KidneyStoned said:

Even if it’s all true, I don’t understand the outrage. This type of tactic is at the core of DJT’s domestic and foreign policies. I give him credit for not trying to hide it, I guess.

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zingerdawg said:

Sorry my man. This has already been hashed and rehashed. @Moosefish broke this down with a post that left no doubt for anyone. I know it would take him time, but I am sure he will provide it again if you don’t believe it.

The sooner people admit Biden absolutely did this the better. Move on from him. He had his son and other family members hold positions for influence. He knew this was happening. That isn’t even arguable at this point. At worst he got rich himself. He pardoned everyone. Which is an admission of guilt according to the Supreme Court.

Biden bragged about doing it. On camera. There are conflicting opinions out there. About shokin. He was investigating burisma. This had nothing to do with his own corruption but theirs. That is a fact as well. His firing stopped the investigation into burisma. Also a fact. At that time hunter was on the Board. It has been proven that Biden met with and spoke with burisma personnel so we know he knew that hunter was on the Board at burisma. With no skill whatsoever he made his way onto a Ukrainian company board. If you want it honestly believe Biden knew nothing about any of this but still pardoned them, that is on you my friend. But the evidence is massively against Biden. Which is why he went for blanket pardons for ten freaking years. Unprecedented move in our country’s history.

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KidneyStoned said:

False: The claim that Biden threatened to withhold a $1 billion USAID loan guarantee to Ukraine unless they fired the prosecutor investigating his son's company is not supported by credible sources. According to fact checks like those by USA Today and PolitiFact, Biden's actions were part of a broader international effort to encourage Ukraine to address corruption, which included the removal of the prosecutor, Viktor Shokin, who was seen as ineffective in fighting corruption. There's no evidence that this was done to protect his son, Hunter Biden.

- False: The statement about Victoria Nuland funding the Ukrainian coup with USAID money is misleading. While Victoria Nuland, as Assistant Secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affairs, did support pro-democracy movements in Ukraine, the characterization of this support as funding a "coup" is not accurate. The events in Ukraine in 2014 are more commonly described as a revolution or a series of protests leading to the ousting of President Viktor Yanukovych, influenced by various factors including corruption, economic issues, and pro-Russian policies, not solely by U.S. intervention.

- False: USAID being at the heart of the war between Ukraine and Russia is an overstatement. USAID has indeed been involved in providing aid and support for governance, economic reform, and humanitarian assistance in Ukraine, but the conflict between Ukraine and Russia is rooted in complex geopolitical issues, including territorial disputes, national identity, and Russian foreign policy, rather than being centered around USAID's activities.

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