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Disseminating "war plans", or even discussing sensitive intel on an unauthorized messaging service, cannot be classified as a "screw up". I'm sorry. Not when we have been told "adults are in the room" and the participants HAMMERED Dems for similar actions. This is a fireable offense. No second chances.

You want context for how this should be handled? If this was fall 2024 and a member of trump's campaign inadvertently added a journalist to a text chain and another shared inside information about the trump campaign, and that journalist then wrote an extensive article about what was shared, answer this question:

Would those people be fired immediately by the trump campaign? (The answer is yes)

These actions put our families at risk. Pete doesn't deserve the opportunity to continue to serve as SecDef.

This is one of those issues and positions where you don't get multiple strikes. I don't trust him to not make the same mistake again (and willing to bet he's distributed information in a similar fashion on other plans).
Who could have known that Hegseth might not be a great choice for SOD? Well, just about everyone. He doesn't have a single professional achievement that would make him a viable candidate. But that's not all.

After fielding multiple questions during his confirmation about reported issues with drinking, he promised he would stop drinking if confirmed. He then proceeded to hit his cocktail multiple times during his first NATO press conference. He didn't even bother to hide it.

 
Who could have known that Hegseth might not be a great choice for SOD? Well, just about everyone. He doesn't have a single professional achievement that would make him a viable candidate. But that's not all.

After fielding multiple questions during his confirmation about reported issues with drinking, he promised he would stop drinking if confirmed. He then proceeded to hit his cocktail multiple times during his first NATO press conference. He didn't even bother to hide it.

So just some rando loser on X assumes that it was an alcoholic beverage and not water? I understand that you guys are desperate for anything to distract from how badly the country hates the Dems, but this is hilarious.
 
So just some rando loser on X assumes that it was an alcoholic beverage and not water? I understand that you guys are desperate for anything to distract from how badly the country hates the Dems, but this is hilarious.
Did you watch the video? It's brown liquid in a lowball glass. Could it be ginger ale? I guess, but given the many, many reports of Hegseth having an issue with alcohol, its entirely fair to question what looks to the rest of the world like a cocktail.

Regardless, he is still woefully unqualified for the job of SOD, which was already obvious, but he further proved with this affair.
 
Did you watch the video? It's brown liquid in a lowball glass. Could it be ginger ale? I guess, but given the many, many reports of Hegseth having an issue with alcohol, its entirely fair to question what looks to the rest of the world like a cocktail.

Regardless, he is still woefully unqualified for the job of SOD, which was already obvious, but he further proved with this affair.
Your TDS is so absurd its really hard to quantify.

That drink could be coffee, tea , sports drink , literally anything. Not sure if youre familiar with alcoholics, I am. They do not drink in public. They hide their drinking. The fact that you and the rest of you think this man would actually drink at a press conference is staggering and it makes everything you say hard to be taken seriously.
 
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Those are great GOP talking points.

The reality is that multiple investigations found:
  • prior SOSs had used personal email accounts.
  • no clear evidence of intentional obstruction of justice.
  • no clear evidence of intentional mishandling of classified information with malicious intent.
  • the deletion of emails using BleachBit was standard digital scrubbing practice and there was no evidence of an effort to hide specific emails.
  • multiple investigations determined that criminal charges were not warranted.
Perhaps most relevant, with almost all of the emails that were determined to include classified information, the information was not identified as such at the time Clinton and her team used the personal email server. There was never a single piece of information identified that was comparable to the detailed war plans on the Signal/Houthis chat that was recently exposed.
Not even worth debating. In what world is scrubbing a server with subpoenaed content common place and smashing government owned blackberries not malicious intent?

This group screwed up and firings may be warranted but at this point it appears to be recklessness instead of an intentional and ongoing action with criminal intent. I hope the event is investigated, the issues corrected and anyone that acted with criminal intent is prosecuted unlike the attempts at whitewashing Hillary's and other club member's behavior.
 
Not even worth debating. In what world is scrubbing a server with subpoenaed content common place and smashing government owned blackberries not malicious intent?

This group screwed up and firings may be warranted but at this point it appears to be recklessness instead of an intentional and ongoing action with criminal intent. I hope the event is investigated, the issues corrected and anyone that acted with criminal intent is prosecuted unlike the attempts at whitewashing Hillary's and other club member's behavior.
Given your characterization, it's quite something that the Trump DOJ never even charged anyone, much less successfully prosecuted anyone associated with the Clinton email scandal.

