You would think the tariffs would drive up food prices, and you might be right. But what NAFTA really did was allow Mexico and Canada to grab our concrete business and Canada to grab our steel business too. Much like they grabbed the timber and woolen suit industries. We’ve been bleeding businesses since the mid nineties
Tariffs and inflation
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I think the government has a law for immigrants to work here seasonal. They have a green card. They have had this for agriculture workers for years. The Dems act like we have no immigration laws which is a joke.
Goldman Sachs today stated they expected the tariff situation will be short lived. Personally, i think it is a way to deflect attention from the three cabinet positions up for a vote next week.
Why? They are not trying to hide anything like Biden did.Goldman Sachs today stated they expected the tariff situation will be short lived. Personally, i think it is a way to deflect attention from the three cabinet positions up for a vote next week.
Of course it will be short lived. It is a bargaining/leverage tool. It is best for everyone it is short lived.Goldman Sachs today stated they expected the tariff situation will be short lived. Personally, i think it is a way to deflect attention from the three cabinet positions up for a vote next week.
We are no longer in control or have the ability to negotiate from a position of strength with many countries. We once had the ability to do so and we slowly eroded our position of strength to negotiate and garner more favorable deals.
Dims had slaves and started a civil war in the 1860.s now they gotta have their illegals. Shame on you and your party. Nice usage of cnn by the way. We all know they are a top notch source, if you are an uninformed dim that is.
Lets see, you want to talk about trumps lies, and say they are too many to count.... You know WAPO never stopped counting what they thought were lies by trump.... but they sure did STOP counting bidens because they had no one that could count that high. SMH you dims have no idea what you are talking about and how foolish you statements are.
Funny thing sir, Trump is not a supreme leader, he was not my choice either time to be the pub nominee. Problem is, YOUR SIDE is SO BAD, we are much better off with trump.... Your side was in office and LOST TO TRUMP because your side is completely incapable of a cogent thought, and is totally anit America. At this point after you leftist have stormed back out of hiding after the embarrassing election lose, it has become evident we should deport all dims as they are totally against our country and would rather be Canada or England of Mexico, or any other pitiful country you can name.
Talk about lazy dissent..... Using known liars like cnn etc as a source for your argument. Deflecting is all dims do. Hense the senile biden support. You are no other dim has used a fact to prove any of your "points" All you all do is cry, whine, and repeat dim propaganda and talking points. SMH You are all an embarrassment to yourselves and don't even realize because you are sheep.
Dems were awful. Then came Richard Nixon’s “southern strategy”. Things were reversing around that time. Or actually earlier. In the 1950s there were regional factions in each party that weren’t really aligned with each other and were frequently fiercely opposed. Hubert Humphrey and Richard Russell were in the same party. Richard Nixon and Nelson Rockefeller were in the same party. It was much more complicated and there was a reversal.
I do not believe you. If, after brandons 4 yrs you would still vote anything but pub,,,, well nothing else would need to be said about your choices. Next, the way you worded it indicates you voted for trump against biden but then voted for kamala against trump.... a life long republican my backside. You are not the first to try this crap to make you seem like a "thinker" LOL,,,,, dogfood LONG claimed to be a Reagan man, yet he voted for obama and biden LOL.... I kept telling people you can't believe someone is conservative if all they do is vote and talk lib lib lib. One is a lib/dim/socialist if that is the way they vote.
You can try another story but you have already revealed your leanings.
BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA You are hilarious, just in a bad way.
You were never a republican if you could vote for biden/kamala/walz and what they did to the country. Also, these little things called baby murder, child mutilation, sexualization of children, pushing homosexuality as normal and teaching it in schools,, etc etc etc. Trump is much closer to normal than all that depraved anti Christian bull skate the dims push. Don't try that here... You and brown and dogfood all need to get together. LOL
Dims ARE AWFUL
Look, I don't love any politician. They all are awful... to me its just that one side is much worse than the other. I vote for the lesser of the evils. The dimocrat party with its baby murder, pro child mutilation, normalization of homosexuality etc is EVIL.
Hey goofball, we won. Bigly.
I brought up the replacement theory months ago and was called a racist by certain Chat Libs.
We have discussed all this years and months ago, and here you come. We are all in 2025 , you are stuck in 2022. There is nothing to discuss.
Not sure about cabinet deflection. Could be. But I am pretty sure these will be short lived. One thing trump has proven to be good at is negotiating.Goldman Sachs today stated they expected the tariff situation will be short lived. Personally, i think it is a way to deflect attention from the three cabinet positions up for a vote next week.
Again....you keep lumping legal and illegal immigration into the same bucket.
Thats not what happened here and you know it.
Crap on CNN all you want. It doesn't change what the chamber said. The quotes are the same regardless of the outlet.
This better for you? Don't get mad that I rebutted your position immediately.
The left has lost the working class because they tried to destroy the middle class by redistributing the wealth from them to the poor. But by sòme miracle the wealthy got the money. Look back and you’ll see under Biden the rich got richer and the poor got poorer it’s a fact.
