtain it. It was naive at best and criminal at worst to make such a statement. Ditto bleach injections. The reason you don't just "try stuff" is because you can kill someone easily. HCQ is not a drug a doc would likely EVER give to a heart patient or someone with an arrhythmia because that's a known side effect. If some "authority" endorses something you can bet som nimrod will try to dose themselves just as that couple in Phoenix gulped fish tank cleaner cause it said HCQ on the label. Follow the real science and certainly not a bunch of talking heads or politicians.
Dumb people do dumb stuff. Folks have a lot of nerve blaming Trump for idiots ingesting cleaning products based on his comments. I mean didn't we go through a phase of folks eating detergent pods for social media likes?

Likewise, not every CV19 patient has heart problems. As with any condition, a doctor must consider health history before prescribing anything including drugs approved for the specific condition in question. An FDA approval doesn’t excuse doctors from following protocol.
 
so it was a buncha hogwash....shockin..!
No dear, it's very effective. But we are not surprised at your response, it was your intention to get a chance to post this from the beginning. But hey, put your mask on, cower in place and make sure you watch Dr. Fauci every day until you starve to death because the food chain gets broken and we all start shooting each other oh wait, silly me, there are no consequences to this cowering in places and taking peoples rights away, it will all be rainbows and unicorns...a socialist utopia
 
Without clinical testing we're all just guessing. But first, Trump did advocate folks take the drug; he told folks to get in touch with their doctor to obtain it. It was naive at best and criminal at worst to make such a statement. Ditto bleach injections. The reason you don't just "try stuff" is because you can kill someone easily. HCQ is not a drug a doc would likely EVER give to a heart patient or someone with an arrhythmia because that's a known side effect. If some "authority" endorses something you can bet som nimrod will try to dose themselves just as that couple in Phoenix gulped fish tank cleaner cause it said HCQ on the label. Follow the real science and certainly not a bunch of talking heads or politicians.

You realize the wife of the moron who “took” the fish cleaner is under investigation for murder don’t you?

And as you said about HQC, he said get in touch with your doctor.

What’s your point?
 
You realize the wife of the moron who “took” the fish cleaner is under investigation for murder don’t you?

And as you said about HQC, he said get in touch with your doctor.

What’s your point?

But, but, but bleach. Lysol. Didn't do anything for 2 months. Made Fauci wince. Doesn't listen to the experts. Only has old white guys on the task force. Did I miss anything.
 
Without clinical testing we're all just guessing. But first, Trump did advocate folks take the drug; he told folks to get in touch with their doctor to obtain it. It was naive at best and criminal at worst to make such a statement. Ditto bleach injections. The reason you don't just "try stuff" is because you can kill someone easily. HCQ is not a drug a doc would likely EVER give to a heart patient or someone with an arrhythmia because that's a known side effect. If some "authority" endorses something you can bet som nimrod will try to dose themselves just as that couple in Phoenix gulped fish tank cleaner cause it said HCQ on the label. Follow the real science and certainly not a bunch of talking heads or politicians.

You do have a point that running a full scale clinical trial is the most desired method but it is not correct to say HCQ isn't tested. More is known about HCQ than Remdesivir but it has been approved for emergency use as well. We don't know all the safety concerns when administering HCQ to Covid patients and while that is a very important part of clinical testing, the same information can be collected during usage.

So yeah, we haven't completed a formal clinical trial but we do know the cocktail has shown positive results. Just because a clinical trial hasn't been performed doesn't mean we can't draw some preliminary conclusions when we basically jumped phase 1 and 2 of a clinical trial and started at phase 3.

As far as Trump's comments, I'd say ask your doctor is about as good of advise as you could give to see if you are a candidate for the treatment. Just because you are diagnosed with cancer doesn't mean you are automatically a candidate for chemo. The docs get paid to make those decisions.
 
Without clinical testing we're all just guessing. But first, Trump did advocate folks take the drug; he told folks to get in touch with their doctor to obtain it. It was naive at best and criminal at worst to make such a statement. Ditto bleach injections. The reason you don't just "try stuff" is because you can kill someone easily. HCQ is not a drug a doc would likely EVER give to a heart patient or someone with an arrhythmia because that's a known side effect. If some "authority" endorses something you can bet som nimrod will try to dose themselves just as that couple in Phoenix gulped fish tank cleaner cause it said HCQ on the label. Follow the real science and certainly not a bunch of talking heads or politicians.

You know you're my favorite leftist moonbat. But this is an examply of why your kind can only be considered one of two things, out and out dumb, or purely evil. Nothing you posted is true. Show me where Trump said take this drug

Trump: We bought a tremendous amount of … hydroxychloroquine, which I think is, you know, it’s a great malaria drug. It’s worked unbelievably, it’s a powerful drug on malaria. And there are signs that it works on [coronavirus], some very strong signs. And in the meantime, it’s been around a long time, and also works very powerfully on lupus. So there are some very strong, powerful signs, and we’ll have to see. Because again, it’s being tested now, this is a new thing that just happened to us, the invisible enemy, we call it.

… It’s a very strong, powerful medicine, but it doesn’t kill people. We have some very good results and some very good tests. You’ve seen the same test that I have. In France, they had a very good test. But we don’t have time to go and say, gee, let’s take a couple of years and test it out. And let’s go and test with the test tubes and the laboratories. We don’t have time. I’d love to do that.
 
God Bless Rolodawg to fight these idiots.
I love the IGNORE button. I fought them very well for decades. Literally, decades.
Im over em, at this point. I just laugh at them, now.
Laugh and IGNORE.
But Rolo is still out there doing the Lord's Work.
Seriously...God Bless Rolo
 
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Politics 101 says it doesn’t matter what works or how well it works. The ONLY thing that matters is who gets political points/credit for what does work and who gets blamed politically for anything that doesn’t work. No matter the problem. No matter the disease. Fix our addiction to politics as a team sport, and we cure most all of our enduring ills/woes/problems.

Or..... we can continue to entertain ourselves like the crazed children in “Lord of the Flies” by blaming one another for every pain & wrong we can imagine, while ignoring the gazillions in revenue it generates for those who create, produce and broadcast it all.

we (WE) can fix it. THEY never will. The choice is ours. It always has been. Too many of us choose to be controlled over taking control. Child like, ain’t it?
 
https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5eb489a1c5b62d0addac3355

New Study: No Evidence Hydroxychloroquine Benefits Coronavirus Patients

Researchers at Columbia University who tested 1,400 patients with the controversial malaria drug said it did not lower the risk of dying or needing a breathing tube.

Did you read the report. Once again, not a controlled test and they gave it to the sicker patients. I also saw no mention of zinc being given in addition to HCQ.
 
This will be a bestseller when ALL the facts (whole truth) come out about who knew what and when, and as interestingly who (individuals, companies, governments) was motivated most or benefited most from the collateral effects of “these circumstances” on global economies, politics and personal gain.
 
Fox news swore by it..so did Trump..whats the latest
Ask your Doctor a lot doctors used it with great success . Myself I used the 50mg Zinc and 4 oz .Tonic water worked great for me. I am 74 never slowed down only masked up when I had to
 
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