Yeah, but that just shows how much “care” for them.
It’s like an abusive spouse. The abused keeps telling others(and themselves) that they love me and do it for my own good.
Tariffs and inflation
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It’s like an abusive spouse. The abused keeps telling others(and themselves) that they love me and do it for my own good.
Glad to see you've been reading up on the Great Replacement nazi conspiracy theory/propaganda. However, reality was and is very different, and the last administration had a bipartisan border bill ready to go, but Trump tanked it so he could keep running on an issue he made worse.
Have you ever considered that maybe the bill was garbage? Not matter what side puts out a bill they always claim it’s perfect and does exactly what the name says it will do, but that’s rarely he truth.
That border bill was complete garbage. It would have done nothing to close the border or stop illegal immigration. All it really did was funnel the illegals through ports of entry so they could stop classifying them as illegal. If you let in the same people but change what we call them it doesn’t solve anything it just gives a talking point to those who want to allow more. And more of it is exactly what would have happened.
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Then why did Trump win?
The left pandered to every group possible and it splintered their base. When you ignore basic truths and act like you know better and keep telling people do not worry all the while saying one thing and doing the exact opposite. That was such a winning strategy?
The left catered to the elites of their party and enjoyed hearing themselves talk so much they could not hear what most people wanted and were concerned about.
Correct. 99% of the aliens are living in big cities collecting welfare while working under the table. The tariffs will bring AMERICAN companies back to the USA. The big thing with tariffs is, they hurt Canada and Mexico far worse than they hurt us because the trade imbalance is in favor of Canada and Mexico. We don’t give a shit if Canadians don’t buy our tomatoes, we import cars and car parts from them and we export peanuts to them. And Mexico has become the de facto China, just a pass-thru, as well.
Edit: and steel and concrete, too
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Please tell me more about the composition of the bill if you know so much about it and can so confidently say it was so bad. What all was in it that made it complete garbage? Cite your sources instead of just making a blanket claim that a bi-partisan bill sponsored by a Republican is garbage because Trump said so.
First, Trump couldn't stop anything. He was a candidate that voiced his opposition to a bill that would have RESTRICTED his ability to act should he become elected. As he is showing, the POTUS didn't need that bill which allowed a huge number of immigrants to enter each day before allowing the POTUS to shut down the border. It actually weakened existing law.
Next, you said nazi so you lose. As we have seen, a wide open border that allowed millions into the country with little to no screening is a disaster and has nothing to do with the third reich. After we saw local budgets being decimated all over the country by massive numbers of new arrivals that required services, falling back on nazi is a lame debating point.
It's okay to hate Trump and disagree with his policies. Heck, I'm not crazy about the tariffs on Mex and Canada myself but I do understand why Trump thinks they are necessary at this point. Imo, we could get the desired outcome without them but a shot over the bow is a legit negotiating tactic esp if you believe you've allowed the party with less leverage to game your agreements. Intelligent people can debate almost anything civilly. Those that are mentally challenged resort to dismissing legit policy disagreements by claiming their opponent is a nazi.
Not sure how this addresses my message. But yes, identity politics certainly hurt the left and was not an effective strategy.
But he also won because he lied about Project 2025 (very unpopular among swing voters that he is, in fact, carrying out) and because a large portion of the population does not understand basic economics and thought tariffs and mass deportations would lower grocery costs when they both combine to do the exact opposite. And that's another knock on the left that they didn't do a better job of educating people on why these policies would not work and proposing clear alternatives.
"You said a word that I disagree with so you lose." Glad to see you follow the Trump playbook.
Project 2025 is the same thing as calling Trump Hitler. A made up democratic lie.
You’re just a gullible puppet
You’re just a gullible puppet
No you said a word because you can't defend your position. You aren't capable of understanding why someone would oppose a bill that retarded a POTUS's ability to exercise a constitutional power (closing the border) so you compared his supporters to nazis. You couldn't even make it thru a 2 sentence post without injecting what you think is an insult into the debate. I called you out for going the nazi route and you can't respond by justifying your lame strategy. Your response is "the Trump playbook".
I said an idea was a nazi conspiracy theory and part of their propaganda. Which the great replacement theory was. Never called anyone a nazi. Not all facts are insults, my guy.
Trudeau....what an MO-ron.....telling Canadians not to travel. They ain't got no Florida.....where MANY Canadians have winter homes.
If I want cold weather and national parks, I'll bypass Canada and go straight to Alaska.
If I want cold weather and national parks, I'll bypass Canada and go straight to Alaska.
Canada and Mexico are among the largest providers of concrete, while Canada is one of the leading producers of steel in the American market
And . . . Canadians travel to Myrtle Beach in March, among other places, where they have Canadian money week. They treat the Canadian money like US money even though it’s two-thirds value.