Just as with 2020 voter fraud claims, it's funny how many GOP accusations wilt to nothing when it's time to prove them in court.
 
At his press conference today Trump said he had no knowledge of what happened ("the leak"). If that's the truth I can't believe his staff hadn't informed him about it and just sent him out there. They certainly had to know about it or should have. Speaking of the truth - how could 18 top people not know they weren't using something secure to discuss something that was very sensitive information. And Hegseth said to the press that "nobody was texting war plans". Sure sounds like it. The investigations could be interesting.

The alternative is that Trump knew of the leak (he should have in some fashion) and lied about it. Wouldn't be the first time. Instead of saying something like I'll have to look into it or we'll have to look into it, he says he's not a big fan of the Atlantic and to him it's a magazine that's going out of business. Typical deflection by Trump (or as we say on the Vent that's a 0/10).

So what's the truth?

Are you really expecting a politician to just walk out and level with everyone? Dem, Rep, whatever, they aren’t going to give away the secret.

I hope they figure out what happened and prevent it from happening again and quite confident they will, but it is funny watching lefties make a big deal over this when we saw TONS of illegal leaks to the press under Biden, not to mention him handing over 80 something billion military equipment to the enemy in Afghanistan.
 
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I know this is a waste of time, but I have never been a member of any political party so I don't give a shit about the approval ratings (I don't recall posting about them). We both said we wanted new candidates, but you seem to be in favor of what Trump is doing - which is fine with me. Reading your last paragraph sure sounds like you are hung up on ratings.

I could post every day about something Trump has done, but have posted little because we can wait and see(but it is mostly one questionable thing after another). But this incident is important regardless of what some are saying. How Trump handled it today is negative and Hegseth's suitability for the job is certainly in question. We'll see what comes of this.

You make it sound like it was my responsibility to post about Biden. Not my job. Besides everything bad got posted over and over again. And you need to stop living in the past.
Let’s compare that to Biden leaving $7.2 Billion in equipment in Afghanistan. . .

 
Are you really expecting a politician to just walk out and level with everyone? Dem, Rep, whatever, they aren’t going to give away the secret.

I hope they figure out what happened and prevent it from happening again and quite confident they will, but it is funny watching lefties make a big deal over this when we saw TONS of illegal leaks to the press under Biden, not to mention him handing over 80 something billion military equipment to the enemy in Afghanistan.
Are you serious? I expect the President to be honest in dealing with the public. The truth will hopefully come out. When they are running for office, I don't count on the truth. We're not talking about secrets here so I don't understand the comment.

What are you saying? That Trump doesn't have to be better than Biden? Afghanistan? Can't you deal with current reality and this incompetence. You're confident they will prevent it from happening again. Enjoy La-la land.
 
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Are you serious? I expect the President to be honest in dealing with the public. The truth will hopefully come out. When they are running for office, I don't count on the truth. We're not talking about secrets here so I don't understand the comment.

What are you saying? That Trump doesn't have to be better than Biden? Afghanistan? Can't you deal with current reality and this incompetence. You're confident they will prevent it from happening again. Enjoy La-la land.
Squeal pigs 🐖 squeal!!!
 
and I remember when Obama wearing a tan suit made Hannity and the pubs go nuts for 2 weeks...
 
Are you serious? I expect the President to be honest in dealing with the public. The truth will hopefully come out. When they are running for office, I don't count on the truth. We're not talking about secrets here so I don't understand the comment.

What are you saying? That Trump doesn't have to be better than Biden? Afghanistan? Can't you deal with current reality and this incompetence. You're confident they will prevent it from happening again. Enjoy La-la land.

But you were okay with biden’s lies right?

You expecting any president to share every detail of what you want to know is like expecting Kirby smart to expand and be totally 100% forthcoming on his plans for the next opponent. Just because someone doesn’t share everything they know, doesn’t mean it’s a lie.

They have identified what happened and who was responsible. It wasn’t intentional and I’m sure waltz won’t let it happen again. People make mistakes and learn from them. Yes this was a big mistake but I didn’t see you bitching when Biden purposely made huge decisions (major purposeful mistakes) that threatened our country.

But go ahead and try to turn this into watergate. Your fake outrage is intoxicating for us.
 