It’s funny how close minded and brainwashed you are that you can’t possibly comprehend a conservative voting against Trump (a guy who very plainly - one thing he’s pretty consistently honest about - goes against traditionally conservative ideas and approaches to policy such as tariffs lol). And yes, the way I worded it was totally accurate in how I voted.
You’ve attacked me and another poster (@LRA Dawg ) who has said something similar, but what do we gain from lying about this? There are tens of thousands of conservatives who switched their vote this go around. Just as there are working class democrats who switched sides as well. Do you honestly believe people aren’t capable of this? It’s total lunacy to think this way.
Buddy if you think the rich got richer last time, look who showed up and got priority seating to Trump’s inauguration for who the rich elites really align themselves with.
Also read up on the proposed tax cuts and the income levels that are going to pay more in taxes - hint it’s the middle and lower class and the richest of the rich are getting the cuts. Congrats for falling for Trump’s lies about being for the working class though.
Please don’t bring up Christian values when you are actively defending Donald Trump. You can have your economic, immigration, etc. reasons for supporting him, but you might want to stay away from associating that blasphemous, prideful, hate-filled, foul-mouthed adulterer with Christian values.
Straight republican ticket except for President last 2 elections. Voted Libertarian out of protest. Not everyone who is conservative drinks the Trump kooloaid.
More of the richest people voted Democrat and supported Biden. I am paying more in taxes than I did 5 years ago and I have 5 kids and not in the higher tax brackets.
I do not want the government getting their hands on anymore money until spending is curbed and there is more accountability.
Thanks for illustrating you don't understand leveraging your position to negotiate a better deal for your interest/clients. Yes, a trade war with Canada and Mexico could cause the U.S. some short term pain but the simple fact is neither the Mexican or Canadian economies can survive a trade war with the U.S.. Because of the fact that each side wants a deal, a deal will be reached sooner rather than later.
As far as China, the first thing we need to do is to start lessening our reliance on Chinese manufacturers for economic and national security purposes. They aren't our friends, they don't reciprocate free/fair trade and they are expansionalistic communist. We should certainly stay engaged but we should have never allowed ourselves to become dependent on China for our necessities.
bud you are the brainwashed between us. You believe all the things the media and dims say about trump. While trump is not someone I aspire to be, or want my kids and grandkids to be, he is still more honest and better for America than odumbo, brandon, and camela. SMH. Further, I don't go for all the woke stuff you dims support. You supported it by voting for them. Gender affirming mutilation of children, baby murder, the normalization perversion, putting in elementary schools. You can look up the stuff about wapo stopping its count on bidens lies. You can support iran and the destruction of our economy through things like the ev mandates, and other green new deal initiatives. The beat goes on. YOUR side is WORSE than anything trump does. But hey, you can stand on a pedestal and stick your nose in the air and claim to be righteous because you oppose trump. You are just proving you are out of touch with reality and are closed minded and brainwashed by a lying media.
You just proved you KNOW NOTHING about who you voted for. You voted for the murder of innocent babies, promoting homosexual perversion on children, mutilating children etc etc etc. If you think I think trump is a good Christian, it's just another thing you are TOTALLY WRONG ABOUT. Neither he nor biden or kamala are on the good Christian list. However, the dim party is all in behind a number of polices that are absolutely anti Christian anti God immoral and called sin in the Bible. So you should be careful throwing stones at trump... and worry about yourself. Long story short don't throw stones at someone for their failures when you are a part of the dim party.
I'm convinced,,,, if bruce Mck whatever thinks trump is wrong he must be ..... LOL
Who gives a shit how you and your buddies voted. We won and Trump is President so live with it buddy.
I don't drink tump Kool-Aid... if you weren't a johnny come lately, you would know I did not vote for trump in the primary for 2016, wanted Desantis is 2024 but I am not going to waste my vote voting 3rd party which could help put the dims in power. If you think trump is worse than what the dims have put out there, there is no help for you. You must not have children or grandchildren if you want dims shaping the world they live in. I don't respect your vote; it was just as ill-advised as voting for biden or kamala.
I am willing to give what he is doing a chance because the first time around his policies were solid. Tariffs didn't destroy us that time. I don't believe anything the dims say nor the msm. If he is wrong, I will say he was wrong. Non of you are experts, all you are is a bunch of crying whining, tds suffering dim wannabe's . Let it play out. Don't think we will be worse than we were under brandon.
The fact that he has no clue that this is the case is mind blowing. That post about taxes is hilarious. I guarantee you I will pay less in taxes than I did. Because the last time he was in office that happened. And I am not rich. The whole guarantee that Biden made about taxes pre election turned out to be complete and utter bs. Just like everyone said it would be.
I know we have some people who claim to be pubs but just hate Trump. My issue is they all still manage to get behind way too many Dem policies. Have no issue with the Trump hate. But it comes across as way more than that.
