What's the truth?

[celticdawg]

At his press conference today Trump said he had no knowledge of what happened ("the leak"). If that's the truth I can't believe his staff hadn't informed him about it and just sent him out there. They certainly had to know about it or should have. Speaking of the truth - how could 18 top people not know they weren't using something secure to discuss something that was very sensitive information. And Hegseth said to the press that "nobody was texting war plans". Sure sounds like it. The investigations could be interesting.

The alternative is that Trump knew of the leak (he should have in some fashion) and lied about it. Wouldn't be the first time. Instead of saying something like I'll have to look into it or we'll have to look into it, he says he's not a big fan of the Atlantic and to him it's a magazine that's going out of business. Typical deflection by Trump (or as we say on the Vent that's a 0/10).

So what's the truth?

 

[zingerdawg]

At his press conference today Trump said he had no knowledge of what happened ("the leak"). If that's the truth I can't believe his staff hadn't informed him about it and just sent him out there. They certainly had to know about it or should have. Speaking of the truth - how could 18 top people not know they weren't using something secure to discuss something that was very sensitive information. And Hegseth said to the press that "nobody was texting war plans". Sure sounds like it. The investigations could be interesting.

The alternative is that Trump knew of the leak (he should have in some fashion) and lied about it. Wouldn't be the first time. Instead of saying something like I'll have to look into it or we'll have to look into it, he says he's not a big fan of the Atlantic and to him it's a magazine that's going out of business. Typical deflection by Trump (or as we say on the Vent that's a 0/10).

So what's the truth?

I know this is fun for you guys. You have to do this. I don’t blame you. After the 100’s of times Biden made gaffes or almost got U.S. into ww3. It is a really bad blunder. No defense for this. The truth is that Trump I am sure knows now. He did what he could do to deflect it. I feel like he took some of the heat off his guys.

For me what is lost in this was the discussion. I found it way more interesting as an inside look at how a decision like this is made. Sound logic was used. It wasn’t a decision made lightly. It wasn’t rushed. A ton of common sense viewpoints were used. Their competency with technology should be questioned for sure, but everything said was spot on.

 

[Athens is Heaven]

At his press conference today Trump said he had no knowledge of what happened ("the leak"). If that's the truth I can't believe his staff hadn't informed him about it and just sent him out there. They certainly had to know about it or should have. Speaking of the truth - how could 18 top people not know they weren't using something secure to discuss something that was very sensitive information. And Hegseth said to the press that "nobody was texting war plans". Sure sounds like it. The investigations could be interesting.

The alternative is that Trump knew of the leak (he should have in some fashion) and lied about it. Wouldn't be the first time. Instead of saying something like I'll have to look into it or we'll have to look into it, he says he's not a big fan of the Atlantic and to him it's a magazine that's going out of business. Typical deflection by Trump (or as we say on the Vent that's a 0/10).

So what's the truth?

So just let them handle this. You Dems are making a mountain out of a molehill as us usual.

 

[Athens is Heaven]

At his press conference today Trump said he had no knowledge of what happened ("the leak"). If that's the truth I can't believe his staff hadn't informed him about it and just sent him out there. They certainly had to know about it or should have. Speaking of the truth - how could 18 top people not know they weren't using something secure to discuss something that was very sensitive information. And Hegseth said to the press that "nobody was texting war plans". Sure sounds like it. The investigations could be interesting.

The alternative is that Trump knew of the leak (he should have in some fashion) and lied about it. Wouldn't be the first time. Instead of saying something like I'll have to look into it or we'll have to look into it, he says he's not a big fan of the Atlantic and to him it's a magazine that's going out of business. Typical deflection by Trump (or as we say on the Vent that's a 0/10).

So what's the truth?

My you Dems have lied your whole life and you raise hell about a Trump mess up.

 

[celticdawg]

I know this is fun for you guys. You have to do this. I don’t blame you. After the 100’s of times Biden made gaffes or almost got U.S. into ww3. It is a really bad blunder. No defense for this. The truth is that Trump I am sure knows now. He did what he could do to deflect it. I feel like he took someone the heat off his guys.