And . . . Canadians travel to Myrtle Beach in March, among other places, where they have Canadian money week. They treat the Canadian money like US money even though it’s two-thirds value.
If you let it play out and America will be much better off , This just the beginning of negotiations Trump is playing a long game, Once we start using our energy resouces and get rid of a lot costly reulations. Get corporations investing and manufacting in America because , to create good private sector jobs and less government jobs, less waste in Government. reduce income for money in your prockets to buy stuff. Economies are driven by supply and demand with people making money and spending money, Trump understands this hang in there don't get hung on the short term, The American taxpayer will be much better off under Trump type policies than they ever will under the Democrats who want to create more people dependant on the Goverenment and more costly regulations
This has been hashed and rehashed here. It kicked in a detainment clause once a certain amount of illegals crossed the border. It also had pork in the bill for the Ukraine. The only reason why the Dems even came to the table. It put a small band aid on the border issue, when if you listened to voters at the time they didn’t want a band aid. Guess what. It played out at the polls.
Last but not least, politics. This would have been another time pubs bent over for democrats. It would give them a win. For a small band aid, the greater good was at stake. Get the people who caused the border issues out in the first place. Biden could have fixed it at any time with executive orders or enforcement of our current laws. Which he did, and even started rebuilding the wall. He had no choice. Too little too late. And it proved everyone right. Left him with egg on his face.
You are complaining about tariffs. What are a good portion of these being threatened for. To stop the flow of illegal alien criminals into our country. You have seen the numbers the border control stated I assume. How many drug dealers. How many murderers? How many pedo’s are being allowed in. It is playing itself out. One right here in Athens killed a girl where my daughters have run for years. He said he would stop the flow. Well, call it whatever you want. He is stopping the illegal crossings as much as can be done.
This is again your issue. The economy was awful for the base you could not care less about. I heard it daily. Posted about it here. Regular people were getting clobbered. Yet all the numbers the Dems pointed to, said you guys aren’t really hurting. I guess they were boomer. Because they voted with their hurt.
He has never once said tariffs aren’t inflationary. He said this may hurt. But we are being taken advantage of, and it is necessary to threaten for a better deal. And to help with the border crisis. Biden kept trumps tariffs. Why did he do this boomer.
Keep lying to yourself. The economy was great for the elitist. It changed the democrats and pub base. Keep this belief please. Learn nothing. I beg you.
Every jobs report and positive economic report was debunked and corrected later. Especially the last one. Which was one of the worst in the history of our country. You guys can’t even figure out why you lost. Or refuse to admit the truth.
What an arrogant statement. You just proved everything I said below to be correct.
Tariffs alone will cause increases in prices. Where we should be concerned is if that is the only measure to be employed or what the reasoning behind imposing the tariffs. Those are far more important to consider.
The most important thing Trump can do to help inflation and help the vast majority of Americans meet their monthly expenditures is to help reduce energy costs. The increase in these costs over the last 4 plus years is a major cause of the increased monthly prices to all of us. These costs are baked in and affect almost every layer of all the goods and services we use. If Trump takes measures to lower energy costs we will see a downward move in overall prices regardless of the tariffs. If he does not then we should be concerned.
Deportations are a wash. It costs the government a tremendous amount of money to take care of the them. This is what pisses me off with most of these messages. People tend to look at issues in a very narrow view. They are tremendously more complex and far reaching but the other parts get ignored to back a point, push an agenda or disparage a party or candidate. We are not politicians, we do not need to take this approach but yet most everyone does and jumps to conclusions.
Tariffs alone will cause increases in prices. Where we should be concerned is if that is the only measure to be employed or what the reasoning behind imposing the tariffs. Those are far more important to consider.
The most important thing Trump can do to help inflation and help the vast majority of Americans meet their monthly expenditures is to help reduce energy costs. The increase in these costs over the last 4 plus years is a major cause of the increased monthly prices to all of us. These costs are baked in and affect almost every layer of all the goods and services we use. If Trump takes measures to lower energy costs we will see a downward move in overall prices regardless of the tariffs. If he does not then we should be concerned.
Well, there you go again. There are a set of facts being debated. Instead of supporting why YOU think the open boarder policies of the Biden admin and the bipartisan bill would have been the best path forward, you resort to NAZI replacement theory propaganda. So, I'm left to assume you are willing to give both parties a pass for the last half century of refusing to enforce existing immigration law and or refusing to remedy the things they thought were unfair by passing bills on points 90% or more Americans would agree with.
My view is there is simply no excuse for the U.S. to be admitting residents that aren't going thru a process that screens them and monitors them as they assimilate to some degree. There is simply no excuse for illegal entrants to be consuming a large amount of local government services and putting a stress on the things their citizens voted for in order to service the native and naturalized population. I'll never understand how a local LE agency will release a person here illegally that is being charged with child rape and refuse to turn them over to fed immigration officials.
