Yep, don't respond to the issue of fraud and just throw out the insults. Right by the playbook.
I don't hate America, just what Trump is doing to it.
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Yep, don't respond to the issue of fraud and just throw out the insults. Right by the playbook.
I don't hate America, just what Trump is doing to it.
He's a lying mental head case who you wouldn't do business with in a million years nor trust him in a room with your wife or daughters. That should be enough for anyone not to vote for the idiot.
I feel you're grasping for straws. Your hate of Trump has blinded you to the good that he does.I never suggested that Trump's four years was entirely free from accomplishment. I said many Trumpist supporters make unfounded accusations. That is two entirely different things. After four years in office, the first two with Republican control of both houses, a total absence of accomplishment would be almost impossible.
Regardless, I will take a shot at responding to you list.
-Trump has brokered numerous trade and peace deals-
Numerous peach deals is a bit of an exaggeration. Israel/Bahrain-UAE is significant but it is far from the Deal of the century he promised regarding Israeli Palestinian peace.
I happen to agree with his aggressive stance on trade with China, but there are a crap-ton of farmers suffering because of that policy. And China is not paying the tariffs, we are.
-he has done more for the African American community than any other president in history (Google it, you'll be surprised), almost 4 million jobs created since election, created more than 400,000 manufacturing jobs since the election, African-American unemployment has recently achieved the lowest rate ever recorded-
African American employment has improved steadily since the worst of the recession in 2010. Trump was certainly able to maintain that trend but he didn't turn anything around. Also, that was all prior to the pandemic. AA unemployment is currently back to 13.2% and was at 7.2% for January 2017, the month Trump took office.
Unemployment Rate - 20 Yrs. & over, Black or African American Men
Graph and download economic data for Unemployment Rate - 20 Yrs. & over, Black or African American Men (LNS14000031) from Jan 1972 to Sep 2022 about 20 years +, African-American, males, household survey, unemployment, rate, and USA.fred.stlouisfed.org
-Hispanic-American unemployment is at the lowest rate ever recorded, women’s unemployment recently reached the lowest rate in 65 years, almost 3.9 million Americans have been lifted off food stamps since the election-
See above. Same trends as with AA unemployment (maintained the trend line in place when he took office) and all true until the pandemic. Why are you ignoring the current numbers?
-as a result of the tax bill, small businesses will have the lowest top marginal tax rate in more than 80 years-
Technically true, but should say "lowest possible top marginal rate" instead as this change is not impactful for the majority of small business, who prior to the legislation were paying less that 25%.
FACT CHECK: Would Small Businesses Pay The Lowest Tax Rate In Over 80 Years Under The GOP Tax Plan?
'A 40 percent cut'checkyourfact.com
-opened ANWR and approved Keystone XL and Dakota Access Pipelines-
Not everyone sees this as a victory, but I acknowledge it is a promise kept by Trump.
-record number of regulations eliminated-
Same as the last one. Not every regulation is a productivity-choking hindrance, but another promise kept.
-enacted regulatory relief for community banks and credit unions-
Passed with bipartisan support and I also support this.
-Obamacare individual mandate penalty GONE, the FDA approved more affordable generic drugs than ever before in history, they reformed the Medicare program to stop hospitals from overcharging low-income seniors on their drugs, signed Right-To-Try legislation, secured $6 billion in NEW funding to fight the opioid epidemic, signed VA Choice Act and VA Accountability Act, expanded VA tele-health services, walk-in-clinics, and same-day urgent primary and mental health care-
And yet, the administration continues to attempt to fully dismantle Obama-care with no plan for replacing it. Currently in court attempting to have prior conditions clause eleminited while saying "we will always protect prior conditions."
-increased our coal exports by 60 percent; U.S. oil production recently reached all-time high, United States is a net natural gas exporter for the first time since 1957-
Coal is a complex issue and is awful for the environment, oil and gas trends were well underway when Trump took office. He has certainly continued the trends, driven in large part by advances in fracking and other technologies. Again, you are also ignoring the current conditions. The gas industry is getting crushed by the pandemic.
