I thought he had admitted himself in the Trump Derangement institution for mental disorders.
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I like all that. Do you plan on negotiating this by calling Putin a pos, war mongering savage in the media. Threaten him with force and tell him he is at fault for everything. I think some diplomacy is needed. I 100 percent agree with you that Putin needs to be threatened behind closed doors. Deviate from this deal and it won’t be pretty. My question was how do you get Putin to the table to agree with it. Without putting us on the brink of ww3
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The Dems and Republicans were getting kickbacks from what they sent Ukraine that’s the reason Biden was sending them so much money.
Sign me up. Sounds good to me. I would imagine this is what they are hashing out right now.
US Military complex - Deep State would benefit as Ukraine would have to retool military equipment to meet NATO standards. Pres Z was installed by Obama & USAID. It was a no lose for Deep State - Putin invading & US providing an endless supply of weapons is a perfect - endless war for Dem’s & Deep State. This is all well documented - Z was/is the Dem’s puppet.
We have a long history in this country of Americans dying in combat because we tried to appease an enemy. We should be providing maximum support to Ukraine, Israel, Taiwan etc to kill as many of our enemy as can possibly be done.
George S. Patton: ‘The object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other bastard die for his.’
Zinger, I think that when a Republican congressman from Nebraska is directly calling out a Republican POTUS for being a lying propagandist for Russia, its safe to say we have a problem that exceeds partisan disagreement.
Do you recall in your life ever seeing something like this?
Edit: Seems the Europeans are making the exact same points.
Edit: A former general awarded the Medal of Freedom by Trump.
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None of this surprises me one bit. He isn’t and never will be a straight line pub. It is why Trump has won elections. Because people are so sick of the left and the right. He only identified as Republican because he had to before the 2016 election. A lot of People would just assume puke in their hand than have another establishment Democrat or pub run things. You defended Biden and Kamala with every breath. While they bent you over for four years.
How has Zelenskyy treated Trump over the years? Why would he trust him? I am not applauding or condemning any of this. I don’t like Russia or the Ukraine. They are both corrupt. The damn guy lost more than half the money we sent over there. Zelenskyy is a damn grifter, and Putin is a psychopath. There has been massive amounts of proven propaganda or lies produced from both Russia and the Ukraine. I hope Trump finds a way to screw both of them.
I remember living thru the Reagan yrs and Reagan was roundly criticized for being friendly with Gorbachev even though he was economically breaking Russia. I remember Reagan's opponents stating he was a dunce and would have his lunch eaten by Gorbachev. I don't remember Reagan being enamored with wars that could not be won and a leader of a corrupt country that was costing us billions to defend that couldn't account for the money.
Trump is looking for a deal and Zelensky isn't really crucial in making that deal. Without diplomacy this war will grind on and Russia will take Kiev. Zelensky's only real choice is to play ball with Trump because he can't survive without Trump's support.
Zelensky did not lose $100b. That’s more lies, which I don’t think you are spreading intentionally. I do think you are uninterested in the truth when it makes supporting Trump more challenging.
Where Is the Missing $100 Billion in U.S. Aid for Ukraine?
“I don’t know where all the money is"—CSIS expert Mark Cancian covers the facts behind Ukraine’s “missing” $100 billion.
www.csis.org
You should really think about your “whatabout”ing on this of all topics. If you can’t see the blindingly clear difference between the dictator and war criminal who murders his opposition and launched this war and the democratically elected government fighting to defend their sovereign territory, you’ve really lost your way.
Do you think Poland was a perfect country when the Nazis rolled in 1939? How about the UK, who still had colonial holdings across the globe at the beginning of WW2 and you could argue that colonial populations were treated as poorly as how the Jews were treated in Germany at the start of the war?
So I guess there were no good or bad countries in WW2 until we got involved, right? Hey, just don’t look at race relations and how poorly we treated blacks who fought in the war.
Try and say, just in this instance, that Trump is wrong to lie and that his shilling Russian propaganda while offering up not a single condemnation of the war criminal in Moscow is wrong. Everyone knows it is the truth and you might find it liberating.
Listen, we all know this war was started by Biden. He needed a reason to pay off his debts and for his sons blow.
This is true and important as to our next steps. We need Russia to pull away from China. China is the one we need to fear and that is why we need control of Panama. Trump is making the right moves though he was not given much to work with.
I think he is using what ever tactic he can to end the war. Sometimes there are no good countries in a war, sometimes there are both good and bad. Someone is in it for the right reasons. Pretty self explanatory. Big reveal in your post. No kidding, every country has their good and bad parts. And by the way, you couldn’t tell the difference from a fully functioning human and one who isn’t. So spare me that take. Please. I said Putin is a psychopath. 🤦♂️Zelensky did not lose $100b. That’s more lies, which I don’t think you are spreading intentionally. I do think you are uninterested in the truth when it makes supporting Trump more challenging.