Installing an orderly immigration policy that offers opportunities to aspiring immigrants, enhances the U.S. work force and doesn't place current residents at risk of violent attacks by central American gang members isn't rocket surgery. If you would like to debate possible solutions, I'll be more than willing to consider your thoughts. If you want to dismiss the 50 yr immigration clusterboink and say my side is better because Hitler, you aren't going to be taken seriously.
Elections bring consequences. Trump's tariff obsession is universally considered "foolishness" by most economists as certain to result in increased inflation here at home. A hard lesson is in store for MAGA voters who bought the Trump siren song.
All of your points are redundant and useless. You clowns lost the argument, you lost the election, you lost all 3 houses and you lost 7 swing states.
Get some new material. Your arguments are ridiculous.
Man, I'm glad you guys are no longer in charge of negotiating for America. It's almost like you have no understanding of leverage at all and the idea that Mexico and Canada have way more on the line than the U.S.. You guys remind me of a purchasing manager I supervised yrs ago that thought he was doing a great job because our inventory was stocked and the suppliers loved him.
Covid should have taught us a lesson
Economists aren’t liberal. Some Keynsians are but with tariffs we’re talking about classic free trade which for a long time was a cornerstone of the Republican Party. Adam Smirh was like a Republican Jesus Christ.
Now anyone who is educated and studied something is the liberal elite. There is a complete lack of respect for education and expertise.
Didn’t know John Murphy. But as suspected little background check reveals his experience appears to be entirely govt type experience.
Curious because I really can’t find a clear answer. Did we actually have free trade with these countries to begin with ?
I know. Economists estimate it will cut back 1200 a month in pay for the average American family. This on the surface is ugly. But if it brings these people back to the table, well that will help long term. Also, there is no tarrifs for any good produced here instead of other countries.
The question will be how much of this increase can he relieve with tax cuts and deregulation. Energy costs etc. if he can do this, we will last a lot longer dealing with this than Mexico or Canada will. They have to know this.
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Trump didn’t have a vote. But the title was only slightly less misleading than the inflation reduction act. It wasn’t a good bill. He’s closing the border in a manner he and his voters consider better for our country.
Trade was very open with Canada and Mexico. That was what NAFTA was about and it brought a boom in the 90s when implemented. China is more complicated but open trade has generally been the trend.
The great loss was TPP but that ship has sailed. It would have strengthened our trade ties with other Asian countries and helped us in a stronger position with China. It was negotiated by multiple Presidents and Republicans in Congress were heavily in favor until Trump started talking about it the first time and he blew up a deal negotiated over more than 20 years. Bernie Sanders is also to blame for that. They both cater to idiots. Diversified supply chains sure would have been nice during Covid.
The tariffs on Mexico are going to affect food prices btw and tariffs on Canada will drive wood prices up which will affect housing prices. Those are two of the biggest concerns with inflation but there are many other things that will be affected.
The Dems must not know the difference between legal and illegal immigration. They ask to increase legal immigration and they opened the gates at the southern border for everyone to enter.
He was not running the country Odumbo and his cronies were.
Education is not the same as it used to be. That is a fact. Most subjects have an agenda attached to them and a social aspect.
When you can't use logic to debate the issues and articulate your own points, just call people clowns and say the arguments are ridiculous and redundant without addressing them.
You, my friend, are the one who needs new material and a new tactic than just rehashing the MAGA playbook.
If you want to actually discuss the bi-partisan border bill and Trump's role in undermining our national security for his own ego or debate how the great replacement theory is part of the fascist playbook, lmk.
It’s because the practicalities of immigration are ignored. Realistically immigration reform with easier paths for those looking to work and don’t cause trouble would fix the issue. Programs for season agricultural workers would help. If you had realistic laws you could then enforce them more realistically.
However we were never going to make it difficult for otherwise law abiding brown people to live and work here legally and then round them up. If you were realistic about that then you could focus on enforcement with the problems.
Yes, your purchase management experience is exactly the same as initiating a costly and unnecessary trade war on allies while reneging on an international trade agreement you previously negotiated.
You may not realize the extent of what we import and how closely our economies are intertwined with Canada, Mexico, and China, but we have a whole lot on the line too. We are a powerful nation and economy but become significantly weaker when we isolate ourselves from the global economy and reliable trade partners.
It also undermines American manufacturers' abilities to export products, and we (the US as an isolationist country) don't have enough demand to sustain them. So if prices don't skyrocket to offset the drop in demand, then those American manufacturers will go out of business. A big L for the working class that Trump claims to be for.
You'll figure it out eventually when prices skyrocket and markets tank. Just like the US soybean market tanked last time Trump tried to get cute with tariffs.