-withdrew the United States from the job-killing Paris Climate Accord-
This is no place for a climate change debate, but suffice to say I disagree with this move.
-secured record $700 billion in military funding; $716 billion next year NATO allies are spending $69 billion more on defense since 2016-
I remember when Republicans at least pretended like they cared about deficits. I am sure balanced budgets will become priority #1 again if Biden wins.
-confirmed more circuit court judges than any other new administration-
No doubt the single biggest promise kept by Trump and the reason many people support him. This is a reason for me to vote against him, but again that is a longer conversation.
-withdrew from the horrible, one-sided Iran Deal-
We are a very long way from determining if that was the right move or not.
-moved U.S. Embassy to Jerusalem-
Why does this matter to you?
-He is building the border wall to mitigate illegal immigration saving our country billions of dollars-
And he promised us Mexico would pay for said wall. Did you donate to Steve Bannon's scam Build the Wall organization? If you think there will be a wall that stops illegal immigration erected on the southern border I also have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you.
-I mean, Middle-East countries still have slavery and kill homosexuals in the streets with everyone cheering. What else do you got?-
I don't compare our quality of life to the middle east. I compare it to the rest of the first world countries. We are far from the world leader in a number of important categories.
The U.S. dropped majorly on the index that measures well-being — here’s where it ranks now
Only America, Brazil and Hungary are worse off now than when the Social Progress Index began a decade agowww.marketwatch.com
I’m not defending Trump. Rallies are not required attendance. Are they for 8 year old kids, who have no (0) sources of information other than POTUS’s mouth? Evidently he wanted his most ardent fans to die?
I’m questioning our sanity & maturity in seeking almost always to BLAME everything we experience or imagine on one person or 1 group (simpler for life’s rookies) . We’re like crazed children fearful of our own shadows and every sound. We delight in or are desperate for a bogeyman for all seasons & reasons. We want few to no responsibilities, certainly no personal accountability for bad news, bad feelings or bad results in the grand scheme.
We want whipping boys. “Kill Piggy!” How many times must we be reminded (whether we want to admit it or not) that with us “children,” it’s all about the messenger, not the message. “For the Bible tells us so.” We’re childishly shallow and drawn to and line up to buy attractive packaging, not what’s inside. Ingredients & details (Whole Truth) bore us. Ask the news/marketing experts. They’ve had our number for decades upon decades.
WE are definitely THE problem. We claim to demand TRUTH, but we actually want only the fun, safe or entertaining parts of the “whole truth.“ We‘ve earned and deserve Trump and more like him until we learn that pretty packaging and dulcet tones are rarely our best choice ... if we choose to be adults about it all. And that seems to be our biggest challenge...:::growing up & growing past dependencies.
It’s seriously (should be) embarrassing for us how consistently we are duped by brand imaging, the same old recycled & repackaged platitudes by both parties over and over and over. We’re in a constant dreamscape hoping & wishing for or fantasizing about a benevolent emperor coming soon to free all of us little villagers from the evil dragons on the mountain. Hilarious part is that we keep voting for those same old dragons in Mr. Rogers costumes. We love a great costume accompanied by a familiar act.
WE have work to do. We’ve always had work to do. Will we ever cross over from childish blame & fantasy to more mature & pragmatic levels of work & solutions? I had hoped Trump’s revealing DC for what’s truly important to that core fraternity would wake us citizens the hell up. But, WE are (as it turns out) the real deep (sleep) State.
But, there’s still hope, right? No, wait ..... we’ve been worked by that angle for generations. Or, we could just MoveOn. Or ponder more promises & platitudes that are all too familiar, but as comforting as age old lullabies. Nap time? Oh, yeah! “That’s the ticket.” And running that one guy outta town. Yeah, that’ll make it all better for a couple weeks. Or until that celebration hangover aka REALITY comes calling.
