Don’t think you understand what capitalism is. A University (govt institution) forced an apology from an employee due to hurt feelings. That is certainly forcing one into group think.
Does anybody get the feeling college football as we know it
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How do you know he didn’t just talk to Chuba and change his mind? No one waterboarded Gundy. I don’t think you understand “capitalism” or “force”. Gundy could have told OSU to piss off if he wanted
Could you imagine Erk wearing anything other than a school-logo'd shirt?
Seriously. Who the hell wears a news (or "news") network t-shirt? Maybe the camera guy or one of the tech people in the studio? Like, actual employees. Anyone outside of that is just trying to get a reaction.
The simple fact that kids can now more easily transfer and that you have to continually "recruit" them even after they enroll, as compared to kids feeling stuck for their career, is a factor in what's creating all of this. The coaches and schools used to have the bulk of power and could get away with most anything. Irrespective of how you feel about the transfer options, those days are gone.
Voting for with your feet is/was a wonderful concept, but it only works when the power is concentrated at the local and state level as the framers intended.
The guy who make 5 million bucks a year has to think about what his unpaid labor wants and feels 
The guy who make 5 million bucks a year has to think about what his unpaid labor wants and feels
I hope you can see the irony in this statement. Please say you can.
I typically don't get into these discussions because they just escalate into two sides of people with no desire to listen to what the other side has to say. That said, to your point...yes he should in theory have the right to wear whatever he wants.
But...my former boss had a framed saying he kept on his wall that said "REALITY is the murder of a beautiful theory by a gang of ugly facts."
So...in this case, the gang of ugly facts is that as a head coach of a football team (or for that matter a high visibility player like a QB) you have a greater level of responsibility and conscientiousness to be careful of what you do, say, and even represent (by wearing something). I don't know anything about OAN...had never heard of it before all this blew up. Are they the devilish root of all evil organization they are made out to be? Who knows...maybe, maybe not.
That said, he has to know who they are and what they stand for before he wears their t-shirt or speaks on behalf of them (which I guess he had done previously). It was a minor thing that was made much bigger by him just not really thinking about the repercussions of this prior to wearing the t-shirt. What does that really say about his decision making ability as a coach, recruiter, leader? His on-field results are pretty good...not great, but this is one he is going to have to fight off for a while now.
I have some level of sympathy for some of the people who get blasted by the media outlets that lean to the left, but in this case he probably deserves what he is getting.
But...my former boss had a framed saying he kept on his wall that said "REALITY is the murder of a beautiful theory by a gang of ugly facts."
So...in this case, the gang of ugly facts is that as a head coach of a football team (or for that matter a high visibility player like a QB) you have a greater level of responsibility and conscientiousness to be careful of what you do, say, and even represent (by wearing something). I don't know anything about OAN...had never heard of it before all this blew up. Are they the devilish root of all evil organization they are made out to be? Who knows...maybe, maybe not.
That said, he has to know who they are and what they stand for before he wears their t-shirt or speaks on behalf of them (which I guess he had done previously). It was a minor thing that was made much bigger by him just not really thinking about the repercussions of this prior to wearing the t-shirt. What does that really say about his decision making ability as a coach, recruiter, leader? His on-field results are pretty good...not great, but this is one he is going to have to fight off for a while now.
I have some level of sympathy for some of the people who get blasted by the media outlets that lean to the left, but in this case he probably deserves what he is getting.
As long as players see Universities going after the almighty dollar (TV contracts, conference realignment, conference tv networks, etc) they are going to want a bigger piece of the pie. I can't really blame them for that. This is not a new shift...it has been happening for several years and the players are starting to realize they have more of a say in how it all operates.
excellent points....think about Tua - is he the same level of phenomenon at some non major program? Surely not and with the image/likeness changes coming - being at a Georgia/bama/Southern Cal/Texas will be more important than ever.
Ok, just to make sure we are on the same page about where I stand, what I find "funny" is not the reaction of the players or those criticizing Gundy. I find "funny" the perspective of OP and those folks who feel CFB is being ruined by outspoken players. My point was that Gundy is free to wear what he wants, but all choices have consequences, and one consequence may be that folks do not want to play or work with Gundy if he chooses to express a fondness for OAN.
A lot of good points in this entire thread, and I wish ESPN would get less political, but I've only seen them ramp it up recently. Everyone (politically) loves the pageantry, tradition, & competition of college football. Media is looking for anything to stoke the fires, and I'd wish they'd stay the hell out.
Re: NFL, I've seen the viewpoint of "you're wrong to be offended by kneeling of the flag" and that's going to piss off a lot of fans this year. If tons of players are kneeling for the anthem, you are going to see a bigger ratings drop than what we saw a couple years ago. Players have the right to protest and kneel during the anthem, but they have to decide if their cause is more important than their career.
Let's face it - there is only one way to think now. If you don't express the popular opinion, you are shouted down and treated like a pariah. If a coach does not express the correct thinking on a social issue, the players rebel and threaten to refuse to play for him. What happened to the old "agree to disagree" logic.
Or, you could educate yourself and see if there may be a point you're missing. Just a thought.
That's your opinion. We can agree to disagree.