For me what is lost in this was the discussion. I found it way more interesting as an inside look at how a decision like this is made. Sound logic was used. It wasn’t a decision made lightly. It wasn’t rushed. A ton of common sense viewpoints were used. Their competency with technology should be questioned for sure, but everything said was spot on.

It's not fun and has nothing to do with Biden. I thought Trump was supposed to be better. And there should be heat on somebody.

I agree that the decision was made with some thought and good discussion. A pleasant change from how Trump operates.

 

[Booneville Dawg]

Trumps approval rating hit an average of 51% today. CNN tearfully even had him at 47%. To have a favorability rating of only 18% and their liberal news networks flirting with bankruptcy; you have to give the Democratic Party credit for making a lot of noise.

 

[seatonsdawgs]

I say we obsess over the mistake and talk non stop about it… instead of focusing on the many other positive things the administration is doing…

 

[celticdawg]

So just let them handle this. You Dems are making a mountain out of a molehill as us usual.

My you Dems have lied your whole life and you raise hell about a Trump mess up.

So what's the truth? It's certainly not your comments. And don't put me with the Dems.

 

[celticdawg]

I say we obsess over the mistake and talk non stop about it… instead of focusing on the many other  negative things the administration is doing…

FIFY

 

[Athens is Heaven]

So what's the truth? It's certainly not your comments. And don't put me with the Dems.

You tell me I don’t know.🤷

 

[zingerdawg]

It's not fun and has nothing to do with Biden. I thought Trump was supposed to be better. And there should be heat on somebody.

I agree that the decision was made with some thought and good discussion. A pleasant change from how Trump operates.

Stop it. You came running in here to post this. Probably giggling a little as you typed brother. I said I understand it. There is sufficient heat. Of course every news station has picked it up and run with it. He did a good job side stepping the question. The buck stops with him but he didn’t make the group up. Nor was he even in the group. It was a beyond stupid mistake that could have really caused some damage. Just glad the reporter was too stupid to know what he was looking at. I am very happy things worked out instead of the alternative. It is good to see something done about the issue over there.

 

[Athens is Heaven]

FIFY

Man you need to get a life. 😂

 

[Dirty Hairy Dawg]

It appears at this point there was a monumental screw up.

The Trump admin acknowledged the monumental screw up within hours.

At this point there has been no suggestion that evidence has been destroyed our a coverup is being attempted.

And the truth is the mission was a success but some asses should be excoriated.

 

[ferris]

FIFY

Securing the border is a negative thing in your opinion? ....okay

 

[Athens is Heaven]

It appears at this point there was a monumental screw up.

The Trump admin acknowledged the monumental screw up within hours.

At this point there has been no suggestion that evidence has been destroyed our a coverup is being attempted.

And the truth is the mission was a success but some asses should be excoriated.

I posted what I thought about this on another thread in here. I feel the same way.

 

[willdup]

At his press conference today Trump said he had no knowledge of what happened ("the leak"). If that's the truth I can't believe his staff hadn't informed him about it and just sent him out there. They certainly had to know about it or should have. Speaking of the truth - how could 18 top people not know they weren't using something secure to discuss something that was very sensitive information. And Hegseth said to the press that "nobody was texting war plans". Sure sounds like it. The investigations could be interesting.

The alternative is that Trump knew of the leak (he should have in some fashion) and lied about it. Wouldn't be the first time. Instead of saying something like I'll have to look into it or we'll have to look into it, he says he's not a big fan of the Atlantic and to him it's a magazine that's going out of business. Typical deflection by Trump (or as we say on the Vent that's a 0/10).

So what's the truth?

 

[Athens is Heaven]

Securing the border is a negative thing in

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And here we go with the lib propaganda machine! Ha!Ha!