WE will be fun to watch as always. Great for TV news/entertainment revenue. THEY (DC) won’t ever change. Don’t need to. They’re in charge. Not US! They know that all we really want are relatively good seats for all the reruns we love so much. Bless our hearts. So special. So sweet. Right, Mom?
And how many other Presidents of any country have you had personal dealings with? Did you bring your wife & daughter to spend hours & days alone with him? Didn’t think so.He's a lying mental head case who you wouldn't do business with in a million years nor trust him in a room with your wife or daughters. That should be enough for anyone not to vote for the idiot.
He’s what he is. And despite how unsuited he is for that one act clown show in DC, he’s not one of them. But, like most of us “concerned citizens” driven by FEELINGS, you may prefer a professional role player, a career politician, whose every utterance is dictated by a survey of the moment? A representative of the people, who truly thinks for himself, but works only for his “constituents.” Brings a tear to my eye. Yes sir! That tired old routine Is a fabulously creative idea! Wonder why we haven’t thought of that before now. Wow! This will save us all. Truly revolutionary thinking. Maybe save the world, too! Yay, team! Woo hoo!
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My 401K is routing for Trump! Biden has had 47 years. What makes folks think that the next 4 will get the job done?
He most definitely is the answer give then alternative.
Yeah I wonder how Tom Fitton of judicial watch got California to remove 1.8 million illegal voters from the rolls. I guess there was no fraud there was there?
A viable third party candidate, who has fewer enemies inside the Beltway, but who can sell the idea that pragmatic choices, plans and solutions will yield more immediate (and better most of the time) results. As it currently stands, the GOP is the ONLY choice that won't sink our economy and what's left of our national scope, vision and pride. The dicey part of making that happen is for a less divisive figure to emerge as a healer and a dealer. Someone, who can be decisive without a survey every 20 minutes and who can communicate the idea of "WE the people of the UNITED states of America" effectively and consistently. We cannot survive the global stage as individuals constantly blaming each other for every wrong we experience or imagine. At some point, we have to prioritize a structured purpose at community, state and national levels. We used to say, God (spiritual purpose), family (family ties teach structural balance) and country (stronger as one selfless voice than as individual whiners) as a pecking order. Not a bad choice still.
Just for comparison, H1N1 is estimated to have killed between 150,000 and 575,000 people in it's first season according to the CDC, yet Obama/Biden did little to nothing to address.... didn't shut down an already floundering economy (2009).... didn't ask for or even address quarantines or wearing of masks in public, nor did any media outlet, Fox included.... if a Republican had been in the White House at that time, do you believe the same response (or lack of) would have been given? If so, why?
I am surprised people keep mentioning H1N1 as some sort of gotcha about liberal hypocrisy. You omitted several key facts in your comparison.
H1N1 global deaths: 151k - 575k (estimate)
This was between April 12th 2009 and April 10th 2010, so twelve months.
H1N1 US deaths: 8868 - 18,306 (estimate)
This calculates to between 3% and 6% of all global deaths.
Covid19 globals deaths: 929k through September 14th.
Covid19 US deaths: 194k
The US currently accounts for 21% of global deaths.
Covid19 has only been widespread for about eight months, the total numbers were curtailed by a global shutdown, global deaths have already greatly exceeded H1N1 and we are far from done with the current situation.
Given the above, help me understand why you think this is a favorable comparison for Trump?
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80 million infected in the US. Zero action taken by Obama/Biden to prepare or prevent the spread. Highly infectious disease. If it was as deadly as Covid millions would have died. Obama administration and America was fortunate it turned out to be a nothing burger. However, That was the only reason we came out unscathed. But, It was an administrative failure on all fronts.
That's real funny. Willdup asked a question and instead of answering his question when you responded to him, you just went right ahead and asked a question and now you want an answer first. SMH
- H1N1 started in the US so we had much less/no time to prepare.
- Within the first week after the first detected infection on April 15th, the CDC had publically reported the new virus, begun work on a vaccine and activated the Emergency Operations Center.
