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We need to go to a free market healthcare system

Hoffman_rg

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I favor market driven healthcare allowing competition and a reduction of govt regs to lower costs . I don’t think we have ever had a free market HC system unless it was back in the 50s.

If people were given a tax write off for their HC expenses and/or health insurance, more would buy their own policy, they could keep it when they leave said employer.

Everyone could be given tax free HSAs or HRAs so people would treat their healthcare expenses as they would other expenses. In Indiana, HSAs reduced healthcare costs by 11%. Add high-deductible low cost plans for catastrophic care and we have low cost insurance that protects people from bankruptcy caused by major expenses.

Competition could be introduced into the marketplace in various ways.

We could require pre-service price transparency from hospitals and doctors.

Competive bid systems could be developed across the board.

Of course policies should be sold across state lines.

Medicare Part D is a great example. It requires private insurance plans to submit bids giving the premium they will charge to provide covered drugs. The CBO estimated the cost would be 128B but actual cost came in at $55B and the actual costs have continued to be significantly less than the CBO prediction.

Now I realize that there are people who are very sick and/or can’t afford to buy any insurance even catastrophic. These people (maybe 10% of the people) should be put into a separate category and the govt would have responsibility for their care and leave insurance companies out. Everyone else would be in the private market system.
 
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I favor market driven healthcare allowing competition and a reduction of govt regs to lower costs . I don’t think we have ever had a free market HC system unless it was back in the 50s.

If people were given a tax write off for their HC expenses and/or health insurance, more would buy their own policy, they could keep it when they leave said employer.

Everyone could be given tax free HSAs or HRAs so people would treat their healthcare expenses as they would other expenses. In Indiana, HSAs reduced healthcare costs by 11%. Add high-deductible low cost plans for catastrophic care and we have low cost insurance that protects people from bankruptcy caused by major expenses.

Competition could be introduced into the marketplace in various ways.

We could require pre-service price transparency from hospitals and doctors.

Competive bid systems could be developed across the board.

Medicare Part D is a great example. It requires private insurance plans to submit bids giving the premium they will charge to provide covered drugs. The CBO estimated the cost would be 128B but actual cost came in at $55B and the actual costs have continued to be significantly less than the CBO prediction.

Now I realize that there are people who are very sick and/or can’t afford to buy any insurance even catastrophic. These people (maybe 10% of the people) should be put into a separate category and the govt would have responsibility for their care and leave insurance companies out. Everyone else would be in the private market system.[/QUOTE
Preexisting conditions?
 
I like that in support of a free market healthcare system you cited a socialist, government program. :)

You mean that I agree the govt needs to take care of the poor and unhealthy in our society. Even I have empathy believe it or not. I don't think it is fair that everyone else should get much higher priced insurance and deductibles to pay for the unfortunate in our society. That is the Obamacare solution and doesn't work. Insurance companies will lose so much they will leave the healthcare market like they are doing now.
 
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I favor market driven healthcare allowing competition and a reduction of govt regs to lower costs . I don’t think we have ever had a free market HC system unless it was back in the 50s.

If people were given a tax write off for their HC expenses and/or health insurance, more would buy their own policy, they could keep it when they leave said employer.

Everyone could be given tax free HSAs or HRAs so people would treat their healthcare expenses as they would other expenses. In Indiana, HSAs reduced healthcare costs by 11%. Add high-deductible low cost plans for catastrophic care and we have low cost insurance that protects people from bankruptcy caused by major expenses.

Competition could be introduced into the marketplace in various ways.

We could require pre-service price transparency from hospitals and doctors.

Competive bid systems could be developed across the board.

Of course policies should be sold across state lines.

Medicare Part D is a great example. It requires private insurance plans to submit bids giving the premium they will charge to provide covered drugs. The CBO estimated the cost would be 128B but actual cost came in at $55B and the actual costs have continued to be significantly less than the CBO prediction.

Now I realize that there are people who are very sick and/or can’t afford to buy any insurance even catastrophic. These people (maybe 10% of the people) should be put into a separate category and the govt would have responsibility for their care and leave insurance companies out. Everyone else would be in the private market system.
Test Test. Good, I feared that you had blocked me.
 
I favor market driven healthcare allowing competition and a reduction of govt regs to lower costs . I don’t think we have ever had a free market HC system unless it was back in the 50s.

If people were given a tax write off for their HC expenses and/or health insurance, more would buy their own policy, they could keep it when they leave said employer.

Everyone could be given tax free HSAs or HRAs so people would treat their healthcare expenses as they would other expenses. In Indiana, HSAs reduced healthcare costs by 11%. Add high-deductible low cost plans for catastrophic care and we have low cost insurance that protects people from bankruptcy caused by major expenses.

Competition could be introduced into the marketplace in various ways.

We could require pre-service price transparency from hospitals and doctors.

Competive bid systems could be developed across the board.

Of course policies should be sold across state lines.

Medicare Part D is a great example. It requires private insurance plans to submit bids giving the premium they will charge to provide covered drugs. The CBO estimated the cost would be 128B but actual cost came in at $55B and the actual costs have continued to be significantly less than the CBO prediction.

Now I realize that there are people who are very sick and/or can’t afford to buy any insurance even catastrophic. These people (maybe 10% of the people) should be put into a separate category and the govt would have responsibility for their care and leave insurance companies out. Everyone else would be in the private market system.
Test Test. Good, I feared that you had blocked me.
At first glance, you may be onto something here
 
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You mean that I agree the govt needs to take care of the poor and unhealthy in our society. Even I have empathy believe it or not. I don't think it is fair that everyone else should get much higher priced insurance and deductibles to pay for the unfortunate in our society. That is the Obamacare solution and doesn't work. Insurance companies will lose so much they will leave the healthcare market like they are doing now.
I'm all for market solutions but I'm not sure that healthcare avails itself to it. But it's an interesting idea you have proposed
 
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Some interesting ideas, some have merit, biggest issue will be for seniors as they are uninsurable given the amount of care they require
 
Is that one of those concierge deals? That's definitely a great system for people that are a part of it. The issue is that it really can't be scaled unless we start minting a lot more MDs.


Concierge deals could actually convince more people to go into primary care where we have a shortage of docs. Not having to hire a couple clerks to handle the insurance and/or govt paperwork is a big incentive to actually practice medicine instead of all the paperwork.

The other thing about this guy is how he is able to negotiate very low prices for drugs, even MRIs,etc. He talks on a scale of 600 patients for a doc to make a very good living.

Granted the very expensive end of life healthcare and nursing homes is something this doesnt address.
 
Concierge deals could actually convince more people to go into primary care where we have a shortage of docs. Not having to hire a couple clerks to handle the insurance and/or govt paperwork is a big incentive to actually practice medicine instead of all the paperwork.

The other thing about this guy is how he is able to negotiate very low prices for drugs, even MRIs,etc. He talks on a scale of 600 patients for a doc to make a very good living.

Granted the very expensive end of life healthcare and nursing homes is something this doesnt address.
Definitely some ideas here.

Agree about the issue with primary care. It just doesn't pay as well as specialization. Hard to blame docs who are 300k in debt when they go for more money by specializing.
 
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