 

[celticdawg]

Stop it. You came running in here to post this. Probably giggling a little as you typed brother. I said I understand it. There is sufficient heat. Of course every news station has picked it up and run with it. He did a good job side stepping the question. The buck stops with him but he didn’t make the group up. Nor was he even in the group. It was a beyond stupid mistake that could have really caused some damage. Just glad the reporter was too stupid to know what he was looking at. I am very happy things worked out instead of the alternative. It is good to see something done about the issue over there.

Nothing is funny about what is happening. And if you noticed there were a couple of posts about it before I asked my question.

Good job side stepping the question - that's not the job of the President. That's what his useless press secretary is for He should be a leader for a change.

Interesting he wasn't in the group since he is responsible for what happens. Yes, it was good to see something being done.

Did you read what the reporter wrote? Sounds like you just want to insult him like Trump and Hegseth. He showed proper restraint and waited until after it happened.

 

[The Original SLC Dawg]

Nothing is funny about what is happening. And if you noticed there were a couple of posts about it before I asked my question.

Good job side stepping the question - that's not the job of the President. That's what his useless press secretary is for He should be a leader for a change.

Interesting he wasn't in the group since he is responsible for what happens. Yes, it was good to see something being done.

Did you read what the reporter wrote? Sounds like you just want to insult him like Trump and Hegseth. He showed proper restraint and waited until after it happene

SMH Did you vandalize any teslas today?

 

[Pecanman]

The truth is , many Houthi terrorist are dead The text exchanges were a mistake that will not happen again & Iran better give up the nuke program or they are toast! That should cover it.

 

[Athens is Heaven]

The truth is , many Houthi terrorist are dead ! IThe text exchanges were a mistake that will not happen again & Iran better give up the nuke program or they are toast! That should cover it.

And that’s the other side of the story!!!!! Thanks Pecan!

 

[BlessedDawg]

At his press conference today Trump said he had no knowledge of what happened ("the leak"). If that's the truth I can't believe his staff hadn't informed him about it and just sent him out there. They certainly had to know about it or should have. Speaking of the truth - how could 18 top people not know they weren't using something secure to discuss something that was very sensitive information. And Hegseth said to the press that "nobody was texting war plans". Sure sounds like it. The investigations could be interesting.

The alternative is that Trump knew of the leak (he should have in some fashion) and lied about it. Wouldn't be the first time. Instead of saying something like I'll have to look into it or we'll have to look into it, he says he's not a big fan of the Atlantic and to him it's a magazine that's going out of business. Typical deflection by Trump (or as we say on the Vent that's a 0/10).

So what's the truth?

“you can’t handle the truth”. Sorry, couldn’t resist.

 

[Athens is Heaven]

“you can’t handle the truth”. Sorry, couldn’t resist.

They can’t even spell truth!

 

[55dawg]

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Completely different issues. No relationship whatsoever.

 

[zingerdawg]

Nothing is funny about what is happening. And if you noticed there were a couple of posts about it before I asked my question.

Good job side stepping the question - that's not the job of the President. That's what his useless press secretary is for He should be a leader for a change.

Interesting he wasn't in the group since he is responsible for what happens. Yes, it was good to see something being done.

Did you read what the reporter wrote? Sounds like you just want to insult him like Trump and Hegseth. He showed proper restraint and waited until after it happened.

What? Celtic. Stop being disingenuous. You didn’t have any of this outrage when the daily clusterfvck of the last four years was happening. The gaffe machine that was Biden. He has run your party into an 18 percent approval rating. The fact that four years of bad health was covered up. It cost our country so much. There is nothing more dangerous than the media covering up for the current president and not just one outlet. Almost all of them. Finally it took the debate for your to admit it. Where was your outrage? This is partisan stuff you are serving up.

What else do you want me to say? I have admitted it was a major screw up. This can never happen again. For certain trump needs to tighten up his inner circle. That being said, what was actually accomplished is pretty important. Too bad it is overshadowed by lefties reaching as far as they can to hold on to anything negative they can find about Trump. At 18 percent all you have left are the total wackos. Like I said in my op, I get you sprinting here to post about this.

