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Perspective from a recently fired probationary federal employee...

The firing of a probationary period federal employee is going to be the difference
in your analysis.

A wrong or false reason likely is not even an issue.

Significant difference to status between probationary and permanent classification. Dead Sea v Atlantic Ocean gaps.
That’s an interesting point, and as I’ve said, I have no experience with federal labor laws.

According to ChatGPT, OP’s prior tenure should not be erased by a probationary period associated with a promotion, but I’d consult with a labor lawyer to be sure.

AI Alert:

In general, if a long-term federal employee receives a promotion that requires a probationary period, their status depends on the circumstances of their employment.

1. Retention of Career Tenure:
• If the employee was already a career (tenured) employee before the promotion, they retain their career status even while serving a probationary period in the new position.
• This means that if they are removed from the new position during probation, they typically have the right to return to their previous position or a similar one rather than being fully laid off.
2. Reduction in Force (RIF) Protections:
• During a Reduction in Force (RIF) (e.g., layoffs due to budget cuts), career employees retain their competitive status and seniority from their prior position.
• If the employee is in probation for the new role, their status in a RIF scenario will still be based on their total federal service time and previous tenure.
• However, if their previous job was abolished, they may have fewer placement rights, depending on agency policies.
3. Adverse Action Protections:
• Probationary employees in a new role do not have the same appeal rights as a fully tenured employee if removed for performance reasons specific to the new role.
• However, if the removal is unrelated to their performance (e.g., misconduct, RIF), they may still have appeal rights through the Merit Systems Protection Board (MSPB) or union protections.

Key Takeaways:

• A long-term federal employee keeps their career tenure even while on probation for a new promotion.
• If removed during probation, they often have return rights to their prior grade/position.
• In a RIF scenario, their status depends on total federal service time, competitive status, and prior role protections.
• If they voluntarily switched job series, their return rights may be limited.

Would you like specifics on a particular federal agency or situation?

Perspective from a recently fired probationary federal employee...

The fix is never easy. If it was, we never would've gotten in trouble in the first place.
I went through a few of these with the Fed ,and the public could have cared less one way or the other primarily due to their distaste of federal workers in general. In other words, no political backlash at all. The big difference this time is 70% of the public support this action and that number is growing daily due to the waste and fraud being exposed. I still think a lot of people affected by this will get some other options, but these are different times in the United States.

Thanks for the St Simons Recs...and a Baseball Roundup...

So a couple of months back I asked for some recs for St Simons and you guys didn't disappoint. Let's start with the eating...

First night...Crabdaddy's...we were on it like 2 fat kids on a candy bar. And the bread pudding was amazing...
The next morning we went to Palmers for breakfast...and it was fantastic as well. My wife had a Coastal Omelet that was out of this world.
Later that day we went to Certified Burger...we had to split one because we were still so full...
Then we finished it off with Dulce Dough Donuts and Wake Up Coffee and those are probably the best donuts I've ever had. Holy cow...

On the baseball part...Fellowship went 3-0 with wins over Creekview/Washington Co/Glynn Academy...
My freshman pitched 3 innings against Creekview giving up 1 earned with 3 K's in his first ever Varsity appearance. The first night was super cold but thankfully it warmed up for the 2 games the next day.
We did forget the bug spray...big mistake but the concession stand literally sold incense. LOL

Awesome trip. Hadn't been there in many years...will have to go back just for the food...

Perspective from a recently fired probationary federal employee...

Now run the numbers of how much each of those companies spent in severance and benefits for those layoffs. They DID NOT fire all those people for cause to save money, and if they had they would have been sued and lost.
Except for Sears, they all made billions afterward. If it was not worth it, they wouldn’t do it. Being a drone in Personnel, you should know that.


AND you should have known that a person should always take the first buyout offer, and for the rest, their close out costs will be subtracted from the same funds they would have received if they took the buyout.

SNL

I have never seen him playing the part of one of you libs that doesn't know the difference between a man and a woman or trying to teach elementary children that homosex is normal and trying to get them to cut off their private parts. Funny how you always defend the far left. The number of maga raciest is far less than leftist raciest. Everything a leftist believes in the world is based on race and sexual preference. You should be proud.
Usual suspects in here it seems...

For a show nobody watches, y'all sure know alot about the show...

It's sketch comedy. They were making fun of black people too. Stop being so soft.
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Perspective from a recently fired probationary federal employee...

I’ve personally RIFed hundreds of people in ten or so different states (and the UK) and I’ve been deposed as a witness in a wrongful termination lawsuit. How about you?

I will admit I’ve never worked for the federal government, but I suspect that their protections are at least as good if not better than those afforded the private sector. Of course, in the private sector, employee protections vary significantly from state to state.

Falsely firing someone for cause is all about denial of benefits. That’s why Elon and crew are executing the cuts this way, because there is no budget earmarked to pay for them. I’m confident that a fifteen year federal employee is guaranteed certain financial and benefit considerations upon termination that are voided when terminated for cause. If the OP has a history of good to exceptional performance reviews with not a single issue identified in their history, they deserve exactly what has been promised upon their termination and the courts can generally be counted on to agree with me.

I have fired people for cause, and the process is very specific. You have to communicate and document the issues, put the employee on a PIP (performance improvement plan) and then only after what is at least typically thirty days (depending on the state) you have to document and communicate again how the employee has failed to improve their performance. Fail to follow that process, particularly with an individual who is in a protected class (age, race, gender, sexual orientation) and you open yourself up to a lawsuit.

Of course, a PIP is not required in cases involving violence, theft of other illegal activity.

Tens of thousands of people are being falsely fired for cause with zero documentation to support that determination because Elon and team are lying. The courts are likely to find in favor of the plaintiffs in those cases.
I went through several of these during my 40 years and was forced to move during one under Nixon. I got the same exact letter that he did 52 years ago; I guess some things never change. When you go to work for the Fed you can be terminated for any reason during your probationary period which varies by the agency you work for. If you are past your probationary period then you can appeal your termination to The Merit Systems Protection Board .
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