- Thirteen days after the first case, the FDA approved the a H1N1 test and the CDC released CDC Interim Guidance on Closing Schools and Childcare Facilities, recommending a 7-day dismissal in affected schools and childcare facilities with laboratory-confirmed cases of influenza A H1N1 virus.
- May 1st the CDC updated the CDC Interim Guidance on Closing Schools and Childcare Facilities, recommending affected communities with lab-confirmed cases of influenza A H1N1 consider adopting school dismissal and childcare closing measures, including closing for up to 14 days depending on the extent and severity of influenza illness.
- By May 5th, 980 schools were dismissed due to H1N1 affecting 607k students.
Your characterization that Obama/Biden did little to nothing in response is proven incorrect in both the actions taken and the results when compared to Trump's Covid19 response.
So again, why do you feel this is such a favorable comparison for the current administration?
Thanks Deadly.....You saved me the trouble....
This is not a debate about lethality, it's a debate about SCALE.... unless Obama mystically foreknew that "only" 12,500 people would die, he was malfeasant in his response. From the time H1N1 was reported in April 2009, Obama's only public comment was 9 months later in January when he "strongly urged" Americans to get the H1N1 shot. 60-80 million infected in this country could have easily turned into 2-4 million dead had it the same 3.5% death rate as COVID. Unlike COVID, H1N1 killed primarily younger people with no pre-existing conditions according to the CDC.
The WHO also reported several years later that possibly tens of thousands more died from viral pnuemonia as a result of H1N1 in subsequent months.
I was 44 years old at the time.... I remember it well. Schools in some parts closed, hospitals began small scale quarantining based on the regionality of the outbreak, but none of this was federally mandated or advised. Churches weren't shut down, people weren't sent home from their jobs. Nobody told anybody to wear a mask, and we didn't release felons from prison while elderly were hoarded into nursing homes where they died unnecessarily.
I'm still waiting for a response to my question..... if a Republican had been President in 2009, would he have gotten a pass from the media like Obama did? If so, why?
Once again.... you failed to answer my question.... see my response below. And for clarity's sake, the CDC guidelines were not given force of law, nor did they result in any significant directives from the White House.
Wrong, much of the closings were advised by the CDC starting less than two weeks after confirmation of the first case. See my post above.
It's not like we didn't begin to develop a sense for the mortality rate as soon as cases began to grow. That's like saying that Trump would have done an even worse job if Covid19 were five times more deadly than it is. That is a weak strawman argument.
And in other news. Who's really running for president, Biden or Harris? I'll let Joe answer for us.
I can see I'm not going to get an answer..... which is actually the answer i was looking for.
My goal was not to "win" an argument..... it was a rhetorical question I presented to you....
I wanted to see if you were an intelligent, open minded person that might concede that the media is far from objective in its reporting, or if you were just another liberal ideologue with above average Google skills..... thanks for clarifying.
What exactly should the media have called out? The 200k deaths? The significantly worse performance of the US response compared to the rest of the world? The squandering of several months time to prepare? No, that is today's scenario, not 2009.
I have acknowledged in this thread that the media is not objective. This is not even open for debate by any reasonable people. So what is your point? Are you saying that because the media treated 12k deaths differently than 200k deaths that this somehow makes the failures equal? Or do you even have a point?
What exactly is the headline the NY Times should have written in November of 2009?
So, to finally answer your question, given what was happening in this country economically in 2009, I suspect the the press would not have had a much bigger focus on an illness that killed 12k people over the course of a year, regardless of which party held the White House. Would there have been more focus if John McCain were President? Probably so. Given we were attempting to recover from a near catastrophic economic collapse (instead of enjoying the greatest economy in the history of the world, as Trump says), the press had plenty else to focus on.
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The right and left are both equally guilty of propaganda and half truths. One side publishes and article, the other rebuts with one from a cadre of politically run outlets.
has it been determined when and where the exact moment Herman Cain contracted the China Virus? I guess it is convenient to assume he got it at the rally. I’ll shut up and listen.