At his press conference today Trump said he had no knowledge of what happened ("the leak"). If that's the truth I can't believe his staff hadn't informed him about it and just sent him out there. They certainly had to know about it or should have. Speaking of the truth - how could 18 top people not know they weren't using something secure to discuss something that was very sensitive information. And Hegseth said to the press that "nobody was texting war plans". Sure sounds like it. The investigations could be interesting.

The alternative is that Trump knew of the leak (he should have in some fashion) and lied about it. Wouldn't be the first time. Instead of saying something like I'll have to look into it or we'll have to look into it, he says he's not a big fan of the Atlantic and to him it's a magazine that's going out of business. Typical deflection by Trump (or as we say on the Vent that's a 0/10).

So what's the truth?

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Investigation is needed. Drag them to capitol hill. If this admin is running around using unauthorized communication methods, they are no better than the Dems they chastised.
shut up.
the only reason to reply is....



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Correct. Figure out what happened and respond accordingly. Own up to it. No excuses.

Glad terrorists were killed and we finally are deterring bad guys from phucking up Euro and American shipping lanes.

Onward.
It was a major screw up. Not a professional look at all, and someone needs to be held accountable.

But it will be forgotten soon; because unlike the Afghanistan botched withdrawl the mission was a success, no Americans were killed, the terrorists got died, and there are no shameful pics like the poor Afghan's clinging the outside of a C-130 as it's taking off.
 
At his press conference today Trump said he had no knowledge of what happened ("the leak"). If that's the truth I can't believe his staff hadn't informed him about it and just sent him out there. They certainly had to know about it or should have. Speaking of the truth - how could 18 top people not know they weren't using something secure to discuss something that was very sensitive information. And Hegseth said to the press that "nobody was texting war plans". Sure sounds like it. The investigations could be interesting.

The alternative is that Trump knew of the leak (he should have in some fashion) and lied about it. Wouldn't be the first time. Instead of saying something like I'll have to look into it or we'll have to look into it, he says he's not a big fan of the Atlantic and to him it's a magazine that's going out of business. Typical deflection by Trump (or as we say on the Vent that's a 0/10).

So what's the truth?
You are so mad, man.
On a scale of 1-10, how much sleep did you get after Kamelo lost?
come on corky
 
But you were okay with biden’s lies right?

You expecting any president to share every detail of what you want to know is like expecting Kirby smart to expand and be totally 100% forthcoming on his plans for the next opponent. Just because someone doesn’t share everything they know, doesn’t mean it’s a lie.

They have identified what happened and who was responsible. It wasn’t intentional and I’m sure waltz won’t let it happen again. People make mistakes and learn from them. Yes this was a big mistake but I didn’t see you bitching when Biden purposely made huge decisions (major purposeful mistakes) that threatened our country.

But go ahead and try to turn this into watergate. Your fake outrage is intoxicating for us.
This has nothing to do with Biden, but that continues to be the response when you have trouble dealing with what Trump does. Of course I don't expect the President to share everything they know - some details are classified. But we're talking about Trump lying and saying he didn't know about the report - it's worse if that is the truth and he doesn't know what is going on (not that it would surprise me). It would seem you believe Trump lied because you brought up Biden lying.

Unintentional is not an excuse for being incompetent and that's an important question as there is a lack of experience in some of these people. Waltz can't control all these people so it's not up to him that something similar won't happen again. And back to Biden again - which is still irrelevant. Watergate? I have no idea where that came from. I started this off asking what was the truth, but you turn it into "fake outrage" whatever that is.
 
Thank God they didn’t get his project 2025 text chain thread or his texts listing demands from Putin
 
This has nothing to do with Biden, but that continues to be the response when you have trouble dealing with what Trump does. Of course I don't expect the President to share everything they know - some details are classified. But we're talking about Trump lying and saying he didn't know about the report - it's worse if that is the truth and he doesn't know what is going on (not that it would surprise me). It would seem you believe Trump lied because you brought up Biden lying.

Unintentional is not an excuse for being incompetent and that's an important question as there is a lack of experience in some of these people. Waltz can't control all these people so it's not up to him that something similar won't happen again. And back to Biden again - which is still irrelevant. Watergate? I have no idea where that came from. I started this off asking what was the truth, but you turn it into "fake outrage" whatever that is.