In the interest of being fair and balanced. The good news is the democrats approval rating can only go up from here. Likely for trump’s only to go down. Even 1-6 didn’t cause this kind of rating drop for Trump and pubs. Tell me. What does that say about how bad it is to be a lefty right now.

 

[willdup]

Completely different issues. No relationship ha whatsoever.

So clips of a number of the participants in the recent security breach complaining about mishandling government information isn’t relevant? Seems highly relevant.

 

[Mississippi_Dawg]

Amateur hour. Inexcusable.

 

[celticdawg]

What? Celtic. Stop being disingenuous. You didn’t have any of this outrage when the daily clusterfvck of the last four years was happening. The gaffe machine that was Biden. He has run your party into an 18 percent approval rating. The fact that four years of bad health was covered up. It cost our country so much. There is nothing more dangerous than the media covering up for the current president and not just one outlet. Almost all of them. Finally it took the debate for your to admit it. Where was your outrage? This is partisan stuff you are serving up.

What else do you want me to say? I have admitted it was a major screw up. This can never happen again. For certain trump needs to tighten up his inner circle. That being said, what was actually accomplished is pretty important. Too bad it is overshadowed by lefties reaching as far as they can to hold on to anything negative they can find about Trump. At 18 percent all you have left are the total wackos. Like I said in my op, I get you sprinting here to post about this.

In the interest of being fair and balanced. The good news is the democrats approval rating can only go up from here. Likely for trump’s only to go down. Even 1-6 didn’t cause this kind of rating drop for Trump and pubs. Tell me. What does that say about how bad it is to be a lefty right now.

I know this is a waste of time, but I have never been a member of any political party so I don't give a shit about the approval ratings (I don't recall posting about them). We both said we wanted new candidates, but you seem to be in favor of what Trump is doing - which is fine with me. Reading your last paragraph sure sounds like you are hung up on ratings.

I could post every day about something Trump has done, but have posted little because we can wait and see(but it is mostly one questionable thing after another). But this incident is important regardless of what some are saying. How Trump handled it today is negative and Hegseth's suitability for the job is certainly in question. We'll see what comes of this.

You make it sound like it was my responsibility to post about Biden. Not my job. Besides everything bad got posted over and over again. And you need to stop living in the past.

 

[TivoliDawg]

At his press conference today Trump said he had no knowledge of what happened ("the leak"). If that's the truth I can't believe his staff hadn't informed him about it and just sent him out there. They certainly had to know about it or should have. Speaking of the truth - how could 18 top people not know they weren't using something secure to discuss something that was very sensitive information. And Hegseth said to the press that "nobody was texting war plans". Sure sounds like it. The investigations could be interesting.

The alternative is that Trump knew of the leak (he should have in some fashion) and lied about it. Wouldn't be the first time. Instead of saying something like I'll have to look into it or we'll have to look into it, he says he's not a big fan of the Atlantic and to him it's a magazine that's going out of business. Typical deflection by Trump (or as we say on the Vent that's a 0/10).

So what's the truth?

The truth is that obviously he knew about it and obviously he lied. Compared to the other ridiculous lies that Trump tells on a regular basis, I actually consider this one to be fairly mild. I think most presidents would say I’m unfamiliar with it. I need to look into it.

What Trump says publicly about it is not particularly relevant to me. What is relevant is what does he do with the leader of the department of defense?

Is it ironic that Pete says that the reporter is “discredited“ but that’s not true at all, and the person who’s actually been “discredited“ at their job is him?

This is the man who is leading our military. This is our country. We all need to be concerned about this and we can do better. We are so partisan that we are overlooking ridiculousness from our own political party and this is bringing our country down.

 

[TivoliDawg]

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Exactly. This is what is so infuriating.

10 years later, people are still harping about Hillary Clinton’s email server. I can assure you no conservatives on this board will be talking about this in one month, let alone 10 years. It’s an extraordinary double standard.