Herman Cain was high risk and attended a rally, indoors, with thousands of people, where almost no one was distancing or wearing masks. Every fact I listed goes against CDC guidelines for avoiding illness. He tested positive nine days later, which certainly fits within the proper time frame. Science and statistics suggest the rally is the most likely place he was exposed, but he may have been exposed traveling to or from the rally as well. Would that somehow make the fact that he ignored all CDC recommendations and died somehow more palatable?
You stated that "From the time H1N1 was reported in April 2009, Obama's only public comment was 9 months later in January when he "strongly urged" Americans to get the H1N1 shot."
This statement is dead wrong and yet another example of a completely manufactured narrative. Obama had a press conference ten days after the initial outbreak. Highlights included:
- Instructed Department of Education to provide direction to schools
- State Department coordinated efforts with eleven other nations
- Stated clearly this was not like the regular flu (hmm, interesting concept)
- Reminded americans they all had a role to play
- Struck a serious tone
- Praised the Bush administration for stockpiling drugs and handing off a response plan during the transition (another interesting concept)
Compare the content of that press conference with the first month of statements from Trump (it is going away, same as the flu, anyone who wants a test can get one, fifteen going to zero, we have it under control).
The President's Remarks on H1N1
Here are the President’s remarks on the H1N1 flu virus during the opening of last night’s press conference
obamawhitehouse.archives.gov
That's funny.You stated that "From the time H1N1 was reported in April 2009, Obama's only public comment was 9 months later in January when he "strongly urged" Americans to get the H1N1 shot."
This statement is dead wrong and yet another example of a completely manufactured narrative. Obama had a press conference ten days after the initial outbreak. Highlights included:
So, you claim he didn't say a word about H1N1 for nine months and it took me one google search to prove that statement spectacularly wrong.
- Instructed Department of Education to provide direction to schools
- State Department coordinated efforts with eleven other nations
- Stated clearly this was not like the regular flu (hmm, interesting concept)
- Reminded americans they all had a role to play
- Struck a serious tone
- Praised the Bush administration for stockpiling drugs and handing off a response plan during the transition (another interesting concept)
Compare the content of that press conference with the first month of statements from Trump (it is going away, same as the flu, anyone who wants a test can get one, fifteen going to zero, we have it under control).
The President's Remarks on H1N1
Here are the President’s remarks on the H1N1 flu virus during the opening of last night’s press conference
Instructed the Department of Education to provide direction? -- That's funny, Why not the CDC, The experts?
State Dept coordinated efforts with 7 nations? -- How about 147 nations like Trump?
Stated clearly this was not the flu.-- Hahahahah! still no CDC.
Reminded (so serious) Americans they all had a roll to play. -- Daily briefings? Task Force? NAH too much trouble.
Serious tone? -- You're kidding right?
Praising Bush for leaving a stockpile of drugs. Interesting concept-- You're right, Obama left Trump with nothing! Trump had to scramble to get the supplies the country needed to fight the virus. And by hard work, ingenuity and harnessing the military and private industry he succeeded .
Obama and Biden were too busy inventing the Russia collusion hoax, sending cash to Iran, manufacturing to China, hobnobbing with Hollywood, making deals to spend Trillions on "climate change", and developing the TPP which would have completed the ruination of our country's manufacturing capabilities. They left the cupboards bare. I can't think of anything Obama/Biden did right.
well since the narrative is that Trump killed Herm
And he may have been exposed after he was home, but since it doesn’t fit the narrative......
You know what I like most? That Herman Cain was free to choose which guidelines he followed. Do you ever exceed the speed limit in your car? Work on your own outlets? Just wanna make sure your on the straight and narrow in all aspects of your life.
Herman took a risk, Herman died but it was his choice. I just wonder how all those babies feel about being sucked out of their Mothers womb?