You just nailed it. I Admire Ben Watson And he was on the Laura Ingram show sometime back. This is when Jemelle hill the bigot was advocating for black players to go to black colleges. Ben said he thought it was a great idea and they got him off the show immediately. And they should have. If Nick Chubb had gone to Grambling, would I have cared. If Todd Gurley has stayed at South Carolina state what I’ve cared? Hell no. And the money wouldn’t of followed because I’m not gonna change my allegiance for any unknown High school kid. I watch Georgia. And if somebody wanted to go to a historically black college to make a point they are welcome to ride a bus 12 hours on Friday because the monies not there nor is it there in smaller divisions. Period.We’re all here because we are Georgia fans.
Unfortunately college football is morphing into a NFL minor-league with all the transfers and talk of paying players… And that will be the worst thing that will happen to the black athlete
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Sure they are. They're just being held responsible for those opinions. Kinda new for some folks.
Very good point, and not sure we'll ever know. I think if you see a big ratings drop this year then we'll have a clearer picture. I wish we could find a happy medium of improving race relations without disrespecting the flag, but here we are. I will be happy to have sports back period.
Jed York, owner of the 49ers, gave $1M to support Kaepernick's cause after he first kneeled and setup a meeting with the police chief to begin conversations about real change. Kaepernick never showed up to the meeting. That is where he lost a lot of people in NFL circles.
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Wait so they didn’t agree with Bens opinion and took him off the show? Huh thought only the big, bad left did stuff like that.
The guy who make 5 million bucks a year has to think about what his unpaid labor wants and feels
FTFY
No I think I understand the counterpoint to my argument. They have a right to do what they want. My whole point is that the game is changing and not everyone is going to stay onboard when the train leaves the station. These players have a right to protest or disagree just as much as I do. I can also turn off the television or quit going to the games too. My biggest problem with the Gundy situation is how the player handled it. Go straight to social media and throw the head coach to the wolves. Not cool. That is not how successful people do business.
And you're privy to the discussions, the internal workings of that locker room and office? The game is changing because it needs to change. I wonder what message boards would have looked like had they existed in 1947?
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Yeah they did it was like 1057 and I’m sure that wasn’t the answer they were expecting. But they have had him back on Fox many times since
But it’s a stupid position unless you want to go back to the 1950s because all the ESPN
And all the Woke warriors can’t fix that
agree. With all the stupid shot that’s been going on and so many people looking to appease these
Little mobs, I’m starting to lose interest.
CFB is all I watch on TV. I live it. I wait for it every year, plan my calendar around it and it’s really my sole pastime.
but when these entitled brats strat demanding we behave according to their wishes, they can have it. A couple things like the Tx player demands, Florida starting to pay players, and this stuff, just feels like they are ruining this sport.
im under no illusion that anyone cares how I feel about this and I’m certain CFB doesn’t need my support to survive but I’m just losing interest as this silliness continues. I truly hope it stops.
I would be a sad mofo without UGA and CFB.
Or, it (whatever 'it' is) began when we created this myth of a country dedicated to the equal rights of all people,didn't live up to it, and then vilified those who pointed out the discrepancy; when propaganda was consider historical fact and those who pointed out the less than flattering truth were branded un-American. Personally, I'll respect this country when, if, it at least tries to live up to the promise it made to the world.
Ahhh. We were not! I completely misunderstood your point. Thanks for clearing that up. We agree.
At this rate, I’m hoping for full-on kneeling with a raised fist by every player.
If all the posters who claim they’ll quit the sport actually follow through, this place will be greatly improved.
If all the posters who claim they’ll quit the sport actually follow through, this place will be greatly improved.
Actually they can express their views, it's just that now, folks are more upset than ever before that the racial ideology is not being accepted anymore. Folks with an ounce of moral values are onboard with trying to end this stupid racism crap. Enough is enough. So if you are leader or a person in authority and you are a racist or have some sort of racist tendencies in your body, you better keep it amongst yourself because if it's on social media, more than likely you will be removed from said position. And if you are a leader or a person in authority and you have gotten your jollies off by berating black athletes because of your position, you better pray that it doesn't surface. If it does surface, you will be removed. Ask the Former Iowa Strength and Conditioning Coordinator how that turned out for him. I promise you Coach Ferentz is sweating bullets right now.
Not really, athletes are just tired of the BS. I am sure if you were an athlete and he wore something that went against what you believed, you wouldn't have been quiet.
Why is it that some of you on here are so upset that black athletes are standing up for themselves and refusing to be oppressed and treated like crap any longer? How can you be ok with oppressing anyone for that matter? So now that black athletes are using their platform to raise awareness they are wrong? Should they just shut up and run the football, catch the football and tackle? I'm not saying all black athletes are treat like crap and I am not saying all white coaches treat black athletes like crap but there are few that do. So when an athlete speaks out, he or she shouldn't have to be ridiculed for doing so. If you don't want to be called out then don't do it.
So I honestly never heard of this network until this came up. Do they promote racism or are they just another version of right leaning “news” network?
How long do you think it will be before highly ranked High School players insist that a college coach must declare their political affiliation first before they agree to sign a letter of intent?
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you’re entitled to your opinion but I’m sorry, if you get to go to college for free, eat for free, free housing, clothing, who knows what else and then turn around and complain about a shirt your coach wears, you’re worse than an entitled brat.
many have been appreciative of the OPPORTUNITY than they were afforded and to them I am grateful. I paid for my own college, and everything associated with it so I know it’s value. Most of these guys couldn’t even get in on their academic merits, much less get a scholarship, then turn around show such little gratitude.
honestly, people like you are the problem, acting as if these student athletes are bigger than the institution, has given rise to them thinking that way as well.