Both of them were extraordinary mistakes, and both of them should have resulted in someone losing their job. And yet… None will.

 

[willdup]

The truth is that obviously he knew about it and obviously he lied. Compared to the other ridiculous lies that Trump tells on a regular basis, I actually consider this one to be fairly mild. I think most presidents would say I’m unfamiliar with it. I need to look into it.

What Trump says publicly about it is not particularly relevant to me. What is relevant is what does he do with the leader of the department of defense?

Is it ironic that Pete says that the reporter is “discredited“ but that’s not true at all, and the person who’s actually been “discredited“ at their job is him?

This is the man who is leading our military. This is our country. We all need to be concerned about this and we can do better. We are so partisan that we are overlooking ridiculousness from our own political party and this is bringing our country down.

I think what Trump says publicly is relevant to the degree that he never takes reasonability for anything negative, ever.

He claimed ignorance on this topic, which was either a lie or shows deep dysfunction within his team.

When the heat was turned up on the fact that we are sending people to outsourced concentration camps in El Salvador without due process, Trump lied, said he didn't sign the order (he did) and tried to blame it on Rubio.

This is the pattern with Trump and represents a total lack of leadership from the guy who is supposed to be leading the country.

 

[litedawg1968]

It was a screw up that should have never happened.

 

[zingerdawg]

I know this is a waste of time, but I have never been a member of any political party so I don't give a shit about the approval ratings (I don't recall posting about them). We both said we wanted new candidates, but you seem to be in favor of what Trump is doing - which is fine with me. Reading your last paragraph sure sounds like you are hung up on ratings.

I could post every day about something Trump has done, but have posted little because we can wait and see(but it is mostly one questionable thing after another). But this incident is important regardless of what some are saying. How Trump handled it today is negative and Hegseth's suitability for the job is certainly in question. We'll see what comes of this.

You make it sound like it was my responsibility to post about Biden. Not my job. Besides everything bad got posted over and over again. And you need to stop living in the past.

You wouldn’t look like you were in a party if you didn’t run in here to incessantly post negatively about Trump. Or run to like every single post someone posts against Trump. Celtic if you dont think you are a liberal I don’t get it. I guess it is so bad you don’t support them either, but you certainly never go against the party. lol. Is it that embarrassing to admit you are a lefty. If there is a post disagreeing with me, I dont think you can run here fast enough to like it. Whether it is about trump or not. I have always given you a pass due to our history. You sure don’t do the same.



I sure hope it isn’t your job. Why are you acting like it is mine to give trump grief when he goes off the rails. Or everyone else should take it so much more seriously when he screws up. You just said in your post I could post something that trump does wrong every day. Yet, Mr Newly independent couldn’t do the same with Biden. I am sure you want to move on from what just ended a few months ago. It was completely embarrassing that you voted for and supported it. Sorry man. Not going to give you a pass. You voted for a vegetable. 18 percent isn’t the past Celtic. That is today. You may not like admitting you are a part of that. Never seen any evidence to the contrary. Hell I respected you more for never denying it. Now you I guess are just like several others. Your only agenda is trump hating.

 

[magnolia93ugagrad]

 

[-lowcountrydawg]

It was a screw up that should have never happened.

Correct. Figure out what happened and respond accordingly. Own up to it. No excuses.

Glad terrorists were killed and we finally are deterring bad guys from phucking up Euro and American shipping lanes.

Onward.

 

[willdup]

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The gaslighting here is amazing. Dates, times, targets and weapons systems were all shared via the Signal chat. Hegseth even shared the names of human targets.

Half the people on that thread don't need access to that information under any circumstances, much less via a commercial messaging app.

Steve Witcoff was actually in Moscow meeting with Russia on Ukraine the day of this text exchange. That seems problematic.

The larger point here is that Hegseth was obviously unqualified when nominated by Trump for what is arguably the second most serious job in DC after POTUS. The error itself and his response to it further proves that he is a political hack who lacks the temperament for the job. But given blind loyalty is the only qualification that matters, I'm sure there will be no repercussions.