You are wrong again and again and again. I keep proving you wrong and you keep coming back for more. I posted this above but you obviously didn't read it.
- H1N1 started in the US so we had much less/no time to prepare.
- Within the first week after the first detected infection on April 15th, the CDC had publically reported the new virus, begun work on a vaccine and activated the Emergency Operations Center.
- Thirteen days after the first case, the FDA approved the a H1N1 test and the CDC released CDC Interim Guidance on Closing Schools and Childcare Facilities, recommending a 7-day dismissal in affected schools and childcare facilities with laboratory-confirmed cases of influenza A H1N1 virus.
- May 1st the CDC updated the CDC Interim Guidance on Closing Schools and Childcare Facilities, recommending affected communities with lab-confirmed cases of influenza A H1N1 consider adopting school dismissal and childcare closing measures, including closing for up to 14 days depending on the extent and severity of influenza illness.
- By May 5th, 980 schools were dismissed due to H1N1 affecting 607k students.
2009 H1N1 Flu Pandemic Timeline
A timeline of major events that took place during the 2009 H1N1 flu pandemic.
www.cdc.gov
So the CDC led the effort from the beginning.
So to summarize:
"Obama did or said nothing for nine months!"
No, he spoke directly to the american people inside of two weeks and clearly and directly communicated the seriousness of the situation.
"OK, he did something but he didn't involve the CDC!"
No, the CDC led from the very beginning.
"Obama left Trump with nothing!"
No, he left a detailed playbook and a pandemic response task force that was, depending on the source, intentionally dismantled by Trump or allowed to be subsumed by other agencies. Also, we had several months notice of the virus given what we saw in China and Europe and still face a critical PPE shortage months into our response.
Also, the pandemic came in Trump's FOURTH YEAR IN OFFICE! Blaming a bare cupboard on the prior administration is just the kind of "I'm not responsible at all" comment we expect from y'all.
"Hrr drr, russia hoax, celebrities, climate change!"
Deflection, deflection, change the subject, libtards suck! Thanks you for closing out the discussion by showing you have nothing else on the topic to share.
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It is quite rich for you to rail about others “not being interested in the truth” and being “sheeple” without seeing the irony of your position.
but par for the course with Trumpons.
You are wrong again and again and again. I keep proving you wrong and you keep coming back for more. I posted this above but you obviously didn't read it.
- H1N1 started in the US so we had much less/no time to prepare.
- Within the first week after the first detected infection on April 15th, the CDC had publically reported the new virus, begun work on a vaccine and activated the Emergency Operations Center.
- Thirteen days after the first case, the FDA approved the a H1N1 test and the CDC released CDC Interim Guidance on Closing Schools and Childcare Facilities, recommending a 7-day dismissal in affected schools and childcare facilities with laboratory-confirmed cases of influenza A H1N1 virus.
- May 1st the CDC updated the CDC Interim Guidance on Closing Schools and Childcare Facilities, recommending affected communities with lab-confirmed cases of influenza A H1N1 consider adopting school dismissal and childcare closing measures, including closing for up to 14 days depending on the extent and severity of influenza illness.
- By May 5th, 980 schools were dismissed due to H1N1 affecting 607k students.
2009 H1N1 Flu Pandemic Timeline
A timeline of major events that took place during the 2009 H1N1 flu pandemic.
So the CDC led the effort from the beginning.
So to summarize:
"Obama did or said nothing for nine months!"
No, he spoke directly to the american people inside of two weeks and clearly and directly communicated the seriousness of the situation.
"OK, he did something but he didn't involve the CDC!"
No, the CDC led from the very beginning.
"Obama left Trump with nothing!"
No, he left a detailed playbook and a pandemic response task force that was, depending on the source, intentionally dismantled by Trump or allowed to be subsumed by other agencies. Also, we had several months notice of the virus given what we saw in China and Europe and still face a critical PPE shortage months into our response.
Also, the pandemic came in Trump's FOURTH YEAR IN OFFICE! Blaming a bare cupboard on the prior administration is just the kind of "I'm not responsible at all" comment we expect from y'all.
