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So the tariff thing

If tariffs are so bad, how come the EU, Canada and other countries make it hard for us to sell our goods there but we let them off the hook here. And yet their economies are just fine. Why is it only good for them to do these things.
Unfortunately we have a president that is way in over his head; who does not give a shit about regular Americans; and is just so power hungry he just does whatever pops into that old mind of his. Voters for Trump are not going to get what they thought they were getting relating to the economy. They get their white supremacy prioirties, chaotic deportation polices with no due process, their racist priorities, but they are going to get hurt in the pocket book and at the grocery store and main street. Sick and sad. We need this nightmare to end sooner than later.

Where is….

the bottom before you all sell?? Assuming you all have at least two nickels to rub together and are investing them both.
If you believe these tariffs are a starting point for negotiation with a fair outcome......right now is a great buying opportunity.

If you believe Trump will keep these in place no matter what......I would buy US treasuries right now. Or go to cash. Because these tariffs are not doable.

Dow industrials plummet more than 1,500 points; Nasdaq slides 5%, S&P tumbles 4%

Not sure where "DOGE" is getting their news... Canada just stated not long ago the will respond to the new tariffs with 'with purpose and with force' ... and the Senate voted last night to undo the tariffs on Canada... so it appears you took the bait again there, killer. It actually the US is leading the charge on removing Trump's tariffs on Canada and are blinking first... not the other way around.

So much winning!!
You do know the Senate vote carried no weight and the Tariffs on Canda are still in effect. the US may blink, but they have NOT at this point. Who knows where this is headed, I would have taken a more measured approach and went country by country or a group at the time. I don't mind going after Canda at all, just not sure i would have slapped them around first. It would be a big deal if Trump wins on some of these tariffs for the US Business and Workers. We'll see where it lands, certainly risky............

2.1 million illegal aliens

Well you can choose to be a jackass OR read what he said: "I’m all ears for some proof of illegals voting"...which is exactly what I provided.

You might also acknowledge that more is likely happening beyond what has been proven and brought to court.

...or you can choose snark and demonstrate (again) your cognitive dissonance. Your choice, counselor.

Arrogance is a poor look...even if it's your preferred attire.
That doesn’t take into account all of the fake ballots that were counted.

So the tariff thing

That’s fair.

Most of my clients are manufacturers and I’ve been worried about these tariffs since Trump started banging that drum. If he is as serious about them as it seems, it’s going to make for a very tough economy.


it’s very difficult to calculate given how the tariffs are being implemented, but early estimates are that this will be 10x what he implemented in his first term.


It’s inexplicable to such a degree that it leads to a conclusion of either rank stupidity or a very intentional effort to slam the breaks on the global economy and throw us into recession. As to why they would want to do that? I’ll leave that to others to decide for themselves.
If the announced tariffs stayed put, I think that's exactly what would happen. I don't think they will. This is a starting point for negotiation....an admittedly unrealistically high starting point, with questionable logic / calculation on how we get there.....but I guess it doesn't matter how it is calculated if you are just negotiating an unrealistically high number.

As a negotiating tactic, starting high and even being unpredictable / chaotic can be effective. I think he's taking too much risk in the way he is rolling these out. A panic selloff can lead to breaking things you didn't want to break.......that's a lot to risk if this is simply a way to negotiate.

If he truly is intent on keeping these tariffs in place for the pipe dream of effectively moving all manufacturing to the US......I will be standing with you Will with my get Trump pitchfork out. Because that would trigger a reallly bad economic situation. That won't happen.....but the market has to price at least a chance of that happening....and that is the risk in the way this has all rolled out.

As a commercial real estate dude, I'm digging the lower rates.....but not at the expense of the economy. The REITs are about flat....when typically they pop on this kind of interest rate drop.

In and of itself, I'm not bothered by the stock market taking a short term hit on tariff headlines.........so long as the ultimate destination is a good outcome in trade, and tariff certainty at a very reasonable level, where both the US and foreign partners can profit. If the ultimate destination on tariffs is where we are now........I have a big problem with it. As we all should.

The most reasurring commentary I've seen was from Mnuchin in his interview this morning. You can tell he knows these tariffs are not doable at this level. An unrealistically high starting point for negotiation.
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Congrats

Irony is both were Dems

Your position is that a black Senator from New Jersey, who spoke in defiance of Mr. Trump's administration is apart of the same Democratic Party as a well known racist and segregationist, who wanted to keep calling Blacks "Boy" and continue Jim Crow era laws....

These two people are apart of the same party?

You know that this is 100% inaccurate.
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So the tariff thing

That’s all well and great, but to do so makes us a poorer country. Raising prices to ‘hopefully’ bring back manufacturing jobs doesn’t make us better off. Adding t-shirt manufacturing while increasing the price of everything we buy is just stupid. 50% of imports are used by existing manufacturers. The tariffs will hit them hard and make them less competitive globally. They are going to lay off workers…US manufacturing will shrink further in the coming years.
Its possible. But go look at the list of companies investing billions in American manufacturing. The list is too long for me to type.
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Dow industrials plummet more than 1,500 points; Nasdaq slides 5%, S&P tumbles 4%

I guess you also gave up after the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor. Clearly you are a financial savant who worries about your investments on an hourly basis. I was in the market in 2007-8 and in 2000 as well and didn't sell either time. I was in school in 1987 and if 1987 was now, you would be suicidal. This IS a hiccup and temporary.

Stick to your election night predictions.
Ok, boomer
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