 

[Dirty Hairy Dawg]

So clips of a number of the participants in the recent security breach complaining about mishandling government information isn’t relevant? Seems highly relevant.

Well, one was a screw up and to this point has not been covered up and subpoenaed docs and equipment haven't been altered or destroyed. The other was a conscious effort to evade security protocols that lasted for months, included subpoenaed emails being deleted and scrubbed, (like with a cloth) government property being altered and destroyed and lies told to the FBI.

So yeah, it's similar in that confidential info was handled poorly but the scope, severity and attempt to cover up in order to avoid personal sanctions...not so much.

 

[willdup]

Well, one was a screw up and to this point has not been covered up and subpoenaed docs and equipment haven't been altered or destroyed. The other was a conscious effort to evade security protocols that lasted for months, included subpoenaed emails being deleted and scrubbed, (like with a cloth) government property being altered and destroyed and lies told to the FBI.

So yeah, it's similar in that confidential info was handled poorly but the scope, severity and attempt to cover up in order to avoid personal sanctions...not so much.

Those are great GOP talking points.

The reality is that multiple investigations found:

• prior SOSs had used personal email accounts.
• no clear evidence of intentional obstruction of justice.
• no clear evidence of intentional mishandling of classified information with malicious intent.
• the deletion of emails using BleachBit was standard digital scrubbing practice and there was no evidence of an effort to hide specific emails.
• multiple investigations determined that criminal charges were not warranted.

Perhaps most relevant, with almost all of the emails that were determined to include classified information, the information was not identified as such at the time Clinton and her team used the personal email server. There was never a single piece of information identified that was comparable to the detailed war plans on the Signal/Houthis chat that was recently exposed.

 

[jlstone412]

Well, one was a screw up and to this point has not been covered up and subpoenaed docs and equipment haven't been altered or destroyed. The other was a conscious effort to evade security protocols that lasted for months, included subpoenaed emails being deleted and scrubbed, (like with a cloth) government property being altered and destroyed and lies told to the FBI.

So yeah, it's similar in that confidential info was handled poorly but the scope, severity and attempt to cover up in order to avoid personal sanctions...not so much.

Disseminating "war plans", or even discussing sensitive intel on an unauthorized messaging service, cannot be classified as a "screw up". I'm sorry. Not when we have been told "adults are in the room" and the participants HAMMERED Dems for similar actions. This is a fireable offense. No second chances.

You want context for how this should be handled? If this was fall 2024 and a member of trump's campaign inadvertently added a journalist to a text chain and another shared inside information about the trump campaign, and that journalist then wrote an extensive article about what was shared, answer this question:

Would those people be fired immediately by the trump campaign? (The answer is yes)

These actions put our families at risk. Pete doesn't deserve the opportunity to continue to serve as SecDef.

This is one of those issues and positions where you don't get multiple strikes. I don't trust him to not make the same mistake again (and willing to bet he's distributed information in a similar fashion on other plans).

 

[magnolia93ugagrad]

Disseminating "war plans", or even discussing sensitive intel on an unauthorized messaging service, cannot be classified as a "screw up". I'm sorry. Not when we have been told "adults are in the room" and the participants HAMMERED Dems for similar actions. This is a fireable offense. No second chances.

You want context for how this should be handled? If this was fall 2024 and a member of trump's campaign inadvertently added a journalist to a text chain and another shared inside information about the trump campaign, and that journalist then wrote an extensive article about what was shared, answer this question:

Would those people be fired immediately by the trump campaign? (The answer is yes)

These actions put our families at risk. Pete doesn't deserve the opportunity to continue to serve as SecDef.

This is one of those issues and positions where you don't get multiple strikes. I don't trust him to not make the same mistake again (and willing to bet he's distributed information in a similar fashion on other plans).

I also wonder if this was an ongoing thing on signal. A sort of way to not document conversations.