"Hrr drr, russia hoax, celebrities, climate change!"
Deflection, deflection, change the subject, libtards suck! Thanks you for closing out the discussion by showing you have nothing else on the topic to share.
Agreed. And also conveniently ignored out of hand by the Trumpon blind followers is the fact that Trump had been in office for 3 full years before the first confirmed US case of Covid hit. He also had an extensive pentagon report that was completed and sent to the WH in Jan 2017 that was waiting for him on his desk on DAY 1 of his presidency that he completely ignored. The report was all about the threat of a domestic pandemic hitting the US at large & specifically listed a coronavirus type virus as the most likely culprit for a pandemic. The report also went on to list in detail all the many steps that needed to be taken within the government to be prepared to handle such an event well & also detailed extensively the many deficiencies that existed in the government toward such an effort that would need to be corrected in order to handle such a coronavirus well as a country. Almost none of those steps were taken by the Trump administration. The pentagon report proved quite prophetic. Had it been taken seriously many lives could have been saved.
The Trumpists love to complain about biased media, but many seem to get their information from Hannity, Tucker Carlson and Mark Levin (top of my list of odious right-wing propagandists). Like with this thread, fact checking their statements and accusations doesn't even require much of an effort.
You are correct that Herman Cain made his choice and he died. I have been saying for months, I am supportive of people ignoring the science and CDC recommendations as long as they pledge to stay home if they get sick. We have lost hundreds of healthcare workers to Covid19 and unlike Herman Cain, they don't get to choose whether they follow the science or not.
Honoring U.S. Healthcare Workers Who Died From Coronavirus
MedPage Today lists those who have lost their lives to COVID-19
www.medpagetoday.com
I understand that for you and others, every argument comes back to abortion. While i disagree, I respect your position. However, I am curious if the lives of the long list of dead healthcare workers matter to you as much as lives lost to abortion? If so, and you believe in the sanctity of all life, it seems you should be highly supportive of the CDC recommendations to reduce risk and slow the spread of the virus.
You are correct that Herman Cain made his choice and he died. I have been saying for months, I am supportive of people ignoring the science and CDC recommendations as long as they pledge to stay home if they get sick. We have lost hundreds of healthcare workers to Covid19 and unlike Herman Cain, they don't get to choose whether they follow the science or not.
Honoring U.S. Healthcare Workers Who Died From Coronavirus
MedPage Today lists those who have lost their lives to COVID-19
I understand that for you and others, every argument comes back to abortion. While i disagree, I respect your position. However, I am curious if the lives of the long list of dead healthcare workers matter to you as much as lives lost to abortion? If so, and you believe in the sanctity of all life, it seems you should be highly supportive of the CDC recommendations to reduce risk and slow the spread of the virus.
I will say this and you will likely disagree, but Healthcare workers assume some risk when choosing that profession. That is obvious. BLM says Law Enforcement assumes that risk so violence against them is ok. Now when it comes to human babies...what choice do they have? They are the most precious, innocent lives that can be lost. So no, the lives lost by healthcare workers do not matter to me as much as those people (yes they are people) that are murdered by no choice of their own, only because the mother does not want to take responsibility for her poor choice (don’t go down the rabbit hole of rape please, that’s different). So ya, I will place babies lives above those that chose to assume risk in their profession. I assumed a hell of a lot of risk on my 10 years of active duty, and I will never not stand up for those that can’t stand up for themselves, regardless of race or age.
I agree that acceptance of risk should be a factor in choice of profession, as I am sure it was with you and your choice to join the military. That is a fair point.
I understand how someone arrives at your view regarding abortion and I respect it. It does render any discussion of other policy topics almost impossible (as they always return to abortion), but that is fine. Cheers and good health to you, sir and thank you for your service.
thanks and agree, I will just never be able to understand why abortion is a political issue. How people can justify it rocks me to my core. It seems like such an easy answer.
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