The new head of the Dems has said we can’t be far left anymore and win elections. Things have to change. The fanatics literally ran the Dem party the last four years. Any conservative who can support the majority of what the Dem policies were should just turn in their card. Switch. You may claim to be pubs but you aren’t. Right now there are more pubs registered than democrats. For the first time in a real long time. And the left has the money at this point. Just ask Kamala how she burned thru twice as much money as Trump did in her campaign.
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Be interesting to see if all of this has any effect on the amount of fentanyl coming across the border. If we can't control demand here I really doubt anything can stop the inflow of the drug. I know in this state if you have a delivery charge and fentanyl is involved the enhancement increases the penalty for a 20 year charge to 40years to life; yet most of the dealers always have fentanyl when we catch them.
The political fallout will be interesting to watch as it appears about 60% of Americans are opposed to the tariffs. In Canada there is more opposition than down here and golden boys approval is down to 22%, but he probably doesn't care since he will only be there a couple of more months.
Sheinbaum is currently sitting on a 70% plus approval, but if Mexico's economy takes a hit that could change in a hurry. I would think here biggest fear would be losing her current support she has from the cartels.
The political fallout will be interesting to watch as it appears about 60% of Americans are opposed to the tariffs. In Canada there is more opposition than down here and golden boys approval is down to 22%, but he probably doesn't care since he will only be there a couple of more months.
Sheinbaum is currently sitting on a 70% plus approval, but if Mexico's economy takes a hit that could change in a hurry. I would think here biggest fear would be losing her current support she has from the cartels.
A little unsolicited advice. Attempting a reasonable or logical exchange with Cherry is entirely off the table.
Trump negotiated and signed the last trade agreement with Canada and Mexico. So, for you and others who claim this is entirely a short-term negotiating ploy, what exactly do we want from them, and why not even attempt to negotiate prior to implementing sweeping, harmful tariffs? And please don't tell me this is about fentanyl. It isn't.
I work with a number of auto and general manufacturing clients. This better be short-lived, because the US OEMs will lose viability very quickly. I'm talking shuttered factories and bankruptcy kind of loss of viability, not a few quarters of reduced profits.
And for the rest of us, just about everything becomes significantly more expensive tomorrow. Even stalwart MAGA senator Ron Johnson is expressing concerns, which means behind closed doors the GOP on the Hill are freaking out.
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From the perspective of typical political thinking, this is spot on. Bottom line is that what makes Trump effective is his willingness to endure bad press, being villainized domestically and abroad, etc, etc. However, at the end of the day, what should make anyone feel okay about the endgame here is just playing it out in terms of the question "what serves Trump best?"
It does Americans and Trump's legacy no good whatsoever to enact policy that makes him unpopular ultimately with Americans. Even if you believe tariffs are bad policy....ultimately in any scenario where that turned out to clearly be the case, he will of course back off. He would of course do it in a way that makes him look like the winner....but in any scenario, he is not going to willfully create a permanent inflationary situation. The power of the pen in this case works both ways.
Conversely, I think the exercise in "self interests" regarding economic policy of Biden / Obama? Be globally poplular. Be popular with progressives. Win the political headlines every singled day? Make federal government bigger...... It all runs counter to what is best for private sector Americans.....and even in the cases where they truly do have the private sector in mind....their ideas are all rooted in academia / government, and their experience all being in academia / government.....execution / governance is terrible.
Bottom line - bet on Trump's ego, and it leads to a good place, notwithstanding the headlines of the day. He will use these tariffs as a means to get something he wants, and then he will back off and claim victory.
Of course it's concerning but it's exponentially more concerning for Canada and Mexico. Yeah, it's bare knuckles negotiating and about 25% of my business is shipping into Canada so I get the puckered sphincters but it's also in nobody's best interest for this to go on long term so there will be an agreement sooner rather than later.
Yep. The freak-out here is predictable, but so is the ultimate result. Will tariffs or the threat of tariffs in and of itself bring unbelievable ground-breaking results? Probably not.....the point is that it will bring some kind of positive result, that will be celebrated, and then we will back off the tariffs.Goldman Sachs today stated they expected the tariff situation will be short lived. Personally, i think it is a way to deflect attention from the three cabinet positions up for a vote next week.
Ultimately what will bring great economic results for Trump is the simple policy of removing regulation from private business, thus creating both economic growth and increasing the supply of goods and services, the latter of which is dis-inflationary. Finding some savings in government spending, along with higher revenues in the form of taxes on the higher incomes....should also help with the financial outlook of the US government, which in theory should bring down treasury yields / interest rates.
Yep - Always bet on folks' self interests. In the case of Trump, his ego is our friend when it comes to the US economy.
Just like that, tariffs with Mexico put on pause for a month. Mexico putting 10,000 soldiers on border. Negotiations will continue.
I get that. I just have no idea of what a win looks like.
Trump has said he wants balanced trade between us and CA/MX, which seems impossible given relative populations and the massive difference in our economy versus theirs.