Nothing to do with Biden other than putting all the lefty hypocrisy on full display. Maybe trump didn’t give a shit about knowing about the report because he had more important things to deal with. Maybe it didn’t top his priority list that day. Maybe it takes time to figure these things out and he doesn’t want to comment until he has the facts.

Biden lied, every politician does every day of their lives. Biden lied about shitting his pants, I don’t blame him. He also lied about receiving money from the Chinese. He lied about Covid vaccines and people were harmed, sometimes killed. There’s a difference.

What kills me is how the people that hate trump have totally whiffed on a few things his administration has done that are unfathomably stupid, and get hung up on correctible mistakes like this that have zero consequences. You guys need to pay attention.
 
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Nothing to do with Biden other than putting all the lefty hypocrisy on full display. Maybe trump didn’t give a shit about knowing about the report because he had more important things to deal with. Maybe it didn’t top his priority list that day. Maybe it takes time to figure these things out and he doesn’t want to comment until he has the facts.

Biden lied, every politician does every day of their lives. Biden lied about shitting his pants, I don’t blame him. He also lied about receiving money from the Chinese. He lied about Covid vaccines and people were harmed, sometimes killed. There’s a difference.

What kills me is how the people that hate trump have totally whiffed on a few things his administration has done that are unfathomably stupid, and get hung up on correctible mistakes like this that have zero consequences. You guys need to pay attention.
Your outlook demonstrates how far some will go to defend Trump. You just won't discuss the actual issues.

Didn't give a shit about knowing about the report. That's your answer? This shouldn't have happened and he should have been concerned. What was a higher priority that day?

But the funniest thing you said is maybe he doesn't want to comment until he has the facts. We're talking about Trump here. Do you remember the crash in DC when Trump immediately told us he knew what happened? He is quick to open his mouth all the time.

Goodbye and maybe give more thought to what you write next time.
 
You wouldn’t look like you were in a party if you didn’t run in here to incessantly post negatively about Trump. Or run to like every single post someone posts against Trump. Celtic if you dont think you are a liberal I don’t get it. I guess it is so bad you don’t support them either, but you certainly never go against the party. lol. Is it that embarrassing to admit you are a lefty. If there is a post disagreeing with me, I dont think you can run here fast enough to like it. Whether it is about trump or not. I have always given you a pass due to our history. You sure don’t do the same.



I sure hope it isn’t your job. Why are you acting like it is mine to give trump grief when he goes off the rails. Or everyone else should take it so much more seriously when he screws up. You just said in your post I could post something that trump does wrong every day. Yet, Mr Newly independent couldn’t do the same with Biden. I am sure you want to move on from what just ended a few months ago. It was completely embarrassing that you voted for and supported it. Sorry man. Not going to give you a pass. You voted for a vegetable. 18 percent isn’t the past Celtic. That is today. You may not like admitting you are a part of that. Never seen any evidence to the contrary. Hell I respected you more for never denying it. Now you I guess are just like several others. Your only agenda is trump hating.
I'm not going to change what you continue to post, but here's some comments before I end this exchange.

If we didn't have our relationship I would be attacking you directly a lot more, but you do get a pass. Yes I have liked some posts to quietly show my disagreement with what you might have posted.

Yes, it seems like I could post about Trump everyday the way he has been going, but have started very few threads. If I agree with a post then it's very likely I will give it a like. Isn't that what we're supposed to do? I don't go for labels but can't stop others.

I am not sorry I voted against Trump. I didn't think he should have been reelected in 2020. I was very concerned about him becoming President again fearing the worst. He has been in office a very short time and, in total, it's been a disaster. Right now nothing gives me hope that he will change. He is trying to grab all the power he can whether it's legal or not. Today it's trying to change voting rules which he doesn't have the right to do. I have no problem with requiring citizenship, but he just wants to make it harder for people to vote which shouldn't be a goal. Not enough people vote and more should be encouraged to do so.
 
Did you watch the video? It's brown liquid in a lowball glass. Could it be ginger ale? I guess, but given the many, many reports of Hegseth having an issue with alcohol, its entirely fair to question what looks to the rest of the world like a cocktail.

Regardless, he is still woefully unqualified for the job of SOD, which was already obvious, but he further proved with this affair.


talk to me
 
Your outlook demonstrates how far some will go to defend Trump. You just won't discuss the actual issues.