Where Is the Missing $100 Billion in U.S. Aid for Ukraine?
“I don’t know where all the money is"—CSIS expert Mark Cancian covers the facts behind Ukraine’s “missing” $100 billion.www.csis.org
You should really think about your “whatabout”ing on this of all topics. If you can’t see the blindingly clear difference between the dictator and war criminal who murders his opposition and launched this war and the democratically elected government fighting to defend their sovereign territory, you’ve really lost your way.
Do you think Poland was a perfect country when the Nazis rolled in 1939? How about the UK, who still had colonial holdings across the globe at the beginning of WW2 and you could argue that colonial populations were treated as poorly as how the Jews were treated in Germany at the start of the war?
So I guess there were no good or bad countries in WW2 until we got involved, right? Hey, just don’t look at race relations and how poorly we treated blacks who fought in the war.
Try and say, just in this instance, that Trump is wrong to lie and that his shilling Russian propaganda while offering up not a single condemnation of the war criminal in Moscow is wrong. Everyone knows it is the truth and you might find it liberating.
That article looks like spin. Which I get. Either way Zelenskyy is a full blown idiot for saying what he said on camera. I don’t know where all the money is. Word for word.
It would be nice if you read my entire post and not focus on one thing. I have said I don’t care for either Russia or the Ukraine. The war just needs to end. Those two aren’t going to negotiate to end it. Ukraine would stab us in the back in two seconds to benefit them. Same with Russia. They aren’t an ally. I guess In your eyes I am wrong for not saying Russia is the only bad guy here. I don’t see it that way. I don’t like war period. I don’t support what Trump is saying, but I have a feeling it is for effect. And a way to bring both sides to the table. You want to continue to be an all day sucker for Zelenskyy be my guest. Biden is cogent right?
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History tells us that ending a conflict with a murderous dictator through appeasement tends to provide a temporary reprieve at best.
If you think the comparison is extreme, perhaps the thirty eight journalists in Russia who have been murdered since Putin took power would have thoughts to share.
Maybe check in on the 20,000 or so children estimated to have been forcibly taken from their families in Ukraine and rehomed with Russian families.
Alexi Navalny would have thoughts, if he hadn’t been murdered while being wrongly held in a Russian prison.
Maybe look into the Bucha massacre, where hundreds of civilians were executed in the streets, many with their hands tied behind their backs. Some were tortured before being killed. Or the intentional targeting of a maternity hospital and a theatre known to be housing civilians.
I could go on, but it’s too depressing.
You should study Neville Chamberlain. I bet he would have thoughts to share today on what happens when you appease a dictator.
I am aware of history. His history and others. He is a terrible leader and human being. Since we are speculating about what could happen. And speculating the very worst possible outcome. I will speculate some.
The man is 72 years old. He has been in his position longer than anyone in Russia’s recent history I believe. He has survived a few rebellions. One in 2023. I wonder how much longer he will be in charge over there. I would be willing to bet less than 5 years easy.
"You should study Neville Chamberlain. I bet he would have thoughts to share today on what happens when you appease a dictator."
Neville Chamberlain is a great analogy in talking about Putin, Kim Jong Un, Xi Jinping, and all the radical muslim terrorists. I may be more hardcore than most, but I am always pleased when my tax dollars can be used to weaken these enemies in any way possible including wiping them out.
Saying that Ukraine started it and Zelenskyy is a dictator are just stupid and wrong. Nothing new here.
I guess Trump thinks Putin is cool or something? He’s a literal war criminal who would kill Trump if he thought he could get away with it. And Trump just slurps this guy up. I have no idea why.
You mean ben sasse? He's a clown. Guess he brought the swamp mentality to gainesville. He resigned.
In his 17-month stint as UF president, Ben Sasse more than tripled his office’s spending, directing millions in university funds into secretive consulting contracts and high-paying positions for his GOP allies.
Sasse ballooned spending under the president’s office to $17.3 million in his first year in office — up from $5.6 million in former UF President Kent Fuchs’ last year, according to publicly available administrative budget data.
A majority of the spending surge was driven by lucrative contracts with big-name consulting firms and high-salaried, remote positions for Sasse’s former U.S. Senate staff and Republican officials.
Sasse’s consulting contracts have been kept largely under wraps, leaving the public in the dark about what the contracted firms did to earn their fees. The university also declined to clarify specific duties carried out by Sasse’s ex-Senate staff, several of whom were salaried as presidential advisers.
Whole board for this:
Post in thread 'Russian invasion thread'
https://forums.rivals.com/threads/russian-invasion-thread.1059562/post-41114002
Jump in, water is fine!
Post in thread 'Russian invasion thread'
https://forums.rivals.com/threads/russian-invasion-thread.1059562/post-41114002
Jump in, water is fine!
Honest question. Do you believe Ukraine can defeat Russia and be a sovereign nation in whole without direct assistance that involves manpower from other countries (ie, the USA)?
I have never believed that could be possible. And putting men on the ground would essentially start another WW.
Ukraine is not united. The eastern 1/3 of the nation is pro-Russia. The initial conflict began by casually rolling Russian tanks into the eastern front bc they knew there would be little to no resistance.
If somehow Ukraine were rescued from Russia today there would likely be a civil conflict.
I’m not in favor of bending the knee to Russia. But they are in the position of strength. Not the US and not NATO.
Since you didn’t bother to read the thread before commenting on it, I’ll repost what I posted above.
Honest question. Do you believe that if we appease Putin and reward him for his invasion of Ukraine that he will stop there? What would you possibly base that belief on? We’ve seen this story before and murderous, expansionist dictators don’t just decide one day that they have enough. It never works that way.
The Russsin economy is 1/16th the US economy. They are a gas station with nukes. A unified west can absolutely punish Putin beyond his capacity to absorb it. So we can pay now, or pay later, and the cost for later is always more.
Putin is a creature of the Soviet Union, who above all things valued not being embarrassed on the world stage.
Seems to me that a business minded deal maker might see some opportunity in trading good actual outcomes (lives saved, economic + outcomes for Americans) in exchange for booosting the ego of one man…who happens to control hundreds of thousands of nukes.
It is the difference between academic and political / government thinking (aka the Biden puppet masters) and practical results oriented negotiaion.
Enjoy peace and prosperity.
That is exactly how people on trump’s behalf are explaining what is happening. If you can get away from the ridiculous speculation from the left. It is time for this war to end, and he is doing what is necessary to make it that way. Also, it isn’t just Trump here. Rubio is a big part of this. Doing good work to try to come to a resolution that makes sense for both sides and above all, ends a completely unnecessary war. That easily could be a precursor to ww3. Which I believe nobody really wants. Or they shouldn’t. Everyone on the left and right loved one cabinet hire. Rubio. He is completely onboard. He has never been a Trump sycophant either. You put it perfectly. Putting a deal together for peace and prosperity. If he has to take some shit in the process for how it happens, who cares.
It's time for this war to end if the aggressor is willing to take reasonability and make a deal that is fair and truly guarantees Ukrainian sovereignty in the future. That means more than just a Russian promise to not invade Ukraine a third time, which would be as meaningful as Hitler's promise to not invade the rest of Czechoslovakia after the Munich Peace Accord.
At a minimum, there should be European troops on the ground protecting Ukraine post settlement.
None of that is aided by the lies coming out of the Trump administration on the topic or our decision to side with Russia, North Korea, Hungary, Sudan and Belarus against the world in the recent UN vote. China, Iran and even Cuba all abstained from the vote.
Our Secretary of State is out there talking economic development agreements with Russia while we are sticking our finger in the eye of our European allies. The message to Putin is clear. Don't expect the US to hold you to account in any way.
France seemed really upset. Or did you miss that meeting with Trump. We are doing what has to be done to end this war. A war we aren’t going to support anymore. We have our own issues with a deficit here. The job is to end it. Russia isn’t going to end it without getting something out of the deal will. They just aren’t. And psycho narcissists to not react well to threats. Biden saying he should be removed went over real well right?
All of the sanctions proposed didn’t turn the Russian people. It gave them more resolve. When something isn’t working you have to try another way. If he can stop this war without our European allies having to get involved more than they are, I don’t think the ending will look as you say.
There are people out there being transparent. Telling you this is the strategy. And the means that they will use to get to the end. Yet you still don’t believe this. You seem to think he will jump right back into a war with other European nations. Guess what. If that is his plan, he is going to do it no matter what happens here. He has to regroup. But he also wants to save face. This gives him a chance to do that and fade out. He is 72 years old. He has survived several recent rebellions. You give Putin way too much credit. This was his last chance to rubber stamp his narcissistic, psychopathic legacy. You can speculate the same as me. I don’t see it. Not unless he feel threatened again. Next Democrat voted in all of this will start all over with the next Russian leader. IMO.
The UK Prime Minister sure seems to be happy Trump is in charge of negotiations and in his words "finally creating the possibility for peace." This is a UK PM who comes from effectively a different side of the aisle than Trump.
Looks to me like we are about to get a deal where US taxpayers reap the benefits of US paid workers mining Ukrainian rare earth, and if there are any boots on the ground keeping the peace, they will be European boots.
Would this be a bad outcome? Or should we send another $300B over there to "hopefully" decimate Putin's military, albeit at the cost of a thousand lives a week?
Deal isn't done....but if it is? That is effectively going from two of the nastiest wars in recent history....to effectively World Peace. In a month and a half?
But the tweets are offensive.
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If Trump helps orchestrate a good settlement, I’ll be happy. But I’ll remain skeptical until the ink is dry.
Fair enough. Honestly appreciate the allegiance to a good outcome notwithstanding opinions about the Prez