Didn't give a shit about knowing about the report. That's your answer? This shouldn't have happened and he should have been concerned. What was a higher priority that day?

But the funniest thing you said is maybe he doesn't want to comment until he has the facts. We're talking about Trump here. Do you remember the crash in DC when Trump immediately told us he knew what happened? He is quick to open his mouth all the time.

Goodbye and maybe give more thought to what you write next time.

First of all I take this into consideration. This reporter hates trump and takes every opportunity attack him. Why would this MFer even be on the trump team’s list of
People To contact for anything. That makes no sense to me and makes me wonder if something more underhanded was involved. Time will tell. I haven’t jumped to any conclusions yet.

The admin has stated that there was
Nothing important in the text thread and that’s prob why trump didn’t GAS.

Now, I still don’t see how a journalist who
Hates trump so bad and has pushed false, scandalous, libelous claims against this president like the Russia hoax could
Gain access to this text or mailing list without some sort underhanded actions on someone’s part. That doesn’t add up to me and what you call “covering for trump” is me seeing a pattern that doesn’t fit.

My prediction is that this will be a big nothing and if anything, I bet some nefarious actor was
Responsible. Of course it could be a legitimate a stupid mistake. We will see

And again, although I am in overall agreement with trumps policies and think he’s doing very well, I’m giving every opportunity to discuss the things that trumps team has really fvcked up and you haven’t taken up the gauntlet
 
I'm not going to change what you continue to post, but here's some comments before I end this exchange.

If we didn't have our relationship I would be attacking you directly a lot more, but you do get a pass. Yes I have liked some posts to quietly show my disagreement with what you might have posted.

Yes, it seems like I could post about Trump everyday the way he has been going, but have started very few threads. If I agree with a post then it's very likely I will give it a like. Isn't that what we're supposed to do? I don't go for labels but can't stop others.

I am not sorry I voted against Trump. I didn't think he should have been reelected in 2020. I was very concerned about him becoming President again fearing the worst. He has been in office a very short time and, in total, it's been a disaster. Right now nothing gives me hope that he will change. He is trying to grab all the power he can whether it's legal or not. Today it's trying to change voting rules which he doesn't have the right to do. I have no problem with requiring citizenship, but he just wants to make it harder for people to vote which shouldn't be a goal. Not enough people vote and more should be encouraged to do so.
It hasn’t been a disaster. He has done more in two months than Biden did in four years. Would I like him to slow it down some. Sure. But that isn’t him. He is working. He answered questions to the press. You think Biden sits down and answers questions about this security breach the day after. No. Your opinion on this is so off base it is hilarious. So I guess you liked napping, not knowing where the fvck you are daily Biden better than someone who is out there front and center. Trying to make things better. The sad thing about the breach is people over seas were applauding. Finally someone didn’t bend over and keep taking it like your boy. How many more Americans had to be killed just doing a shipping job.

Voting is easier than it has ever been in this country. The act of voting should be easy. That is our only point of agreement. The fact that you dont find the right to vote a privilege is your biggest problem. You were ok with people costing us billions rolling across the border. Killing Americans. Why was the border unguarded? So your group could buy more votes. You gave them billions and put them up in hotels. So much so governors who were democrats begged him to stop. And don’t act like it wasn’t to buy votes. That narrative is exactly what it was about. I have asked every left on this board why. No one can give an answer. The right to vote should not be given to everyone. It should be a privilege to vote and be a citizen. When it changes and becomes something different you get what California has become. If that is what you want, go move out there Celtic. The minute you go into their state you can vote. They are headed to an unheard of tax rate soon enough. Have at it.
 
Nothing to do with Biden other than putting all the lefty hypocrisy on full display. Maybe trump didn’t give a shit about knowing about the report because he had more important things to deal with. Maybe it didn’t top his priority list that day. Maybe it takes time to figure these things out and he doesn’t want to comment until he has the facts.

Biden lied, every politician does every day of their lives. Biden lied about shitting his pants, I don’t blame him. He also lied about receiving money from the Chinese. He lied about Covid vaccines and people were harmed, sometimes killed. There’s a difference.

What kills me is how the people that hate trump have totally whiffed on a few things his administration has done that are unfathomably stupid, and get hung up on correctible mistakes like this that have zero consequences. You guys need to pay attention.
Trump said yesterday that they made a mistake and that they are straightening it out. Director of national security is investigating it.
 
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